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Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

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>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fai54r$qid$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Marco Desloovere wrote:
>>>>>>> Bill Yanaire [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:38:59 -0700] wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for
>>>>>>>> Ubuntu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, remember his post (Message-ID:
>>>>>>> <eeMB2np1HHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>) from August 4th:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> | Subject: It's been fun, folks ...
>>>>>>> | | ... but I'm outta here. After meditating on what Stephen Rose
>>>>>>> said about | spamming, I came to the conclusion that he has a
>>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>> | | So, if anyone is interested in Ubuntu, you can email me, visit
>>>>>>> the | Ubuntu forums or Google.
>>>>>>> | | As I don't have, nor plan to get, Vista, I am unsubscribing
>>>>>>> from this ng.
>>>>>>> | | --
>>>>>>> | Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This proves beyond any doubt that this guy is nothing but a troll
>>>>>>> full
>>>>>>> of lies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marco
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I changed my mind. You never change your mind? If not, perhaps one
>>>>>> could say that you two are "mindless"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes
>>>>>
>>>>> No - you are just dense. You have been told by lots of people that
>>>>> Ubuntu evangalism isn't wanted here. You just keep spewing your
>>>>> marketing hype regarding the TOY OS that nobody exploits! It gets
>>>>> tiresome, day after day, Ubuntu is life....Ubuntu is the wave of the
>>>>> future. It is so far in the future that most of us here will not give
>>>>> a RATS ASS if Ubuntu overtakes Microsoft because we won't be using
>>>>> computers by then!
>>>>
>>>> He's computing equivalent of a Jehovah Witless
>>>> foot in the door merchant who won't take
>>>> "no thanks, I'm not interested" for an answer
>>>> and is quite happy to make other peoples life
>>>> a misery such is his fanaticism, conceit,
>>>> fear and loathing..
>>>>
>>>> He's exactly the same on
>>>> alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren.
>>>
>>> That reminds me of my College days. Our house was down the street from
>>> the Jehova Witless church and they use to come by and bug us each Sunday
>>> morning. We were sleeping in, trying to get over our hangovers and when
>>> they knocked on the door, three of us answered in our robes. When we
>>> saw it was the Witless, we opened our robes. They didn't bother us
>>> again !
>>
>> Actually I was a little mean comparing the Witlesses to Alias.
>>
>> I don't ever recall them threatning violence to those
>> who disagreed and just wanted to get on with their own
>> lives.
>
> I don't think you were mean comparing the Witless to Alias. Not at all.
> You were right on!

I meant mean to the Witlesses.
 
Re: Alias - Correct once

Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in news:MPG.21366c7689110a08989866
@adfree.Usenet.com:

> In article <OANc7vP5HHA.3812@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, bill@yanaire.com
> says...
>> So out of hundreds of posts, he is correct once. Pretty good.
>
> No, his belief is just a belief/opinion. While activation is true, it's
> not calling anyone a thief and it's not limited to MS - even apple asks
> for licensing for their products...

Initial licensing isn't a problem. The issue is that why must you keep
activating, for whatever reason, after you have already done so.

There are numerous post here about it. Seemingly, out of nowhere, you
need to validate your Windows installation again. An SATA driver update
rings a bell. Did you ever read the whitepaper on how WGA scores you
hardware changes and what is suppoed to and not supposed to trigger
activation ?

MS gathers all of this hardware info on your PC, to validate you, then
what, throws it out ? Users that have re-installed a couple times are
refused internet activation because their number is in use ? By them ?
Duh.

It holds onto the information for 3 months apparently, since thats a
magic number for something, but your still using the same hardware, and
Windows installation key, (and most likely using the same ISP) so why
would it not know that this is a valid installation already ?

Flawed.
 
Re: Alias - Correct once

"Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in
news:OANc7vP5HHA.3812@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> So out of hundreds of posts, he is correct once. Pretty good.

Not exactly. Many thing's have been said in many different threads. That
was the only point left in the thread when I replied.

And, one I have a strong enough opinion about to make an effort to reply.
 
