Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

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Jerry White wrote:
> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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>
>>Jerry White wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>news:epw93DR4HHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme
>>>>>>>>memory loss.
>>>>>>>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that
>>>>>>>>reference
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim.
>>>>>>>Either provide proof or piss off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>hahaha...try harder you moron!
>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nice proof... or lack there of...
>>>>
>>>>Gave up already huh?
>>>
>>>
>>>On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end,
>>>which you refuse to produce.
>>
>>hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that my
>>friend is my response.
>
>
> Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The
> burden of proof is on you.
>
>
Google! Got it?
Google! Got it?
Google! Got it?
Frank
 
Clenna Lumina wrote:

> You must be living in an old abandoned mine if you really think Linux gone
> no where. It has bene continuually growing over the years and has gotten
> beter and more and more people have switched to it (partly due to Vista no
> doubt.)
>

Bullsh*t!
Frank
 
"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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> Jerry White wrote:
>> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>> news:eUE%23lab4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>news:eI5MQsV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:epw93DR4HHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme
>>>>>>>>>memory loss.
>>>>>>>>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that
>>>>>>>>>reference
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim.
>>>>>>>>Either provide proof or piss off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>hahaha...try harder you moron!
>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nice proof... or lack there of...
>>>>>
>>>>>Gave up already huh?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end,
>>>>which you refuse to produce.
>>>
>>>hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that my
>>>friend is my response.
>>
>>
>> Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The
>> burden of proof is on you.
> Google! Got it?
> Google! Got it?
> Google! Got it?

Cite a link! Got it?
 
"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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> Clenna Lumina wrote:
>
>> You must be living in an old abandoned mine if you really think Linux
>> gone no where. It has bene continuually growing over the years and has
>> gotten beter and more and more people have switched to it (partly due to
>> Vista no doubt.)
>>
>
> Bullsh*t!

In what way?
 
"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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> Stephan Rose wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:50:25 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>>>>news:MPG.212fd5d317dfd5f989904@adfree.Usenet.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
>>>>>>it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?
>>>>>
>>>>>Alias made a point of always being negative and suggesting that
>>>>>Ubuntu was the savior of the world
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I dare you to site a single example of when he actually said that.
>>>
>>>You must be either a newbie or brain dead or just a simple jackass.
>>>We all know what he did as we had to live (suffer) thru it all.
>>>Google him, if you know how.
>>>Otherwise STFU!!!
>>
>>
>> Actually frank, it would be difficult to find a post where Alias mentions
>> Ubuntu come to think of it.
>>
>> 99% of all his posts are you and him going back and forth at each other
>> )
>>
>>
>>
> Really...?
> Try harder, you'll be very surprised.

I haven't been able to find any posts of his mentioning "Ubuntu was the
savior of the world"...

you see to be havign trouble with the concept of burdern of proof... you say
he said it, then CITE AN EXAMPLE.
 
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <OFU#wuV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, fb@nospaner.cnm
> says...
>> Jerry White wrote:
>>
>> > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> > news:MPG.212fd5d317dfd5f989904@adfree.Usenet.com...
>> >
>> >>In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> >>
>> >>>You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
>> >>>it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?
>> >>
>> >>Alias made a point of always being negative and suggesting that
>> >>Ubuntu was the savior of the world
>> >
>> >
>> > I dare you to site a single example of when he actually said that.
>>
>> You must be either a newbie or brain dead or just a simple jackass.
>> We all know what he did as we had to live (suffer) thru it all.
>> Google him, if you know how.
>> Otherwise STFU!!!
>> Frank
>
> There are hundreds of posts where Alias suggests Ubuntu or Open Office
> as the solution to anyones problems with Microsoft. It's nice to see you
> get nasty when you've failed, shows your level of maturity to the world.

That's not the same as "Ubuntu was the savior of the world" as Frank
claimed. I've heard people in this group (possible Alias) say the Open
Office is a viable alternative, and similar with Ubuntu or other Linux
flavors. Whats wrong with that?
 
