Ubuntu security vulnerabilities

[Alias]

Leythos wrote:
> In article <Ovcm8SM5HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,
> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <fahdlt$m0n$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article <fah9pp$9l6$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>>>>>>> Nope, Office programs get updates as they are ready, maybe you just
>>>>>>> don't have your machines configured properly. I see there our machines
>>>>>>> that have Update function set to download but not install (our choice)
>>>>>>> have Office, Windows, and other updates ready when we check). All of the
>>>>>>> workstations update all Windows, Office, Java, and Adobe apps without
>>>>>>> the user doing anything other than using the computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullsh¡t. Save your lies for the newbies. I know differently as do most
>>>>>> of the readers of this ng.
>>>>> Guess it just proves you don't have a clue about Windows Update and
>>>>> Microsoft Update services.
>>>>>
>>>> I was talking about programs that are not covered by Windows or
>>>> Microsoft Updates, of course!
>>> Still clueless - all of the programs you've mentioned provide automatic
>>> updates and downloads unless you disable that function.
>>>
>> False (again). I just opened Spybot and no notification. I had to
>> *check* for updates and there were some. Same for Ad Aware. Same for
>> Spywareblaster or Spywareguard. Same for Java. Same for Adobe Reader.
>> Same for Flash. Same for *most* programs. The hardware manufacturer's
>> *never* tell you if there's an update for your video card, BIOS, audio
>> card, etc.
>
> If you notice, I didn't say anything about SpyBot, or spywareblaster or
> spywareguard - they are not needed and don't get used on my systems.
>
> As for Java it loads an updater unless you disable it - so, it will
> check for updates - yours must be very old and exploitable if you don't
> have the versions that auto-update.
>
> As for Adobe, flash, and most other programs, UNLESS YOU DISABLE THE
> UPDATE CHECK FUNCTION, they will check for updates on their own, no
> manual click needed. Now, you might be running a very old version that
> doesn't update or check, but that means you're not current and that you
> still don't know what you're talking about.
>
> As for hardware/BIOS/Audio - seems strange that you bring that up, they
> also don't tell you there are updates for Linux, the community has to
> make them available for inclusion in your "automatic" update that you
> claim is automatic.
>

Keep telling yourself your lies because you're the ONLY one who believes
them.

--
Alias
To email me, remove shoes

 

[Alias]

Leythos wrote:
> In article <Ovcm8SM5HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,
> iamalias@shoesgmail.com. says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <fahdlt$m0n$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article <fah9pp$9l6$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>>>>>>> Nope, Office programs get updates as they are ready, maybe you just
>>>>>>> don't have your machines configured properly. I see there our machines
>>>>>>> that have Update function set to download but not install (our choice)
>>>>>>> have Office, Windows, and other updates ready when we check). All of the
>>>>>>> workstations update all Windows, Office, Java, and Adobe apps without
>>>>>>> the user doing anything other than using the computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bullsh¡t. Save your lies for the newbies. I know differently as do most
>>>>>> of the readers of this ng.
>>>>> Guess it just proves you don't have a clue about Windows Update and
>>>>> Microsoft Update services.
>>>>>
>>>> I was talking about programs that are not covered by Windows or
>>>> Microsoft Updates, of course!
>>> Still clueless - all of the programs you've mentioned provide automatic
>>> updates and downloads unless you disable that function.
>>>
>> False (again). I just opened Spybot and no notification. I had to
>> *check* for updates and there were some. Same for Ad Aware. Same for
>> Spywareblaster or Spywareguard. Same for Java. Same for Adobe Reader.
>> Same for Flash. Same for *most* programs. The hardware manufacturer's
>> *never* tell you if there's an update for your video card, BIOS, audio
>> card, etc.
>
> If you notice, I didn't say anything about SpyBot, or spywareblaster or
> spywareguard - they are not needed and don't get used on my systems.

A lot of people use them.

>
> As for Java it loads an updater unless you disable it - so, it will
> check for updates - yours must be very old and exploitable if you don't
> have the versions that auto-update.

I have the latest version and one has to check for updates.
>
> As for Adobe, flash, and most other programs, UNLESS YOU DISABLE THE
> UPDATE CHECK FUNCTION, they will check for updates on their own, no
> manual click needed.

False.

> Now, you might be running a very old version that
> doesn't update or check, but that means you're not current and that you
> still don't know what you're talking about.

I have the latest versions.

>
> As for hardware/BIOS/Audio - seems strange that you bring that up, they
> also don't tell you there are updates for Linux, the community has to
> make them available for inclusion in your "automatic" update that you
> claim is automatic.

So you get them automatically. With Windows you don't.

Game, set, match.

