No Mention Of Linux In Dell Sept Catalog

[Saucy]

<dont.pullout@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1189177065.636867.195670@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Here is the online version of the September Dell Catalog that was
> mailed out last week.
>
> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/catalog?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>
> Not a single mention of Linux ANYWHERE in the catalog.
>
> Maybe the online version of the catalog is different but a quick look
> shows it looks the same.
>
> All kinds of back to school, business, college, student stuff and Dell
> Reccomends MICOROSFT VISTA logos EVERYWHERE.
>
> So where is this great push of Linux Dell is supposedly doing?
> Where the hell are they hiding it?
> And why?
>
> Maybe Dell knows full well that Linux as a desktop system is about as
> in demand as Bubonic Plague.
>
> Expect Dell to quietly dump Linux, if they haven't already because
> it's difficult to tell.
>


Why would want to pay Dell for Linux!? 'They' give it away.. everybody knows
it can be had for free .. not that nayone wants it except as a cheap file
server or a university snob trick.

Note: Please don't cross-post - COLA removed.

Saucy

 

[Bill Yanaire]

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
news:fbrs7h$ibj$2@aioe.org...
> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>> Interesting footnotes from Dell:
>>
>> "Dell supports the N-Series hardware, but does not warrant or provide
>> technical support for operating systems installed by customers, including
>> Ubuntu Linux. Dell offers Ubuntu Linux "as is" under the GNU General
>> Public License (see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt for the full text
>> of the license)".
>>
>> "Fee-Based Support Options Available From Canonical".
>>
>> "Dell does not provide drivers for Ubuntu Linux systems beyond those
>> provided in the base Linux distribution. Dell does not warrant or provide
>> support for these drivers."
>>
>> Ref:
>> http://www.dell.com/content/learnmo...&s=gen&~id=hmc_sw_ubuntu&~lt=popup&~tab=other
>>
>> So if you purchase a Dell PC with Linux, and encounter a problem,
>> you'll end up paying for support right off the bat. Whereas Dell offers
>> free technical support for Dell PCs preinstalled with Microsoft Windows.
>> It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Microsoft Windows is, by
>> far,
>> the best consumer choice!
>>
>
> LOL! Only in your deluded dreams. Dell is expanding their offerings:
>
> http://www.canada.com/topics/techno...=96d273a7-f655-4c31-aade-f8799828a873&k=52601
>
Regardless of what flavor of Linux/Unix/Ubuntu Dell sells, it still is a
small part of their offering. Most people want a Windows solution.
It will be so far in the future that Linux takes over Windows (if ever), I
will be 90+ years old (if still alive), using my walker and oxygen tank to
get around, I won't even care. My in-home nurse will be giving me
Margaretas and rub downs.


> --
> Alias
> To email me, remove shoes

 

[Bill Yanaire]

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:26087A90-A659-4FC0-8FD5-D07A05547693@microsoft.com...
> Actually, once a consumer purchases a Dell PC with
> Linux preinstalled, they will soon likely purchase another
> Dell PC with Windows Vista after their Linux-induced
> frustration level comes to a head. Good marketing strategy!
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
>
Very true. Frustration on every level trying to figure out what to do with
Ubuntu



> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Jeanette" wrote:
>
>
> Yes the sales of Linux have been so bad for Dell that they have
> decided to expand the program.
>
> http://www.canada.com/topics/techno...=96d273a7-f655-4c31-aade-f8799828a873&k=52601
>

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>
>> Interesting footnotes from Dell:
>>
>> "Dell supports the N-Series hardware, but does not warrant or provide
>> technical support for operating systems installed by customers, including
>> Ubuntu Linux. Dell offers Ubuntu Linux "as is" under the GNU General
>> Public License (see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt for the full
>> text of the license)".
>>
>> "Fee-Based Support Options Available From Canonical".
>>
>> "Dell does not provide drivers for Ubuntu Linux systems beyond those
>> provided in the base Linux distribution. Dell does not warrant or provide
>> support for these drivers."
>>
>> Ref:
>> http://www.dell.com/content/learnmo...&s=gen&~id=hmc_sw_ubuntu&~lt=popup&~tab=other
>>
>>
>> So if you purchase a Dell PC with Linux, and encounter a problem,
>> you'll end up paying for support right off the bat. Whereas Dell offers
>> free technical support for Dell PCs preinstalled with Microsoft Windows.
>> It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Microsoft Windows is,
>> by far,
>> the best consumer choice!
>>
>
> LOL! Only in your deluded dreams. Dell is expanding their offerings:
>
> http://www.canada.com/topics/techno...=96d273a7-f655-4c31-aade-f8799828a873&k=52601
>
>
Two month old Canadian news?
Who cares?
Frank