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <5inaqfF3pv8spU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
> says...
>> It's amazing how people like you just jump on the band wagon and show
>> that
>> you haven't even read the article.
>>
>> If you think Linux has been actually "cracked" then site an instance.
>> Anyone
>> can site and try over and over, or evne run an pllication that permutates
>> over every combination, and/or runs through a dictionary file. I hardly
>> call
>> that "cracking"... most would call that a admin asleep at the helm.
>
> Um, you didn't understand what I wrote - I use Windows and Linux and
> enjoy both, but, it clearly shows how ignorant users can compromise a
> system. The fault of a bad password is the same fault that windows users
> suffer, complete incompetence and ignorance.

True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things
happen.
 
In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
says...
> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things
> happen.

And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things that
happen.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:48:38 -0500, Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> wrote:

>I mean why (among other potential reasons) do you think people like Dell
>and HP use "restore disks/partitions" instead of giving people the
>software on individual CDs?

Money. Despite the fact that a CD in bulk probably doesn't run more than $0.10 to produce. That's $0.10 that goes into Dell and HP's pocket.
And when it totally craps out the user will have to buy a CD on their dime for $$$.$$.
Not the ten cents it would have cost Dell or HP to include with the machines.
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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.213157bc18d57479989911@adfree.Usenet.com...
> In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
> says...
>> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things
>> happen.
>
> And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things that
> happen.

So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because
Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users. You
don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it
grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of the
moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they
are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the
less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long
unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good thing
in the long run.

--
CL
 
In article <5ipkoiF3k79esU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
says...
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.213157bc18d57479989911@adfree.Usenet.com...
> > In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
> > says...
> >> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things
> >> happen.
> >
> > And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things that
> > happen.
>
> So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because
> Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users. You
> don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it
> grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of the
> moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they
> are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the
> less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long
> unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good thing
> in the long run.

And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of
computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces
so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of
the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the
ignorant people more and more each day.

What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME
user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to
screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but
the overall OS issue.

So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,
the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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Jerry White wrote:
> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
> news:%23p%23MoEc4HHA.5216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
>>Jerry White wrote:
>>
>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>news:eUE%23lab4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>news:eI5MQsV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:epw93DR4HHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme
>>>>>>>>>>memory loss.
>>>>>>>>>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that
>>>>>>>>>>reference
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim.
>>>>>>>>>Either provide proof or piss off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>hahaha...try harder you moron!
>>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nice proof... or lack there of...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gave up already huh?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end,
>>>>>which you refuse to produce.
>>>>
>>>>hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that my
>>>>friend is my response.
>>>
>>>
>>>Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The
>>>burden of proof is on you.
>>
>>Google! Got it?
>>Google! Got it?
>>Google! Got it?
>
>
> Cite a link! Got it?
>
>
Are you brain dead or what?
Google...GOT IT!
hehehe...you must be a newbie...lol!
Frank
 
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <5ipkoiF3k79esU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
> says...
>>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.213157bc18d57479989911@adfree.Usenet.com...
>> > In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
>> > says...
>> >> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb
>> >> things
>> >> happen.
>> >
>> > And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things
>> > that
>> > happen.
>>
>> So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because
>> Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users.
>> You
>> don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it
>> grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of
>> the
>> moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they
>> are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the
>> less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long
>> unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good
>> thing
>> in the long run.
>
> And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of
> computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces
> so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of
> the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the
> ignorant people more and more each day.

Only for basic tasks, but for anything more advanced it almost forces you to
learn more. Those who cannot learn will either just do basic things like web
and email (and likely not do the inital install themselves and other such
things that actually require some minimal knowldge), or they will stick with
Windows. In fact, the majority of people I see trying out Linux are either
"power users" who want to test it out (usually either no a spare or in a
virtual machine) or the clueless people who know little about what's going
on and just buy the newest version becasue that's what Microsoft tells them
to do with all that advertising.

> What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME
> user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to
> screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but
> the overall OS issue.