--
Alias
To email me, remove shoes

 

[Leythos]

In article <fahjat$8jq$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
> > As for Java it loads an updater unless you disable it - so, it will
> > check for updates - yours must be very old and exploitable if you don't
> > have the versions that auto-update.
>
> I have the latest version and one has to check for updates.

Then you disabled the automatic update function.

> > As for Adobe, flash, and most other programs, UNLESS YOU DISABLE THE
> > UPDATE CHECK FUNCTION, they will check for updates on their own, no
> > manual click needed.
>
> False.

Nope, you just appear to have disabled it or lied again.

> > Now, you might be running a very old version that
> > doesn't update or check, but that means you're not current and that you
> > still don't know what you're talking about.
>
> I have the latest versions.

Then you also have the update function that was included, so did you
disable it or are you telling lies again?

> > As for hardware/BIOS/Audio - seems strange that you bring that up, they
> > also don't tell you there are updates for Linux, the community has to
> > make them available for inclusion in your "automatic" update that you
> > claim is automatic.
>
> So you get them automatically. With Windows you don't.

Wrong, you only get them if a member of the community collects them. The
vendors don't make them "automatically" available though the different
update services....

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:
> Frank blustered and his face turned red as he pounded with one finger on
> his keyboard and wrote:
>
>> So you came back to ng to spread more of your insidious lies huh?
>> Well, you'll not get by with doing it again!
>> Liar!
>> Frank
>
>
> I see you're still the buffoon you've always been.

Get real!
You're a known liar.
You come back here to spread more lies about linux and Vista, in this
Windows Vista ng...you don't have, nor, according to your own admission,
can't afford to purchase Vista...so you slam everything MS.
Now who's the fukkin buffoon...you jackass loser!
Frank

 

[Adam Albright]

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:10:48 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>Alias wrote:
>> Frank blustered and his face turned red as he pounded with one finger on
>> his keyboard and wrote:
>>
>>> So you came back to ng to spread more of your insidious lies huh?
>>> Well, you'll not get by with doing it again!
>>> Liar!
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> I see you're still the buffoon you've always been.
>
>Get real!
>You're a known liar.

When you going to tell us how much Microsoft pays you to be their
shill in this newsgroup?

 

[Bill Yanaire]

Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.


"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
news:fah9tu$9l6$3@aioe.org...
> Marco Desloovere wrote:
>> Frank [Tue, 21 Aug 2007 19:55:18 -0700] wrote:
>>
>>> Marco Desloovere wrote:
>>>> Would you really trust a product riddled with so many security
>>>> vulnerabilities?
>>>> How many Ubuntu vulnerabilities have not yet been discovered?
>>>>
>>>> Beware, not for the faint of heart, this list is huge:
>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn
>>>>
>>>> Marco
>>>
>>> Uhhh...hold on one second...I see no need whatsoever to install any of
>>> those "security updates'...seeing as how we've all been brainwashed into
>>> believing that ubuntu is 100% bullet proof secure and needs no security
>>> at all...it's safe that way out of the box, right?
>>> Or did we get lied to?
>>> Frank
>>
>> It just goes to show that there are no perfect operating systems, simply
>> because there are no perfect human beings to create them.
>>
>> Marco
>
> Fact: Windows is more prone to exploits than Linux.
>
> Fact: No Linux boxes form a part of herd bots. Millions of Windows boxes
> do and that's why we get so much spam.
>
> Your promoting Windows does a big disservice to the Internet community and
> you should be ashamed of yourself.
> --
> Alias
> To email me, remove shoes

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The poster formerly]

Leythos wrote:
> In article <faft25$hbt$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>> I get a little icon on the upper panel telling me there are updates.
>> Don't have to check every single program I have installed to know if
>> there is one or not which is one of many reasons that Ubuntu is more
>> user friendly than Windows.
>
> All of the programs provided by MS get updates without me having to do
> anything... Windows XP, Office 2003/2007... Server 2003....
>
> My systems update as reliably as the last one I had running Ubuntu...
>

Yeah, which means they can install anything they want on there like DRM,
WGA/N, WPA, and spontaneously reboot your machine even if that is
incredibly disruptive to you. <dripping sarcasm>How lucky you
are.</dripping sarcasm>

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Only religious fanatics and totalitarian states equate morality with
legality."
- Linus Torvalds

 

[Frank]

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:10:48 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:
>
>
>>Alias wrote:
>>
>>>Frank blustered and his face turned red as he pounded with one finger on
>>>his keyboard and wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>So you came back to ng to spread more of your insidious lies huh?
>>>>Well, you'll not get by with doing it again!
>>>>Liar!
>>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>I see you're still the buffoon you've always been.
>>
>>Get real!
>>You're a known liar.
>
>
> When you going to tell us how much Microsoft pays you to be their
> shill in this newsgroup?
>

