Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

[Mr. Arnold]

"The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'"
<none@non.not> wrote in message news:fa513l$7j3$2@aioe.org...
> Leythos wrote:
>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>
>> Interesting to see that you felt it was important to direct this thread
>> to a group it wasn't part of.
>>
>> Richard posted to Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
>>
>> And you've changed the thread to include:
>> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
>>
>> Why did you feel the need to start trolling the group that way? Certainly
>> you just made it off-topic like you're complaining.
>>
>
> You are trying to change the subject again. Did you forget to take your
> ADD medication this morning?

The mob needs tar-and-feather and run you out of town too, because you're
nothing but a troll.

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:50:25 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Jerry White wrote:
>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.212fd5d317dfd5f989904@adfree.Usenet.com...
>>
>>>In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>
>>>>You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
>>>>it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?
>>>
>>>Alias made a point of always being negative and suggesting that
>>>Ubuntu was the savior of the world
>>
>>
>> I dare you to site a single example of when he actually said that.
>
> You must be either a newbie or brain dead or just a simple jackass.
> We all know what he did as we had to live (suffer) thru it all.
> Google him, if you know how.
> Otherwise STFU!!!

Actually frank, it would be difficult to find a post where Alias mentions
Ubuntu come to think of it.

99% of all his posts are you and him going back and forth at each other )



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[Robert Moir]

"Curtis D. Levin" <cdlevin@spammelater.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:snmxi.6328$7e6.4084@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...
>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by doing
>> something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>
> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
> probably wasn't pro vista.

So you're saying you can talk about whatever you like as long as you're "Pro
Vista"?

I hope we don't get visited by a group of Vista loving pig infertility
clinic technicians, that's all I can say.

 

[Leythos]

In article <5inac8F3pbpa4U1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
says...
> It really depends on the person, but in general over the years I found
> Windows users for the most part to be less knowledgeable of how thier
> computer works than a typical Linux or Unix user.

But you need to consider that until the last few years, most home users
were unable to install Linux because there was no simple setup GUI and
most hardware was not supported.

As Linux becomes more "home user friendly" it will be exposed more and
more and more - this is what will show just how stupid users really are,
and it will put Linux in the same boat as Windows when it comes to
stupid things people do that compromise systems.

(removed windowsxp.general)

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[Leythos]

In article <5inaqfF3pv8spU1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
says...
> It's amazing how people like you just jump on the band wagon and show that
> you haven't even read the article.
>
> If you think Linux has been actually "cracked" then site an instance. Anyone
> can site and try over and over, or evne run an pllication that permutates
> over every combination, and/or runs through a dictionary file. I hardly call
> that "cracking"... most would call that a admin asleep at the helm.

Um, you didn't understand what I wrote - I use Windows and Linux and
enjoy both, but, it clearly shows how ignorant users can compromise a
system. The fault of a bad password is the same fault that windows users
suffer, complete incompetence and ignorance.

This clearly shows that a Linux box, under use/control by ignorant
users, can be compromised, and it's just that simple.

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[Leythos]

In article <OFU#wuV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, fb@nospaner.cnm
says...
> Jerry White wrote:
>
> > "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.212fd5d317dfd5f989904@adfree.Usenet.com...
> >
> >>In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> >>
> >>>You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
> >>>it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?
> >>
> >>Alias made a point of always being negative and suggesting that
> >>Ubuntu was the savior of the world
> >
> >
> > I dare you to site a single example of when he actually said that.
>
> You must be either a newbie or brain dead or just a simple jackass.
> We all know what he did as we had to live (suffer) thru it all.
> Google him, if you know how.
> Otherwise STFU!!!
> Frank

There are hundreds of posts where Alias suggests Ubuntu or Open Office
as the solution to anyones problems with Microsoft. It's nice to see you
get nasty when you've failed, shows your level of maturity to the world.

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[Curtis D. Levin]

"Wayne Poe" <louis@h4h.com> wrote in message
news:5inbtcF3qm784U1@mid.individual.net...
> It can, but it's not so much Linux but either bad software or improperly
> configured software. Again, that is a sizable difference when you compare
> to all the security flaws at Window's core, which includes IE (ever since
> they integrated it into Explorer back in Win 98.) Just look at how many
> exploits are found at the _core_ and sometimes patches are then released
> to try to fix them and sometimes new one arises. Problems at the core
> problems are generally not an issue in Linux, but rather the different
> softwares that run with in.

Yeah, and it was indeed an issue back then, especially with netscape.

IIRC, they got taken to court over that. But the biggest part of it
was that there was a lot of bad blood over it. Microsoft's point
was that it would be easier to use. But everyone cried monopoly.