If a particular distobution of Linux is proven it have serious flaw than it
will suffer. At least linux has a rock solid core. It's what ever extra
stuff a given distrobution that could cause problems, and not the kernel
itself. That's the big difference I see between Linux and Windows.

> So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,
> the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

Mass adoption does not mean a system must be broken, so I don't see why you
are still stuck on that. It's entirely possible to create a home system that
rock solid and intelligent, and not one that throws random prompts and
messages (a la Vista's UAC) that can confuse the less than bright. If Vista
was so advanced instead of vinilla UAC it should try to identify potential
threats, etc.

Be it staying with XP or going Linux, either seems a better route than
Vista, which doesn't really bring anything new to the table. If a Linux
distrobution can be made so both advanced and no so advanced people can use
it, then that would be great. From what I've seen so far, I see no reason to
believe it's not already on that route.
 
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:12:33 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>>>>>>On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end,
>>>>>>which you refuse to produce.
>>>>>
>>>>>hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that my
>>>>>friend is my response.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The
>>>>burden of proof is on you.
>>>
>>>Google! Got it?
>>>Google! Got it?
>>>Google! Got it?
>>
>>
>> Cite a link! Got it?
>>
>>
>Are you brain dead or what?
>Google...GOT IT!
>hehehe...you must be a newbie...lol!
>Frank

More proof Frankie numbnuts is just an idiot, liar and screw-up.
 
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <5ipkoiF3k79esU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
> says...
>>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.213157bc18d57479989911@adfree.Usenet.com...
>> > In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
>> > says...
>> >> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb
>> >> things
>> >> happen.
>> >
>> > And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things
>> > that
>> > happen.
>>
>> So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because
>> Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users.
>> You
>> don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it
>> grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of
>> the
>> moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they
>> are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the
>> less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long
>> unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good
>> thing
>> in the long run.
>
> And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of
> computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces
> so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of
> the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the
> ignorant people more and more each day.
>
> What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME
> user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to
> screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but
> the overall OS issue.
>
> So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,
> the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

My only question is, "Who is actully responsible for Linux?" Linus writes
the kernel, others write drivers, the GNU tools, etc, ad nauseum, but where
does the buck actually stop? If they change things, break stuff ( Like what
happened with Vista) who does something about it? Who do you complain
to? Hey, if I buy the software pre loaded in a computer, and something
happens, or isn't working , what can I do, when I call the manufacturer,
and they say " Well, as soon as the ice melts, and the penguin is out..."

Doesn't make much sense to me to use it anymore. Like I said, when
it was really free, it was something... back in 1995 or so...

But then, the competition was DOS, and 32 bit systems were new.
*nix had an edge then. Not so much anymore. We'll see.

I miss Os/2.

Curtis
 
"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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> Jerry White wrote:
>> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>> news:%23p%23MoEc4HHA.5216@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>news:eUE%23lab4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:eI5MQsV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:epw93DR4HHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme
>>>>>>>>>>>memory loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that
>>>>>>>>>>>reference
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim.
>>>>>>>>>>Either provide proof or piss off.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>hahaha...try harder you moron!
>>>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nice proof... or lack there of...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gave up already huh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end,
>>>>>>which you refuse to produce.
>>>>>
>>>>>hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that
>>>>>my friend is my response.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The
>>>>burden of proof is on you.
>>>
>>>Google! Got it?
>>>Google! Got it?
>>>Google! Got it?
>>
>>
>> Cite a link! Got it?
> Are you brain dead or what?
> Google...GOT IT!
> hehehe...you must be a newbie...lol!

So you have no evidence to cite then. One just need to check your posting
history to be sure of that.

GoAT
 
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 21:51:42 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <5ipkoiF3k79esU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
>says...
>>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.213157bc18d57479989911@adfree.Usenet.com...
>> > In article <5ipce0F3q2hflU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
>> > says...
>> >> True. But the big difference is the frequency at which such dumb things
>> >> happen.
>> >
>> > And when the number of Ubuntu users increases so do the dumb things that
>> > happen.
>>
>> So far theres nothing to back that up. You're just guessing that because
>> Windows is so wide spread, you have a large amount no so bright users. You
>> don't know that the same will be the typical case in Linux as well as it
>> grows in population. But what you seem to really be missing is many of the
>> moving to Linux tend to be those who have at least soem clue of what they
>> are doing. That could be enough to make a significant difference. If the
>> less-than-bright types attempt to move I doubt they will last too long
>> unless they try and educate them sevles, which might actualy be a good thing
>> in the long run.

