Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where is Linux????????

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2008-08-07, Gary S. Terhune <none> wrote:
> I still can't figure out why, if Linux is so wonderful, you folks aren't
> busy making it more palatable to the consumer instead of mass-trolling this
> Windows group.
>
> Oh, I get it: Linux User = Troll. Which of course isn't true, but I don't

You are confused.

It's rather the opposite. If you're "upset" about the crossposting then
blame your own fellow "enthusiasts".

> for the life of me comprehend why you aren't being lined up against the wall
> and shot by real Linux users. For me, you're just entertainment, sometimes
> just a nuisance. For REAL Linux users, you are all just a big mess of bad
> press.
>
> NOW I GET IT! You folks don't actually know how to use Linux and are just
> wasting your time in Linux groups as a front for your real activities.
> Trolling this group and perhaps other MS groups.
>
> How sad for the world of Linux.
>

Now that we have brought up the notion of "wasting time".

What do you do with your OS that's so wonderful? Is it
something that can't be done in all the others? What
tools do you use exactly?

What does a Linux or Mac user do with a VM with an empty copy
of Windows in it?

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[Ignoramus14891]

On 2008-08-07, Gary S. Terhune <none> wrote:
> I still can't figure out why, if Linux is so wonderful, you folks aren't
> busy making it more palatable to the consumer instead of mass-trolling this
> Windows group.
>
> Oh, I get it: Linux User = Troll. Which of course isn't true, but I don't
> for the life of me comprehend why you aren't being lined up against the wall
> and shot by real Linux users. For me, you're just entertainment, sometimes
> just a nuisance. For REAL Linux users, you are all just a big mess of bad
> press.
>
> NOW I GET IT! You folks don't actually know how to use Linux and are just
> wasting your time in Linux groups as a front for your real activities.
> Trolling this group and perhaps other MS groups.
>
> How sad for the world of Linux.
>

Linux is not just "for consumers".

It is also for servers.

For example, I am presently busy replacing Windows servers with Linux
servers at work. These servers, do not even have a GUI, they run
applications whose job is to move data around.

The nice thing, and that somewhat pertains to your mention of
scripting in the signature, is that most of what these servers do, is
scripted, so there is very little need for any sort of manual set up
work.

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[Rick]

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where isLinux????????

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:49:12 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:

> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
> news:g7eqth$hu7$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>>> news:g7dhl0$f2h$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Damian wrote:
>>>>> Rick wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to
>>>>>>>>>>>> School" catalog,
>>>>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>> No where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is
>>>>>>>>> and even less
>>>>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it
>>>>>>>>> used to be
>>>>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>>>>>> confusing
>>>>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work
>>>>>>>>> and anarchy,
>>>>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that
>>>>>>>>> works without
>>>>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time it
>>>>>>>>> takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to decypher
>>>>>>>>> the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and be
>>>>>>>> educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a
>>>>>>>> computer science student or something similar, the computer is
>>>>>>>> simply another tool to assist them in
>>>>>>>> this process.
>>>>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is acceptable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking the
>>>>>>>> trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the
>>>>>>>> student.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall
>>>>>>>> of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of
>>>>>>> the eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her shoulder
>>>>>>> and go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work with others,
>>>>>>> they don't recognize the interface and they shut down. It
>>>>>>> probably doesn't help that she had a XP computer that she got used
>>>>>>> to for a couple years before we went eee. She's got a bunch of
>>>>>>> time "invested" in software that doesn't translate to anything
>>>>>>> available for Linux.
>>>>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch
>>>>>> to Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else
>>>>>> has, and they want something they are familiar and comfortable
>>>>>> with.
>>>>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the tools
>>>>> they use. linux fails on all counts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> My younger
>>>>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a spreadsheet,
>>>>>>> and a net browser, and she's happy. The older daughter will get
>>>>>>> one of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you
>>>> ever tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If
>>>> they don't want to go they aren't going to. MS users will go anywhere
>>>> Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought, just go.
>>>> Even pigs think for themselves.
>>>> caver1
>>>
>>> And maybe they even know how to spell corral... or use an operating
>>> system that allows for a spellchecker.
>>
>>
>> That's where you need to learn coral is spelled right. Wrong word
>> because I left out a letter. If you used Linux you would know that it
>> has a spell checker. Oh that is two words. If your head wasn't clouded
>> you would know that was not an OS mistake.
>>
>>
>>> Coral is something you find in the sea. Please try to think before
>>> you type. Your blind hatred of something you've made up in your head
>>> is clouding your thinking.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>>
>> If all you can pick on is I left out one letter it's you that have the
>> problem.
>> All you people do is is let your blind hatred of Linux keep you
>> spouting the same mantra over and over ......"they want something that
>> works....Linux fails on all counts"
>> caver1
>
> Not my words, fella. Learn to associate the right quote with the right
> author.... and to spell. FWIW, considering the word usage, it is
> misspelled. I don't hate Linux, I just prefer something that works
> better. For me (and apparently 94 or so percent of the rest of the
> population) is Windows. Get over it.
>
> Ed

Most of that 90-ish percent don't know Linux exists. Of those, few have
used it. Of those, fewer still have used it as a pre-installed system.

Most of the 90-ish% use Windows because that is what almost everyone else
uses.

And, BTW, Windows doesn't "work better" than Linux. It only appears that
way because hardware vendors rarely directly support Linux systems.

