Linux and Why Nobody Seems To Care.........

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"Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g1brj4$uli$3@aioe.org...
>>> bobby wrote:
>>>> A linux server costs over $17,000 US dollars. A Windows desktop is
>>>> $1300. Fully loaded with mulitmedia card and network capability. The
>>>> monitors are LCD and the computers come in 64 bit. 32 bit is dead.
>>>
>>> Apples/Oranges. Don't forget that Vista also comes loaded with WPA, WGA,
>>> DRM and a virus/malware vulnerabilities.
>>>
>>
>> Just like ubuntu but alias *chooses* to deny it.
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2
>> Alias is un-trustworthy and any advice he gives should be disregarded.
>> He does not wish to learn, only to antagonise and give people false
>> information.
>>
>
> It's been patched long ago

Like I said that patch doesn't fix the problems, it only stops them getting
worse.
*You* as a user have to fix it!

> but you are still harping on it like it's still a vulnerability.

It *still* is you moron!
I have no doubt that you are a moron now, you have been told enough times
the patch doesn't fix the problem only the code that caused the problem in
the first place, but you still just say "its been patched" just like a
moron.

> You get ONE vulnerability in the two years I've had Ubuntu and you act
> like it's a big deal, which, of course, it isn't.

There are plenty of other vulnerabilities listed but you choose to ignore
those too.

>
> Now, about the WGA/WPA/DRM trip in Vista? Care to address that?

Why, I don't go around lying about them in Ubuntu groups.
You are the one lying here.

How do you use BBC iPlayer to /download/ the high res films on your Ubuntu
box without the DRM required to make it work?

>
> Alias
 
On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:00:24 -0400, Tim Murray wrote:

> On Mon, 26 May 2008 08:29:52 -0400, 7 wrote:
>> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.
>
> No way. Source?

Source?
Open.


Sorry, couldn't resist :-)

--
Rick
 
Hobbes wrote:
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>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:g16pmg$ftl$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:g16nap$pf1$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:g165o2$ub2$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:g16382$8rt$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:g15vm4$8kk$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moshe. Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-care1/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sort who want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are those who're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the short term) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completely useless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of transparency,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.) and assume
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cosmetically made-up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then there are others who only need the Terminal and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can keep typing on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it whole day long."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community, it has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members with widely varying interests and preferences and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the open source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try and cater to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every single whim and fancy of these members. The result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a cornucopia of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free software, software that has been developed at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expense of the hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work and time of some of the most skilled developers on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the planet, and yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not have a single product that is complete in and of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself and is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generating any profit at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " There is no way whatsoever that thousands of developers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of their computers in different corners of the world and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their non-working hours trying to develop something that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they know isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to make them any money, are ever going to come up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with anything good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to seriously challenge software from companies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Microsoft and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple. There is just no chance at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " Linux has been around for more than a decade now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's nowhere near
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenging either Mac OS X or Windows. The vast majority
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of hardware and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software makers around the world are still shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible with Linux."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " There's no guarantee that the camera you bought today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is compatible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with your Ubuntu installation will work with Fedora Core
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too should you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change your mind in a few days, as is a common practice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among the Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enthusiasts."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. Linux users are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never quite sure which one is the best distribution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around. They have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debates in their own community with twenty different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users vouching for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twenty different variations. They constantly have to keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> figuring out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workarounds to make all their software and hardware work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't just go out and buy a new accessory, assured in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will work. They are afraid to upgrade, lest things go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And so forth......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously this guy has had experience with LinSUX because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his article is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right on the money....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you so afraid of Linux, Moshe?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think he is. All the points made in this article
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux won't make it into the mainstream as a business
>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop OS. I'm IT support manager for one of the biggest
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pharma companies in the world. There isn't a hope in hell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us ever going to Linux, mainly because of the reasons
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated above but also we have 40,000 users worldwide. Where
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would the money come to retrain them all? Who is going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay for my staff's time to rebuild all those machines with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux on them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who's going to pay to retrain all my support staff to use a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> totally new OS? What are our customers going to say when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the documents we create and send them don't open or format
>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly on their Windows boxes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It'd be like going back to the late 80s when I started in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT. We had 4 different word processing apps at my first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> company, none of which could talk to the other without an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> add-on and lots of pissing about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying Linux is a bad OS, it has it's uses, and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think if it had the coverage Windows got when Win3 first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> came out, it would probably be doing a lot better on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, but it didn't, and it won't. Saying that, I have 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> linux PCs at home, and I set my gran up with one running
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu recently, so I'm not *against* Linux per se.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it. I can go out and buy a named brand PC, with an OS
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for less than ?300 for our office. I can plug it in, and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just works when the user logs in. It sees all the servers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the drives map. It does it perfectly. OK, it's Windoze, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing is perfect. ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's see, 40,000 workstations with Vista and all need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> trained or 40,000 workstations with Ubuntu and all need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> be trained. What's the difference? Vista is expensive, both
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the software itself and the upgraded hardware, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu is free. If you want your company to stay in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> past, don't train them to use Ubuntu and train them to use
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista and fork out the money for new hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And that doesn't include the cost of cleaning off viruses
>>>>>>>>>>>> and malware from these Windows workstations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What viruses? We've not had a virus outbreak since 2002...
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, riiiiiight.
>>>>>>>>> You are free to believe what you like of course, but that is
>>>>>>>>> true. That's what happens when a WAN is set up securely and
>>>>>>>>> sensibly. Last virus we got hit by was sometime in summer 2002.
>>>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We don't need to train most users to use Vista, because XP
>>>>>>>>>>> works very well and is very stable for our needs. Even if we
>>>>>>>>>>> did, Vista isn't expensive for us, has a "familiar" feel to
>>>>>>>>>>> it, and our corporate image would be set as we've set XP up
>>>>>>>>>>> so there wouldn't be a great deal of change.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We'll only start upgrading once the machines we buy are no
>>>>>>>>>>> longer supplied with XP, even then they have a 3 year life
>>>>>>>>>>> cycle then are replaced, which is standard practice for
>>>>>>>>>>> corporate IT departments. So we won't upgrade until
>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely necessary. It's not "staying in the past", it's
>>>>>>>>>>> good business sense to use something that works reliably,
>>>>>>>>>>> which contrary to Linux users beliefs, Windows does in a
>>>>>>>>>>> corporate environment when set up correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We have a lot of in house software written for windoze, and
>>>>>>>>>>> other software ( clinical trial software, Drug regulatory
>>>>>>>>>>> software etc ) that only works on Windoze.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to hear it. What would you do if MS goes out of business?
>>>>>>>>> Riiiight... and Linux is going to do that to MS is it? I think
>>>>>>>>> not. Part of me would like to see it, but it aint going to
>>>>>>>>> happen. Linux won't make it as a serious desktop OS in my
>>>>>>>>> lifetime. I'm 36..
>>>>>>>> Ever hear of Enron? TWA? Pan Am? No one thought they would go
>>>>>>>> out of business either. MS treats their paying customers like
>>>>>>>> dirt and constantly accuses them of being thieves and you think
>>>>>>>> that the paying public is stupid enough to let that continue?
>>>>>>>> Linux won't put MS out of business MS will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pan-Am never recovered from Lockerbie, and TWA's dodgy
>>>>>>> maintenance/Boeing's iffy design led to TWA 800 disintegrating
>>>>>>> 14000ft above the Atlantic, from which the the company never
>>>>>>> recovered.
>>>>>>> Enron? well, they were just all bent weren't they?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>> So you see my point?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> Sort of, but I doubt mad Libyans are going to blow MS up
>>>>>
>>>>> -)
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike P
>>>>
>>>> No, it will be the blatant disdain that MS holds for their paying
>>>> customers that will do it, not some terrorist attack.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> What disdain does MS have for its customers?
>>
>> If you have to ask, you'll never know.
>>
>> Snip drivel.
>>
>> Alias
>>
>
> You snip the truth ... MS makes a ton of money because it "looks after"
> its customers.

