Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>>>>>
>>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are
>>>>> vulnerable!
>>>>>
>>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?
>>>
>>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
>>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
>>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
>>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
>>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
>>> decades of warnings.
>>>

>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>
> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
> they claim.


What is the point of refuting a claim made by a poster who no longer
posts in this group? Is there some strange MVP time machine we don't
know about or something?

And if he is going to "refute a claim" as you put it, why would the OP
not reply to a post that made that claim?

So if as you claim, he is refuting a claim which has not been made in
this group recently by a poster who doesn't post here anymore...

Still none of this explains away or justifies why he is posting about a
subject that he had through mob action with other posters harassed
another poster out of the group for.

>
> My guess is that you'll not see any (or very few) posts sourcing
> information about Linux after a week.
>
> You have to admit, it was a very disruptive amount of crap because of
> zealotry in the OS.
>


If you are going to respond to my posts, please have the courtesy to
address the issue at hand and not sidestep the subject with your response.

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"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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> Jerry White wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.

>
> Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme memory
> loss.
> Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that reference
> from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.
> Frank


I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim. Either
provide proof or piss off.
 
"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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> Jerry White wrote:
>
>> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>> news:e2iNr6D4HHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>norm wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Leythos wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <ewyqpdD4HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, none@nospam says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually it's probably a bit of both. Straight hacking a random Linux
>>>>>>box, good luck. It's when things like root-kits somehow get installed
>>>>>>(usually by a clueless admin being fooled by some advert on the web,
>>>>>>irc, etc) that's the big cause of infiltrations. This is true of any
>>>>>>OS that can be accessed remotely.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>But that fits the target audience for Ubuntu, clueless users running as
>>>>>root.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ubuntu, by default, does not run as root. The only default way to gain
>>>>root is as superuser, and that access is limited only to the person that
>>>>creates the original user account. And the original user is the only one
>>>>that can create secondary accounts with ANY privileges. In other words,
>>>>clueless users running as root is very much an oxymoron.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Administrator is disabled by default in Vista.

>>
>>
>> Actually most preinstalled systems (hp, etc) have accounts with
>> administrative priviliages (or at least you don't need to need a
>> user/pass when you're prompted to do this or that...)
>>
>> And fresh installs, even if you aren't using admin, you need admin
>> credientials to do a lot of things, where as on linux you can setup
>> predetermined commands and such lower users can use (eg sudo and such.)

>
> No, not really. Super root/super admin is disabled by default in all
> installs of Vista.


Sorry, but no it's not. I've seen many OEM systems from the store that run
with admin priviliages. Go to your local Bestbuy or other store with display
computers and try a few out, you may be suprised.
 
In article <fa4up0$td$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> >> Leythos wrote:
> >>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> >>>> Richard Urban wrote:
> >>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
> >>>>>
> >>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are
> >>>>> vulnerable!
> >>>>>
> >>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
> >>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
> >>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
> >>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?
> >>>
> >>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
> >>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
> >>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
> >>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
> >>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
> >>> decades of warnings.
> >>>
> >> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
> >> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

> >
> > Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
> > topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
> > that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
> > they claim.

>
> What is the point of refuting a claim made by a poster who no longer
> posts in this group? Is there some strange MVP time machine we don't
> know about or something?


Because this is a PUBLIC group read all over the world and some people
may fall for the zealotry mantra of the ignorant.

> And if he is going to "refute a claim" as you put it, why would the OP
> not reply to a post that made that claim?


No idea, many people don't feel the need to reply.

> So if as you claim, he is refuting a claim which has not been made in
> this group recently by a poster who doesn't post here anymore...
>
> Still none of this explains away or justifies why he is posting about a
> subject that he had through mob action with other posters harassed
> another poster out of the group for.


LOL - Alias left, if he left, because he lost what ever motivated him to
spout discontent and anything anti-MS like he's been doing for years.

> > My guess is that you'll not see any (or very few) posts sourcing
> > information about Linux after a week.
> >
> > You have to admit, it was a very disruptive amount of crap because of
> > zealotry in the OS.
> >

>
> If you are going to respond to my posts, please have the courtesy to
> address the issue at hand and not sidestep the subject with your response.


So stop trolling then.