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[Ed Edelenbos]

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:qd-dnQPFkMjwjgbVnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@supernews.com...
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:49:12 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>> news:g7eqth$hu7$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:g7dhl0$f2h$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Damian wrote:
>>>>>> Rick wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> School" catalog,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is
>>>>>>>>>> and even less
>>>>>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it
>>>>>>>>>> used to be
>>>>>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>>>>>>> confusing
>>>>>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work
>>>>>>>>>> and anarchy,
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that
>>>>>>>>>> works without
>>>>>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time it
>>>>>>>>>> takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to decypher
>>>>>>>>>> the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and be
>>>>>>>>> educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a
>>>>>>>>> computer science student or something similar, the computer is
>>>>>>>>> simply another tool to assist them in
>>>>>>>>> this process.
>>>>>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is acceptable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking the
>>>>>>>>> trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the
>>>>>>>>> student.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall
>>>>>>>>> of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of
>>>>>>>> the eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her shoulder
>>>>>>>> and go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work with others,
>>>>>>>> they don't recognize the interface and they shut down. It
>>>>>>>> probably doesn't help that she had a XP computer that she got used
>>>>>>>> to for a couple years before we went eee. She's got a bunch of
>>>>>>>> time "invested" in software that doesn't translate to anything
>>>>>>>> available for Linux.
>>>>>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch
>>>>>>> to Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else
>>>>>>> has, and they want something they are familiar and comfortable
>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the tools
>>>>>> they use. linux fails on all counts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My younger
>>>>>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a spreadsheet,
>>>>>>>> and a net browser, and she's happy. The older daughter will get
>>>>>>>> one of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you
>>>>> ever tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If
>>>>> they don't want to go they aren't going to. MS users will go anywhere
>>>>> Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought, just go.
>>>>> Even pigs think for themselves.
>>>>> caver1
>>>>
>>>> And maybe they even know how to spell corral... or use an operating
>>>> system that allows for a spellchecker.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's where you need to learn coral is spelled right. Wrong word
>>> because I left out a letter. If you used Linux you would know that it
>>> has a spell checker. Oh that is two words. If your head wasn't clouded
>>> you would know that was not an OS mistake.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Coral is something you find in the sea. Please try to think before
>>>> you type. Your blind hatred of something you've made up in your head
>>>> is clouding your thinking.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>> If all you can pick on is I left out one letter it's you that have the
>>> problem.
>>> All you people do is is let your blind hatred of Linux keep you
>>> spouting the same mantra over and over ......"they want something that
>>> works....Linux fails on all counts"
>>> caver1
>>
>> Not my words, fella. Learn to associate the right quote with the right
>> author.... and to spell. FWIW, considering the word usage, it is
>> misspelled. I don't hate Linux, I just prefer something that works
>> better. For me (and apparently 94 or so percent of the rest of the
>> population) is Windows. Get over it.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Most of that 90-ish percent don't know Linux exists. Of those, few have
> used it. Of those, fewer still have used it as a pre-installed system.
>
> Most of the 90-ish% use Windows because that is what almost everyone else
> uses.
>
> And, BTW, Windows doesn't "work better" than Linux. It only appears that
> way because hardware vendors rarely directly support Linux systems.
>
> --
> Rick

LOL... the end result is the same. I can use a windows computer and it
does what I need. I can do the same with a linux machine... sometimes.
And, sometimes isn't good enough.

Ed

 

[Rick]

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where isLinux????????

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:05:57 -0700, Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> I still can't figure out why, if Linux is so wonderful, you folks aren't
> busy making it more palatable to the consumer instead of mass-trolling
> this Windows group.

many people are working to make it more palatable to the consumer masses.
However, it is extremely hard, some say impossible, to overcome the
inertia Microsoft has built up.

As for the "mass trolling" you really show check the attributes to see
who started the massive cross-posting.

>
> Oh, I get it: Linux User = Troll. Which of course isn't true, but I
> don't for the life of me comprehend why you aren't being lined up
> against the wall and shot by real Linux users. For me, you're just
> entertainment, sometimes just a nuisance. For REAL Linux users, you are
> all just a big mess of bad press.

Real Linux users? Those of us that use it as our main desktop OS when we
can? Those fo us that have web servers and ftp servers?

>
> NOW I GET IT! You folks don't actually know how to use Linux and are
> just wasting your time in Linux groups as a front for your real
> activities. Trolling this group and perhaps other MS groups.
>
> How sad for the world of Linux.

I think you may have dumped a number of people into the same grouping ...
incorrectly.

--
Rick

 

[Rick]

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where isLinux????????

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:27:26 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:

> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:qd-dnQPFkMjwjgbVnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@supernews.com...
>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:49:12 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>
>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>>> news:g7eqth$hu7$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:g7dhl0$f2h$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>> Damian wrote:
>>>>>>> Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> School" catalog,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is
>>>>>>>>>>> and even less
>>>>>>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way
>>>>>>>>>>> it used to be
>>>>>>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work
>>>>>>>>>>> without confusing
>>>>>>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work
>>>>>>>>>>> and anarchy,
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that
>>>>>>>>>>> works without
>>>>>>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time
>>>>>>>>>>> it takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to
>>>>>>>>>>> decypher the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and
>>>>>>>>>> be educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a
>>>>>>>>>> computer science student or something similar, the computer is
>>>>>>>>>> simply another tool to assist them in this process.
>>>>>>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>>>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is
>>>>>>>>>> acceptable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking
>>>>>>>>>> the trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the
>>>>>>>>>> student.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>>>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>>>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall
>>>>>>>>>> of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of
>>>>>>>>> the eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her
>>>>>>>>> shoulder and go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work
>>>>>>>>> with others, they don't recognize the interface and they shut
>>>>>>>>> down. It probably doesn't help that she had a XP computer that
>>>>>>>>> she got used to for a couple years before we went eee. She's
>>>>>>>>> got a bunch of time "invested" in software that doesn't
>>>>>>>>> translate to anything available for Linux.
>>>>>>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch
>>>>>>>> to Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone
>>>>>>>> else has, and they want something they are familiar and
>>>>>>>> comfortable with.
>>>>>>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the
>>>>>>> tools they use. linux fails on all counts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My younger
>>>>>>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a
>>>>>>>>> spreadsheet, and a net browser, and she's happy. The older
>>>>>>>>> daughter will get one of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you
>>>>>> ever tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If
>>>>>> they don't want to go they aren't going to. MS users will go
>>>>>> anywhere Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought, just go. Even
>>>>>> pigs think for themselves.
>>>>>> caver1
>>>>>
>>>>> And maybe they even know how to spell corral... or use an operating
>>>>> system that allows for a spellchecker.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's where you need to learn coral is spelled right. Wrong word
>>>> because I left out a letter. If you used Linux you would know that it
>>>> has a spell checker. Oh that is two words. If your head wasn't
>>>> clouded you would know that was not an OS mistake.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Coral is something you find in the sea. Please try to think before
>>>>> you type. Your blind hatred of something you've made up in your
>>>>> head is clouding your thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If all you can pick on is I left out one letter it's you that have
>>>> the problem.
>>>> All you people do is is let your blind hatred of Linux keep you
>>>> spouting the same mantra over and over ......"they want something
>>>> that works....Linux fails on all counts"
>>>> caver1
>>>
>>> Not my words, fella. Learn to associate the right quote with the right
>>> author.... and to spell. FWIW, considering the word usage, it is
>>> misspelled. I don't hate Linux, I just prefer something that works
>>> better. For me (and apparently 94 or so percent of the rest of the
>>> population) is Windows. Get over it.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> Most of that 90-ish percent don't know Linux exists. Of those, few have
>> used it. Of those, fewer still have used it as a pre-installed system.
>>
>> Most of the 90-ish% use Windows because that is what almost everyone
>> else uses.
>>
>> And, BTW, Windows doesn't "work better" than Linux. It only appears
>> that way because hardware vendors rarely directly support Linux
>> systems.
>>
>> --
>> Rick
>
> LOL... the end result is the same. I can use a windows computer and it
> does what I need. I can do the same with a linux machine... sometimes.
> And, sometimes isn't good enough.
>
> Ed

Fine.

I can use a Linux based computer and it does what I need. I can do the
same with a Windows machine... sometimes.

You have what works for you, and I have what works for me.

--
Rick

 

[caver1]

Ed Edelenbos wrote:
> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
> news:g7eqth$hu7$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>>> news:g7dhl0$f2h$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Damian wrote:
>>>>> Rick wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to School"
>>>>>>>>>>>> catalog,
>>>>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux. No
>>>>>>>>>>>> where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is and
>>>>>>>>> even less
>>>>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it
>>>>>>>>> used to be
>>>>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>>>>>> confusing
>>>>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work and
>>>>>>>>> anarchy,
>>>>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that works
>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time it
>>>>>>>>> takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to decypher
>>>>>>>>> the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and be
>>>>>>>> educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a computer
>>>>>>>> science student or something similar, the computer is simply another
>>>>>>>> tool to assist them in
>>>>>>>> this process.
>>>>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is acceptable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking the
>>>>>>>> trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the student.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall of
>>>>>>>> Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of the
>>>>>>> eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her shoulder and
>>>>>>> go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work with others, they
>>>>>>> don't recognize the interface and they shut down. It probably
>>>>>>> doesn't help that she had a XP computer that she got used to for a
>>>>>>> couple years before we went eee. She's got a bunch of time
>>>>>>> "invested" in software that doesn't translate to anything available
>>>>>>> for Linux.
>>>>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch to
>>>>>> Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else has,
>>>>>> and they want something they are familiar and comfortable with.
>>>>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the tools
>>>>> they use. linux fails on all counts.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> My younger
>>>>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a spreadsheet,
>>>>>>> and a net browser, and she's happy. The older daughter will get one
>>>>>>> of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you ever
>>>> tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If they
>>>> don't want to go they aren't going to.
>>>> MS users will go anywhere Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought,
>>>> just go.
>>>> Even pigs think for themselves.
>>>> caver1
>>> And maybe they even know how to spell corral... or use an operating
>>> system that allows for a spellchecker.
>>
>> That's where you need to learn coral is spelled right. Wrong word because
>> I left out a letter. If you used Linux you would know that it has a spell
>> checker. Oh that is two words. If your head wasn't clouded you would know
>> that was not an OS mistake.
>>
>>
>>> Coral is something you find in the sea. Please try to think before you
>>> type. Your blind hatred of something you've made up in your head is
>>> clouding your thinking.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>
>> If all you can pick on is I left out one letter it's you that have the
>> problem.
>> All you people do is is let your blind hatred of Linux keep you spouting
>> the same mantra over and over ......"they want something that
>> works....Linux fails on all counts"
>> caver1
>
> Not my words, fella. Learn to associate the right quote with the right
> author.... and to spell. FWIW, considering the word usage, it is
> misspelled. I don't hate Linux, I just prefer something that works better.
> For me (and apparently 94 or so percent of the rest of the population) is
> Windows. Get over it.
>
> Ed
>
>



They were quoted from this thread. So who cares which of you win fans
said it. you're all the same. I never said you said it, this time.
I already got over it. That's why I use Linux.
You were complaining about spell checker not catching it. Type coral
into any spell checker. Non of them will catch it because it ain't
spelled wrong.
I admitted to spelling it wrong. So what. If that is all you have to
base your argument on.
If you are losing an argument start hitting on things that don't really
matter, works every time. :0
caver1

 

[Ed Edelenbos]