SO Microsoft wanted to do something different. In the long
run, I think they accomplished what they set out to do, albeit
with some setbacks. But there's motive there. Impossible for me
to believe that there aren't dark forces at work against MS
and Vista even today. Serious programmers, not just hackers,
reverse engineering the code, looking for flaws, and/or creating
them even if they didn't exist. Criminal acts entirely. But no matter
what, Microsoft was the bad guy then.

Funny how things change.

> Bottom line, security patches help, doing your job as a system's
> administrator is even better. There just sin't any substitute for that
> imho.
That's the truest statement I've read in this thread so far.

Curtis

 

[HeyBub]

The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy
>> Well, isn't your complaining about the post being off-topic itself
>> off-topic? It's off-topic squared.
>>
>> In other words, isn't a complaint about something being off-topic an
>> example of hypocrisy?
>>
>>
>
> And what does this post of yours complaining about my 'OT' post
> accomplish? The same thing, but cubed.

I didn't 'complain,' I simply observed. And asked a question.

In my view, complaing about an OT post is, by definition, off-topic.

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:48:20 -0400, Leythos wrote:

> In article <5inac8F3pbpa4U1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
> says...
>> It really depends on the person, but in general over the years I found
>> Windows users for the most part to be less knowledgeable of how thier
>> computer works than a typical Linux or Unix user.
>
> But you need to consider that until the last few years, most home users
> were unable to install Linux because there was no simple setup GUI and
> most hardware was not supported.
>
> As Linux becomes more "home user friendly" it will be exposed more and
> more and more - this is what will show just how stupid users really are,
> and it will put Linux in the same boat as Windows when it comes to
> stupid things people do that compromise systems.
>

That is one thing I gotta agree with. You can't protect *any* operating
system against a user that willingly agrees to or attempts to destroy it. =)

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[Mike]

In article <5inac8F3pbpa4U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Clenna Lumina" <savagebeaste@yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.21300b676c2f8ba4989906@adfree.Usenet.com...
> > In article <eg9VVuR4HHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
> > noone@afakeddomain.net says...
> >> And that same zealotry mantra of the ignorant can be seen from the
> >> windows side too.
> >
> > Yep, it's not something that is unique to ANY OS. I use to know a couple
> > network admins that logged in as a root level account on AIX for their
> > daily work - they said it made thing simpler
>
> It really depends on the person, but in general over the years I found
> Windows users for the most part to be less knowledgeable of how thier
> computer works than a typical Linux or Unix user.

Which is why Windows dominates (and OS X is gaining users) and Linux is
still going nowhere after 10 years of "This year is the year of LOTD!".
Linux is still for geeks and servers. People don't want/need to know
"how their computer works" any more than they want/need to know how
their TV, cell phone or microwave oven works. They just want to turn
it on and use it.

Mike

 

[Jerry White]

"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
news:eI5MQsV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Jerry White wrote:
>
>> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>> news:epw93DR4HHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme memory
>>>>>loss.
>>>>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that
>>>>>reference
>>>>
>>>>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.
>>>>
>>>>>Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim. Either
>>>>provide proof or piss off.
>>>
>>>hahaha...try harder you moron!
>>>Frank
>>
>>
>> Nice proof... or lack there of...
> Gave up already huh?

On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end, which
you refuse to produce.

 

[Clenna Lumina]

"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
news:et8uFtV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Clenna Lumina wrote:
>
>> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>> news:OuoxYPR4HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>news:u3oQBPJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:e2iNr6D4HHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>norm wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Leythos wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In article <ewyqpdD4HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, none@nospam
>>>>>>>>>says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Actually it's probably a bit of both. Straight hacking a random
>>>>>>>>>>Linux box, good luck. It's when things like root-kits somehow get
>>>>>>>>>>installed (usually by a clueless admin being fooled by some advert
>>>>>>>>>>on the web, irc, etc) that's the big cause of infiltrations. This
>>>>>>>>>>is true of any OS that can be accessed remotely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But that fits the target audience for Ubuntu, clueless users
>>>>>>>>>running as root.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ubuntu, by default, does not run as root. The only default way to
>>>>>>>>gain root is as superuser, and that access is limited only to the
>>>>>>>>person that creates the original user account. And the original user
>>>>>>>>is the only one that can create secondary accounts with ANY
>>>>>>>>privileges. In other words, clueless users running as root is very
>>>>>>>>much an oxymoron.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Administrator is disabled by default in Vista.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually most preinstalled systems (hp, etc) have accounts with
>>>>>>administrative priviliages (or at least you don't need to need a
>>>>>>user/pass when you're prompted to do this or that...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And fresh installs, even if you aren't using admin, you need admin
>>>>>>credientials to do a lot of things, where as on linux you can setup
>>>>>>predetermined commands and such lower users can use (eg sudo and
>>>>>>such.)
>>>>>
>>>>>No, not really. Super root/super admin is disabled by default in all
>>>>>installs of Vista.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sorry, but no it's not. I've seen many OEM systems from the store that
>>>>run with admin priviliages. Go to your local Bestbuy or other store with
>>>>display computers and try a few out, you may be suprised.
>>>
>>>BS!
>>>I've yet to see any Dell, HP or Toshiba OEM's with Administrator
>>>(Computer Management/Local Users and Groups/Users/Administrator) enabled.
>>
>>
>> Actually many of them do. They are either in administrator or something
>> close to administrator that's high enough not to require you to enter the
>> administrator password when you get those prompts (like when installing
>> applications.) Either way it's high enough to do plenty of damage should
>> you let your kids or visiting cousin, etc, use your comp (and IE7) for a
>> little while.
>>
>> It's more common than either you think or like to admit.
> Sorry pal, but that's not root or super administrator and that's what I'm
> talking about.