 

[norm]

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> If Dell sells an open sores, low demand, operating system such as Linux,
> then they would be required to offer customer technical support for it.
> Image the huge expense of training and maintaining support personnel for
> Linux, especially with the wide variety of Linux versions available and
> steep customer learning curve.
>
> Dell is in the business of trying to make a profit. If their business model
> shows supporting Linux is a money loser, good business sense would
> naturally dictate dropping Linux as a low-demand, unprofitable product.
>
And selling machines with windows is any different in terms of having to
provide customer technical support personnel for the os? And fwiw,
dell is not selling computers with a wide variety of linux versions. It
is selling computers with unbuntu.

--
norm

 

[Cpl Kronk]

"norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
news:%23C9LJvW8HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>> If Dell sells an open sores, low demand, operating system such as Linux,
>> then they would be required to offer customer technical support for it.
>> Image the huge expense of training and maintaining support personnel for
>> Linux, especially with the wide variety of Linux versions available and
>> steep customer learning curve.
>>
>> Dell is in the business of trying to make a profit. If their business
>> model
>> shows supporting Linux is a money loser, good business sense would
>> naturally dictate dropping Linux as a low-demand, unprofitable product.
>
> And selling machines with windows is any different in terms of having to
> provide customer technical support personnel for the os?

Except that everyone already knows how to use and support Windows so its
easier.


> And fwiw, dell is not selling computers with a wide variety of linux
> versions. It is selling computers with unbuntu.

What's an unbuntu? I thought Dell was shipping some computers with linux.



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[Kier]

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:31:49 -0400, Cpl Kronk wrote:

>
> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message

>> And fwiw, dell is not selling computers with a wide variety of linux
>> versions. It is selling computers with unbuntu.
>
> What's an unbuntu? I thought Dell was shipping some computers with linux.

For someone who claims to have knowledge of how well Linux is
supposed to be doing on the desktop, you should at least *try* not to show
your ignorance so obviously. 'Ubuntu' (not 'unbuntu', as norm misspelled
it) is the most popular desktop distro at the moment. Maybe you saw it at
the airport and just didn't know what it was.

--
Kier

 

[olsen1960@gmail.com]

On Sep 7, 11:04 am, "Bill Yanaire" <b...@yanaire.com> wrote:
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfri...@nospamgmail.com> wrote in messagenews:26087A90-A659-4FC0-8FD5-D07A05547693@microsoft.com...> Actually, once a consumer purchases a Dell PC with
> > Linux preinstalled, they will soon likely purchase another
> > Dell PC with Windows Vista after their Linux-induced
> > frustration level comes to a head. Good marketing strategy!
>
> > --
> > Carey Frisch
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows Shell/User
>
> Very true. Frustration on every level trying to figure out what to do with
> Ubuntu

Generally the first question is why can't I install 'xxxxyyyyzzzz'
application?
Insert your favorite Windows application in place of xxxyyyzz.

Or why don't the educational programs the teacher in school gave my
son/daughter work?

And so forth.

And BTW the OP seems to be talking about a monthly special catalog, a
very important one indeed because it comes at the start of the school
year which is the 3rd most active shopping season behind Christmas and
Easter, at least according to CNN.
Dell offers Linux on their website but NOT in THAT catalog which I
believe is the point the OP was trying to make.

If Linux was important to Dell, they would have offered it in that
particular mailing because that would be a huge market which is why
the best Dell offers almost always come during the latter part of the
summer and start of the school year.

Big bucks season for Dell, but evidently Linux is a stinker for sales
and who wants 1000's of computers returned because people are upset
with Linux?

 

[bob]

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:31:49 -0400, Cpl Kronk wrote:

> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
> news:%23C9LJvW8HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>> If Dell sells an open sores, low demand, operating system such as Linux,
>>> then they would be required to offer customer technical support for it.
>>> Image the huge expense of training and maintaining support personnel for
>>> Linux, especially with the wide variety of Linux versions available and
>>> steep customer learning curve.
>>>
>>> Dell is in the business of trying to make a profit. If their business
>>> model
>>> shows supporting Linux is a money loser, good business sense would
>>> naturally dictate dropping Linux as a low-demand, unprofitable product.
>>
>> And selling machines with windows is any different in terms of having to
>> provide customer technical support personnel for the os?
>
> Except that everyone already knows how to use and support Windows so its
> easier.
>

That's nonsense.

