Linux and Why Nobody Seems To Care.........

[Hobbes]

"Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>
>> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:4836f672$0$25176$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that doesn't include the cost of cleaning off viruses and
>>>>>> malware from these Windows workstations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What viruses? We've not had a virus outbreak since 2002...
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, riiiiiight.
>>>
>>> Is that in your religion? Most of us Windows users haven't seen a virus
>>> in years. Get over it.
>>>
>>
>> I saw a virus once, my daughter bought it home from school about 15 years
>> ago.
>> It only got on her machine because she had to disable the AV to run the
>> program she had been given.
>> Just as well it was easy to remove using one of the many free AV
>> programs.
>> Alias still hasn't grasped what the problem is with the Debian keys issue
>> and thinks the patch fixes the problem and not just what started the
>> problem. Of course like most Ubuntu users he doesn't understand enough to
>> actually be able to check if he has a problem and doesn't have any
>> anti-malware software to help him.
>
> Yawn. As I told you before, and you conveniently ignore, I am running a
> fresh install of Hardy. I don't do updates to new Ubuntu versions I clean
> install.
>
> Alias
>
>

You don't do updates !
Then what are they for?
Oh...That's right ... to wreck the previous install.
Yee of little faith should not push that POS ubuntu

 

[Alias]

Hobbes wrote:
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g17jjf$6n2$1@aioe.org...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:4836f672$0$25176$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that doesn't include the cost of cleaning off viruses and
>>>>>>> malware from these Windows workstations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What viruses? We've not had a virus outbreak since 2002...
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, riiiiiight.
>>>>
>>>> Is that in your religion? Most of us Windows users haven't seen a
>>>> virus in years. Get over it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I saw a virus once, my daughter bought it home from school about 15
>>> years ago.
>>> It only got on her machine because she had to disable the AV to run
>>> the program she had been given.
>>> Just as well it was easy to remove using one of the many free AV
>>> programs.
>>> Alias still hasn't grasped what the problem is with the Debian keys
>>> issue and thinks the patch fixes the problem and not just what
>>> started the problem. Of course like most Ubuntu users he doesn't
>>> understand enough to actually be able to check if he has a problem
>>> and doesn't have any anti-malware software to help him.
>>
>> Yawn. As I told you before, and you conveniently ignore, I am running
>> a fresh install of Hardy. I don't do updates to new Ubuntu versions I
>> clean install.
>>
>> Alias
>>
>>
>
> You don't do updates !

I didn't say that. Read it again and this time pay attention to what
you're reading.

Alias

 

[Hobbes]

"Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hobbes wrote:
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g17jjf$6n2$1@aioe.org...
>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:4836f672$0$25176$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that doesn't include the cost of cleaning off viruses and
>>>>>>>> malware from these Windows workstations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What viruses? We've not had a virus outbreak since 2002...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, riiiiiight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that in your religion? Most of us Windows users haven't seen a
>>>>> virus in years. Get over it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I saw a virus once, my daughter bought it home from school about 15
>>>> years ago.
>>>> It only got on her machine because she had to disable the AV to run the
>>>> program she had been given.
>>>> Just as well it was easy to remove using one of the many free AV
>>>> programs.
>>>> Alias still hasn't grasped what the problem is with the Debian keys
>>>> issue and thinks the patch fixes the problem and not just what started
>>>> the problem. Of course like most Ubuntu users he doesn't understand
>>>> enough to actually be able to check if he has a problem and doesn't
>>>> have any anti-malware software to help him.
>>>
>>> Yawn. As I told you before, and you conveniently ignore, I am running a
>>> fresh install of Hardy. I don't do updates to new Ubuntu versions I
>>> clean install.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You don't do updates !
>
> I didn't say that. Read it again and this time pay attention to what
> you're reading.
>
> Alias

Your ignorant in that you edit post to the minimal comprehension...the
Ubuntu way? Minimal comprehension?
Ubuntu updates wreck the OS...as a feisty user...I would know.
Ubuntu sucks small eggs like a chicken OS should.