LOL! Now, *that's* funny! Where have you been, under a rock!?

> Ubuntu has no customers....only users with free time.

You obviously know nothing about Ubuntu. Over a million downloads a
month including the French and Spanish government.

Alias
 
Hobbes wrote:
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>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>
>>> "Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> wrote in message
>>> news:2315708.kc4K8CaAku@ziggynet1.ziggynet...
>>>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Vista runs like a champ....It is absolutely the most stable OS ever
>>>>
>>>> LOL!!!! Yeah, it sure is. <snicker>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That the best you got...a lol and a little girly snicker.
>>> It does run like a champ ... but you are welcome to use Linux instead, I
>>> don't care.
>>> It is FREE after all....that will give you, unemployed teens, and coupon
>>> cutting grannies something in common.
>>> You all cream over free stuff.
>>>
>>
>> Air's free but you breath it. Does that make you an unemployed teen,
>> coupon cutting granny or someone who doesn't know what the hell they
>> are talking about? Hint: it's door three.
>
>
>> Alias
>
> Air is not free...there is a cost in energy expenditure to my body.
> I have to feed my body with fuel from a grocery store to continue
> breathing.

Yeah, but when you eat enough to feed your fat face, the air is free.

>
> I do know what I am talking about.

LOL! You could have fooled me!

> Linux wasn't exactly free for me, it was a waste of valuable time.

Translation: Hobbes is too stupid to install and use Ubuntu.

Alias
 
dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g1brj4$uli$3@aioe.org...
>>>> bobby wrote:
>>>>> A linux server costs over $17,000 US dollars. A Windows desktop is
>>>>> $1300. Fully loaded with mulitmedia card and network capability.
>>>>> The monitors are LCD and the computers come in 64 bit. 32 bit is dead.
>>>>
>>>> Apples/Oranges. Don't forget that Vista also comes loaded with WPA,
>>>> WGA, DRM and a virus/malware vulnerabilities.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just like ubuntu but alias *chooses* to deny it.
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-612-2
>>> Alias is un-trustworthy and any advice he gives should be disregarded.
>>> He does not wish to learn, only to antagonise and give people false
>>> information.
>>>
>>
>> It's been patched long ago
>
> Like I said that patch doesn't fix the problems, it only stops them
> getting worse.
> *You* as a user have to fix it!
>
>> but you are still harping on it like it's still a vulnerability.
>
> It *still* is you moron!