>
>> And fwiw, dell is not selling computers with a wide variety of linux
>> versions. It is selling computers with unbuntu.
>
> What's an unbuntu? I thought Dell was shipping some computers with linux.

Ignorance is not your friend.



--


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cross.¡
- Sinclair Lewis.

 

[Cpl Kronk]

"Kier" <vallon@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
newsan.2007.09.07.16.38.37.767249@tiscali.co.uk...
> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:31:49 -0400, Cpl Kronk wrote:
>
>>
>> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
>
>>> And fwiw, dell is not selling computers with a wide variety of linux
>>> versions. It is selling computers with unbuntu.
>>
>> What's an unbuntu? I thought Dell was shipping some computers with linux.
>
> For someone who claims to have knowledge of how well Linux is
> supposed to be doing on the desktop, you should at least *try* not to show
> your ignorance so obviously. 'Ubuntu' (not 'unbuntu', as norm misspelled
> it) is the most popular desktop distro at the moment.

Ah - so there is no such thing as an unbuntu. This looks like a golden
opportunity for someone to fill the niche.

> Maybe you saw it at
> the airport and just didn't know what it was.

I know what I saw. Or didn't see in this case.


BTW - Congrats on getting your clock working correctly. Did you need to
rebuild your kernel or was simply editing some .rc files and running
modprobe enough to get it working properly?



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[norm]

Kier wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:31:49 -0400, Cpl Kronk wrote:
>
>> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
>
>>> And fwiw, dell is not selling computers with a wide variety of linux
>>> versions. It is selling computers with unbuntu.
>> What's an unbuntu? I thought Dell was shipping some computers with linux.
>
> For someone who claims to have knowledge of how well Linux is
> supposed to be doing on the desktop, you should at least *try* not to show
> your ignorance so obviously. 'Ubuntu' (not 'unbuntu', as norm misspelled
> it) is the most popular desktop distro at the moment. Maybe you saw it at
> the airport and just didn't know what it was.
>
I DID make a spelling error and didn't notice. I apologize.

--
norm

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting footnotes from Dell:
>>>
>>> "Dell supports the N-Series hardware, but does not warrant or provide
>>> technical support for operating systems installed by customers,
>>> including
>>> Ubuntu Linux. Dell offers Ubuntu Linux "as is" under the GNU General
>>> Public License (see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.txt for the full
>>> text of the license)".
>>>
>>> "Fee-Based Support Options Available From Canonical".
>>>
>>> "Dell does not provide drivers for Ubuntu Linux systems beyond those
>>> provided in the base Linux distribution. Dell does not warrant or
>>> provide
>>> support for these drivers."
>>>
>>> Ref:
>>> http://www.dell.com/content/learnmo...&s=gen&~id=hmc_sw_ubuntu&~lt=popup&~tab=other
>>>
>>>
>>> So if you purchase a Dell PC with Linux, and encounter a problem,
>>> you'll end up paying for support right off the bat. Whereas Dell offers
>>> free technical support for Dell PCs preinstalled with Microsoft Windows.
>>> It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Microsoft Windows is,
>>> by far,
>>> the best consumer choice!
>>>
>>
>> LOL! Only in your deluded dreams. Dell is expanding their offerings:
>>
>> http://www.canada.com/topics/techno...=96d273a7-f655-4c31-aade-f8799828a873&k=52601
>>
>>
> Two month old Canadian news?
> Who cares?
> Frank

Obviously you do because not only did you reply to my post, you read the
article. Why do you care, Frank?

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[Saucy]

"Cpl Kronk" <kronkme@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Kier" <vallon@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
> newsan.2007.09.07.16.38.37.767249@tiscali.co.uk...
>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:31:49 -0400, Cpl Kronk wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> < chop and headers trimmed >
>
>
> BTW - Congrats on getting your clock working correctly. Did you need to
> rebuild your kernel or was simply editing some .rc files and running
> modprobe enough to get it working properly?
>
>


LOL

 

[Kier]

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:57:53 -0400, norm wrote:

> Kier wrote:
>> On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:31:49 -0400, Cpl Kronk wrote:
>>
>>> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
>>
>>>> And fwiw, dell is not selling computers with a wide variety of linux
>>>> versions. It is selling computers with unbuntu.
>>> What's an unbuntu? I thought Dell was shipping some computers with linux.
>>
>> For someone who claims to have knowledge of how well Linux is
>> supposed to be doing on the desktop, you should at least *try* not to show
>> your ignorance so obviously. 'Ubuntu' (not 'unbuntu', as norm misspelled
>> it) is the most popular desktop distro at the moment. Maybe you saw it at
>> the airport and just didn't know what it was.
>>
> I DID make a spelling error and didn't notice. I apologize.