 

[Alias]

Hobbes wrote:
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g17l14$civ$1@aioe.org...
>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g17jjf$6n2$1@aioe.org...
>>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4836f672$0$25176$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com...
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And that doesn't include the cost of cleaning off viruses and
>>>>>>>>> malware from these Windows workstations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What viruses? We've not had a virus outbreak since 2002...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, riiiiiight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that in your religion? Most of us Windows users haven't seen a
>>>>>> virus in years. Get over it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw a virus once, my daughter bought it home from school about 15
>>>>> years ago.
>>>>> It only got on her machine because she had to disable the AV to run
>>>>> the program she had been given.
>>>>> Just as well it was easy to remove using one of the many free AV
>>>>> programs.
>>>>> Alias still hasn't grasped what the problem is with the Debian keys
>>>>> issue and thinks the patch fixes the problem and not just what
>>>>> started the problem. Of course like most Ubuntu users he doesn't
>>>>> understand enough to actually be able to check if he has a problem
>>>>> and doesn't have any anti-malware software to help him.
>>>>
>>>> Yawn. As I told you before, and you conveniently ignore, I am
>>>> running a fresh install of Hardy. I don't do updates to new Ubuntu
>>>> versions I clean install.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You don't do updates !
>>
>> I didn't say that. Read it again and this time pay attention to what
>> you're reading.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Your ignorant in that you edit post to the minimal comprehension...the
> Ubuntu way? Minimal comprehension?
> Ubuntu updates wreck the OS...as a feisty user...I would know.
> Ubuntu sucks small eggs like a chicken OS should.

Feisty? LOL! Try Hardy.

alias

 

[Moshe, Goldfarb]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 16:04:58 -0700, John Slade wrote:

> "Moshe. Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1jjsl67rniymr$.d1hhjl07keuj$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>
>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-care1/
>>
>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are the sort who want
>> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users are those who're
>> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in the short term)
>> and
>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free, particularly
>> software."
>>
>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and completely
>> useless
>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of transparency, etc.) and assume
>> that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so cosmetically made-up
>> and then there are others who only need the Terminal and can keep typing
>> on
>> it whole day long."
>>
>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any community, it has
>> members with widely varying interests and preferences and the open source
>> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try and cater to
>> every single whim and fancy of these members.
>
> This is a problem? I wonder why the OS X market share is dropping.
> Because nobody cares, now that Mac users can run Windows on their Apple
> branded clones, sure OS X market share will drop.
>
> John

Lack of organization and focus is what is killing Linux.
Linux currently has at least 500+ different distributions.

It's like the wild west.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

[Moshe, Goldfarb]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 16:30:07 -0700, George Graves wrote:

> On Fri, 23 May 2008 16:07:59 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
> (in article
> <alangbaker-1D03B2.16075923052008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>):
>
>> In article <u4IZj.1822$mh5.334@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> "John Slade" <hhitman86@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Moshe. Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1jjsl67rniymr$.d1hhjl07keuj$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-car
>>>> e
>>>> 1/
>>>>
>>>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are the sort who want
>>>> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users are those who're
>>>> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in the short term)
>>>> and
>>>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free, particularly
>>>> software."
>>>>
>>>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and completely
>>>> useless
>>>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of transparency, etc.) and assume
>>>> that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so cosmetically made-up
>>>> and then there are others who only need the Terminal and can keep typing
>>>> on
>>>> it whole day long."
>>>>
>>>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any community, it has
>>>> members with widely varying interests and preferences and the open source
>>>> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try and cater to
>>>> every single whim and fancy of these members.
>>>
>>> This is a problem? I wonder why the OS X market share is dropping.
>>> Because nobody cares, now that Mac users can run Windows on their Apple
>>> branded clones, sure OS X market share will drop.
>>
>> And yet, Mac OS X share of internet browsing -- a reasonable measure of
>> what people are actually using -- continues to rise.
>>
>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9&qpdt=1&qpct=4&qptime
>> frame=M&qpsp=88&qpnp=25>
>>
>>
>
> Slade can't hear you. He's kill-filed about 90% of everybody on this NG.

Sounds like a typical comp.os.linux.advocacy Linux *advocate*.

All 5 advocates have kill filed everyone else so this way they can stroke
each other all day and night without ever hearing a negative word about
Linux.



