Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

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Curtis D. Levin wrote:
> "Wayne Poe" <louis@h4h.com> wrote in message
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>> "Curtis D. Levin" <cdlevin@spammelater.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:snmxi.6328$7e6.4084@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...
>>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>>> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
>>> probably wasn't pro vista.
>>>
>>> The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't
>>> bulletproof.
>> For the most part it is. How ever the article wasn't about a security
>> problem in Linux, rather about admins at some data center not doing thier
>> jobs. That's a world of a difference.
>
> Not to me it isn't. Their machines were attacking others. That, is
> a security problem, by every definition of the word.
>
> If someone else other than them is expected to do something
> about it, then what's the point? They manned up and said that
> they didn't apply the patches. That's their fault. MS makes it
> easy. Microsoft update. Every day. Not so stupid now.
Let's not forget that there are two different entities being discussed.
There is the ubuntu server edition and unbuntu "for the masses". If we
are to compare, lets compare server edition to server edition. It is as
much an injustice to compare ubuntu server against vista home editions
as it would be to compare windows server editions against ubuntu "for
the masses". It doesn't negate what happened, but it does make the
"playing field" a bit more level.
>
> Linux is good. Don't get me wrong. But it is fallible too.
> Anyone who reads cert.org can tell you that. Luckily, most
> people who know how to do bad things don't do them to
> linux as frequently as they do them to us. Doesn't mean it
> can't be done. It can.
>
> Curtis
>
>
>


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Leythos wrote:
> In article <fa4up0$td$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are
>>>>>>> vulnerable!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>>>>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>>>>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>>>>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?
>> >>>
>>>>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
>>>>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
>>>>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
>>>>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
>>>>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
>>>>> decades of warnings.
>>>>>
>>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>>> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
>>> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
>>> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
>>> they claim.
>> What is the point of refuting a claim made by a poster who no longer
>> posts in this group? Is there some strange MVP time machine we don't
>> know about or something?
>
> Because this is a PUBLIC group read all over the world and some people
> may fall for the zealotry mantra of the ignorant.

And that same zealotry mantra of the ignorant can be seen from the
windows side too.
>
>> And if he is going to "refute a claim" as you put it, why would the OP
>> not reply to a post that made that claim?
>
> No idea, many people don't feel the need to reply.
>
>> So if as you claim, he is refuting a claim which has not been made in
>> this group recently by a poster who doesn't post here anymore...
>>
>> Still none of this explains away or justifies why he is posting about a
>> subject that he had through mob action with other posters harassed
>> another poster out of the group for.
>
> LOL - Alias left, if he left, because he lost what ever motivated him to
> spout discontent and anything anti-MS like he's been doing for years.
>
>>> My guess is that you'll not see any (or very few) posts sourcing
>>> information about Linux after a week.
>>>
>>> You have to admit, it was a very disruptive amount of crap because of
>>> zealotry in the OS.
>>>
>> If you are going to respond to my posts, please have the courtesy to
>> address the issue at hand and not sidestep the subject with your response.
>
> So stop trolling then.
>


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Leythos wrote:
> In article <5imefqF3m3hpaU1@mid.individual.net>, louis@h4h.com says...
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.212fc5ecf8f7e8289898fe@adfree.Usenet.com...
>>> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> vulnerable!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>>>>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>>>>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>>>>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard
>>>>>> here)?
>>>>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
>>>>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
>>>>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
>>>>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
>>>>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
>>>>> decades of warnings.
>>>>>
>>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>>> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
>>> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
>>> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
>>> they claim.
>> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless
>> admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how
>> often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?
>
> And that would follow the ignorant masses problem that all OS's suffer.
> which is the point of my post. You have Zealots stating the XYZ is safer
> and that it can't be hacked and then when they are disproven, for the
> same reasons that many Windows boxes are hacked, they get disgruntled.
>
Maybe the correct comparison should be ubuntu server to windows server
rather than ubuntu server to the windows "for the masses".