No, it isn't.

> I have no doubt that you are a moron now, you have been told enough
> times the patch doesn't fix the problem only the code that caused the
> problem in the first place, but you still just say "its been patched"
> just like a moron.

The updates also regenerate all the keys. Oops.

>
>> You get ONE vulnerability in the two years I've had Ubuntu and you act
>> like it's a big deal, which, of course, it isn't.
>
> There are plenty of other vulnerabilities listed but you choose to
> ignore those too.

Sure, Dennis, sure. Like what?

>> Now, about the WGA/WPA/DRM trip in Vista? Care to address that?
>
> Why, I don't go around lying about them in Ubuntu groups.
> You are the one lying here.

I didn't think you could take your head out of MS' ass long enough to
address that and, sure enough, you hurl an unfounded insult as usual.

>
> How do you use BBC iPlayer to /download/ the high res films on your
> Ubuntu box without the DRM required to make it work?

It's only available in the UK like I told you before when you asked this
question. I don't live in the UK.

Alias
 
On Mon, 26 May 2008 11:00:24 -0400, Tim Murray wrote:

> On Mon, 26 May 2008 08:29:52 -0400, 7 wrote:
>> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.
>
> No way. Source?

Most people realize that 7 (aka mjcr) is brain dead.
He is pretty much ignored although you will rarely if ever see a Linux
advocate correcting his idiotic figures for Linux.

Gotta seed Google with false information about Linux you know.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Tim Murray wrote:

> On Mon, 26 May 2008 08:29:52 -0400, 7 wrote:
>> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.
>
> No way. Source?


You are out of date!

Google is your friend.

Go count all the press releases over the last few months.

There are also 3 million embedded Linux gadgets sold PER DAY.
 
Alias wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:
>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:g16pmg$ftl$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:g16nap$pf1$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:g165o2$ub2$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:g16382$8rt$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:g15vm4$8kk$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moshe. Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-care1/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sort who want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are those who're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the short term) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completely useless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transparency, etc.) and assume
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cosmetically made-up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then there are others who only need the Terminal and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can keep typing on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it whole day long."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community, it has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members with widely varying interests and preferences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the open source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try and cater to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every single whim and fancy of these members. The result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a cornucopia of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free software, software that has been developed at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expense of the hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work and time of some of the most skilled developers on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the planet, and yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not have a single product that is complete in and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of itself and is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generating any profit at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " There is no way whatsoever that thousands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers sitting in front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of their computers in different corners of the world and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their non-working hours trying to develop something that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they know isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to make them any money, are ever going to come up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with anything good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to seriously challenge software from companies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Microsoft and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple. There is just no chance at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " Linux has been around for more than a decade now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's nowhere near
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenging either Mac OS X or Windows. The vast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of hardware and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software makers around the world are still shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible with Linux."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " There's no guarantee that the camera you bought today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is compatible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with your Ubuntu installation will work with Fedora Core
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too should you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change your mind in a few days, as is a common practice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among the Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enthusiasts."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. Linux users are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never quite sure which one is the best distribution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around. They have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debates in their own community with twenty different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users vouching for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twenty different variations. They constantly have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep figuring out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workarounds to make all their software and hardware work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't just go out and buy a new accessory, assured in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the knowledge that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will work. They are afraid to upgrade, lest things go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And so forth......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously this guy has had experience with LinSUX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because his article is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right on the money....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you so afraid of Linux, Moshe?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think he is. All the points made in this article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux won't make it into the mainstream as a business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop OS. I'm IT support manager for one of the biggest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pharma companies in the world. There isn't a hope in hell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us ever going to Linux, mainly because of the reasons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated above but also we have 40,000 users worldwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where would the money come to retrain them all? Who is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to pay for my staff's time to rebuild all those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines with Linux on them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who's going to pay to retrain all my support staff to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a totally new OS? What are our customers going to say when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the documents we create and send them don't open or format
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly on their Windows boxes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It'd be like going back to the late 80s when I started in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT. We had 4 different word processing apps at my first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company, none of which could talk to the other without an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add-on and lots of pissing about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying Linux is a bad OS, it has it's uses, and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think if it had the coverage Windows got when Win3 first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> came out, it would probably be doing a lot better on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, but it didn't, and it won't. Saying that, I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 linux PCs at home, and I set my gran up with one running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu recently, so I'm not *against* Linux per se.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it. I can go out and buy a named brand PC, with an OS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for less than ?300 for our office. I can plug it in, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it just works when the user logs in. It sees all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> servers, the drives map. It does it perfectly. OK, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windoze, but nothing is perfect. ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's see, 40,000 workstations with Vista and all need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be trained or 40,000 workstations with Ubuntu and all need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be trained. What's the difference? Vista is expensive,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> both for the software itself and the upgraded hardware, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu is free. If you want your company to stay in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> past, don't train them to use Ubuntu and train them to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista and fork out the money for new hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that doesn't include the cost of cleaning off viruses
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and malware from these Windows workstations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What viruses? We've not had a virus outbreak since 2002...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, riiiiiight.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are free to believe what you like of course, but that is
>>>>>>>>>> true. That's what happens when a WAN is set up securely and
>>>>>>>>>> sensibly. Last virus we got hit by was sometime in summer 2002.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't need to train most users to use Vista, because XP
>>>>>>>>>>>> works very well and is very stable for our needs. Even if we
>>>>>>>>>>>> did, Vista isn't expensive for us, has a "familiar" feel to
>>>>>>>>>>>> it, and our corporate image would be set as we've set XP up
>>>>>>>>>>>> so there wouldn't be a great deal of change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll only start upgrading once the machines we buy are no
>>>>>>>>>>>> longer supplied with XP, even then they have a 3 year life
>>>>>>>>>>>> cycle then are replaced, which is standard practice for
>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate IT departments. So we won't upgrade until
>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely necessary. It's not "staying in the past", it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> good business sense to use something that works reliably,
>>>>>>>>>>>> which contrary to Linux users beliefs, Windows does in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate environment when set up correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We have a lot of in house software written for windoze, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> other software ( clinical trial software, Drug regulatory
>>>>>>>>>>>> software etc ) that only works on Windoze.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to hear it. What would you do if MS goes out of business?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Riiiight... and Linux is going to do that to MS is it? I think
>>>>>>>>>> not. Part of me would like to see it, but it aint going to
>>>>>>>>>> happen. Linux won't make it as a serious desktop OS in my
>>>>>>>>>> lifetime. I'm 36..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ever hear of Enron? TWA? Pan Am? No one thought they would go
>>>>>>>>> out of business either. MS treats their paying customers like
>>>>>>>>> dirt and constantly accuses them of being thieves and you think
>>>>>>>>> that the paying public is stupid enough to let that continue?
>>>>>>>>> Linux won't put MS out of business MS will.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pan-Am never recovered from Lockerbie, and TWA's dodgy
>>>>>>>> maintenance/Boeing's iffy design led to TWA 800 disintegrating
>>>>>>>> 14000ft above the Atlantic, from which the the company never
>>>>>>>> recovered.
>>>>>>>> Enron? well, they were just all bent weren't they?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you see my point?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sort of, but I doubt mad Libyans are going to blow MS up
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it will be the blatant disdain that MS holds for their paying
>>>>> customers that will do it, not some terrorist attack.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What disdain does MS have for its customers?
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have to ask, you'll never know.
>>>
>>> Snip drivel.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>
>>
>> You snip the truth ... MS makes a ton of money because it "looks
>> after" its customers.
>
>
> LOL! Now, *that's* funny! Where have you been, under a rock!?
>
>> Ubuntu has no customers....only users with free time.
>
>
> You obviously know nothing about Ubuntu. Over a million downloads a
> month including the French and Spanish government.
>
> Alias
Back to your usual lying I see.
Figures!
Frank
 