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> Richard Urban wrote:
>> > So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>> >
>> > Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>> >
>> > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>> >
>> > People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems
>> > are
>> > vulnerable!
>> >

>>
>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

>
> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
> that the masses with Windows have.


It was "rooted" at all. Someone just brute forced their way in. Trying
combination after combination (probably root + a generated password, etc etc
etc etc...) until they got in. Anyone watching the logs would of caught onto
this quickly.

The problem wasn't Linux at all, it was lack of admins paying attention. Get
over it.
 
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>> > In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> >> Richard Urban wrote:
>> >>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>> >>>
>> >>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems
>> >>> are
>> >>> vulnerable!
>> >>>
>> >> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>> >> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>> >> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>> >> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard
>> >> here)?
>> >
>> > I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
>> > secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
>> > that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
>> > be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
>> > problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
>> > decades of warnings.
>> >

>>
>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>
> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
> they claim.


The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless
admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how
often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?
 
In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

Interesting to see that you felt it was important to direct this thread
to a group it wasn't part of.

Richard posted to Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

And you've changed the thread to include:
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

Why did you feel the need to start trolling the group that way?
Certainly you just made it off-topic like you're complaining.

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"Curtis D. Levin" <cdlevin@spammelater.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...
>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by doing
>> something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>
> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
> probably wasn't pro vista.
>
> The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't
> bulletproof.


For the most part it is. How ever the article wasn't about a security
problem in Linux, rather about admins at some data center not doing thier
jobs. That's a world of a difference.
 
In article <5imefqF3m3hpaU1@mid.individual.net>, louis@h4h.com says...
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.212fc5ecf8f7e8289898fe@adfree.Usenet.com...
> > In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> >> Leythos wrote:
> >> > In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> >> >> Richard Urban wrote:
> >> >>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
> >> >>>
> >> >>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems
> >> >>> are
> >> >>> vulnerable!
> >> >>>
> >> >> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
> >> >> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
> >> >> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
> >> >> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard
> >> >> here)?
> >> >
> >> > I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
> >> > secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
> >> > that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
> >> > be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
> >> > problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
> >> > decades of warnings.
> >> >
> >>
> >> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
> >> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

> >
> > Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
> > topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
> > that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
> > they claim.

>
> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless
> admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how
> often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?


And that would follow the ignorant masses problem that all OS's suffer.
which is the point of my post. You have Zealots stating the XYZ is safer
and that it can't be hacked and then when they are disproven, for the
same reasons that many Windows boxes are hacked, they get disgruntled.

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Wayne Poe wrote:
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.212fc5ecf8f7e8289898fe@adfree.Usenet.com...
>> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> vulnerable!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>>>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>>>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>>>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard
>>>>> here)?
>>>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
>>>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
>>>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
>>>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
>>>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
>>>> decades of warnings.
>>>>
>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
>> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
>> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
>> they claim.

>
> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless
> admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how
> often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?
>
>


So how is this not off topic?

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>
> Interesting to see that you felt it was important to direct this thread
> to a group it wasn't part of.
>
> Richard posted to Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
>
> And you've changed the thread to include:
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
>
> Why did you feel the need to start trolling the group that way?
> Certainly you just made it off-topic like you're complaining.
>


You are trying to change the subject again. Did you forget to take your
ADD medication this morning?

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <5imefqF3m3hpaU1@mid.individual.net>, louis@h4h.com says...
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.212fc5ecf8f7e8289898fe@adfree.Usenet.com...
>>> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> vulnerable!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>>>>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>>>>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>>>>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard
>>>>>> here)?
>>>>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
>>>>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
>>>>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
>>>>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
>>>>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
>>>>> decades of warnings.
>>>>>
>>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>>> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
>>> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
>>> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
>>> they claim.

>> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless
>> admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how
>> often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?

>
> And that would follow the ignorant masses problem that all OS's suffer.
> which is the point of my post. You have Zealots stating the XYZ is safer
> and that it can't be hacked and then when they are disproven, for the
> same reasons that many Windows boxes are hacked, they get disgruntled.
>


You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?

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"Wayne Poe" <louis@h4h.com> wrote in message
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> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was
> clueless admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in.
> Just how often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows,
> hmmm?


Ah, but clueless admins are a security problem, because the
machines they administer were attacking others. By others,
I would wager that it was probably us.