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norm
 
Leythos wrote:
> In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
>> it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?
>
> Because you are a zealot complaining for other zealots to jump in and
> defend your BS position. Alias made a point of always being negative and
> suggesting that Ubuntu was the savior of the world, which any non-Zealot
> that uses linux would know is a lie. The MVP's don't make a effort to
> distrup the groups like others do.
>

But that does not address the fact that an MVP was doing exactly what he
was regularly criticizing another poster for. That's being a hypocrite.
You obviously have issues staying on topic, don't you?

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
>> it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?
>
> How about you clean up your act before you start complaining about
> others. You added the windowsxp.general group to this thread without
> notice, for no good reason, to stir up more crap.
>
>
>

This coming for you who isn't staying on topic. Yet you choose to
respond anyway, even though you have nothing of value to add. LOL!

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HeyBub wrote:
> The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'
> wrote:
>> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>>> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...
>>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>>> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
>>> probably wasn't pro vista.
>> Non-issue, has no bearing on this subject whether someone posting an
>> off topic post without even labeling it as an OT post is pro vista or
>> not.
>
> Well, isn't your complaining about the post being off-topic itself
> off-topic? It's off-topic squared.
>
> In other words, isn't a complaint about something being off-topic an example
> of hypocrisy?
>
>

And what does this post of yours complaining about my 'OT' post
accomplish? The same thing, but cubed.

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In article <eg9VVuR4HHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
noone@afakeddomain.net says...
> And that same zealotry mantra of the ignorant can be seen from the
> windows side too.

Yep, it's not something that is unique to ANY OS. I use to know a couple
network admins that logged in as a root level account on AIX for their
daily work - they said it made thing simpler :)


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The poster formerly known as the poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy wrote:

> HeyBub wrote:
>
>> The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Curtis D. Levin wrote:
>>>
>>>> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...
>>>>
>>>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>>>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>>>>
>>>> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
>>>> probably wasn't pro vista.
>>>
>>> Non-issue, has no bearing on this subject whether someone posting an
>>> off topic post without even labeling it as an OT post is pro vista or
>>> not.
>>
>>
>> Well, isn't your complaining about the post being off-topic itself
>> off-topic? It's off-topic squared.
>>
>> In other words, isn't a complaint about something being off-topic an
>> example of hypocrisy?
>>
>
> And what does this post of yours complaining about my 'OT' post
> accomplish? The same thing, but cubed.
>

I bet we're now gonna have a math quiz, right?
Damn!
Frank
 
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:54:14 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:

>>> Well, isn't your complaining about the post being off-topic itself
>>> off-topic? It's off-topic squared.
>>>
>>> In other words, isn't a complaint about something being off-topic an
>>> example of hypocrisy?
>>>
>>
>> And what does this post of yours complaining about my 'OT' post
>> accomplish? The same thing, but cubed.
>>
>
>I bet we're now gonna have a math quiz, right?

You wouldn't get very far in any math quiz since you can't get past 20
even with you barefoot. Just face facts Frankie, you're an idiot and
everybody knows it.
 
"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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> Jerry White wrote:
>> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>> news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.
>>>
>>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme memory
>>>loss.
>>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that reference
>>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.
>>>Frank
>>
>>
>> I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim. Either
>> provide proof or piss off.
>
> hahaha...try harder you moron!
> Frank

Nice proof... or lack there of...
 