Alias wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:
>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g16svi$afq$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:g16rrk$1fq$1@aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:g16pmg$ftl$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:g16nap$pf1$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:g165o2$ub2$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:g16382$8rt$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:g15vm4$8kk$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moshe. Goldfarb wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.applematters.com/article/about-linux-and-why-nobody-seems-to-care1/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " The general consensus seems to be that Mac users are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sort who want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the best in quality, no expenses spared Windows users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are those who're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for the best bang for their buck (generally in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the short term) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux users are the ones who want everything for free,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " Some Linux users are easily dazzled by superfluous and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completely useless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effects (wobbly windows, blatant overuse of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transparency, etc.) and assume
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it must be better than Mac OS X because it's so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cosmetically made-up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and then there are others who only need the Terminal and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can keep typing on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it whole day long."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " The problem with the Linux community is that, like any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community, it has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members with widely varying interests and preferences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the open source
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers are developing hundreds of distributions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try and cater to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every single whim and fancy of these members. The result
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a cornucopia of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free software, software that has been developed at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expense of the hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work and time of some of the most skilled developers on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the planet, and yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not have a single product that is complete in and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of itself and is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generating any profit at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " There is no way whatsoever that thousands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers sitting in front
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of their computers in different corners of the world and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their non-working hours trying to develop something that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they know isn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to make them any money, are ever going to come up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with anything good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to seriously challenge software from companies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Microsoft and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple. There is just no chance at all."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " Linux has been around for more than a decade now and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's nowhere near
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenging either Mac OS X or Windows. The vast
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of hardware and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software makers around the world are still shipping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> products that are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incompatible with Linux."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " There's no guarantee that the camera you bought today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and is compatible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with your Ubuntu installation will work with Fedora Core
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too should you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change your mind in a few days, as is a common practice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> among the Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enthusiasts."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " All of this and more are reasons enough to ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux. Linux users are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never quite sure which one is the best distribution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around. They have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debates in their own community with twenty different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users vouching for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> twenty different variations. They constantly have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep figuring out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workarounds to make all their software and hardware work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't just go out and buy a new accessory, assured in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the knowledge that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will work. They are afraid to upgrade, lest things go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And so forth......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously this guy has had experience with LinSUX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because his article is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right on the money....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are you so afraid of Linux, Moshe?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think he is. All the points made in this article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are valid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux won't make it into the mainstream as a business
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop OS. I'm IT support manager for one of the biggest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pharma companies in the world. There isn't a hope in hell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of us ever going to Linux, mainly because of the reasons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated above but also we have 40,000 users worldwide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where would the money come to retrain them all? Who is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to pay for my staff's time to rebuild all those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines with Linux on them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Who's going to pay to retrain all my support staff to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a totally new OS? What are our customers going to say when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the documents we create and send them don't open or format
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly on their Windows boxes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It'd be like going back to the late 80s when I started in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IT. We had 4 different word processing apps at my first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company, none of which could talk to the other without an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add-on and lots of pissing about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying Linux is a bad OS, it has it's uses, and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think if it had the coverage Windows got when Win3 first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> came out, it would probably be doing a lot better on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, but it didn't, and it won't. Saying that, I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 linux PCs at home, and I set my gran up with one running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu recently, so I'm not *against* Linux per se.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Face it. I can go out and buy a named brand PC, with an OS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for less than ?300 for our office. I can plug it in, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it just works when the user logs in. It sees all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> servers, the drives map. It does it perfectly. OK, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windoze, but nothing is perfect. ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's see, 40,000 workstations with Vista and all need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be trained or 40,000 workstations with Ubuntu and all need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be trained. What's the difference? Vista is expensive,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> both for the software itself and the upgraded hardware, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu is free. If you want your company to stay in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> past, don't train them to use Ubuntu and train them to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista and fork out the money for new hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that doesn't include the cost of cleaning off viruses
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and malware from these Windows workstations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What viruses? We've not had a virus outbreak since 2002...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, riiiiiight.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are free to believe what you like of course, but that is
>>>>>>>>>> true. That's what happens when a WAN is set up securely and
>>>>>>>>>> sensibly. Last virus we got hit by was sometime in summer 2002.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't need to train most users to use Vista, because XP
>>>>>>>>>>>> works very well and is very stable for our needs. Even if we
>>>>>>>>>>>> did, Vista isn't expensive for us, has a "familiar" feel to
>>>>>>>>>>>> it, and our corporate image would be set as we've set XP up
>>>>>>>>>>>> so there wouldn't be a great deal of change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll only start upgrading once the machines we buy are no
>>>>>>>>>>>> longer supplied with XP, even then they have a 3 year life
>>>>>>>>>>>> cycle then are replaced, which is standard practice for
>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate IT departments. So we won't upgrade until
>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely necessary. It's not "staying in the past", it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> good business sense to use something that works reliably,
>>>>>>>>>>>> which contrary to Linux users beliefs, Windows does in a
>>>>>>>>>>>> corporate environment when set up correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We have a lot of in house software written for windoze, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> other software ( clinical trial software, Drug regulatory
>>>>>>>>>>>> software etc ) that only works on Windoze.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to hear it. What would you do if MS goes out of business?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Riiiight... and Linux is going to do that to MS is it? I think
>>>>>>>>>> not. Part of me would like to see it, but it aint going to
>>>>>>>>>> happen. Linux won't make it as a serious desktop OS in my
>>>>>>>>>> lifetime. I'm 36..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ever hear of Enron? TWA? Pan Am? No one thought they would go
>>>>>>>>> out of business either. MS treats their paying customers like
>>>>>>>>> dirt and constantly accuses them of being thieves and you think
>>>>>>>>> that the paying public is stupid enough to let that continue?
>>>>>>>>> Linux won't put MS out of business MS will.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pan-Am never recovered from Lockerbie, and TWA's dodgy
>>>>>>>> maintenance/Boeing's iffy design led to TWA 800 disintegrating
>>>>>>>> 14000ft above the Atlantic, from which the the company never
>>>>>>>> recovered.
>>>>>>>> Enron? well, they were just all bent weren't they?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you see my point?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sort of, but I doubt mad Libyans are going to blow MS up
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike P
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it will be the blatant disdain that MS holds for their paying
>>>>> customers that will do it, not some terrorist attack.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What disdain does MS have for its customers?
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have to ask, you'll never know.
>>>
>>> Snip drivel.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>
>>
>> You snip the truth ... MS makes a ton of money because it "looks
>> after" its customers.
>
>
> LOL! Now, *that's* funny! Where have you been, under a rock!?
>
>> Ubuntu has no customers....only users with free time.
>
>
> You obviously know nothing about Ubuntu. Over a million downloads a
> month including the French and Spanish government.
>
> Alias
Back to your usual lying I see.
Figures!
Frank
 