The poster formerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'
[Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:19:57 -0500] wrote:

>Marco Desloovere wrote:
>> Leythos [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:31:03 -0400] wrote:
>>
>>> In article <fah9pp$9l6$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>>>>> Nope, Office programs get updates as they are ready, maybe you just
>>>>> don't have your machines configured properly. I see there our machines
>>>>> that have Update function set to download but not install (our choice)
>>>>> have Office, Windows, and other updates ready when we check). All of the
>>>>> workstations update all Windows, Office, Java, and Adobe apps without
>>>>> the user doing anything other than using the computer.
>>>>>
>>>> Bullsh¡t. Save your lies for the newbies. I know differently as do most
>>>> of the readers of this ng.
>>> Guess it just proves you don't have a clue about Windows Update and
>>> Microsoft Update services.
>>
>> Why do you waste your time with that clueless nincompoop?
>>
>> And I totally agree with you, everything is also updated automatically
>> on my Windows Vista, including all the drivers and the things that you
>> already mentioned.
>>
>> Marco
>
>Drivers? From windows update? <shivers at the thought>

Yes, there were three so far (since May 2007), and the message reads:
"This driver was provided by NVIDIA for support of NVIDIA nForce
Networking Controller."

What's so bad about that?

Marco
 
Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

The poster formerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'
[Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:21:37 -0500] wrote:

>Marco Desloovere wrote:
>> Bill Yanaire [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:38:59 -0700] wrote:
>>
>>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.
>>
>> Yeah, remember his post (Message-ID:
>> <eeMB2np1HHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>) from August 4th:
>>
>> | Subject: It's been fun, folks ...
>> |
>> | ... but I'm outta here. After meditating on what Stephen Rose said about
>> | spamming, I came to the conclusion that he has a point.
>> |
>> | So, if anyone is interested in Ubuntu, you can email me, visit the
>> | Ubuntu forums or Google.
>> |
>> | As I don't have, nor plan to get, Vista, I am unsubscribing from this ng.
>> |
>> | --
>> | Alias
>>
>> This proves beyond any doubt that this guy is nothing but a troll full
>> of lies.
>>
>> Marco
>
>Hypocrite!

Yeah, I guess he's still a kid in puberty with the young hormones ("My
OS is bigger and better than your OS ... ha-hah") doing weird things to
his developing mind...

Marco
 
The poster formerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'
[Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:18:57 -0500] wrote:

>If it's fixed, it's not a problem if you update. If it's not a patched
>vulnerability, you are stuck with the problem weather you like it or
>not. MS has unpatched vulnerabilities in their OSes (Vista and XP). If
>Ubuntu has all of it's known vulnerabilites patched (at least all the
>ones on that page are), I would much prefer to run Ubuntu from a
>security standpoint.

Could you show me an example of an unpatched security vulnerability in
Windows Vista?

I had a look on http://www.securityfocus.com/bid and searched for
Windows Vista Home Premium and got this: "No matching vulnerabilities
found".

Marco
 
Re: Alias - Correct once

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:03:29 -0500, DanS wrote:

> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in news:MPG.21366c7689110a08989866
> @adfree.Usenet.com:
>
>> In article <OANc7vP5HHA.3812@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, bill@yanaire.com
>> says...
>>> So out of hundreds of posts, he is correct once. Pretty good.
>>
>> No, his belief is just a belief/opinion. While activation is true, it's
>> not calling anyone a thief and it's not limited to MS - even apple asks
>> for licensing for their products...
>
> Initial licensing isn't a problem. The issue is that why must you keep
> activating, for whatever reason, after you have already done so.
>
> There are numerous post here about it. Seemingly, out of nowhere, you
> need to validate your Windows installation again. An SATA driver update
> rings a bell. Did you ever read the whitepaper on how WGA scores you
> hardware changes and what is suppoed to and not supposed to trigger
> activation ?
>
> MS gathers all of this hardware info on your PC, to validate you, then
> what, throws it out ? Users that have re-installed a couple times are
> refused internet activation because their number is in use ? By them ?
> Duh.
>
> It holds onto the information for 3 months apparently, since thats a
> magic number for something, but your still using the same hardware, and
> Windows installation key, (and most likely using the same ISP) so why
> would it not know that this is a valid installation already ?
>
> Flawed.

What I find precious is this. Here I am sitting in front of my computer,
reading these very posts about MS' activation. And in this very same
moment, an instant messenger window pops up.

Kermos would be me, Ben the friend of mine who IM'ed me. I'll let the log
do the talking...

(12:14:15 AM) Ben: Yo :)

(12:14:26 AM) Kermos: yo

(12:14:28 AM) Kermos: what's up>

(12:14:30 AM) Kermos: ?

(12:14:36 AM) Ben: So you'll like this

(12:14:48 AM) Kermos: is it female, japanese
& horny?

(12:14:51 AM) Ben: The other day I went home and tried to log into
windows, and couldn't get in.