In Vista it is. Even if it's not 100% super user, anytime you can do
administrative tasks by just answering "yes" when it asks you if you want to
proceed, then it might as well be. The same damage can be done, so what's
the difference. For the record, I was at bestbuy this morning and several
brands were in fact running as a user in the administrators group.

 

[keepout@yahoo.com.invalid]

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:40:44 -0500, Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> wrote:

>That is one thing I gotta agree with. You can't protect *any* operating
>system against a user that willingly agrees to or attempts to destroy it. =)

You really need to quit quoting Gates. [64k ram should be enough for anyone].
FWIW: The Commodore 64 system was safe against any and all threats.
You turned it off, and the problems gone, never to return.
There was 1 failed attempt to infect the C= 64's.
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[Frank]

Jerry White wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
> news:eI5MQsV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>>Jerry White wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>news:epw93DR4HHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme memory
>>>>>>loss.
>>>>>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that
>>>>>>reference
>>>>>
>>>>>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim. Either
>>>>>provide proof or piss off.
>>>>
>>>>hahaha...try harder you moron!
>>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>Nice proof... or lack there of...
>>
>>Gave up already huh?
>
>
> On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end, which
> you refuse to produce.
>
>
hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that my
friend is my response.
Live with it!
Frank

 

[Frank]

Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:50:25 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
>
>>Jerry White wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>>>news:MPG.212fd5d317dfd5f989904@adfree.Usenet.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
>>>>>it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?
>>>>
>>>>Alias made a point of always being negative and suggesting that
>>>>Ubuntu was the savior of the world
>>>
>>>
>>>I dare you to site a single example of when he actually said that.
>>
>>You must be either a newbie or brain dead or just a simple jackass.
>>We all know what he did as we had to live (suffer) thru it all.
>>Google him, if you know how.
>>Otherwise STFU!!!
>
>
> Actually frank, it would be difficult to find a post where Alias mentions
> Ubuntu come to think of it.
>
> 99% of all his posts are you and him going back and forth at each other )
>
>
>
Really...?
Try harder, you'll be very surprised.
Frank

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:09:10 -0400, Mike wrote:

> In article <5inac8F3pbpa4U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Clenna Lumina" <savagebeaste@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.21300b676c2f8ba4989906@adfree.Usenet.com...
>> > In article <eg9VVuR4HHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
>> > noone@afakeddomain.net says...
>> >> And that same zealotry mantra of the ignorant can be seen from the
>> >> windows side too.
>> >
>> > Yep, it's not something that is unique to ANY OS. I use to know a couple
>> > network admins that logged in as a root level account on AIX for their
>> > daily work - they said it made thing simpler
>>
>> It really depends on the person, but in general over the years I found
>> Windows users for the most part to be less knowledgeable of how thier
>> computer works than a typical Linux or Unix user.
>
> Which is why Windows dominates (and OS X is gaining users) and Linux is
> still going nowhere after 10 years of "This year is the year of LOTD!".
> Linux is still for geeks and servers. People don't want/need to know
> "how their computer works" any more than they want/need to know how
> their TV, cell phone or microwave oven works. They just want to turn
> it on and use it.

If you want to go by that then *any* operating system that doesn't come
pre-installed (note the keyword there) is only for geeks and servers.

To install an OS requires a person to know how their computer works else
they wouldn't know what drivers to install, how to configure it, and so
on. That applies to any version of Windows as much as it applies to Linux
or any other operating system.

I mean why (among other potential reasons) do you think people like Dell
and HP use "restore disks/partitions" instead of giving people the
software on individual CDs? The majority of people wouldn't be able to
reinstall and configure everything manually, windows or not.