Alias wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:
>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g1blhf$6b6$3@aioe.org...
>>
>>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tattoo Vampire" <sitting@this.computer> wrote in message
>>>> news:2315708.kc4K8CaAku@ziggynet1.ziggynet...
>>>>
>>>>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Vista runs like a champ....It is absolutely the most stable OS ever
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL!!!! Yeah, it sure is. <snicker>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That the best you got...a lol and a little girly snicker.
>>>> It does run like a champ ... but you are welcome to use Linux
>>>> instead, I
>>>> don't care.
>>>> It is FREE after all....that will give you, unemployed teens, and
>>>> coupon
>>>> cutting grannies something in common.
>>>> You all cream over free stuff.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Air's free but you breath it. Does that make you an unemployed teen,
>>> coupon cutting granny or someone who doesn't know what the hell they
>>> are talking about? Hint: it's door three.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Air is not free...there is a cost in energy expenditure to my body.
>> I have to feed my body with fuel from a grocery store to continue
>> breathing.
>
>
> Yeah, but when you eat enough to feed your fat face, the air is free.
>
>>
>> I do know what I am talking about.
>
>
> LOL! You could have fooled me!
>
>> Linux wasn't exactly free for me, it was a waste of valuable time.
>
>
> Translation: Hobbes is too stupid to install and use Ubuntu.
>
> Alias