That's okay. It's been known to happen -)

Have you tried Ubuntu, by the way? If you haven't, I'd recommend you give
it a whirl as a Live CD. Or if you want to see another Live implementation
of the GNOME desktop environment, similar to that seen in Ubuntu, but more
like vanilla GNOME, try here:

http://torrent.gnome.org/

(The actual terrent is pretty slow, but there is a standard download too,
I don't know if that is better, but you could find out).

If you do decide to have a go, let us know what you think.

--
Kier

 

[Kier]

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 12:55:56 -0400, Cpl Kronk wrote:

> BTW - Congrats on getting your clock working correctly. Did you need to
> rebuild your kernel or was simply editing some .rc files and running
> modprobe enough to get it working properly?

Of course not - why on Earth would I need to do somethig as complicated
as that? You really *are* ignorant about Linux, aren't you? I simply
clicked on the clock applet and adjusted it. It displays the correct time,
but for some reason under UTC, the system goes +1 hour and I hadn't
noticed it was showing up in Pan like that.

--
Kier

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

Price an identical basic Dell desktop system w/17" LCD monitor with
Windows Vista and then Ubuntu, you'll see the Ubuntu system is actually
$10 more ($549-U vs. $539-V). Dell fully supports Vista at no charge
while it does not support Dell PCs w/Ubuntu installed.

Again, Windows Vista is the clear winner!

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

--------------------------------------------------------------------

"bob" wrote:

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:31:49 -0400, Cpl Kronk wrote:

> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
> news:%23C9LJvW8HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>> If Dell sells an open sores, low demand, operating system such as Linux,
>>> then they would be required to offer customer technical support for it.
>>> Image the huge expense of training and maintaining support personnel for
>>> Linux, especially with the wide variety of Linux versions available and
>>> steep customer learning curve.
>>>
>>> Dell is in the business of trying to make a profit. If their business
>>> model
>>> shows supporting Linux is a money loser, good business sense would
>>> naturally dictate dropping Linux as a low-demand, unprofitable product.
>>
>> And selling machines with windows is any different in terms of having to
>> provide customer technical support personnel for the os?
>
> Except that everyone already knows how to use and support Windows so its
> easier.
>

That's nonsense.

>
>> And fwiw, dell is not selling computers with a wide variety of linux
>> versions. It is selling computers with unbuntu.
>
> What's an unbuntu? I thought Dell was shipping some computers with linux.

Ignorance is not your friend.



--


´When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a
cross.¡
- Sinclair Lewis.

 

[Alias]

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
> Price an identical basic Dell desktop system w/17" LCD monitor with
> Windows Vista and then Ubuntu, you'll see the Ubuntu system is actually
> $10 more ($549-U vs. $539-V). Dell fully supports Vista at no charge
> while it does not support Dell PCs w/Ubuntu installed.
>
> Again, Windows Vista is the clear winner!
>

And the paying Vista customers, once again, are the clear losers.

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[dennis@home]

"DP" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Forget what I said. They do still sell them in the USA
>
> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>
> But am I reading that correctly? They sell only THREE computers with
> Ubuntu? Or am I missing something?
>

Its a wonder they sell any.. have you seen what they charge for support?
I doubt if many new users are going to choose Ubuntu and then pay the $275
they quote for 12m support.
However they probably know several people with windows they can get help
from.
Looks like a good way to put newbies off linux to me.

 

[Kier]

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:34:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>
> "DP" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23oyh3bW8HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>> Forget what I said. They do still sell them in the USA
>>
>> http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/ubuntu?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>>
>> But am I reading that correctly? They sell only THREE computers with
>> Ubuntu? Or am I missing something?
>>
>
> Its a wonder they sell any.. have you seen what they charge for support?
> I doubt if many new users are going to choose Ubuntu and then pay the $275
> they quote for 12m support.
> However they probably know several people with windows they can get help
> from.
> Looks like a good way to put newbies off linux to me.

Or to turn them towards the very active and newbie friendly Ubuntu
community, which will support them for nothing, provided they're willing
to have a try at learning a few new skills.

--
Kier

 

[dennis@home]

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:26087A90-A659-4FC0-8FD5-D07A05547693@microsoft.com...
> Actually, once a consumer purchases a Dell PC with
> Linux preinstalled, they will soon likely purchase another
> Dell PC with Windows Vista after their Linux-induced
> frustration level comes to a head. Good marketing strategy!
>

Actually they are more likely to install a pirated copy of XP.. which
probably why they bought it in the first place.