"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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> Jerry White wrote:
>
>> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>> news:u3oQBPJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>news:e2iNr6D4HHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>norm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Leythos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <ewyqpdD4HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, none@nospam
>>>>>>>says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Actually it's probably a bit of both. Straight hacking a random
>>>>>>>>Linux box, good luck. It's when things like root-kits somehow get
>>>>>>>>installed (usually by a clueless admin being fooled by some advert
>>>>>>>>on the web, irc, etc) that's the big cause of infiltrations. This is
>>>>>>>>true of any OS that can be accessed remotely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But that fits the target audience for Ubuntu, clueless users running
>>>>>>>as root.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ubuntu, by default, does not run as root. The only default way to gain
>>>>>>root is as superuser, and that access is limited only to the person
>>>>>>that creates the original user account. And the original user is the
>>>>>>only one that can create secondary accounts with ANY privileges. In
>>>>>>other words, clueless users running as root is very much an oxymoron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Administrator is disabled by default in Vista.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually most preinstalled systems (hp, etc) have accounts with
>>>>administrative priviliages (or at least you don't need to need a
>>>>user/pass when you're prompted to do this or that...)
>>>>
>>>>And fresh installs, even if you aren't using admin, you need admin
>>>>credientials to do a lot of things, where as on linux you can setup
>>>>predetermined commands and such lower users can use (eg sudo and such.)
>>>
>>>No, not really. Super root/super admin is disabled by default in all
>>>installs of Vista.
>>
>>
>> Sorry, but no it's not. I've seen many OEM systems from the store that
>> run with admin priviliages. Go to your local Bestbuy or other store with
>> display computers and try a few out, you may be suprised.
> BS!
> I've yet to see any Dell, HP or Toshiba OEM's with Administrator (Computer
> Management/Local Users and Groups/Users/Administrator) enabled.

Actually many of them do. They are either in administrator or something
close to administrator that's high enough not to require you to enter the
administrator password when you get those prompts (like when installing
applications.) Either way it's high enough to do plenty of damage should you
let your kids or visiting cousin, etc, use your comp (and IE7) for a little
while.

It's more common than either you think or like to admit.
 
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <eg9VVuR4HHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
> noone@afakeddomain.net says...
>> And that same zealotry mantra of the ignorant can be seen from the
>> windows side too.
>
> Yep, it's not something that is unique to ANY OS. I use to know a couple
> network admins that logged in as a root level account on AIX for their
> daily work - they said it made thing simpler :)

It really depends on the person, but in general over the years I found
Windows users for the most part to be less knowledgeable of how thier
computer works than a typical Linux or Unix user.

As for running as root, I'd never recommend doing it on a live system, but
on my personal Linux system I've been doing it for years. I do not let most
processes/services run as root, and in general run programs as normal users.
It just depends on what you do with the system, what your usage habits are
like, and how you set things up, and also is it your personal system + do
you know what you are doing. The latter tends not always apply to the joe
"home edition" Windows user.
 
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <5imefqF3m3hpaU1@mid.individual.net>, louis@h4h.com says...
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.212fc5ecf8f7e8289898fe@adfree.Usenet.com...
>> > In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> >> Leythos wrote:
>> >> > In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> >> >> Richard Urban wrote:
>> >> >>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating
>> >> >>> systems
>> >> >>> are
>> >> >>> vulnerable!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very
>> >> >> MVPs
>> >> >> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic'
>> >> >> about
>> >> >> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get
>> >> >> run
>> >> >> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard
>> >> >> here)?
>> >> >
>> >> > I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as
>> >> > being
>> >> > secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same
>> >> > stupidity
>> >> > that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed
>> >> > to
>> >> > be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
>> >> > problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
>> >> > decades of warnings.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>> >> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>> >
>> > Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
>> > topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
>> > that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
>> > they claim.
>>
>> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was
>> clueless
>> admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just
>> how
>> often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?
>
> And that would follow the ignorant masses problem that all OS's suffer.
> which is the point of my post. You have Zealots stating the XYZ is safer
> and that it can't be hacked and then when they are disproven, for the
> same reasons that many Windows boxes are hacked, they get disgruntled.

The article at the head of this post does NOT say a Linux system was hacked,
it said someone got in via brute force - trying password after password
until one works. It said the perp was trying for a long time, something that
should of never been allowed if someoen was watching things. That was a
failure on the admin's part, NOT the system. This is something that happens
infinately more on Windows boxes (though it's nto limited to them) and you
know it.