You always get that wrong. Most people are smart enough to install and
try ubuntu, but not dumb enough (you're the exception) to keep using it.
Frank
 
7 wrote:

> Micoshaft fraudster and asstroturfer Moshe. Goldfarb wrote on behalf of Half
> Wits from Micoshaft Corporation:
>
>
>>h
>
>
> Simply untrue lies printed by micoshaft fraudsters
> on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation marketing department.
>
> There are 3 million embedded Linux gadgets sold PER DAY.
> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.
> Thats a lot of people who care.
>
> What about WINDUMMIES?
>
> WINDUMMIES CAN now get the sack for using micoshaft products!
>
> Anyone caught using IE and other strange software to browse
> or log into online services to download viruses, trojans, malware,
> crapware, spyware, botnetware are all sackable.
> It s in many companys' terms and conditions of employment.
>
> Easy solution: Change everyone over to Firefox and Linux.
> Being in charge ahead of disruptions and grabbing the bull by
> the horn is essential part of running a business.
>
> WINDUMMY OSen is now unrepairable. More viruses, trojans, spyware,
> botnetware and malware are released per day than all the Micoshaft, its
> partners, and anti-virus companies and their engineers can release fixes.
>
> The micoshaft platform is un-repairable.
> You can and SHOULD get sacked for installing Micoshaft products in secure
> internet facing, banking and government applications.
>
> Time to move everything over to Linux to protect company assets, banks
> and government assets.
>
> ATILLA THE HUN SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT SAYS:
>
> IT management with strong stomach should experiment with deleting
> veteran WINDUMMY PCs and watch the fallout.
> Laugh as your enemies cringe, genuflect and shrieek about you.
> Move everything to Linux.
> Deploy standby developers to port applications and write applets.
> Take notes and re-apply experiences to next person on the list.
>
>
> http://www.livecdlist.com
> http://www.distrowatch.com
You're on drugs or drunk or both, right?
Frank
 
On Mon, 26 May 2008 10:20:01 -0700, Frank wrote:

> 7 wrote:
>
>> Micoshaft fraudster and asstroturfer Moshe. Goldfarb wrote on behalf of Half
>> Wits from Micoshaft Corporation:
>>
>>
>>>h
>>
>>
>> Simply untrue lies printed by micoshaft fraudsters
>> on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation marketing department.
>>
>> There are 3 million embedded Linux gadgets sold PER DAY.
>> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.
>> Thats a lot of people who care.
>>
>> What about WINDUMMIES?
>>
>> WINDUMMIES CAN now get the sack for using micoshaft products!
>>
>> Anyone caught using IE and other strange software to browse
>> or log into online services to download viruses, trojans, malware,
>> crapware, spyware, botnetware are all sackable.
>> It s in many companys' terms and conditions of employment.
>>
>> Easy solution: Change everyone over to Firefox and Linux.
>> Being in charge ahead of disruptions and grabbing the bull by
>> the horn is essential part of running a business.
>>
>> WINDUMMY OSen is now unrepairable. More viruses, trojans, spyware,
>> botnetware and malware are released per day than all the Micoshaft, its
>> partners, and anti-virus companies and their engineers can release fixes.
>>
>> The micoshaft platform is un-repairable.
>> You can and SHOULD get sacked for installing Micoshaft products in secure
>> internet facing, banking and government applications.
>>
>> Time to move everything over to Linux to protect company assets, banks
>> and government assets.
>>
>> ATILLA THE HUN SCHOOL OF MANAGEMENT SAYS:
>>
>> IT management with strong stomach should experiment with deleting
>> veteran WINDUMMY PCs and watch the fallout.
>> Laugh as your enemies cringe, genuflect and shrieek about you.
>> Move everything to Linux.
>> Deploy standby developers to port applications and write applets.
>> Take notes and re-apply experiences to next person on the list.
>>
>>
>> http://www.livecdlist.com
>> http://www.distrowatch.com
> You're on drugs or drunk or both, right?
> Frank

7 aka mjcr, is brain damaged.
Most people consider him mentally retarded.

--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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Frank wrote:

> You're on drugs or drunk or both, right?

Jealous because you can afford neither?
 