(12:15:07 AM) Ben: You were right, it finally said my trial
period had ended and i needed to re-activate windows to keep using it :P

(12:15:09 AM) Ben: LOL

(12:15:12 AM) Ben: we both wish :P

(12:15:16 AM) Kermos: ROFL.....

(12:15:18 AM) Kermos: nice one :)

(12:15:40 AM) Ben: So those warnings i had been getting with windows has
deactivated were ACTUALLY real deactivations, not just some bug

(12:16:04 AM) Ben: it turns out it was my video card, or ram, or power
supply (or some combination of all three) getting upgraded that caused
windows to deactivate

(12:16:30 AM) Kermos: :)

(12:16:40 AM) Kermos: So did you call india?

(12:16:44 AM) Ben: but COME ON, they are being uber paranoid about the
hardware now if they are deactivating windows from just a video card
upgrade :P

(12:16:45 AM) Ben: yeah

(12:16:49 AM) Ben: at first they pissed me off

(12:17:11 AM) Ben: told me to call my retailer since it was an OEM copy of
Vista :P

(12:17:15 AM) Ben: that sent me into a rage

(12:17:15 AM) Ben: lol

(12:17:33 AM) Kermos: hahahahaha

(12:18:14 AM) Ben: But then i calmed down and went home, got the stupid
prompt up again and called them during business hours (the first time i
called at like 8pm at night and they said they were closed AFTER they had
me on hold for five or so minutes). When i spoke with someone that time,
he told me my windows would deactivate from even just the video card being
replaced

(12:18:19 AM) Ben: utter BS if you ask me. oh well

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Re: Alias - Correct once

In article <Xns9994B8BE26F73thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142>,
t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t says...
> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in news:MPG.21366c7689110a08989866
> @adfree.Usenet.com:
>
> > In article <OANc7vP5HHA.3812@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, bill@yanaire.com
> > says...
> >> So out of hundreds of posts, he is correct once. Pretty good.
> >
> > No, his belief is just a belief/opinion. While activation is true, it's
> > not calling anyone a thief and it's not limited to MS - even apple asks
> > for licensing for their products...
>
> Initial licensing isn't a problem. The issue is that why must you keep
> activating, for whatever reason, after you have already done so.
>
> There are numerous post here about it. Seemingly, out of nowhere, you
> need to validate your Windows installation again. An SATA driver update
> rings a bell. Did you ever read the whitepaper on how WGA scores you
> hardware changes and what is suppoed to and not supposed to trigger
> activation ?

Actually, if you understand how the activation is keyed, you would
understand that it's not MS asking you to prove you are not a thief,
it's you making changes to the Hash that was used to validate the
license you used.

> MS gathers all of this hardware info on your PC, to validate you, then
> what, throws it out ? Users that have re-installed a couple times are
> refused internet activation because their number is in use ? By them ?
> Duh.

Duh, MS creates a hash based on hardware in your system - if you change
that, significantly, you change the license hash and trigger a
reactivation - not normally an issue for the masses.

Actually, if the key has been registered with the same hash you can
reactivate many times, I've personally done this many times. The problem
comes when you change hardware and reactivate, it was your choice.

> It holds onto the information for 3 months apparently, since thats a
> magic number for something, but your still using the same hardware, and
> Windows installation key, (and most likely using the same ISP) so why
> would it not know that this is a valid installation already ?
>
> Flawed.

It's better than other methods and works well to stop casual piracy,
but, for those with a valid key, activation is easy and simple, just a
couple minutes on the phone in worst case.

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Re: Alias - Correct once

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:39:03 -0400, Leythos wrote:

