XP *and* Vista co-exist in the market?

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"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In article <u6ihweztIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
> Steve Thackery <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Obviously the marketing machine in Microsoft isn't stupid, and they must
>>have considered this. Does anyone know - or have an opinion - on why
>>Microsoft are forcing their customers to use Vista after next month, even
>>if
>>it makes the customer unhappy?
>>
>
> Because Vista requires that you purchase new hardware and new software
> in addition to the new operating system. That makes Microsoft business
> partners
> and subsidiaries happy. Microsoft is far more concerned with keeping
> those
> entities happy than with anything a customer might think.

And all you are doing is regurgitating what has been said EVERY time a new
OS has been rolled out. It's called progress skippy. Each new iteration
requires more capable equipment to keep up with the requirements OF their
customers. If this were not the case we would still be running 8088's, CGA,
with 64k of RAM on a CLI. If you actually have worked in the industry any
length of time you would understand this. But as is the wont of all you
smacktards, you fall back on the old "Evil Empire" MS antipathy card. You
see, this is the way a business works. Companies are are out to make money.
In order to do this, they need to see their product whatever this may be.
Along the way, customers will indicate their needs/requirements. As these
things increase, this places heavier requirements on the systems. This is as
simplistically as it can be explained, but unfortunately, you smacktards
fail to comprehend this time and time again.

Here is an idea for you. If you cannot comprehend how things work, or are
too inept to be able to make your system function properly, then computers
are not for you skippy. Go buy an X-Box, or a Nintendo and game all day. It
is quite obvious from the posts you smacktards make that you cannot
comprehend how things work in the real world, and certainly are unable to
make it in the industry.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
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> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eoeqWC3tIHA.2292@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> "the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:g0k0ug$1f1$1@reader2.panix.com...
>>>>>> In article <u6ihweztIHA.1936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
>>>>>> Steve Thackery <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously the marketing machine in Microsoft isn't stupid, and they
>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>> have considered this. Does anyone know - or have an opinion - on
>>>>>>> why
>>>>>>> Microsoft are forcing their customers to use Vista after next month,
>>>>>>> even if
>>>>>>> it makes the customer unhappy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because Vista requires that you purchase new hardware and new
>>>>>> software
>>>>>> in addition to the new operating system. That makes Microsoft
>>>>>> business partners
>>>>>> and subsidiaries happy. Microsoft is far more concerned with keeping
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> entities happy than with anything a customer might think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am running the same hardware setup that I had for XP..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, so you're using Vista Basic?
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope.. I am running Vista Ultimate.. all bells and whistles..
>>>
>>>
>>
>> So you bought the machine knowing that you would need it for Vista.
>> Enough said and thanks for stepping into the trap.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Are you on strong medications?

The problem Mike, is that his meds are clearly NOT strong enough. Me for
instance, I just needed a machine to replace my old XP dualie. I didn't care
WHAT OS it had on it, as I have my choice, and like many others I use what
makes me most productive. Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, time and
again, this is something Alias, and his smacktard crew cannot or will not
comprehend.

> Any machine supplied with MCE 2005 is well up to the task of running
> Vista. Many hobbyists and all serious gamers had machines which would be
> more than enough to run Vista.
>
> Mine was not supplied with MCE 2005 (it is a home build), neither is it a
> serious gaming machine.
>
> I stepped in no trap, but you are still using FUD to discredit Vista..

You should rephrase that bud. He is TRYING to discredit Vista. He is no
better at that, than he is apparently at anything else. He has proven over
and over that he lacks any skills whatsoever, and replies solely on his
attempted smear campaign to cover his blatant inadequacies.

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"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
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>>
>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
>> before it was released.
>>
>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good
>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>
>
>
> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista Home
> Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call high end.

I got my Acer on eBay for $275, and it flies with VHP. And it damn sure
isn't high end either...hehehe

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"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
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> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
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>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
>>>>> before it was released.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very good
>>>>> job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>>> high end.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to
>>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of
>>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in
>> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high
>> end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2
>> RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very
>> well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I
>> consider to be decent quality.
>>
>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>
>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another
>> $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you
>> should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has
>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where
>> you live. The system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet
>> Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>
>> --
>> Kerry Brown
>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Kerry
>
> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America, and
> taxation plays its part.
>
> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant country,
> because it is anything but peasant. For sure some of the old ways of life
> still exist, but Spain is as technologically advanced as most countries,
> and has been the only European country growing over the last few years.
>
> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one can get
> computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as one can in
> other countries.