"7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
news:l5C_j.9705$DZ6.4072@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> Tim Murray wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 08:29:52 -0400, 7 wrote:
>>> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.
>>
>> No way. Source?
>
>
> You are out of date!
>
> Google is your friend.
>
> Go count all the press releases over the last few months.
>
> There are also 3 million embedded Linux gadgets sold PER DAY.

You should back up your claim. It would be great if Linux were growing
that fast. Where did you get that data please?

John
 
John Slade wrote:
> "7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
> news:l5C_j.9705$DZ6.4072@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Tim Murray wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 08:29:52 -0400, 7 wrote:
>>>> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.
>>> No way. Source?
>>
>> You are out of date!
>>
>> Google is your friend.
>>
>> Go count all the press releases over the last few months.
>>
>> There are also 3 million embedded Linux gadgets sold PER DAY.
>
> You should back up your claim. It would be great if Linux were growing
> that fast. Where did you get that data please?


http://www.geek.com/splashtop-linux-desktop-to-appear-on-every-asus-motherboard/index.php

"We first heard about Splashtop back in October, when the instant-on
Linux desktop was announced. At the time it was a really exciting
concept–and it still is–but Asus only rolled out the technology on
high-end motherboards like the P5E3 Deluxe/WiFi-AP. So if you wanted to
drop $300 on a motherboard you could get Express Gate (Asus-branded
Splashtop), but everyone else was left out in the cold. Despite lots of
initial interest, we have not heard a lot about Splashtop since then."


"DeviceVM, the makers of Splashtop, just made a big announcement though.
Their technology will no longer be restricted to the top-shelf
motherboards and will see a much wider release. At first it will be
featured on Asus’ P5Q (high-efficiency design, Intel P45 chipset) family
of motherboards, starting with the P5Q Deluxe, P5Q-WS, P5Q3 Deluxe, and
P5Q-E. Later Splashtop will be featured on all the company’s
motherboards, over a million units a month."

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/05/prweb942944.htm

"Branded "Express Gate" by ASUS, Splashtop enables users to access the
Internet seconds after turning on their PC. Splashtop premiered on
high-end ASUS motherboards in October 2007 and launched on mainstream M3
series in January 2008. The newest motherboards will be available in the
second quarter of 2008."

"In response to great user feedback, our plan is to proliferate Express
Gate across our entire motherboard product portfolio, starting with over
one million motherboards per month," says Joe Hsieh, General Manager,
ASUS Motherboard Business Unit. "Consumers want to turn their PCs on and
off like any other appliance, and Express Gate has made that possible."

http://www.embedded.com/columns/guest/207602734

"Sony recently announced that one of its BRAVIA LCD TV factories will
double production from 2 million TV sets per year to 4 million to meet
growing demand in Europe. Sony has sold more than 20 million of these
TVs, and they're all built with embedded Linux. "

"Remember that Gandhi quote? Nobody ignores embedded Linux now. Nobody
laughs at it. Some companies still fight it by claiming that Linux is
flawed or isn't worth dealing with, but embedded Linux continues to win."

"Analyst firms don't agree on how many device engineers use embedded
Linux, but they all say the number is substantial: 21% of developers use
embedded Linux, according to last year's Embedded Systems Design survey
36.7%, according to current research by Embedded Market Forecasters.
This April, VDC reported that Linux is now the leading embedded OS. It
shouldn't be surprising. After all, commercial Linux vendors succeed
because they understand what design engineers are looking for. "

http://ciel.sbm.itb.ac.id/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=125&Itemid=72

"Linux-related services deliver more than $1 billion in annual revenue
to both IBM and HP. Oracle strongly promotes and likewise derives
revenue from the Linux platform, with the so-called "unbreakable Linux"
guarantee. In an attempt to catch the Linux wave, companies such as
Computer Associates and Peoplesoft are porting their applications to
Linux on ambitious timeframes. "


http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/04/09/Linux-showing-signs-of-solid-growth_1.html

"Linux showing signs of solid growth
IDC study shows workloads running on Linux servers are shifting to
become more business oriented, including databases and line-of-business
apps "

"The IDC paper found that total Linux spending -- including customer
acquisitions of hardware, software, and related services -- totaled $21
billion in 2007 and is expected to grow past $50 billion in 2011. "


http://gigaom.com/2007/11/05/limo-2/

ABI Research predicts that Mobile Linux will be the fastest growing
smartphone OS over the next five years and that Linux-based smartphones
will account for about 31 percent of such devices by 2012. Smartphone
shipments during this period are expected to total 331 million,
according to the market research firm. The impetus for such rosy
forecasts for Mobile Linux comes from the carriers, who are looking to
standardize on three platforms: Symbian, Windows Mobile and Mobile Linux.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
 
On Mon, 26 May 2008 20:57:51 -0700, John Slade wrote:

> "7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
> news:l5C_j.9705$DZ6.4072@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Tim Murray wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 08:29:52 -0400, 7 wrote:
>>>> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.
>>>
>>> No way. Source?
>>
>>
>> You are out of date!
>>
>> Google is your friend.
>>
>> Go count all the press releases over the last few months.
>>
>> There are also 3 million embedded Linux gadgets sold PER DAY.
>
> You should back up your claim. It would be great if Linux were growing
> that fast. Where did you get that data please?
>
> John

The same place most of the Linux advocates in COLA get their data......
They make it up!