> In article <Xns9994B8BE26F73thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142>,
> t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t says...
>> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in news:MPG.21366c7689110a08989866
>> @adfree.Usenet.com:
>>
>> > In article <OANc7vP5HHA.3812@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, bill@yanaire.com
>> > says...
>> >> So out of hundreds of posts, he is correct once. Pretty good.
>> >
>> > No, his belief is just a belief/opinion. While activation is true, it's
>> > not calling anyone a thief and it's not limited to MS - even apple asks
>> > for licensing for their products...
>>
>> Initial licensing isn't a problem. The issue is that why must you keep
>> activating, for whatever reason, after you have already done so.
>>
>> There are numerous post here about it. Seemingly, out of nowhere, you
>> need to validate your Windows installation again. An SATA driver update
>> rings a bell. Did you ever read the whitepaper on how WGA scores you
>> hardware changes and what is suppoed to and not supposed to trigger
>> activation ?
>
> Actually, if you understand how the activation is keyed, you would
> understand that it's not MS asking you to prove you are not a thief,
> it's you making changes to the Hash that was used to validate the
> license you used.
>
>> MS gathers all of this hardware info on your PC, to validate you, then
>> what, throws it out ? Users that have re-installed a couple times are
>> refused internet activation because their number is in use ? By them ?
>> Duh.
>
> Duh, MS creates a hash based on hardware in your system - if you change
> that, significantly, you change the license hash and trigger a
> reactivation - not normally an issue for the masses.
>
> Actually, if the key has been registered with the same hash you can
> reactivate many times, I've personally done this many times. The problem
> comes when you change hardware and reactivate, it was your choice.
>
>> It holds onto the information for 3 months apparently, since thats a
>> magic number for something, but your still using the same hardware, and
>> Windows installation key, (and most likely using the same ISP) so why
>> would it not know that this is a valid installation already ?
>>
>> Flawed.
>
> It's better than other methods and works well to stop casual piracy,
> but, for those with a valid key, activation is easy and simple, just a
> couple minutes on the phone in worst case.
>

To me it honestly is an issue of privacy.

I bought the product.
I paid for it.
That should be enough.

What *right* does the manufacturer have to demand from me I tell them what
I do with it? On what hardware I install it? When I change the hardware?
How I change the hardware?

How is any of that *any* of Microsoft's business?

Don't point me at the EULA...in my opinion, they are granting themselves
way too much power via the EULA, quite a bit of which I find very
questionable...

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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:15:43 +0200, Marco Desloovere wrote:

> The poster formerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'
> [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:18:57 -0500] wrote:
>
>>If it's fixed, it's not a problem if you update. If it's not a patched
>>vulnerability, you are stuck with the problem weather you like it or
>>not. MS has unpatched vulnerabilities in their OSes (Vista and XP). If
>>Ubuntu has all of it's known vulnerabilites patched (at least all the
>>ones on that page are), I would much prefer to run Ubuntu from a
>>security standpoint.
>
> Could you show me an example of an unpatched security vulnerability in
> Windows Vista?
>
> I had a look on http://www.securityfocus.com/bid and searched for
> Windows Vista Home Premium and got this: "No matching vulnerabilities
> found".
>

Just because a 3rd party website is not aware of any does not mean there
aren't (or are) any. When I was giving Vista a Trial I received security
updates via windows update so there obviously were some...but yet that
site shows none...

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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:02:04 +0200, Marco Desloovere wrote:

> Kerry Brown [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:18:09 -0700] wrote:
>
>>In my opinion your post is off topic and was crafted to cause a controversy.
>>This sure seems like trolling to me. The best trolls use the truth as a
>>basis for their posts. They are still trolls and more interested in
>>generating controversy than actually helping anyone.
>
> Many people in this world cause controversy, but are not necessarily
> trolls. Galileo Galilei created quite a stir with his then controversial
> claim that the earth is revolving around the sun.
>
> I did not invent the information contained in the link of my OP.
>
> The point I'm making is to show that *all* operating systems are liable
> to contain security vulnerabilities.

And the point that everyone else is making that apparently zooms way above
your head is that other than you, nobody really cares. We are all aware of
that. =)

Well ok, a few zealots might not be. But then again, zealots (regardless of
OS) will never see beyond or believe what they don't want. So you aren't
going to convince them of anything.

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Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

Marco Desloovere wrote:
> The poster formerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'
> [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:21:37 -0500] wrote:
>
>> Marco Desloovere wrote:
>>> Bill Yanaire [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:38:59 -0700] wrote:
>>>
>>>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.
>>> Yeah, remember his post (Message-ID:
>>> <eeMB2np1HHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>) from August 4th:
>>>
>>> | Subject: It's been fun, folks ...
>>> |
>>> | ... but I'm outta here. After meditating on what Stephen Rose said about
>>> | spamming, I came to the conclusion that he has a point.
>>> |
>>> | So, if anyone is interested in Ubuntu, you can email me, visit the
>>> | Ubuntu forums or Google.
>>> |
>>> | As I don't have, nor plan to get, Vista, I am unsubscribing from this ng.
>>> |
>>> | --
>>> | Alias
>>>
>>> This proves beyond any doubt that this guy is nothing but a troll full
>>> of lies.
>>>
>>> Marco
>> Hypocrite!
>
> Yeah, I guess he's still a kid in puberty with the young hormones ("My
> OS is bigger and better than your OS ... ha-hah") doing weird things to
> his developing mind...
>
> Marco

I was talking about you, not him.