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:qd-dnT3FkMi7hQbVnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@supernews.com...
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:27:26 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>
>> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:qd-dnQPFkMjwjgbVnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@supernews.com...
>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:49:12 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>
>>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:g7eqth$hu7$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:g7dhl0$f2h$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>>> Damian wrote:
>>>>>>>> Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> School" catalog,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is
>>>>>>>>>>>> and even less
>>>>>>>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>>>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>>>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way
>>>>>>>>>>>> it used to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work
>>>>>>>>>>>> without confusing
>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work
>>>>>>>>>>>> and anarchy,
>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that
>>>>>>>>>>>> works without
>>>>>>>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time
>>>>>>>>>>>> it takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to
>>>>>>>>>>>> decypher the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and
>>>>>>>>>>> be educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a
>>>>>>>>>>> computer science student or something similar, the computer is
>>>>>>>>>>> simply another tool to assist them in this process.
>>>>>>>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>>>>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is
>>>>>>>>>>> acceptable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking
>>>>>>>>>>> the trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the
>>>>>>>>>>> student.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>>>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>>>>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall
>>>>>>>>>>> of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of
>>>>>>>>>> the eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her
>>>>>>>>>> shoulder and go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work
>>>>>>>>>> with others, they don't recognize the interface and they shut
>>>>>>>>>> down. It probably doesn't help that she had a XP computer that
>>>>>>>>>> she got used to for a couple years before we went eee. She's
>>>>>>>>>> got a bunch of time "invested" in software that doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> translate to anything available for Linux.
>>>>>>>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch
>>>>>>>>> to Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone
>>>>>>>>> else has, and they want something they are familiar and
>>>>>>>>> comfortable with.
>>>>>>>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the
>>>>>>>> tools they use. linux fails on all counts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My younger
>>>>>>>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a
>>>>>>>>>> spreadsheet, and a net browser, and she's happy. The older
>>>>>>>>>> daughter will get one of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you
>>>>>>> ever tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If
>>>>>>> they don't want to go they aren't going to. MS users will go
>>>>>>> anywhere Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought, just go. Even
>>>>>>> pigs think for themselves.
>>>>>>> caver1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And maybe they even know how to spell corral... or use an operating
>>>>>> system that allows for a spellchecker.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's where you need to learn coral is spelled right. Wrong word
>>>>> because I left out a letter. If you used Linux you would know that it
>>>>> has a spell checker. Oh that is two words. If your head wasn't
>>>>> clouded you would know that was not an OS mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Coral is something you find in the sea. Please try to think before
>>>>>> you type. Your blind hatred of something you've made up in your
>>>>>> head is clouding your thinking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If all you can pick on is I left out one letter it's you that have
>>>>> the problem.
>>>>> All you people do is is let your blind hatred of Linux keep you
>>>>> spouting the same mantra over and over ......"they want something
>>>>> that works....Linux fails on all counts"
>>>>> caver1
>>>>
>>>> Not my words, fella. Learn to associate the right quote with the right
>>>> author.... and to spell. FWIW, considering the word usage, it is
>>>> misspelled. I don't hate Linux, I just prefer something that works
>>>> better. For me (and apparently 94 or so percent of the rest of the
>>>> population) is Windows. Get over it.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Most of that 90-ish percent don't know Linux exists. Of those, few have
>>> used it. Of those, fewer still have used it as a pre-installed system.
>>>
>>> Most of the 90-ish% use Windows because that is what almost everyone
>>> else uses.
>>>
>>> And, BTW, Windows doesn't "work better" than Linux. It only appears
>>> that way because hardware vendors rarely directly support Linux
>>> systems.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick
>>
>> LOL... the end result is the same. I can use a windows computer and it
>> does what I need. I can do the same with a linux machine... sometimes.
>> And, sometimes isn't good enough.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Fine.
>
> I can use a Linux based computer and it does what I need. I can do the
> same with a Windows machine... sometimes.
>
> You have what works for you, and I have what works for me.
>
> --
> Rick

I'm in 100% agreement. But, you can't go and get all level headed with me.
(grin!)

Ed

 

[Linonut]

* Gary S. Terhune peremptorily fired off this memo:

> I still can't figure out why, if Linux is so wonderful, you folks aren't
> busy making it more palatable to the consumer instead of mass-trolling this
> Windows group.

1. Linux has made great leaps and bounds for "palatability".
Progress is ongoing.

2. Some idiot cross-posted just to start a fight.

> Oh, I get it: Linux User = Troll. Which of course isn't true, but I don't
> for the life of me comprehend why you aren't being lined up against the wall
> and shot by real Linux users. For me, you're just entertainment, sometimes
> just a nuisance. For REAL Linux users, you are all just a big mess of bad
> press.

You may well be the Windows counterpart of that. Especially with those
initials after your name.

> NOW I GET IT! You folks don't actually know how to use Linux and are just
> wasting your time in Linux groups as a front for your real activities.
> Trolling this group and perhaps other MS groups.
>
> How sad for the world of Linux.

Stop by COLA and see how Windows users operate there.

--
Rube Walker: "Hey, Yogi, what time is it?"
Yogi Berra: "You mean now?"

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

I stand corrected. I made an assumption based upon the years of Linux trolls
that have been harassing Windows groups since I can remember, but you're
right, Moshe is an A**hole. Already knew that, but didn't flash on his being
the instigator of all this recent stuff (many of my threads are missing
their heads.) My apologies. I'll consider what might be done about it.

Of course, we could all just reply to Moshe with a blank post and remove the
Linux groups from the headers. Problem is, there's too many on your side who
are of the same mindset as Moshe, just not as dedicated.

At the moment, I'm disabled but things are looking up. I use my machine to
test Windows setups for compatibility and any other issues before I install
them for other folks, to replicate Windows issues, to simply use the various
versions of Windows regularly enough that I can stay in the Windows service
industry... Also to run Adobe Photoshop 6, Macromedia Freehand 9 and several
other nice graphics-related apps (and no, I will NOT upgrade either of
those, simply because I think the newer versions of Adobe apps suck (and I
don't need them) and they don't make Freehand anymore. I know, you're
thinking "Mac", but I tried that when we got into the publishing business
and not only don't I like the OS, I hate being locked into such a limited
set of expensive hardware choices.