--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

[Moshe, Goldfarb]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 16:30:07 -0700, George Graves wrote:

> On Fri, 23 May 2008 16:07:59 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
> (in article
> <alangbaker-1D03B2.16075923052008@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]>):
>
>> In article <u4IZj.1822$mh5.334@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com>,
>> "John Slade" <hhitman86@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Moshe. Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1jjsl67rniymr$.d1hhjl07keuj$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-car
>>>> e
>>>> 1/
>>>>
>>>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are the sort who want
>>>> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users are those who're
>>>> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in the short term)
>>>> and
>>>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free, particularly
>>>> software."
>>>>
>>>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and completely
>>>> useless
>>>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of transparency, etc.) and assume
>>>> that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so cosmetically made-up
>>>> and then there are others who only need the Terminal and can keep typing
>>>> on
>>>> it whole day long."
>>>>
>>>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any community, it has
>>>> members with widely varying interests and preferences and the open source
>>>> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try and cater to
>>>> every single whim and fancy of these members.
>>>
>>> This is a problem? I wonder why the OS X market share is dropping.
>>> Because nobody cares, now that Mac users can run Windows on their Apple
>>> branded clones, sure OS X market share will drop.
>>
>> And yet, Mac OS X share of internet browsing -- a reasonable measure of
>> what people are actually using -- continues to rise.
>>
>> <http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9&qpdt=1&qpct=4&qptime
>> frame=M&qpsp=88&qpnp=25>
>>
>>
>
> Slade can't hear you. He's kill-filed about 90% of everybody on this NG.

Sounds like a typical comp.os.linux.advocacy Linux *advocate*.

All 5 advocates have kill filed everyone else so this way they can stroke
each other all day and night without ever hearing a negative word about
Linux.



--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

 

[Adam Albright]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 21:58:44 -0400, "Moshe, Goldfarb"
<brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Slade can't hear you. He's kill-filed about 90% of everybody on this NG.
>
>Sounds like a typical comp.os.linux.advocacy Linux *advocate*.
>
>All 5 advocates have kill filed everyone else so this way they can stroke
>each other all day and night without ever hearing a negative word about
>Linux.


You want to see three fools stroking each other over Vista, just watch
Bill, Frank and monkey spanker go at it. No cover charge, free
admission, right here, every day. Bring your own popcorn. Its a great
sideshow. You get to see three freaks go ape and profess their love of
pigs and sheep besides.

 

[Tim Murray]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 19:04:58 -0400, John Slade wrote:
> I wonder why the OS X market share is dropping.

Keep wondering. Cuz it's not.

 

[GorkusPuss]

Moshe, Goldfarb wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 16:04:58 -0700, John Slade wrote:
>
>> "Moshe. Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1jjsl67rniymr$.d1hhjl07keuj$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-care1/
>>>
>>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are the sort who want
>>> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users are those who're
>>> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in the short term)
>>> and
>>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free, particularly
>>> software."
>>>
>>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and completely
>>> useless
>>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of transparency, etc.) and assume
>>> that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so cosmetically made-up
>>> and then there are others who only need the Terminal and can keep typing
>>> on
>>> it whole day long."
>>>
>>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any community, it has
>>> members with widely varying interests and preferences and the open source
>>> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try and cater to
>>> every single whim and fancy of these members.
>> This is a problem? I wonder why the OS X market share is dropping.
>> Because nobody cares, now that Mac users can run Windows on their Apple
>> branded clones, sure OS X market share will drop.
>>
>> John
>
> Lack of organization and focus is what is killing Linux.
> Linux currently has at least 500+ different distributions.
>
> It's like the wild west.
>

Yet the wild west lead to something.

- GorkusPuss

 

[Mike P]

"Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in message news:g16t3n$bar$1@aioe.org...
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g16svi$afq$1@aioe.org...
>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g16rrk$1fq$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:g16pmg$ftl$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:g16nap$pf1$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:g165o2$ub2$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:g16382$8rt$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:g15vm4$8kk$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moshe. Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-care1/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort who want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those who're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> short term) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completely useless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of transparency,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.) and assume
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cosmetically made-up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then there are others who only need the Terminal and can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep typing on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it whole day long."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community, it has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members with widely varying interests and preferences and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the open source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and cater to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every single whim and fancy of these members. The result is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cornucopia of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free software, software that has been developed at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expense of the hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work and time of some of the most skilled developers on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet, and yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not have a single product that is complete in and of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself and is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generating any profit at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " There is no way whatsoever that thousands of developers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of their computers in different corners of the world and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their non-working hours trying to develop something that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they know isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to make them any money, are ever going to come up with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to seriously challenge software from companies like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple. There is just no chance at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " Linux has been around for more than a decade now and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nowhere near
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenging either Mac OS X or Windows. The vast majority of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software makers around the world are still shipping products
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible with Linux."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " There's no guarantee that the camera you bought today and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is compatible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with your Ubuntu installation will work with Fedora Core too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change your mind in a few days, as is a common practice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among the Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enthusiasts."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore Linux.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux users are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never quite sure which one is the best distribution around.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debates in their own community with twenty different users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vouching for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twenty different variations. They constantly have to keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figuring out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workarounds to make all their software and hardware work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't just go out and buy a new accessory, assured in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will work. They are afraid to upgrade, lest things go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And so forth......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously this guy has had experience with LinSUX because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his article is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right on the money....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you so afraid of Linux, Moshe?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think he is. All the points made in this article are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux won't make it into the mainstream as a business desktop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OS. I'm IT support manager for one of the biggest pharma
>>>>>>>>>>>>> companies in the world. There isn't a hope in hell of us ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to Linux, mainly because of the reasons stated above but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also we have 40,000 users worldwide. Where would the money
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come to retrain them all? Who is going to pay for my staff's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to rebuild all those machines with Linux on them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who's going to pay to retrain all my support staff to use a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> totally new OS? What are our customers going to say when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents we create and send them don't open or format
>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly on their Windows boxes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It'd be like going back to the late 80s when I started in IT.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We had 4 different word processing apps at my first company,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> none of which could talk to the other without an add-on and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lots of pissing about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying Linux is a bad OS, it has it's uses, and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think if it had the coverage Windows got when Win3 first came
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out, it would probably be doing a lot better on the desktop,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but it didn't, and it won't. Saying that, I have 3 linux PCs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at home, and I set my gran up with one running Ubuntu
>>>>>>>>>>>>> recently, so I'm not *against* Linux per se.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it. I can go out and buy a named brand PC, with an OS for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> less than ?300 for our office. I can plug it in, and it just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> works when the user logs in. It sees all the servers, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives map. It does it perfectly. OK, it's Windoze, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing is perfect. ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's see, 40,000 workstations with Vista and all need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> trained or 40,000 workstations with Ubuntu and all need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> trained. What's the difference? Vista is expensive, both for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the software itself and the upgraded hardware, and Ubuntu is
>>>>>>>>>>>> free. If you want your company to stay in the past, don't train
>>>>>>>>>>>> them to use Ubuntu and train them to use Vista and fork out the
>>>>>>>>>>>> money for new hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And that doesn't include the cost of cleaning off viruses and
>>>>>>>>>>>> malware from these Windows workstations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What viruses? We've not had a virus outbreak since 2002...
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, riiiiiight.
>>>>>>>>> You are free to believe what you like of course, but that is true.
>>>>>>>>> That's what happens when a WAN is set up securely and sensibly.
>>>>>>>>> Last virus we got hit by was sometime in summer 2002.
>>>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We don't need to train most users to use Vista, because XP works
>>>>>>>>>>> very well and is very stable for our needs. Even if we did,
>>>>>>>>>>> Vista isn't expensive for us, has a "familiar" feel to it, and
>>>>>>>>>>> our corporate image would be set as we've set XP up so there
>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be a great deal of change.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We'll only start upgrading once the machines we buy are no
>>>>>>>>>>> longer supplied with XP, even then they have a 3 year life cycle
>>>>>>>>>>> then are replaced, which is standard practice for corporate IT
>>>>>>>>>>> departments. So we won't upgrade until absolutely necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's not "staying in the past", it's good business sense to use
>>>>>>>>>>> something that works reliably, which contrary to Linux users
>>>>>>>>>>> beliefs, Windows does in a corporate environment when set up
>>>>>>>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We have a lot of in house software written for windoze, and
>>>>>>>>>>> other software ( clinical trial software, Drug regulatory
>>>>>>>>>>> software etc ) that only works on Windoze.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to hear it. What would you do if MS goes out of business?
>>>>>>>>> Riiiight... and Linux is going to do that to MS is it? I think
>>>>>>>>> not. Part of me would like to see it, but it aint going to happen.
>>>>>>>>> Linux won't make it as a serious desktop OS in my lifetime. I'm
>>>>>>>>> 36..
>>>>>>>> Ever hear of Enron? TWA? Pan Am? No one thought they would go out
>>>>>>>> of business either. MS treats their paying customers like dirt and
>>>>>>>> constantly accuses them of being thieves and you think that the
>>>>>>>> paying public is stupid enough to let that continue? Linux won't
>>>>>>>> put MS out of business MS will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pan-Am never recovered from Lockerbie, and TWA's dodgy
>>>>>>> maintenance/Boeing's iffy design led to TWA 800 disintegrating
>>>>>>> 14000ft above the Atlantic, from which the the company never
>>>>>>> recovered.
>>>>>>> Enron? well, they were just all bent weren't they?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>> So you see my point?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> Sort of, but I doubt mad Libyans are going to blow MS up
>>>>>
>>>>> -)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike P
>>>>
>>>> No, it will be the blatant disdain that MS holds for their paying
>>>> customers that will do it, not some terrorist attack.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> What disdain does MS have for its customers?
>>
>> If you have to ask, you'll never know.
>>
>> Snip drivel.
>>
>> Alias
>>
>
> You snip the truth ... MS makes a ton of money because it "looks after"
> its customers.
> Ubuntu has no customers....only users with free time.