So really, it boils down to that for the masses, the system needs to come
pre-installed, pre-configured and ready to use. At that point in time, any
system that comes with an OS in that needs, no matter what said OS may be,
is going to work for the user as long as the software available for said
OS meets all the users needs.

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[Stephan Rose]

On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 09:44:45 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:50:25 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>>>>news:MPG.212fd5d317dfd5f989904@adfree.Usenet.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
>>>>>>it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?
>>>>>
>>>>>Alias made a point of always being negative and suggesting that
>>>>>Ubuntu was the savior of the world
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I dare you to site a single example of when he actually said that.
>>>
>>>You must be either a newbie or brain dead or just a simple jackass.
>>>We all know what he did as we had to live (suffer) thru it all.
>>>Google him, if you know how.
>>>Otherwise STFU!!!
>>
>>
>> Actually frank, it would be difficult to find a post where Alias mentions
>> Ubuntu come to think of it.
>>
>> 99% of all his posts are you and him going back and forth at each other )
>>
>>
>>
> Really...?
> Try harder, you'll be very surprised.
> Frank

haha, I don't need to. I'm quite aware of his posts. But still, your two's
fighting still by far outnumbers his ubuntu posts. =)

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[Jerry White]

"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
news:eUE%23lab4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Jerry White wrote:
>
>> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>> news:eI5MQsV4HHA.5880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>news:epw93DR4HHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme
>>>>>>>memory loss.
>>>>>>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that
>>>>>>>reference
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim.
>>>>>>Either provide proof or piss off.
>>>>>
>>>>>hahaha...try harder you moron!
>>>>>Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Nice proof... or lack there of...
>>>
>>>Gave up already huh?
>>
>>
>> On what? I'm still waiting for some semblance of proof from your end,
>> which you refuse to produce.
> hahaha...try google and you'll find your so called "proof"...and that my
> friend is my response.

Cite a link or just admit it doesn't exist, as I've yet to find it. The
burden of proof is on you.

 

[Jerry White]

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.2130a68e5ae0488398990a@adfree.Usenet.com...
> In article <5inac8F3pbpa4U1@mid.individual.net>, savagebeaste@yahoo.com
> says...
>> It really depends on the person, but in general over the years I found
>> Windows users for the most part to be less knowledgeable of how thier
>> computer works than a typical Linux or Unix user.
>
> But you need to consider that until the last few years, most home users
> were unable to install Linux because there was no simple setup GUI and
> most hardware was not supported.

Plenty of hardware was supported, just not always in a direct way. As far as
setting it up, it actually required that you knew what you were doing, which
in some ways was not such a bad thing. I'd like ot see more people educated
in how to actually use computers rather than the hords of ignorants you have
today.

> As Linux becomes more "home user friendly" it will be exposed more and
> more and more - this is what will show just how stupid users really are,
> and it will put Linux in the same boat as Windows when it comes to
> stupid things people do that compromise systems.

You still don't understand that the article didn't "expose" any thing in
Linux itself. It only exposed what happens when admins don't do thier job,
which is true of any OS.

 

[Clenna Lumina]

"Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message
news:no-97BCC4.12085518082007@news.supernews.com...
> In article <5inac8F3pbpa4U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Clenna Lumina" <savagebeaste@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.21300b676c2f8ba4989906@adfree.Usenet.com...
>> > In article <eg9VVuR4HHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
>> > noone@afakeddomain.net says...
>> >> And that same zealotry mantra of the ignorant can be seen from the
>> >> windows side too.
>> >
>> > Yep, it's not something that is unique to ANY OS. I use to know a
>> > couple
>> > network admins that logged in as a root level account on AIX for their
>> > daily work - they said it made thing simpler
>>
>> It really depends on the person, but in general over the years I found
>> Windows users for the most part to be less knowledgeable of how thier
>> computer works than a typical Linux or Unix user.
>
> Which is why Windows dominates (and OS X is gaining users) and Linux is
> still going nowhere after 10 years of "This year is the year of LOTD!".

You must be living in an old abandoned mine if you really think Linux gone
no where. It has bene continuually growing over the years and has gotten
beter and more and more people have switched to it (partly due to Vista no
doubt.)

> Linux is still for geeks and servers.

It's used for servers a plenty, but its no logner *just* for thme so stop
trying to portray your clouded vision as reality, because it's far from it.

> People don't want/need to know "how their computer works" any more
> than they want/need to know how their TV, cell phone or microwave
> oven works. They just want to turn it on and use it.

Computers and typical house hold applicances are two differnt breeds of
animals. In computers, to really do anything useful, you must know what you
are doing. Becasue of Windows, you have hords of clueless morons who
continuely whine to tech support lines and can't even describe their
problem.

why *shouldn't* computer users have *some* education so they aren't just
utter clueless? One should have at least a basic idea of how things work in
order to use it.