See "Roy Schestowitz" for details.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
On 2008-05-27, John Slade <hhitman86@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> "7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
> news:l5C_j.9705$DZ6.4072@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Tim Murray wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 08:29:52 -0400, 7 wrote:
>>>> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.
>>>
>>> No way. Source?
>>
>>
>> You are out of date!
>>
>> Google is your friend.
>>
>> Go count all the press releases over the last few months.
>>
>> There are also 3 million embedded Linux gadgets sold PER DAY.
>
> You should back up your claim. It would be great if Linux were growing
> that fast. Where did you get that data please?

It's hard to say. Linux is in a lot of places from phones, to routers,
to TV's, to STBs, to mp3 players. It's probably in a lot of places where
it's completely invisible.

A lot of people use Linux without realizing it.


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On 2008-05-27, John Slade <hhitman86@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> "7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
> news:43y_j.9559$DZ6.446@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>> Micoshaft fraudster and asstroturfer Moshe. Goldfarb wrote on behalf of
>> Half
>> Wits from Micoshaft Corporation:
>>
>>>
>>> h
>>
>> Simply untrue lies printed by micoshaft fraudsters
>> on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation marketing department.
>>
>> There are 3 million embedded Linux gadgets sold PER DAY.
>> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.
>> Thats a lot of people who care.
>>
>> What about WINDUMMIES?
>>
>> WINDUMMIES CAN now get the sack for using micoshaft products!
>>
>> Anyone caught using IE and other strange software to browse
>> or log into online services to download viruses, trojans, malware,
>> crapware, spyware, botnetware are all sackable.
>> It s in many companys' terms and conditions of employment.
>>
>
> This is just plain silly. There is a ton of great software for Windows

Like what?

Tell me why I might want to DUMP my Linux machne so I can run all
those "great Windows apps"?

[deletia]

...also, one big problem with Windows is the herd mentality there
which greatly undermines the idea of exploiting a diverse ecosystem of
independently created software.

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On Tue, 27 May 2008 12:14:13 -0700, JEDIDIAH wrote
(in article <slrng3onc5.op1.jedi@nomad.mishnet>):

> On 2008-05-27, John Slade <hhitman86@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> "7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
>> news:43y_j.9559$DZ6.446@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>> Micoshaft fraudster and asstroturfer Moshe. Goldfarb wrote on behalf of
>>> Half
>>> Wits from Micoshaft Corporation:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> h
>>>
>>> Simply untrue lies printed by micoshaft fraudsters
>>> on behalf of Micoshaft Corporation marketing department.
>>>
>>> There are 3 million embedded Linux gadgets sold PER DAY.
>>> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.
>>> Thats a lot of people who care.
>>>
>>> What about WINDUMMIES?
>>>
>>> WINDUMMIES CAN now get the sack for using micoshaft products!
>>>
>>> Anyone caught using IE and other strange software to browse
>>> or log into online services to download viruses, trojans, malware,
>>> crapware, spyware, botnetware are all sackable.
>>> It s in many companys' terms and conditions of employment.
>>>
>>
>> This is just plain silly. There is a ton of great software for Windows
>
> Like what?
>
> Tell me why I might want to DUMP my Linux machne so I can run all
> those "great Windows apps"?
>
> [deletia]
>
> ...also, one big problem with Windows is the herd mentality there
> which greatly undermines the idea of exploiting a diverse ecosystem of
> independently created software.
>
>

You are all living in Microsoft's shadow. People talk all the time about
Linux innovation and freedom from the constraints of the Microsoft world, but
this is just wishful thinking.

Microsoft has been holding-back the entire computer industry for more than a
decade. We are much further behind in GUI development, and workspace
development and in productivity development than we should be at this point
because Microsoft holds the reigns of the entire industry. It designs its
OSes to follow the old application centric paradigm and as long as Windows
works that way, the rest of the industry CAN NOT change - that includes the
Linux world which COULD change the paradigm, but won't because people are
used to the way MS does things.
 
On Tue, 27 May 2008 12:11:39 -0700, JEDIDIAH wrote
(in article <slrng3on7b.op1.jedi@nomad.mishnet>):

> On 2008-05-27, John Slade <hhitman86@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> "7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
>> news:l5C_j.9705$DZ6.4072@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>> Tim Murray wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 08:29:52 -0400, 7 wrote:
>>>>> There are 1 million new Linux desktops installed PER WEEK.
>>>>
>>>> No way. Source?
>>>
>>>
>>> You are out of date!
>>>
>>> Google is your friend.
>>>
>>> Go count all the press releases over the last few months.
>>>
>>> There are also 3 million embedded Linux gadgets sold PER DAY.
>>
>> You should back up your claim. It would be great if Linux were growing
>> that fast. Where did you get that data please?
>
> It's hard to say. Linux is in a lot of places from phones, to routers,
> to TV's, to STBs, to mp3 players. It's probably in a lot of places where
> it's completely invisible.
>
> A lot of people use Linux without realizing it.

Embedded and server use is not desktops and therefore sort of irrelevant to
this discussion.
 

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