>And what you seem to be missing, having seen more than 30 years of
>computing, is that as the masses make moves, they dumb down interfaces
>so that the ignorant can use them, that Linux, having been a thing of
>the technical minded people, is starting to become a thing of the
>ignorant people more and more each day.

Well then if "they" whoever the hell that's suppose to be keeps
dumbing down interfaces then finally you and Frank, two of the most
clueless and ignorant bozos currently posting to this newsgroup I've
seen maybe you two some day will be able to learn how to use a
computer to maybe if you're lucky type your name in Notepad and manage
to save the file and be able to get it back on the third or fourth
try.
>
>What you will see is that the versions of Linux marketed at the HOME
>user, the non-technical user, will provide an opportunity for them to
>screw up, and that's the overall OS issue, not really a linux issue, but
>the overall OS issue.
>
>So, as with everything, as the masses adopt it, stupid things get done,
>the more that adopt it the more stupid things.....

I haven't seen anything more stupid than the two idiots named Frank
and Leythos flapping their gums pretending to be computer experts.
Damn funny show boys, keep it up.

Hint: Neither of you losers known sh*t about computers or software or
any OS in particular. You faking that you do no doubt has many rolling
on the floor in bouts of uncontrolled laughter. You know nothing. Not
a damn thing. Nada, zip. Anybody reading the slop you two idiots write
understands that perfectly.
 
In article <5ipr3qF3r2cikU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
says...
> Mass adoption does not mean a system must be broken, so I don't see why you
> are still stuck on that. It's entirely possible to create a home system that
> rock solid and intelligent, and not one that throws random prompts and
> messages (a la Vista's UAC) that can confuse the less than bright. If Vista
> was so advanced instead of vinilla UAC it should try to identify potential
> threats, etc.

I'm not stuck on it, but, having used Ubuntu and found many issues, I
don't see where the non-technical user is going to be much better off
with it. Sure, as long as they only do what is included, never try and
do anything else, as long as they never learn the word ROOT, they might
just be OK for the basics, but, as with everything, more than enough
non-technical users will break things and that will lead to exploits
being used...

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
 
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 23:44:31 -0400, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <5ipr3qF3r2cikU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
>says...
>> Mass adoption does not mean a system must be broken, so I don't see why you
>> are still stuck on that. It's entirely possible to create a home system that
>> rock solid and intelligent, and not one that throws random prompts and
>> messages (a la Vista's UAC) that can confuse the less than bright. If Vista
>> was so advanced instead of vinilla UAC it should try to identify potential
>> threats, etc.
>
>I'm not stuck on it, but, having used Ubuntu and found many issues, I
>don't see where the non-technical user is going to be much better off
>with it. Sure, as long as they only do what is included, never try and
>do anything else, as long as they never learn the word ROOT, they might
>just be OK for the basics, but, as with everything, more than enough
>non-technical users will break things and that will lead to exploits
>being used...

This newsgroup was already infested with no nothing blowhards before
you showed up to add to the noise level. Why are you here pissing into
the wind?
 
Adam Albright wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:12:33 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>>>On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end,
>>>>>>>which you refuse to produce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that my
>>>>>>friend is my response.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The
>>>>>burden of proof is on you.
>>>>
>>>>Google! Got it?
>>>>Google! Got it?
>>>>Google! Got it?
>>>
>>>
>>>Cite a link! Got it?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Are you brain dead or what?
>>Google...GOT IT!
>>hehehe...you must be a newbie...lol!
>>Frank
>
>
> More proof Frankie numbnuts is just an idiot, liar and screw-up.
>

Drunk again, huh?
So what else is new?
Frank
 

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