Plus, I build the occasional custom Access app.

I tried a few Linux distros several years ago, when the word "distro"
probably still smelled of baby powder, but my business, along with medium to
high-end graphics, was supporting Windows at the consumer and SOHO market
(small one, it's a small town over an hour from anywhere.) Of course, there
was little need for Linux pros in my town, so Windows was it. Due to my
current disability, my brain won't retain info I learn like it used to, so
until I get a lot better and can even just keep up with Windows, learning
Linux is totally not in the cards, but I look forward to eventually seeing
how the project has come along.

Besides, as the following poster says, Linux really isn't ready to take on
the consumer/SOHO market yet. And that's my niche. When I find a steady
client or two who wants to try Linux, and I haven't already. I'll check it
out.

Not sure what your intent was in that last paragraph, but the answer is that
there isn't any such thing as an "empty" copy of Windows.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrng9m4oq.h6g.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
> On 2008-08-07, Gary S. Terhune <none> wrote:
>> I still can't figure out why, if Linux is so wonderful, you folks aren't
>> busy making it more palatable to the consumer instead of mass-trolling
>> this
>> Windows group.
>>
>> Oh, I get it: Linux User = Troll. Which of course isn't true, but I don't
>
> You are confused.
>
> It's rather the opposite. If you're "upset" about the crossposting then
> blame your own fellow "enthusiasts".
>
>> for the life of me comprehend why you aren't being lined up against the
>> wall
>> and shot by real Linux users. For me, you're just entertainment,
>> sometimes
>> just a nuisance. For REAL Linux users, you are all just a big mess of bad
>> press.
>>
>> NOW I GET IT! You folks don't actually know how to use Linux and are just
>> wasting your time in Linux groups as a front for your real activities.
>> Trolling this group and perhaps other MS groups.
>>
>> How sad for the world of Linux.
>>
>
> Now that we have brought up the notion of "wasting time".
>
> What do you do with your OS that's so wonderful? Is it
> something that can't be done in all the others? What
> tools do you use exactly?
>
> What does a Linux or Mac user do with a VM with an empty copy
> of Windows in it?
>
> --
>
>
> The average IT manager is a less effective mentor than a
> Spongebob Squarepants cartoon.
>
>
> Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.usenet.com

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Please see my responses to Jedidiah and the inaptly named "Ignoramus14891"

And it wasn't my intent to dump on real Linux users and developers, or even
Linux itself. Not at all. My beef is with the never-ending (even if Moshe
didn't exist) trail of trolls who use Linux as an rallying call. After all,
how many Windows users do you see in your groups (present situation
excepted), that day in and day out trash Linux while you try to assist less
knowledgeable people who are trying to learn Ubuntu?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:qd-dnQLFkMjCiQbVnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@supernews.com...
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:05:57 -0700, Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>
>> I still can't figure out why, if Linux is so wonderful, you folks aren't
>> busy making it more palatable to the consumer instead of mass-trolling
>> this Windows group.
>
> many people are working to make it more palatable to the consumer masses.
> However, it is extremely hard, some say impossible, to overcome the
> inertia Microsoft has built up.
>
> As for the "mass trolling" you really show check the attributes to see
> who started the massive cross-posting.
>
>>
>> Oh, I get it: Linux User = Troll. Which of course isn't true, but I
>> don't for the life of me comprehend why you aren't being lined up
>> against the wall and shot by real Linux users. For me, you're just
>> entertainment, sometimes just a nuisance. For REAL Linux users, you are
>> all just a big mess of bad press.
>
> Real Linux users? Those of us that use it as our main desktop OS when we
> can? Those fo us that have web servers and ftp servers?
>
>>
>> NOW I GET IT! You folks don't actually know how to use Linux and are
>> just wasting your time in Linux groups as a front for your real
>> activities. Trolling this group and perhaps other MS groups.
>>
>> How sad for the world of Linux.
>
> I think you may have dumped a number of people into the same grouping ...
> incorrectly.
>
> --
> Rick

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

That is either one of the more admirable examples of WHINING! I've seen in
several days, or you're simply stating the facts, which I agree they are.
Which is why it will take a traditionally capitalistic paradigm, not some
communistic utopian dream, to make Linux more than just a little more
popular in the consumer market than it is now..