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Marco Desloovere wrote:
> The poster formerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'
> [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:19:57 -0500] wrote:
>
>> Marco Desloovere wrote:
>>> Leythos [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:31:03 -0400] wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <fah9pp$9l6$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>>>>>> Nope, Office programs get updates as they are ready, maybe you just
>>>>>> don't have your machines configured properly. I see there our machines
>>>>>> that have Update function set to download but not install (our choice)
>>>>>> have Office, Windows, and other updates ready when we check). All of the
>>>>>> workstations update all Windows, Office, Java, and Adobe apps without
>>>>>> the user doing anything other than using the computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Bullsh¡t. Save your lies for the newbies. I know differently as do most
>>>>> of the readers of this ng.
>>>> Guess it just proves you don't have a clue about Windows Update and
>>>> Microsoft Update services.
>>> Why do you waste your time with that clueless nincompoop?
>>>
>>> And I totally agree with you, everything is also updated automatically
>>> on my Windows Vista, including all the drivers and the things that you
>>> already mentioned.
>>>
>>> Marco
>> Drivers? From windows update? <shivers at the thought>
>
> Yes, there were three so far (since May 2007), and the message reads:
> "This driver was provided by NVIDIA for support of NVIDIA nForce
> Networking Controller."
>
> What's so bad about that?
>
> Marco

If you have better luck than I, then that's great. But it's burned me
too many times to trust driver updates from windows update.

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Marco Desloovere wrote:
> The poster formerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'
> [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:19:57 -0500] wrote:
>
>> Marco Desloovere wrote:
>>> Leythos [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:31:03 -0400] wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <fah9pp$9l6$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>>>>>> Nope, Office programs get updates as they are ready, maybe you just
>>>>>> don't have your machines configured properly. I see there our machines
>>>>>> that have Update function set to download but not install (our choice)
>>>>>> have Office, Windows, and other updates ready when we check). All of the
>>>>>> workstations update all Windows, Office, Java, and Adobe apps without
>>>>>> the user doing anything other than using the computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Bullsh¡t. Save your lies for the newbies. I know differently as do most
>>>>> of the readers of this ng.
>>>> Guess it just proves you don't have a clue about Windows Update and
>>>> Microsoft Update services.
>>> Why do you waste your time with that clueless nincompoop?
>>>
>>> And I totally agree with you, everything is also updated automatically
>>> on my Windows Vista, including all the drivers and the things that you
>>> already mentioned.
>>>
>>> Marco
>> Drivers? From windows update? <shivers at the thought>
>
> Yes, there were three so far (since May 2007), and the message reads:
> "This driver was provided by NVIDIA for support of NVIDIA nForce
> Networking Controller."
>
> What's so bad about that?
>
> Marco

Look at the date it was provided and then compare it to the date on the
latest driver on the nVidia web site.

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Marco Desloovere wrote:
> The poster formerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'
> [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:18:57 -0500] wrote:
>
>> If it's fixed, it's not a problem if you update. If it's not a patched
>> vulnerability, you are stuck with the problem weather you like it or
>> not. MS has unpatched vulnerabilities in their OSes (Vista and XP). If
>> Ubuntu has all of it's known vulnerabilites patched (at least all the
>> ones on that page are), I would much prefer to run Ubuntu from a
>> security standpoint.
>
> Could you show me an example of an unpatched security vulnerability in
> Windows Vista?
>
> I had a look on http://www.securityfocus.com/bid and searched for
> Windows Vista Home Premium and got this: "No matching vulnerabilities
> found".
>
> Marco

Try searching for vendor MS and title vista, then hit search.

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <fahorb$no0$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>> Not a lie. Are you telling me that out of the blue, without using or
>> going to the Java console, that you are informed of an update? Where
>> does this message appear, in the sys tray?
>
> Yes, for all of this year. I loaded the version from Sun onto my
> systems, and it has a java update service that runs on startup and
> alerts when there are updates. If you were running Windows XP with a
> newer installation of Java you would have the same - in fact, you have
> to disable it if you don't want it.
>
> I'll wait for your next fit of wisdom.
>

I guess my taking it out of the start up is why. I like to run a machine
with as little starting up as possible. So, I will concede this but many
other programs need to be opened before they will inform you of updates
like Firefox. And many others need for you to check for updates after
opening it. Ubuntu, OTOH, needs none of this and would make for a much
securer Internet if your average computer user (who rarely updates
anything) would use Ubuntu.