But Mike, didn't you know he subsists on an allowance from mommy and daddy,
and is relegated to getting his parts from the dumpsters scattered around
his town? This is why he is stuck running a free OS that cannot even break a
1% share on the desktop, and therefore cannot become as productive as the
rest of us are. Cut the poor little fellow some slack...)

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"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
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> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0npar$7o8$2@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>>>>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what
>>>>>>>> I'd call high end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware
>>>>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the
>>>>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living
>>>>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is
>>>>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name
>>>>>> brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will
>>>>>> run Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware
>>>>>> which is what I consider to be decent quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>>>>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>>>>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>>>>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>>>>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>>>>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be
>>>>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.
>>>>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live
>>>>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is
>>>>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered
>>>>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Kerry Brown
>>>>>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
>>>>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry
>>>>>
>>>>> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America, and
>>>>> taxation plays its part.
>>>>
>>>> So does MS' iron fist.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant
>>>>> country, because it is anything but peasant.
>>>>
>>>> I have *never* said that. Frank has but I haven't. I live here and
>>>> know. Spain is growing by leaps and bounds.
>>>>
>>>>> For sure some of the old ways of life still exist, but Spain is as
>>>>> technologically advanced as most countries, and has been the only
>>>>> European country growing over the last few years.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think you saying something I don't know?
>>>>>
>>>>> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one can
>>>>> get computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as one can
>>>>> in other countries.
>>>>
>>>> Parts, yes. MS software, no.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> You once claimed that Vista was cheaper in some retail outlets, that one
>>> didn't have to pay full recommended price everywhere..
>>
>> No, I didn't. I said that if you buy it wholesale, it's cheaper.
>> Nonetheless, it's still cheaper in the US to buy a generic OEM than a
>> generic OEM here. I have a license to buy wholesale, which means I can
>> buy generic OEMs. Most people do not.
>>
>>>
>>> So software isn't so bad, and cheap parts are readily available. And you
>>> problem is?
>>
>> My problem isn't with Spain but Microsoft for their discriminating and
>> unfair pricing tactics.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Its as well you don't drive, otherwise you would have a problem with
> Ford's EU pricing compared to US too..

He prefers to stick with his little burro Pepe....lol

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"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
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> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
>>>>>> before it was released.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>>>> high end.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to
>>>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of
>>>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in
>>> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high
>>> end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2
>>> RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very
>>> well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I
>>> consider to be decent quality.
>>>
>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>
>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?
>>
>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another
>>> $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you
>>> should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has
>>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative to
>>> where you live. The system specs would not be considered high end
>>> anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista (or
>> XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete computer. If
>> I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a friend to buy
>> it in the States and send it to me.
>>
>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold
>> and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it never
>> goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you
> know about computers..

NOW you're getting it bud....:)

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"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
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> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>>>>>> high end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware
>>>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the
>>>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living
>>>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is
>>>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name
>>>>> brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run
>>>>> Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is
>>>>> what I consider to be decent quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>
>>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?
>>>>
>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>>>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>>>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>>>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>>>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>>>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be
>>>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.
>>>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live
>>>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is
>>>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered
>>>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista
>>>> (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete
>>>> computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a
>>>> friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold
>>>> and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it
>>>> never goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you
>>> know about computers..
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Again, Mike plays the more knowledgeable than thou card like a true MS
>> fanboy. Frank would be proud of you.
>>
>> Fact is, you know more than I and I know more than you.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> The fact is that I have also lived and worked in Spain, and France, and
> the UK, and the US. You may be able to pull the wool over the eyes of
> some, but you will not get away with doing it to me..

Actually, other than the other smacktards, no one here gives the little spud
any credibility.

