J
Jerry White
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.212e70f573e94eb3989830@adfree.Usenet.com...
> In article <5ijn0fF3pja2bU1@mid.individual.net>,
> louisREMOVE@REMOVEh4h.com says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>> > In article <ewyqpdD4HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, none@nospam
>> > says...
>> >> Actually it's probably a bit of both. Straight hacking a random Linux
>> >> box, good luck. It's when things like root-kits somehow get installed
>> >> (usually by a clueless admin being fooled by some advert on the web,
>> >> irc, etc) that's the big cause of infiltrations. This is true of any
>> >> OS that can be accessed remotely.
>> >
>> > But that fits the target audience for Ubuntu, clueless users running
>> > as root.
>>
>>
>> And how is that true? If any system almsot forces you to run as admin
>> (to really do anything useful) it's Windows. I don't know of an OS with
>> more clueless people.
>
> And those same clueless people hear about a new, great, security driven,
> OS that's free and they make the same mistakes that make in Windows -
> they run as Root, download anything, compromise their machines, etc...
Well in the case of the news story linked at the beginning of this thread,
the systems were not actually hacked. A clueless admin just wasn't keeping
an eye on things. The method was brute force, not hacking (ahem, cracking)
where as windows is routinely exploited through various holes in security.
While Unix and Linux are not immune to that, it's at a far lower frequency,
and problems typically arrise from a hole in a particular
program/service(daemon) that isn't run correctly, and not so much to a hole
i nthe OS's core. In others Linux at the core is far more solid and robust
and far less swiss cheesey than Windows.
news:MPG.212e70f573e94eb3989830@adfree.Usenet.com...
> In article <5ijn0fF3pja2bU1@mid.individual.net>,
> louisREMOVE@REMOVEh4h.com says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>> > In article <ewyqpdD4HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, none@nospam
>> > says...
>> >> Actually it's probably a bit of both. Straight hacking a random Linux
>> >> box, good luck. It's when things like root-kits somehow get installed
>> >> (usually by a clueless admin being fooled by some advert on the web,
>> >> irc, etc) that's the big cause of infiltrations. This is true of any
>> >> OS that can be accessed remotely.
>> >
>> > But that fits the target audience for Ubuntu, clueless users running
>> > as root.
>>
>>
>> And how is that true? If any system almsot forces you to run as admin
>> (to really do anything useful) it's Windows. I don't know of an OS with
>> more clueless people.
>
> And those same clueless people hear about a new, great, security driven,
> OS that's free and they make the same mistakes that make in Windows -
> they run as Root, download anything, compromise their machines, etc...
Well in the case of the news story linked at the beginning of this thread,
the systems were not actually hacked. A clueless admin just wasn't keeping
an eye on things. The method was brute force, not hacking (ahem, cracking)
where as windows is routinely exploited through various holes in security.
While Unix and Linux are not immune to that, it's at a far lower frequency,
and problems typically arrise from a hole in a particular
program/service(daemon) that isn't run correctly, and not so much to a hole
i nthe OS's core. In others Linux at the core is far more solid and robust
and far less swiss cheesey than Windows.