This is spot on. I am not going to praise MS, but they've never ripped us
off. In fact, for what we get under the Volume licencing agreement and the
update plans, it's actually quite good value. OK, it's not free, but I don't
need a team of Linux boffins trying to keep everything running. MS is not
perfect by any means, but the software *works*.

Mike P

 

[Alias]

Moshe, Goldfarb wrote:
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 16:04:58 -0700, John Slade wrote:
>
>> "Moshe. Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1jjsl67rniymr$.d1hhjl07keuj$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-care1/
>>>
>>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are the sort who want
>>> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users are those who're
>>> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in the short term)
>>> and
>>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free, particularly
>>> software."
>>>
>>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and completely
>>> useless
>>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of transparency, etc.) and assume
>>> that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so cosmetically made-up
>>> and then there are others who only need the Terminal and can keep typing
>>> on
>>> it whole day long."
>>>
>>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any community, it has
>>> members with widely varying interests and preferences and the open source
>>> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try and cater to
>>> every single whim and fancy of these members.
>> This is a problem? I wonder why the OS X market share is dropping.
>> Because nobody cares, now that Mac users can run Windows on their Apple
>> branded clones, sure OS X market share will drop.
>>
>> John
>
> Lack of organization and focus is what is killing Linux.
> Linux currently has at least 500+ different distributions.
>
> It's like the wild west.
>

Yeah, and Windows is like King George.

Alias

 

[Rick]

On Fri, 23 May 2008 21:36:16 -0400, Moshe, Goldfarb wrote:

> On Fri, 23 May 2008 16:04:58 -0700, John Slade wrote:
>
>> "Moshe. Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1jjsl67rniymr$.d1hhjl07keuj$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>
>>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-
to-care1/
>>>
>>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are the sort who
>>> want the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users are those
>>> who're looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in the
>>> short term) and
>>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free, particularly
>>> software."
>>>
>>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and completely
>>> useless
>>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of transparency, etc.) and
>>> assume that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so
>>> cosmetically made-up and then there are others who only need the
>>> Terminal and can keep typing on
>>> it whole day long."
>>>
>>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any community, it
>>> has members with widely varying interests and preferences and the open
>>> source developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try and
>>> cater to every single whim and fancy of these members.
>>
>> This is a problem? I wonder why the OS X market share is dropping.
>> Because nobody cares, now that Mac users can run Windows on their Apple
>> branded clones, sure OS X market share will drop.
>>
>> John
>
> Lack of organization and focus is what is killing Linux. Linux currently
> has at least 500+ different distributions.
>
> It's like the wild west.

So what if Linux has 500 distributions (which I'd like to see you prove)?

And, if it so bad, why do you and your family use it?


--
Rick

 

[Tattoo Vampire]

Mike P wrote:

> This is spot on. I am not going to praise MS, but they've never ripped us
> off. In fact, for what we get under the Volume licencing agreement and the
> update plans, it's actually quite good value. OK, it's not free, but I don't
> need a team of Linux boffins trying to keep everything running. MS is not
> perfect by any means, but the software *works*.