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:qd-dnQPFkMjwjgbVnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@supernews.com...
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:49:12 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>> news:g7eqth$hu7$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:g7dhl0$f2h$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Damian wrote:
>>>>>> Rick wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> School" catalog,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is
>>>>>>>>>> and even less
>>>>>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way it
>>>>>>>>>> used to be
>>>>>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work without
>>>>>>>>>> confusing
>>>>>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work
>>>>>>>>>> and anarchy,
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that
>>>>>>>>>> works without
>>>>>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time it
>>>>>>>>>> takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to decypher
>>>>>>>>>> the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and be
>>>>>>>>> educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a
>>>>>>>>> computer science student or something similar, the computer is
>>>>>>>>> simply another tool to assist them in
>>>>>>>>> this process.
>>>>>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is acceptable.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking the
>>>>>>>>> trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the
>>>>>>>>> student.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall
>>>>>>>>> of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of
>>>>>>>> the eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her shoulder
>>>>>>>> and go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work with others,
>>>>>>>> they don't recognize the interface and they shut down. It
>>>>>>>> probably doesn't help that she had a XP computer that she got used
>>>>>>>> to for a couple years before we went eee. She's got a bunch of
>>>>>>>> time "invested" in software that doesn't translate to anything
>>>>>>>> available for Linux.
>>>>>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch
>>>>>>> to Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone else
>>>>>>> has, and they want something they are familiar and comfortable
>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the tools
>>>>>> they use. linux fails on all counts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My younger
>>>>>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a spreadsheet,
>>>>>>>> and a net browser, and she's happy. The older daughter will get
>>>>>>>> one of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you
>>>>> ever tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If
>>>>> they don't want to go they aren't going to. MS users will go anywhere
>>>>> Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought, just go.
>>>>> Even pigs think for themselves.
>>>>> caver1
>>>>
>>>> And maybe they even know how to spell corral... or use an operating
>>>> system that allows for a spellchecker.
>>>
>>>
>>> That's where you need to learn coral is spelled right. Wrong word
>>> because I left out a letter. If you used Linux you would know that it
>>> has a spell checker. Oh that is two words. If your head wasn't clouded
>>> you would know that was not an OS mistake.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Coral is something you find in the sea. Please try to think before
>>>> you type. Your blind hatred of something you've made up in your head
>>>> is clouding your thinking.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>> If all you can pick on is I left out one letter it's you that have the
>>> problem.
>>> All you people do is is let your blind hatred of Linux keep you
>>> spouting the same mantra over and over ......"they want something that
>>> works....Linux fails on all counts"
>>> caver1
>>
>> Not my words, fella. Learn to associate the right quote with the right
>> author.... and to spell. FWIW, considering the word usage, it is
>> misspelled. I don't hate Linux, I just prefer something that works
>> better. For me (and apparently 94 or so percent of the rest of the
>> population) is Windows. Get over it.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Most of that 90-ish percent don't know Linux exists. Of those, few have
> used it. Of those, fewer still have used it as a pre-installed system.
>
> Most of the 90-ish% use Windows because that is what almost everyone else
> uses.
>
> And, BTW, Windows doesn't "work better" than Linux. It only appears that
> way because hardware vendors rarely directly support Linux systems.
>
> --
> Rick

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

I can give plenty of examples to support Ed's side. What meaningful task can
you do with a Linux PC that you can't do with Windows? One or two examples
would be sufficient, and by "meaningful" I mean not including keeping the
user occupied with programming the machine itself.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:qd-dnT3FkMi7hQbVnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@supernews.com...
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:27:26 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>
>> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:qd-dnQPFkMjwjgbVnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@supernews.com...
>>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:49:12 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>
>>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:g7eqth$hu7$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:g7dhl0$f2h$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>>>> Damian wrote:
>>>>>>>> Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 06 Aug 2008 11:38:17 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:xax9jowlu6io.qle86a34c7hn$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:27:50 -0400, Ed Edelenbos wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:fdgtn1sapfan$.gft9fp7dvxkm$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:55:18 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:39:52 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just received the August version of the Dell "Back to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> School" catalog,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a big time of year for Dell BTW and not a mention of Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No where.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh yea, for $89.00 you can get the "Student Pack-Microsoft
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office Home"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which includes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Word 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OneNote 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PowerPoint 2007
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So where is OpenOffice?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://http://www.openoffice.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you care?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i was just asking why it's not offered as an alternative.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because 99.9% of the customer base doesn't know what Linux is
>>>>>>>>>>>> and even less
>>>>>>>>>>>> would want to try it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because much of the course work that calls for (or requires)
>>>>>>>>>>>> computer work
>>>>>>>>>>>> is presented in ways specific to MS software (in the same way
>>>>>>>>>>>> it used to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> presented in a Mac OSx way.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because people can turn on a MS machine and have it work
>>>>>>>>>>>> without confusing
>>>>>>>>>>>> scripts and complicated installation of inexpensive hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As much as I agree with the "Down with The Man" and indie work
>>>>>>>>>>>> and anarchy,
>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes I (like the majority of people) want something that
>>>>>>>>>>>> works without
>>>>>>>>>>>> needing to be a zealot about it. And with the amout of time
>>>>>>>>>>>> it takes to *do* stuff, needing an equal amount of time to
>>>>>>>>>>>> decypher the o/s just doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>>>> Basically my point is that a person is in college to learn and
>>>>>>>>>>> be educated to prepare for the live ahead. Unless they are a
>>>>>>>>>>> computer science student or something similar, the computer is
>>>>>>>>>>> simply another tool to assist them in this process.
>>>>>>>>>>> It should be as transparent as possible which means the student
>>>>>>>>>>> should follow the University guidelines as to what is
>>>>>>>>>>> acceptable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Standing on a pulpit, rebelling against "the man" and bucking
>>>>>>>>>>> the trend is fine but it just creates additional stress for the
>>>>>>>>>>> student.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no good reason to be the oddball in the class running
>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. --
>>>>>>>>>>> Moshe Goldfarb
>>>>>>>>>>> Collector of soaps from around the globe. Please visit The Hall
>>>>>>>>>>> of Linux Idiots: http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>> Which is exactly where my oldest daughter is. She wants out of
>>>>>>>>>> the eeePC because it runs Linux. Her peers look over her
>>>>>>>>>> shoulder and go, "ewww..." (grin) And, when she tries to work
>>>>>>>>>> with others, they don't recognize the interface and they shut
>>>>>>>>>> down. It probably doesn't help that she had a XP computer that
>>>>>>>>>> she got used to for a couple years before we went eee. She's
>>>>>>>>>> got a bunch of time "invested" in software that doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> translate to anything available for Linux.
>>>>>>>>> And that illustrates some of the main reasons people don't switch
>>>>>>>>> to Linux based machines more often. People want what everyone
>>>>>>>>> else has, and they want something they are familiar and
>>>>>>>>> comfortable with.
>>>>>>>> No, they want something that works, and is compatible with the
>>>>>>>> tools they use. linux fails on all counts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My younger
>>>>>>>>>> daughter doesn't care... she has a word processor, a
>>>>>>>>>> spreadsheet, and a net browser, and she's happy. The older
>>>>>>>>>> daughter will get one of new 10" xp eee's this fall semester.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know I think most of you are really dumber than pigs. Have you
>>>>>>> ever tried to coral a pig? It ain't easy. especially an old sow. If
>>>>>>> they don't want to go they aren't going to. MS users will go
>>>>>>> anywhere Redmond will lead them. Blindly, no thought, just go. Even
>>>>>>> pigs think for themselves.
>>>>>>> caver1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And maybe they even know how to spell corral... or use an operating
>>>>>> system that allows for a spellchecker.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's where you need to learn coral is spelled right. Wrong word
>>>>> because I left out a letter. If you used Linux you would know that it
>>>>> has a spell checker. Oh that is two words. If your head wasn't
>>>>> clouded you would know that was not an OS mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Coral is something you find in the sea. Please try to think before
>>>>>> you type. Your blind hatred of something you've made up in your
>>>>>> head is clouding your thinking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If all you can pick on is I left out one letter it's you that have
>>>>> the problem.
>>>>> All you people do is is let your blind hatred of Linux keep you
>>>>> spouting the same mantra over and over ......"they want something
>>>>> that works....Linux fails on all counts"
>>>>> caver1
>>>>
>>>> Not my words, fella. Learn to associate the right quote with the right
>>>> author.... and to spell. FWIW, considering the word usage, it is
>>>> misspelled. I don't hate Linux, I just prefer something that works
>>>> better. For me (and apparently 94 or so percent of the rest of the
>>>> population) is Windows. Get over it.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Most of that 90-ish percent don't know Linux exists. Of those, few have
>>> used it. Of those, fewer still have used it as a pre-installed system.
>>>
>>> Most of the 90-ish% use Windows because that is what almost everyone
>>> else uses.
>>>
>>> And, BTW, Windows doesn't "work better" than Linux. It only appears
>>> that way because hardware vendors rarely directly support Linux
>>> systems.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rick
>>
>> LOL... the end result is the same. I can use a windows computer and it
>> does what I need. I can do the same with a linux machine... sometimes.
>> And, sometimes isn't good enough.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Fine.
>
> I can use a Linux based computer and it does what I need. I can do the
> same with a Windows machine... sometimes.
>
> You have what works for you, and I have what works for me.
>
> --
> Rick