Sorry pal, but you're the one who has admitted to being a paid
accountant liar for a group of blood sucking attorneys.
So go screw yourself or one of your vid buddies you moron!
Frank

 

[Alias]

Leythos wrote:
> In article <fahjat$8jq$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>>> As for Java it loads an updater unless you disable it - so, it will
>>> check for updates - yours must be very old and exploitable if you don't
>>> have the versions that auto-update.
>> I have the latest version and one has to check for updates.
>
> Then you disabled the automatic update function.
>
>>> As for Adobe, flash, and most other programs, UNLESS YOU DISABLE THE
>>> UPDATE CHECK FUNCTION, they will check for updates on their own, no
>>> manual click needed.
>> False.
>
> Nope, you just appear to have disabled it or lied again.

Not disabled and, without opening the Java console neither you nor I
will be informed of any updates.

>
>>> Now, you might be running a very old version that
>>> doesn't update or check, but that means you're not current and that you
>>> still don't know what you're talking about.
>> I have the latest versions.
>
> Then you also have the update function that was included, so did you
> disable it or are you telling lies again?

Again, without going to the Flash program, no auto updates.

>
>>> As for hardware/BIOS/Audio - seems strange that you bring that up, they
>>> also don't tell you there are updates for Linux, the community has to
>>> make them available for inclusion in your "automatic" update that you
>>> claim is automatic.
>> So you get them automatically. With Windows you don't.
>
> Wrong, you only get them if a member of the community collects them. The
> vendors don't make them "automatically" available though the different
> update services....
>

Nonetheless, one gets them automatically, regardless of where they come
from.

--
Alias
To email me, remove shoes

 

[Alias]

Adam Albright wrote:
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:10:48 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Frank blustered and his face turned red as he pounded with one finger on
>>> his keyboard and wrote:
>>>
>>>> So you came back to ng to spread more of your insidious lies huh?
>>>> Well, you'll not get by with doing it again!
>>>> Liar!
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>> I see you're still the buffoon you've always been.
>> Get real!
>> You're a known liar.
>
> When you going to tell us how much Microsoft pays you to be their
> shill in this newsgroup?
>

In all fairness, Adam, who would pay Frank to do anything? All Frank has
is insults. He reminds me of Archie Bunker.

--
Alias
To email me, remove shoes

 

[Alias]

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

Bill Yanaire wrote:

> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

It's not marketing it's offering a viable solution to Window's virus
and malware prone OS. Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require
that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through
Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.

--
Alias
To email me, remove shoes

 

[Leythos]

In article <fahnjr$kjk$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
> > Wrong, you only get them if a member of the community collects them. The
> > vendors don't make them "automatically" available though the different
> > update services....
> >
>
> Nonetheless, one gets them automatically, regardless of where they come
> from.

Which is you saying that because some user somewhere pushed out updates
from vendors to an approved distribution point, that you get updates.

Seems to me that it leaves a LOT of chance to it - considering that BIOS
Updates and Firmware Updates are always questionable and can render a
system non-operational - I would rather manually do those types of
updates.

Still telling lies about java I see...

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Leythos]

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

In article <fahns7$lhv$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>
> > After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.
>
> It's not marketing it's offering a viable solution to Window's virus
> and malware prone OS. Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require
> that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through
> Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.

And with Ubuntu being available for only a short time we've seen
documented cases, in the public, of Ubuntu systems being compromised
too.

I've been a user of about Every OS on the market since the 70's and
never been compromised, not once, and that includes all of my Windows
based computers - so, if following the directions were done on Windows
machines we would not have near the compromised machines there are -
same is true with Ubuntu.

Your anit-MS hate spew does not prove or help your case appear to be
valid.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Alias]

Leythos wrote:
> In article <fahnjr$kjk$2@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>>> Wrong, you only get them if a member of the community collects them. The
>>> vendors don't make them "automatically" available though the different
>>> update services....
>>>
>> Nonetheless, one gets them automatically, regardless of where they come
>> from.
>
> Which is you saying that because some user somewhere pushed out updates
> from vendors to an approved distribution point, that you get updates.
>
> Seems to me that it leaves a LOT of chance to it - considering that BIOS
> Updates and Firmware Updates are always questionable and can render a
> system non-operational - I would rather manually do those types of
> updates.

I've never gotten a BIOS update from Ubuntu's auto update and won't ever
get one.

>
> Still telling lies about java I see...

Not a lie. Are you telling me that out of the blue, without using or
going to the Java console, that you are informed of an update? Where
does this message appear, in the sys tray?

--
Alias
To email me, remove shoes

 

[Alias]

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

Leythos wrote:
> In article <fahns7$lhv$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>
>>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.
>> It's not marketing it's offering a viable solution to Window's virus
>> and malware prone OS. Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require
>> that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through
>> Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.
>
> And with Ubuntu being available for only a short time we've seen
> documented cases, in the public, of Ubuntu systems being compromised
> too.