In the amateur service ( ham radio ) you are held liable for
what it is your station does. Too bad the internet isn't
regulated the same way. Imagine being held responsible for
someone using your stuff wrong. Might keep you on your toes.

Curtis
 
Jerry White wrote:
> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
> news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>>Jerry White wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.

>>
>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme memory
>>loss.
>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that reference
>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.
>>Frank

>
>
> I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim. Either
> provide proof or piss off.
>
>


hahaha...try harder you moron!
Frank
 
In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
> it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?


Because you are a zealot complaining for other zealots to jump in and
defend your BS position. Alias made a point of always being negative and
suggesting that Ubuntu was the savior of the world, which any non-Zealot
that uses linux would know is a lie. The MVP's don't make a effort to
distrup the groups like others do.

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In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
> it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?


How about you clean up your act before you start complaining about
others. You added the windowsxp.general group to this thread without
notice, for no good reason, to stir up more crap.



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"Wayne Poe" <louis@h4h.com> wrote in message
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> "Curtis D. Levin" <cdlevin@spammelater.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:snmxi.6328$7e6.4084@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...
>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>>
>> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
>> probably wasn't pro vista.
>>
>> The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't
>> bulletproof.

>
> For the most part it is. How ever the article wasn't about a security
> problem in Linux, rather about admins at some data center not doing thier
> jobs. That's a world of a difference.


Not to me it isn't. Their machines were attacking others. That, is
a security problem, by every definition of the word.

If someone else other than them is expected to do something
about it, then what's the point? They manned up and said that
they didn't apply the patches. That's their fault. MS makes it
easy. Microsoft update. Every day. Not so stupid now.

Linux is good. Don't get me wrong. But it is fallible too.
Anyone who reads cert.org can tell you that. Luckily, most
people who know how to do bad things don't do them to
linux as frequently as they do them to us. Doesn't mean it
can't be done. It can.

Curtis
 
Jerry White wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
> news:u3oQBPJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>>Jerry White wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>news:e2iNr6D4HHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>norm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Leythos wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <ewyqpdD4HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, none@nospam says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Actually it's probably a bit of both. Straight hacking a random Linux
>>>>>>>box, good luck. It's when things like root-kits somehow get installed
>>>>>>>(usually by a clueless admin being fooled by some advert on the web,
>>>>>>>irc, etc) that's the big cause of infiltrations. This is true of any
>>>>>>>OS that can be accessed remotely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But that fits the target audience for Ubuntu, clueless users running as
>>>>>>root.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ubuntu, by default, does not run as root. The only default way to gain
>>>>>root is as superuser, and that access is limited only to the person that
>>>>>creates the original user account. And the original user is the only one
>>>>>that can create secondary accounts with ANY privileges. In other words,
>>>>>clueless users running as root is very much an oxymoron.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Administrator is disabled by default in Vista.
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually most preinstalled systems (hp, etc) have accounts with
>>>administrative priviliages (or at least you don't need to need a
>>>user/pass when you're prompted to do this or that...)
>>>
>>>And fresh installs, even if you aren't using admin, you need admin
>>>credientials to do a lot of things, where as on linux you can setup
>>>predetermined commands and such lower users can use (eg sudo and such.)

>>
>>No, not really. Super root/super admin is disabled by default in all
>>installs of Vista.

>
>
> Sorry, but no it's not. I've seen many OEM systems from the store that run
> with admin priviliages. Go to your local Bestbuy or other store with display
> computers and try a few out, you may be suprised.
>
>

BS!
I've yet to see any Dell, HP or Toshiba OEM's with Administrator
(Computer Management/Local Users and Groups/Users/Administrator) enabled.
Try again.
Frank
 
>
> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?


Hypocrisy gets a bad rap.

There's nothing wrong with being a hypocrite the sign that says: "This way
to Chicago" doesn't actually GO to Chicago.
 
The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:
> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...
>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>>
>> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
>> probably wasn't pro vista.

>
> Non-issue, has no bearing on this subject whether someone posting an
> off topic post without even labeling it as an OT post is pro vista or
> not.


Well, isn't your complaining about the post being off-topic itself
off-topic? It's off-topic squared.

In other words, isn't a complaint about something being off-topic an example
of hypocrisy?
 
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