 

[Ignoramus14891]

On 2008-08-07, Gary S. Terhune <none> wrote:
> Please see my responses to Jedidiah and the inaptly named "Ignoramus14891"
>
> And it wasn't my intent to dump on real Linux users and developers, or even
> Linux itself. Not at all. My beef is with the never-ending (even if Moshe
> didn't exist) trail of trolls who use Linux as an rallying call. After all,
> how many Windows users do you see in your groups (present situation
> excepted), that day in and day out trash Linux while you try to assist less
> knowledgeable people who are trying to learn Ubuntu?
>

I am reading alt.os.linux.ubuntu at present, and about half of the
messages is from Windows users "trashing" Linux.

Personally, I would not necessarily want them to fully go away, but
cutting down on volume would be wonderful.

Sometimes I succumb to my own trolling instincts and post some Windows
trashing messages, but it is not often.

--
Due to extreme spam originating from Google Groups, and their inattention
to spammers, I and many others block all articles originating
from Google Groups. If you want your postings to be seen by
more readers you will need to find a different means of
posting on Usenet.
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[Rick]

Re: Dell "Back To School Catalog Aug edition" Where isLinux????????

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:03:41 -0700, Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Please see my responses to Jedidiah and the inaptly named
> "Ignoramus14891"
>
> And it wasn't my intent to dump on real Linux users and developers, or
> even Linux itself. Not at all. My beef is with the never-ending (even if
> Moshe didn't exist) trail of trolls who use Linux as an rallying call.
> After all, how many Windows users do you see in your groups (present
> situation excepted), that day in and day out trash Linux while you try
> to assist less knowledgeable people who are trying to learn Ubuntu?

Fair enough



--
Rick

 

[JEDIDIAH]

On 2008-08-07, Gary S. Terhune <none> wrote:
> That is either one of the more admirable examples of WHINING! I've seen in
> several days, or you're simply stating the facts, which I agree they are.
> Which is why it will take a traditionally capitalistic paradigm, not some
> communistic utopian dream, to make Linux more than just a little more
> popular in the consumer market than it is now..

You mean like Ubuntu is now?

Like Redhat has been doing for years?

Like Star Division did? Like the mozilla foundation did?

OO is primed to rescue Windows users everywhere from "ribbons".

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[JEDIDIAH]

On 2008-08-07, Gary S. Terhune <none> wrote:
> I can give plenty of examples to support Ed's side. What meaningful task can
> you do with a Linux PC that you can't do with Windows? One or two examples
> would be sufficient, and by "meaningful" I mean not including keeping the
> user occupied with programming the machine itself.

Automated DVD ripper in the style of audio mp3 rippers.

Also, being able to "merely do something too" is far too low a bar
for the platform that's been the industry monopoly juggernaut for over
20 years. It shouldn't just be a "me too" situation. It should be a
dramatic improvement.

Windows shouldn't just be a platform for free software projects.
That really defies the point of paying for it.

A mac or a linux user has Vista in a VM. What do they bother using
it for? Games?

--

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is genuinely new: culture, like science and |||
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building on the works of those that came before.