Proof please. You have none.

>
> I've been a user of about Every OS on the market since the 70's and
> never been compromised, not once, and that includes all of my Windows
> based computers - so, if following the directions were done on Windows
> machines we would not have near the compromised machines there are -
> same is true with Ubuntu.
>
> Your anit-MS hate spew does not prove or help your case appear to be
> valid.
>

You are a techie. Your average Windows user is probably a part of a
large herd bot and you know it. The facts are that Linux isn't nearly as
vulnerable as Windows and you know that too.

--
Alias
To email me, remove shoes

 

[Frank]

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

Alias wrote:
> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>
>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.
>
>
> It's not marketing it's offering a viable solution to Window's virus
> and malware prone OS. Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require
> that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through
> Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.
>

You condescending lying piece of crap! You're jealous of all of us who
can afford to purchase Vista. You're a failed business person and you're
broke and can't afford to purchase Vista! Admit it! Step up to the plate
of truth like a real man instead of hiding behind your phony no-name bs
ubuntu toy os.
You're really one weak little boy.
Loser!
Frank

 

[Marco Desloovere]

Kerry Brown [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:18:09 -0700] wrote:

>In my opinion your post is off topic and was crafted to cause a controversy.
>This sure seems like trolling to me. The best trolls use the truth as a
>basis for their posts. They are still trolls and more interested in
>generating controversy than actually helping anyone.

Many people in this world cause controversy, but are not necessarily
trolls. Galileo Galilei created quite a stir with his then controversial
claim that the earth is revolving around the sun.

I did not invent the information contained in the link of my OP.

The point I'm making is to show that *all* operating systems are liable
to contain security vulnerabilities.

Marco

 

[Marco Desloovere]

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

Bill Yanaire [Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:38:59 -0700] wrote:

>After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.

Yeah, remember his post (Message-ID:
<eeMB2np1HHA.4004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>) from August 4th:

| Subject: It's been fun, folks ...
|
| ... but I'm outta here. After meditating on what Stephen Rose said about
| spamming, I came to the conclusion that he has a point.
|
| So, if anyone is interested in Ubuntu, you can email me, visit the
| Ubuntu forums or Google.
|
| As I don't have, nor plan to get, Vista, I am unsubscribing from this ng.
|
| --
| Alias

This proves beyond any doubt that this guy is nothing but a troll full
of lies.

Marco

 

[Leythos]

In article <fahorb$no0$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
> Not a lie. Are you telling me that out of the blue, without using or
> going to the Java console, that you are informed of an update? Where
> does this message appear, in the sys tray?

Yes, for all of this year. I loaded the version from Sun onto my
systems, and it has a java update service that runs on startup and
alerts when there are updates. If you were running Windows XP with a
newer installation of Java you would have the same - in fact, you have
to disable it if you don't want it.

I'll wait for your next fit of wisdom.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Leythos]

Re: Alias - The Ubuntu Marketing Department back in full swing

In article <fahovb$oit$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <fahns7$lhv$1@aioe.org>, iamalias@shoesgmail.com says...
> >> Bill Yanaire wrote:
> >>
> >>> After a two week vacation, Alias has come back to marketing for Ubuntu.
> >> It's not marketing it's offering a viable solution to Window's virus
> >> and malware prone OS. Not only that, it's an OS that doesn't require
> >> that you constantly prove to Redmond that you're not a thief through
> >> Redmond's ineffective and flawed anti piracy programs.
> >
> > And with Ubuntu being available for only a short time we've seen
> > documented cases, in the public, of Ubuntu systems being compromised
> > too.
>
> Proof please. You have none.

Yes, there is proof, you've just ignored it - search for Ubuntu on the
security groups or this one - there is an entire thread or two on how
Ubuntu systems were compromised the same way that many Windows systems
are compromised.

Maybe you need to do research instead of making yourself look more
foolish by claiming something you don't know or don't want to believe.

> > I've been a user of about Every OS on the market since the 70's and
> > never been compromised, not once, and that includes all of my Windows
> > based computers - so, if following the directions were done on Windows
> > machines we would not have near the compromised machines there are -
> > same is true with Ubuntu.
> >
> > Your anit-MS hate spew does not prove or help your case appear to be
> > valid.
> >
>
> You are a techie. Your average Windows user is probably a part of a
> large herd bot and you know it. The facts are that Linux isn't nearly as
> vulnerable as Windows and you know that too.

LOL - and the Techie admins with the compromised Ubuntu machines fell
prey to the same mistakes that Windows users make. It only takes one
stupid user to compromise a system, and Ubuntu has a lot of stupid users
and it's growing - we'll see more compromised Ubuntu systems this year.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)