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dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0opc1$b9u$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You've made two claims:
>>>>
>>>> 1. I don't know anything about computers
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> 2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.
>>>
>>> As evidence I would add
>>>
>>> http://www.computerworld.com/action...ArticleBasic&articleId=9085980&intsrc=hm_list
>>>
>>
>> From the article:
>>
>> "Moore, ISC's Zdrnja and others have recommended that Debian and
>> Ubuntu users patch their systems -- updates are available". The Update
>> is an orange star that appears with a big balloon stating updates are
>> available. Gosh, that's hard to figure out. Do think that Ubuntu users
>> can get that done without help?
>
> Do you think the patch solves the problem?

With a clean install, yes.

> Do you want to admit that you don't understand the problem here?

I don't need to understand the intricacies to know what to do about it.
I've never claimed to be a computer expert or an engineer.

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dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>>> news:oHOXj.276267$pM4.195619@pd7urf1no...
>>>
>>>> Abet, we don't get so screwed as Spain. But if it is local
>>>> retailers, why not let the users just download it, spit them a PDF
>>>> with keys and have one (legal) price for the whole world and not
>>>> this price fixing?
>>>
>>> Spain is a part of the EU, anyone, including Alias can buy from
>>> anywhere in the EU and pay their prices and tax.
>>> If anyone really wanted too they can order from ebuyer.co.uk and pay
>>> and have it shipped to Spain.
>>> The same as I can buy stuff in Germany and have it shipped to the UK.
>>> The pricing that alias uses is just a smoke screen, nothing else.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> So, you're saying the pricing I quoted is a lie and that the stores
>> put those prices on their web site are only kidding and sell it for less?
>>
>> Puhlease.
>
> So you say you can't buy stuff when I have just given you a web site
> where you can.
> Are saying I am lying?
>
> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123067 if you are build a machine only ~90
> euros.
> Maybe you qualify for this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/142780
> then there are other places too.
> Of course if you *need* Spanish maybe the ultimate edition is best.
>
>>
>> Alias
>

LOL! See this and see if you can find how much they charge to ship to Spain:

http://www.ebuyer.com/special/1293

You really should read the web sites you post before posting them.

Alias
 
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> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
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>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...
>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what
>>>>> I'd call high end.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware
>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the
>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living
>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is
>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name
>>> brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will
>>> run Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware
>>> which is what I consider to be decent quality.
>>>
>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>
>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be
>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.
>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live
>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is
>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered
>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kerry Brown
>>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America, and
>> taxation plays its part.
>>
>> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant
>> country, because it is anything but peasant. For sure some of the old
>> ways of life still exist, but Spain is as technologically advanced as
>> most countries, and has been the only European country growing over
>> the last few years.
>>
>> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one can
>> get computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as one can
>> in other countries.
>
> But Mike, didn't you know he subsists on an allowance from mommy and
> daddy,

I get my first Social Security check in October. My "mommy" has been
dead for over a decade and my father hasn't sent me money since I was in
college. Oops.

> and is relegated to getting his parts from the dumpsters
> scattered around his town?

I buy all my parts brand new. Oops.

> This is why he is stuck running a free OS
> that cannot even break a 1% share on the desktop, and therefore cannot
> become as productive as the rest of us are. Cut the poor little fellow
> some slack...)

Do you always make up lies when you can't address the issues? Are you
Frank's brother?

Alias
 
DarkSentinel wrote:
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:CC2EC0D6-ECA6-4CD1-9B9D-92884EBC77C6@microsoft.com...
>>>
>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
>>> before it was released.
>>>
>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>> high end.
>
> I got my Acer on eBay for $275, and it flies with VHP. And it damn sure
> isn't high end either...hehehe
>

Neither are you.

Alias
 
"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:g0pqrk$dbd$1@aioe.org...
> dennis@home wrote:


>> Do you think the patch solves the problem?
>
> With a clean install, yes.

See you don't understand the problem.
A clean install does not fix the problem.
There are an unknown number of machines out there that may be exploited and
you don't have any protection.
You don't even know if you can trust the servers you get your updates from.
You certainly didn't know if you could trust it when you downloaded your
install software.
What's more the server admins don't know if they were spoofed either so they
can't tell you.
This is what happens when you think you are invulnerable, things break and
when they do they break in a big way.
Its safe to say the problem could be the most serious problem this century.