Linux *works* for millions of people, too.
--
Regards,
[tv]

....Beer: So much more than a breakfast drink.

Owner/Proprietor, Cheesus Crust Pizza Company
Good to the last supper

 

[chrisv]

Tattoo Vampire wrote:
> Mike P wrote:
>
>> This is spot on. I am not going to praise MS, but they've never
>> ripped us off. In fact, for what we get under the Volume licencing
>> agreement and the update plans, it's actually quite good value. OK,
>> it's not free, but I don't need a team of Linux boffins trying to
>> keep everything running. MS is not perfect by any means, but the
>> software *works*.
>
> Linux *works* for millions of people, too.

Those are *toadies*

 

[John Slade]

"JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote in message
news:slrng3dnng.ms8.jedi@nomad.mishnet...
> On 2008-05-23, Moshe. Goldfarb <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-care1/
>
> Apple users commenting about anything Unix is probably bound to
> generate nothing but a lot of nonsesene...
>
>>
>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are the sort who want
>> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users are those who're
>> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in the short term)
>> and
>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free, particularly
>> software."
>>
>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and completely
>> useless
>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of transparency, etc.) and
>> assume
>> that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so cosmetically made-up
>> and then there are others who only need the Terminal and can keep typing
>> on
>> it whole day long."
>>
>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any community, it
>> has
>> members with widely varying interests and preferences and the open source
>> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to try and cater to
>> every single whim and fancy of these members. The result is a cornucopia
>> of
>> free software, software that has been developed at the expense of the
>> hard
>> work and time of some of the most skilled developers on the planet, and
>> yet
>> does not have a single product that is complete in and of itself and is
>> generating any profit at all."
>
> So? That's not the point.
>
> Although the claim is highly debatable.
>
> Linux does very well in places that MacOS is never seen.
>

Wow! I just have to sit here and marvel at this statement. (Slade
marveling a lot) It's a very accurate statement in this newsgroup that
mostly consists of ignorance and mudslinging.

Linux is great for the enterprise market. It's stable, powerful and
versitile. It just doesn't catch on in the home user market right now. I
hope that will change so more professional software from the big companies
will come out for it. Also it should get more press than it does.

>>
>> " There is no way whatsoever that thousands of developers sitting in
>> front
>> of their computers in different corners of the world and spending only
>> their non-working hours trying to develop something that they know isn't
>> going to make them any money, are ever going to come up with anything
>> good
>
> This is an obvious fallacy of course.
>
> Besides, who proved that money necessarily equals better software. In
> general, it is the true professionals rather than the mercenaries that
> make the better product. They are the ones more concerned about
> excellence versus profit.

You know I heard this from a lot of Mac users over the years. They
will tell you that quality is better than quality.

John

 

[Snit]

"John Slade" <hhitman86@pacbell.net> stated in post
C4ZZj.443$Ri.376@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com on 5/24/08 11:26 AM:

> Wow! I just have to sit here and marvel at this statement. (Slade
> marveling a lot) It's a very accurate statement in this newsgroup that
> mostly consists of ignorance and mudslinging.
>
> Linux is great for the enterprise market. It's stable, powerful and
> versitile. It just doesn't catch on in the home user market right now. I
> hope that will change so more professional software from the big companies
> will come out for it. Also it should get more press than it does.

Would also help if it had a user interface that was not pretty horribly
fractured... thus making it harder to learn and harder to work with even for
people who know it well.


--
What do you call people who are afraid of Santa Claus? Claustrophobic.

 

[John Slade]

"Moshe. Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1jjsl67rniymr$.d1hhjl07keuj$.dlg@40tude.net...
> " All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore Linux. Linux users are
> never quite sure which one is the best distribution around. They have
> debates in their own community with twenty different users vouching for
> twenty different variations.

And how is this different with Unix oh I mean OS X which is a Unix
distribution. So I guess that Mac users are saying the OS X(Darwin)
distribution of Unix is better than BSD or Solaris. The person who made the
satements above lacks knowledge of what Linux, Unix and OS X are. How does
an cluless person like this get a job writing articles. Oh wait let's take a
loot at the Author's bio and laugh.