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[Gary S. Terhune]

"Ignoramus14891" <ignoramus14891@NOSPAM.14891.invalid> wrote in message
news:LfydnfobC_X_oQbVnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On 2008-08-07, Gary S. Terhune <none> wrote:
>> Please see my responses to Jedidiah and the inaptly named
>> "Ignoramus14891"
>>
>> And it wasn't my intent to dump on real Linux users and developers, or
>> even
>> Linux itself. Not at all. My beef is with the never-ending (even if Moshe
>> didn't exist) trail of trolls who use Linux as an rallying call. After
>> all,
>> how many Windows users do you see in your groups (present situation
>> excepted), that day in and day out trash Linux while you try to assist
>> less
>> knowledgeable people who are trying to learn Ubuntu?
>>
>
> I am reading alt.os.linux.ubuntu at present, and about half of the
> messages is from Windows users "trashing" Linux.

As I would expect, today and for the last several weeks, at least. But what
about a year ago? Five years ago? Or any time before Moshe started his
campaign? What about people simply trolling for the sake of trolling,
attacking anyone with any handy excuse? You get much of that?

> Personally, I would not necessarily want them to fully go away, but
> cutting down on volume would be wonderful.

Well, trolls *can_be* entertaining, and can help one sharpen one's own wits.
However, they mostly just annoy and get in the way of doing my "job".

> Sometimes I succumb to my own trolling instincts and post some Windows
> trashing messages, but it is not often.

Same here, only I try to remember that I have nothing against Linux or it's
honest users/developers/etc. I tend to simply flame the trolls who start
things, arguing them into a corner they can't dig their way out of, which, I
admit sometimes has me taunting them with the usual list of Linux failings,
real and apocryphal. Mostly, though, I make it personal and attack with
maximum viciousness, just because it's feels so good to let go every once in
a while and the jerks (usually) deserve it. It's incredibly cathartic, <s>.

> --
> Due to extreme spam originating from Google Groups, and their
> inattention
> to spammers, I and many others block all articles originating
> from Google Groups. If you want your postings to be seen by
> more readers you will need to find a different means of
> posting on Usenet.
> http://improve-usenet.org/

Hadn't noticed that our SPAM was coming from Google Groups. I'll have to
take a closer look. But it only amounts to an average of less than one per
day per group, probably due to our new, INCREDIBLY overactive news server
monitors. I'm not absolutely certain, but I believe that overzealousness
caused several hundred of my posts to be prematurely removed from the MS
server, which is where I read. That or I wasn't being paranoid and someone
really IS out to get me, <g>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

Your points have already been addressed in my replies to others. I think
I've explained myself sufficiently. However, the facts that I'm aware of,
including comments from some Linux fans, is that your "leaps & bounds"
description is, well, highly exaggerated. I've been hearing the same thing
for several years , now, with the facts being that Linux development for
consumer and SOHO versions is proceeding at something more resembling a
snail's pace. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, just like I'll be happy to
be proven wrong when I say that the much vaunted Windows 7 won't be released
until well past it's target date, that it will take MUCH longer than
previous versions of Windows to get debugged by the public, and thus Vista
will end up being the ruling OS until sometime after 2013-2015.

A failure to produce a truly new Windows this time (as was promised all
through the development of Vista), will perhaps be the only opening for
Linux to gain any real market share during the next decade.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
news:jPFmk.6091$Ep1.1267@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>* Gary S. Terhune peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> I still can't figure out why, if Linux is so wonderful, you folks aren't
>> busy making it more palatable to the consumer instead of mass-trolling
>> this
>> Windows group.
>
> 1. Linux has made great leaps and bounds for "palatability".
> Progress is ongoing.
>
> 2. Some idiot cross-posted just to start a fight.
>
>> Oh, I get it: Linux User = Troll. Which of course isn't true, but I don't
>> for the life of me comprehend why you aren't being lined up against the
>> wall
>> and shot by real Linux users. For me, you're just entertainment,
>> sometimes
>> just a nuisance. For REAL Linux users, you are all just a big mess of bad
>> press.
>
> You may well be the Windows counterpart of that. Especially with those
> initials after your name.
>
>> NOW I GET IT! You folks don't actually know how to use Linux and are just
>> wasting your time in Linux groups as a front for your real activities.
>> Trolling this group and perhaps other MS groups.
>>
>> How sad for the world of Linux.
>
> Stop by COLA and see how Windows users operate there.
>
> --
> Rube Walker: "Hey, Yogi, what time is it?"
> Yogi Berra: "You mean now?"

 

[Moshe Goldfarb.]

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:09:33 -0700, Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Your points have already been addressed in my replies to others. I think
> I've explained myself sufficiently. However, the facts that I'm aware of,
> including comments from some Linux fans, is that your "leaps & bounds"
> description is, well, highly exaggerated. I've been hearing the same thing
> for several years , now, with the facts being that Linux development for
> consumer and SOHO versions is proceeding at something more resembling a
> snail's pace.

I've been hearing the same thing for 15+ years.
In the Linux community, every year is *the year of desktop Linux*.
It hasn't happened yet.

As for development, Linux is getting better in "leaps & bounds" however
it's still being ignored by Joe consumer and until it can offer something
better than Windows for Joe, that will make it worth switching. Linux will
remain a niche OS.


> I'll be happy to be proven wrong, just like I'll be happy to
> be proven wrong when I say that the much vaunted Windows 7 won't be released
> until well past it's target date, that it will take MUCH longer than
> previous versions of Windows to get debugged by the public, and thus Vista
> will end up being the ruling OS until sometime after 2013-2015.

If this is indeed the case, Linux has a golden opportunity that it really
should take advantage of.


> A failure to produce a truly new Windows this time (as was promised all
> through the development of Vista), will perhaps be the only opening for
> Linux to gain any real market share during the next decade.

Linux is right on the edge at the moment IMHO and it could go either way.
Vista IMHO is total crap and if Linux can't take on Vista, Linux is dead as
far as a desktop system.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/