>
>> Do you want to admit that you don't understand the problem here?
>
> I don't need to understand the intricacies to know what to do about it.
> I've never claimed to be a computer expert or an engineer.

You can't even read simple stuff that explains the problem.
You don't want to listen to anyone telling you about the problem.

>
> Alias
 
"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:g0pr50$dbd$2@aioe.org...
> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0pbd5$dpe$4@aioe.org...
>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:oHOXj.276267$pM4.195619@pd7urf1no...
>>>>
>>>>> Abet, we don't get so screwed as Spain. But if it is local retailers,
>>>>> why not let the users just download it, spit them a PDF with keys and
>>>>> have one (legal) price for the whole world and not this price fixing?
>>>>
>>>> Spain is a part of the EU, anyone, including Alias can buy from
>>>> anywhere in the EU and pay their prices and tax.
>>>> If anyone really wanted too they can order from ebuyer.co.uk and pay
>>>> and have it shipped to Spain.
>>>> The same as I can buy stuff in Germany and have it shipped to the UK.
>>>> The pricing that alias uses is just a smoke screen, nothing else.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, you're saying the pricing I quoted is a lie and that the stores put
>>> those prices on their web site are only kidding and sell it for less?
>>>
>>> Puhlease.
>>
>> So you say you can't buy stuff when I have just given you a web site
>> where you can.
>> Are saying I am lying?
>>
>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123067 if you are build a machine only ~90
>> euros.
>> Maybe you qualify for this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/142780
>> then there are other places too.
>> Of course if you *need* Spanish maybe the ultimate edition is best.
>>
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>
> LOL! See this and see if you can find how much they charge to ship to
> Spain:
>
> http://www.ebuyer.com/special/1293
>
> You really should read the web sites you post before posting them.

Maybe you should ask them?
 
dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0pqrk$dbd$1@aioe.org...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>
>
>>> Do you think the patch solves the problem?
>>
>> With a clean install, yes.
>
> See you don't understand the problem.
> A clean install does not fix the problem.
> There are an unknown number of machines out there that may be exploited
> and you don't have any protection.
> You don't even know if you can trust the servers you get your updates from.
> You certainly didn't know if you could trust it when you downloaded your
> install software.

I have a CD mailed to me from Ubuntu.

Alias
> What's more the server admins don't know if they were spoofed either so
> they can't tell you.
> This is what happens when you think you are invulnerable, things break
> and when they do they break in a big way.
> Its safe to say the problem could be the most serious problem this century.
>
>>
>>> Do you want to admit that you don't understand the problem here?
>>
>> I don't need to understand the intricacies to know what to do about
>> it. I've never claimed to be a computer expert or an engineer.
>
> You can't even read simple stuff that explains the problem.
> You don't want to listen to anyone telling you about the problem.
>
>>
>> Alias
>
 
"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:g0paab$bqu$1@aioe.org...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0opc1$b9u$1@aioe.org...
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:g0nlvg$rh5$2@aioe.org...
>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>>>>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a
>>>>>>>>>>> very good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what
>>>>>>>>>> I'd call high end.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap
>>>>>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even
>>>>>>>>> cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are
>>>>>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of
>>>>>>>> RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of
>>>>>>>> name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that
>>>>>>>> will run Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the
>>>>>>>> hardware which is what I consider to be decent quality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all
>>>>>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you
>>>>>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end.
>>>>>>>> It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The
>>>>>>>> system will be stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista
>>>>>>>> Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen
>>>>>>>> LCD would be another $200.00. The complete system with Vista
>>>>>>>> Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds
>>>>>>>> like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your computing
>>>>>>>> experience. In any case cost is relative to where you live. The
>>>>>>>> system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet Vista
>>>>>>>> runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista
>>>>>>> (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete
>>>>>>> computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would
>>>>>>> get a friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the
>>>>>>> cold and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and
>>>>>>> it never goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that
>>>>>> you know about computers..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, Mike plays the more knowledgeable than thou card like a true MS
>>>>> fanboy. Frank would be proud of you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fact is, you know more than I and I know more than you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The fact is that I have also lived and worked in Spain, and France, and
>>>> the UK, and the US. You may be able to pull the wool over the eyes of
>>>> some, but you will not get away with doing it to me..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You've made two claims:
>>>
>>> 1. I don't know anything about computers
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> 2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.
>>>
>>> Can you explain or are you like Frank and just insult people because you
>>> can?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> When you responded to Kerry initially with "no video card, no sound
>> card?', that showed that you didn't know that virtually all motherboards,
>> especially at the cheaper end, invariably have integrated video, sound,
>> LAN. If you worked on computers, you would know this, whether in the US
>> or EU.
>
> I have known this for over a decade. I also know that low end GPUs and
> audio cards are not expensive.
>
>> Re prices, the US has always had cheap prices compared to the rest of the
>> world. It isn't just Microsoft. Europeans have traditionally paid double
>> the price that Americans pay for any commodity/product. I understand that
>> Australia is even worse.
>
> Give me a break! I have spoken with three major computer store chains in
> Spain and ALL of them tell me MS sets their prices and prohibits them from
> selling a generic OEM version of Windows or Office without a complete
> computer. Wine is cheaper in Spain than the US and, guess what, hot shot,
> wine is a commodity. I can list many things that are cheaper in Spain than
> in the US but anything MS isn't on the list.
>
> Alias