"
Aayush Arya's Profile
At the tender age of nineteen, Aayush Arya is the youngest and newest kid on
the block. After having used Windows for about five years and trying several
Linux distros, he finally bought a 17-inch MacBook Pro a year and a half ago
and has now become a convert. Known as the "tech genius" among his family
and friends, he's always had a passion for technology, and particularly
software. He is currently enrolled in a bachelor course in his country,
India, and hopes to successfully graduate one day."

Focus on, and laugh loudly at the part where it says, "Known as the
"tech genius" among his family and friends". Now laugh harder at where it
says he's 19. Now think about this what credible news or trade magazine
would hire a 19 year old kid to write main articles? This kid doesn't know
that OS X is a Unix distro. And he's lambasting Linux users for debating
what distro is better. I tell you what I think, this is a web site, there
are many many web sites. The good thing about this is anyone can have a web
page, the bad thing about it is that anyone can have a web page. This poorly
written article is indicative of the drivel we get on the Internet these
days. Anyone who can hire web designer or design themselves can fool silly
users into thinking they have some great knowledge of the subject matter.
Well here, this web stite "Apple Matters" is letting kids write articles who
haven't used computers more than ten years, write articles.

I give the kid some credit, he got at least one other clueless person
to parrot his clueless rantings about computers.

To be a journalist, a real journalist, one must do research and have
some training or you won't be a very good journalist.



John

 

[the wharf rat]

In article <69o5njF349gvlU1@mid.individual.net>,
Mike P <privacy@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>in the heavily audited and regulated world of pharmaceuticals, all our
>departments worldwide share data, everything has to be compatible at all
>times. That won't happen if we rollout Linux to the business slowly now will

Why not? Wouldn't part of your rollout strategy include
compatibility verification? Are you assuming that a linux based
solution us incapable of compatibility without testing it?

>If we now have machines running Linux and throw them into the mix, we'd have
>nothing but problems

You should try it before you assert your conclusion

>yes, they'd love to give me millions of dollars to waste on something we
>don't need, make it essential to train all our staff on a load of new apps
>(do you know how much IT training costs here in the UK?) . Wed
>
The decision to undertake a project isn't based solely on
cost but also on the expected return. Constant Microsoft upgrades
and product training (yes, product training. How do *your* users
feel about Office 2007? What did YOUR administrators do when first
faced with Active Directory?) produce effectively zero return. Moving
to a more stable and controllable platform would itself produce a net
positive.

>
>making a decision to switch to Linux would be corporate suicide

What makes you say that?

 

[Snit]

"John Slade" <hhitman86@pacbell.net> stated in post
BkZZj.448$Ri.250@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com on 5/24/08 11:43 AM:

>
> "Moshe. Goldfarb" <brick.n.straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1jjsl67rniymr$.d1hhjl07keuj$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> " All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore Linux. Linux users are
>> never quite sure which one is the best distribution around. They have
>> debates in their own community with twenty different users vouching for
>> twenty different variations.
>
> And how is this different with Unix oh I mean OS X which is a Unix
> distribution.

As far as the consumer is concerned there is one OS X. One. Sure, there
are different "distros" for different languages and a server "distro", but
for the general consumer that is irrelevant.

You are tying to tie OS X to the rest of the Unix world - and while this
makes sense in some context (OS X is a certified Unix after all) in the
context of consumer confusion it is 100% irrelevant or close enough to not
really matter.

> So I guess that Mac users are saying the OS X(Darwin) distribution of Unix is
> better than BSD or Solaris. The person who made the satements above lacks
> knowledge of what Linux, Unix and OS X are. How does an cluless person like
> this get a job writing articles. Oh wait let's take a loot at the Author's bio
> and laugh.

Well, other than the fact that your basic premise of OS X being confused in
the consumer mind with other Unix variants is utter rubbish. You recently
(and again) belittled my technical knowledge via spewing complete and utter
lies about me (in regards to backups, etc.) Well, you, John Slade, have
just proved (again) how little you understand about the very market you
claim to be closely tied to.

OS X being confused with other Unix variants in the mind of the consumer...
get real, John. Get real and get a clue.

....

> To be a journalist, a real journalist, one must do research and have
> some training or you won't be a very good journalist.

To run a computer store one should know better than you do. Period.



--
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please
everyone. -- Bill Cosby