It's amazing how people like you just jump on the band wagon and show that
you haven't even read the article.

If you think Linux has been actually "cracked" then site an instance. Anyone
can site and try over and over, or evne run an pllication that permutates
over every combination, and/or runs through a dictionary file. I hardly call
that "cracking"... most would call that a admin asleep at the helm.
 
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
>> it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?
>
> Alias made a point of always being negative and suggesting that
> Ubuntu was the savior of the world

I dare you to site a single example of when he actually said that. And you
still miss the point that the Linux systems in question in that article were
NOT hacked, so get over it.
 
"Curtis D. Levin" <cdlevin@spammelater.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Wayne Poe" <louis@h4h.com> wrote in message
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>> "Curtis D. Levin" <cdlevin@spammelater.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:snmxi.6328$7e6.4084@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...
>>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>>>
>>> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
>>> probably wasn't pro vista.
>>>
>>> The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't
>>> bulletproof.
>>
>> For the most part it is. How ever the article wasn't about a security
>> problem in Linux, rather about admins at some data center not doing thier
>> jobs. That's a world of a difference.
>
> Not to me it isn't. Their machines were attacking others. That, is
> a security problem, by every definition of the word.

Which could of been prevented if they weren't asleep at their posts.

> If someone else other than them is expected to do something
> about it, then what's the point? They manned up and said that
> they didn't apply the patches. That's their fault.

Patches or not, they neglected their duty as sysadmins.

> MS makes it easy. Microsoft update. Every day. Not so stupid now.

Which can force you to reboot if you're running as a non admin user on
Vista.

> Linux is good. Don't get me wrong. But it is fallible too.

I've bene using various distros and versions of Linux, for both
home/personal usage and as an admin of live servers, and I really haven't
found much fallible about it. The core is rock solid. What's fallible is
running out dated software with known security holes. A good sysadmin would
stay on top of that, and at the very least watch the logs, keep an eye on
who is and has bene connecting and such.

> Anyone who reads cert.org can tell you that. Luckily, most
> people who know how to do bad things don't do them to
> linux as frequently as they do them to us. Doesn't mean it
> can't be done. It can.

It can, but it's not so much Linux but either bad software or improperly
configured software. Again, that is a sizable difference when you compare to
all the security flaws at Window's core, which includes IE (ever since they
integrated it into Explorer back in Win 98.) Just look at how many exploits
are found at the _core_ and sometimes patches are then released to try to
fix them and sometimes new one arises. Problems at the core problems are
generally not an issue in Linux, but rather the different softwares that run
with in.

Bottom line, security patches help, doing your job as a system's
administrator is even better. There just sin't any substitute for that imho.
 
"Saran" <none@nospam> wrote in message
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> Lang Murphy wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>> The article seems to suggest that the machines in question were
>>> extremely poorly maintained and running outdated versions of the OS.
>>
>> And that doesn't happen with regularity in the real world?
>
> I guess it depends if the admins actually do their job as maintainers. If
> they don't, it's no one's fault but their own.

There you go...

>
>> You think this is an extreme exception?
>
> For live servers, yes I do. Any properly maintained live server (like
> those in data centers used by hosting companies) should fall prey to such
> attacks if the admins do their jobs. If they do then someone wasn't taking
> care of things.
>

Are there other types of servers other than "live" servers? Anyway, that's
my whole point... ya think every server out there is properly maintained? I
don't have any metrics one way or the other, but I'd hazard a guess, that,
no, not all servers are properly maintained. S'no big deal...