Your best bet is to download Ubuntu and say Fedora. Pass them out free to
anyone who asks. As M$ loses share quietly, and fails to recognize
(publicly) the real penetration of Linux, they just dig their grave deeper
and faster.

As Linux is going to be the thing Microsoft can't stop.

No, I don't predict a MS demise, that will take 10-15 years. But Linux will
be death by a billion cuts, one cut at a time.
 
"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:g0opho$b9u$2@aioe.org...
> Canuck57 wrote:
>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
>> news:%239py6bGuIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>>>>>> high end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware
>>>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the
>>>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living
>>>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is
>>>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name
>>>>> brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run
>>>>> Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is
>>>>> what I consider to be decent quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?
>>>>
>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>>>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>>>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>>>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>>>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>>>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be
>>>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.
>>>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live
>>>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is
>>>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered
>>>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista
>>>> (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete
>>>> computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a
>>>> friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold
>>>> and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it
>>>> never goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the question :-)
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you
>>> know about computers..
>>
>> Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft
>> anti-trust conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory pricing and
>> the like.
>>
>> Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a
>> Spanish course, always liked the people.
>
> In the last year, I have seen Ubuntu discussed in magazines, newspapers
> and TV. I asked the computer chains which OS was requested the most. XP
> was first, followed by Ubuntu and Vista.
>
> If you're serious about Spain, send me an email.
>
> Alias

I would, but need to convince my wife. Technically, I could retire now but
a little early yet to do that. Will work on this though....
 
"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
news:6C25082F-D4E4-42E7-ACE3-17F5A2572A83@microsoft.com...
>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0pb4g$dpe$3@aioe.org...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>>> news:N8OXj.276233$pM4.242810@pd7urf1no...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you
>>>>> know about computers..
>>>>
>>>> Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft
>>>> anti-trust conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory pricing
>>>> and the like.
>>>
>>> So M$ are guilty of having inflated prices and predatory pricing at the
>>> same time?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a
>>>> Spanish course, always liked the people.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good for Linux maybe, not so good for Ubuntu anymore.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Really? How so?
>
> People can use a different linux distro and not have a two year security
> hole.. opps no your right the hole buggers up more than Ubuntu if you
> move keys about.

I think that is the point. Linux isn't WeSaySo corp. Want to run a
different distro, perhaps one that supports your language better, by all
means do so. No one is forcing, cohersing or bundling Linux. When Linux
gains a user, it does so out of free will and choice.