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dennis@home wrote:
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fahorb$no0$1@aioe.org...
>
>> Not a lie. Are you telling me that out of the blue, without using or
>> going to the Java console, that you are informed of an update? Where
>> does this message appear, in the sys tray?
>>
>
> In a pop up in the sys tray.
> If yours doesn't and you have not disabled it then it is broken.

I've taken it out of the start up as I don't like programs running in
the background that I am not using.

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dennis@home wrote:
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fahdlt$m0n$2@aioe.org...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <fah9pp$9l6$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>>>>> Nope, Office programs get updates as they are ready, maybe you just
>>>>> don't have your machines configured properly. I see there our
>>>>> machines that have Update function set to download but not install
>>>>> (our choice) have Office, Windows, and other updates ready when we
>>>>> check). All of the workstations update all Windows, Office, Java,
>>>>> and Adobe apps without the user doing anything other than using the
>>>>> computer.
>>>> Bullsh¡t. Save your lies for the newbies. I know differently as do
>>>> most of the readers of this ng.
>>>
>>> Guess it just proves you don't have a clue about Windows Update and
>>> Microsoft Update services.
>>>
>>
>> I was talking about programs that are not covered by Windows or
>> Microsoft Updates, of course!
>>
>
> There are plenty of programs that you can install on Ubuntu that will
> not be updated automatically.. just as there are for windows.
> It is not an issue with either OS.

Not true. Ubuntu updates everything on your computer.

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Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

Vista User wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fai54r$qid$1@aioe.org...
>> Marco Desloovere wrote:
>>> Bill Yanaire [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:38:59 -0700] wrote:
>>>
>>>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.
>>> Yeah, remember his post (Message-ID:
>>> <eeMB2np1HHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>) from August 4th:
>>>
>>> | Subject: It's been fun, folks ...
>>> | | ... but I'm outta here. After meditating on what Stephen Rose said
>>> about | spamming, I came to the conclusion that he has a point.
>>> | | So, if anyone is interested in Ubuntu, you can email me, visit the
>>> | Ubuntu forums or Google.
>>> | | As I don't have, nor plan to get, Vista, I am unsubscribing from
>>> this ng.
>>> | | --
>>> | Alias
>>>
>>> This proves beyond any doubt that this guy is nothing but a troll full
>>> of lies.
>>>
>>> Marco
>> I changed my mind. You never change your mind? If not, perhaps one could
>> say that you two are "mindless"?
>>
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>
> Coming back to troll this group just shows how sick you are. You just can't
> help yourself.
> Get yourself some mental help you need it.
>
>

Ah, the trusty insult. You're the troll.

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Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

Bill Yanaire wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fai54r$qid$1@aioe.org...
>> Marco Desloovere wrote:
>>> Bill Yanaire [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:38:59 -0700] wrote:
>>>
>>>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.
>>> Yeah, remember his post (Message-ID:
>>> <eeMB2np1HHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>) from August 4th:
>>>
>>> | Subject: It's been fun, folks ...
>>> | | ... but I'm outta here. After meditating on what Stephen Rose said
>>> about | spamming, I came to the conclusion that he has a point.
>>> | | So, if anyone is interested in Ubuntu, you can email me, visit the
>>> | Ubuntu forums or Google.
>>> | | As I don't have, nor plan to get, Vista, I am unsubscribing from
>>> this ng.
>>> | | --
>>> | Alias
>>>
>>> This proves beyond any doubt that this guy is nothing but a troll full
>>> of lies.
>>>
>>> Marco
>> I changed my mind. You never change your mind? If not, perhaps one could
>> say that you two are "mindless"?
>>
>> --
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>> To email me, remove shoes
>
> No - you are just dense. You have been told by lots of people that Ubuntu
> evangalism isn't wanted here.

Only by the likes of Julian, Frank and you. I'm not impressed, sorry.

> You just keep spewing your marketing hype
> regarding the TOY OS that nobody exploits! It gets tiresome, day after day,
> Ubuntu is life....Ubuntu is the wave of the future. It is so far in the
> future that most of us here will not give a RATS ASS if Ubuntu overtakes
> Microsoft because we won't be using computers by then!
>
> Go take another vacation.
>
>

If you're not interested in my posts, please learn how to use your
newsreader's filters and don't read them.

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