Lang

> -saran
>
 
Jerry White wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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>
>>Jerry White wrote:
>>
>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>news:OGKUNKJ4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I don't recall anyone ever sayign that of Linux.
>>>>
>>>>Then you must either be a newbie or else suffering from extreme memory
>>>>loss.
>>>>Search this ng (if you know how) and I'm sure you'll find that reference
>>>
>>>>from out resident and/or former linux as*holes.
>>>
>>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>I have and have yet to come across someoen saying what you claim. Either
>>>provide proof or piss off.
>>
>>hahaha...try harder you moron!
>>Frank
>
>
> Nice proof... or lack there of...
>
>
Gave up already huh?
Frank
 
Clenna Lumina wrote:

> "Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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>
>>Jerry White wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>>>Jerry White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Frank" <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote in message
>>>>>news:e2iNr6D4HHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>norm wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Leythos wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article <ewyqpdD4HHA.2208@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, none@nospam
>>>>>>>>says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Actually it's probably a bit of both. Straight hacking a random
>>>>>>>>>Linux box, good luck. It's when things like root-kits somehow get
>>>>>>>>>installed (usually by a clueless admin being fooled by some advert
>>>>>>>>>on the web, irc, etc) that's the big cause of infiltrations. This is
>>>>>>>>>true of any OS that can be accessed remotely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But that fits the target audience for Ubuntu, clueless users running
>>>>>>>>as root.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ubuntu, by default, does not run as root. The only default way to gain
>>>>>>>root is as superuser, and that access is limited only to the person
>>>>>>>that creates the original user account. And the original user is the
>>>>>>>only one that can create secondary accounts with ANY privileges. In
>>>>>>>other words, clueless users running as root is very much an oxymoron.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Administrator is disabled by default in Vista.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually most preinstalled systems (hp, etc) have accounts with
>>>>>administrative priviliages (or at least you don't need to need a
>>>>>user/pass when you're prompted to do this or that...)
>>>>>
>>>>>And fresh installs, even if you aren't using admin, you need admin
>>>>>credientials to do a lot of things, where as on linux you can setup
>>>>>predetermined commands and such lower users can use (eg sudo and such.)
>>>>
>>>>No, not really. Super root/super admin is disabled by default in all
>>>>installs of Vista.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sorry, but no it's not. I've seen many OEM systems from the store that
>>>run with admin priviliages. Go to your local Bestbuy or other store with
>>>display computers and try a few out, you may be suprised.
>>
>>BS!
>>I've yet to see any Dell, HP or Toshiba OEM's with Administrator (Computer
>>Management/Local Users and Groups/Users/Administrator) enabled.
>
>
> Actually many of them do. They are either in administrator or something
> close to administrator that's high enough not to require you to enter the
> administrator password when you get those prompts (like when installing
> applications.) Either way it's high enough to do plenty of damage should you
> let your kids or visiting cousin, etc, use your comp (and IE7) for a little
> while.
>
> It's more common than either you think or like to admit.
>
>
Sorry pal, but that's not root or super administrator and that's what
I'm talking about.
Frank
 
Jerry White wrote:

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.212fd5d317dfd5f989904@adfree.Usenet.com...
>
>>In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>
>>>You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
>>>it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?
>>
>>Alias made a point of always being negative and suggesting that
>>Ubuntu was the savior of the world
>
>
> I dare you to site a single example of when he actually said that.

You must be either a newbie or brain dead or just a simple jackass.
We all know what he did as we had to live (suffer) thru it all.
Google him, if you know how.
Otherwise STFU!!!
Frank
 
Adam Albright wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:54:14 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:
>
>
>>>>Well, isn't your complaining about the post being off-topic itself
>>>>off-topic? It's off-topic squared.
>>>>
>>>>In other words, isn't a complaint about something being off-topic an
>>>>example of hypocrisy?
>>>>
>>>
>>>And what does this post of yours complaining about my 'OT' post
>>>accomplish? The same thing, but cubed.
>>>
>>
>>I bet we're now gonna have a math quiz, right?
>
>
> You wouldn't get very far in any math quiz since you can't get past 20
> even with you barefoot. Just face facts Frankie, you're an idiot and
> everybody knows it.
>
>

At least I don't have to resort to counting the pimples on my ass like
you do...you moron!
Frank
 

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