xNIX, Live Free Or Die!
http://www.unix.org/license-plate.html
 
Canuck57 wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0opho$b9u$2@aioe.org...
>> Canuck57 wrote:
>>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%239py6bGuIHA.4376@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>>>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>>>>>>> high end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware
>>>>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the
>>>>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living
>>>>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is
>>>>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name
>>>>>> brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run
>>>>>> Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is
>>>>>> what I consider to be decent quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>>>>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>>>>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>>>>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>>>>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>>>>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be
>>>>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.
>>>>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live
>>>>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is
>>>>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered
>>>>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM Vista
>>>>> (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a complete
>>>>> computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP, I would get a
>>>>> friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the cold
>>>>> and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year and it
>>>>> never goes under 5�C so Canada is completely out of the question :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you
>>>> know about computers..
>>> Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft
>>> anti-trust conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory pricing and
>>> the like.
>>>
>>> Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a
>>> Spanish course, always liked the people.
>> In the last year, I have seen Ubuntu discussed in magazines, newspapers
>> and TV. I asked the computer chains which OS was requested the most. XP
>> was first, followed by Ubuntu and Vista.
>>
>> If you're serious about Spain, send me an email.
>>
>> Alias
>
> I would, but need to convince my wife.

Tell her that maids are cheap in Spain :-)

> Technically, I could retire now but
> a little early yet to do that. Will work on this though....

I start getting Social Security benefits in October but I'm not going to
stop working, just keep the businesses in my wife's name.

Alias
 
DarkSentinel wrote:
>
>
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
> news:#OPmiYOuIHA.3792@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0opri$di3$1@aioe.org...
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:g0npar$7o8$2@aioe.org...
>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end
>>>>>>>>>> hardware long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a
>>>>>>>>>> very good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly
>>>>>>>>> what I'd call high end.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap
>>>>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't
>>>>>>>> even cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are
>>>>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB
>>>>>>> of RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada
>>>>>>> 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical
>>>>>>> configuration that will run Vista very well and is easily under
>>>>>>> $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be decent
>>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all
>>>>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you
>>>>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high
>>>>>>> end. It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no
>>>>>>> problems. The system will be stable, all drivers are easily
>>>>>>> available. OEM Vista Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A
>>>>>>> decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another $200.00. The complete
>>>>>>> system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to
>>>>>>> Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has
>>>>>>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative
>>>>>>> to where you live. The system specs would not be considered high
>>>>>>> end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Kerry Brown
>>>>>>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
>>>>>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America,
>>>>>> and taxation plays its part.
>>>>>
>>>>> So does MS' iron fist.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant
>>>>>> country, because it is anything but peasant.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have *never* said that. Frank has but I haven't. I live here and
>>>>> know. Spain is growing by leaps and bounds.
>>>>>
>>>>>> For sure some of the old ways of life still exist, but Spain is as
>>>>>> technologically advanced as most countries, and has been the only
>>>>>> European country growing over the last few years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think you saying something I don't know?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one
>>>>>> can get computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as
>>>>>> one can in other countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Parts, yes. MS software, no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You once claimed that Vista was cheaper in some retail outlets, that
>>>> one didn't have to pay full recommended price everywhere..
>>>
>>> No, I didn't. I said that if you buy it wholesale, it's cheaper.
>>> Nonetheless, it's still cheaper in the US to buy a generic OEM than a
>>> generic OEM here. I have a license to buy wholesale, which means I
>>> can buy generic OEMs. Most people do not.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So software isn't so bad, and cheap parts are readily available. And
>>>> you problem is?
>>>
>>> My problem isn't with Spain but Microsoft for their discriminating
>>> and unfair pricing tactics.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Its as well you don't drive, otherwise you would have a problem with
>> Ford's EU pricing compared to US too..
>
> He prefers to stick with his little burro Pepe....lol
>

Once again an MS fanboy spews an unfounded insulting lie. Ho hum, how
predictable can you get?

Alias
 
dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0pr50$dbd$2@aioe.org...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0pbd5$dpe$4@aioe.org...
>>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:oHOXj.276267$pM4.195619@pd7urf1no...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Abet, we don't get so screwed as Spain. But if it is local
>>>>>> retailers, why not let the users just download it, spit them a PDF
>>>>>> with keys and have one (legal) price for the whole world and not
>>>>>> this price fixing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Spain is a part of the EU, anyone, including Alias can buy from
>>>>> anywhere in the EU and pay their prices and tax.
>>>>> If anyone really wanted too they can order from ebuyer.co.uk and
>>>>> pay and have it shipped to Spain.
>>>>> The same as I can buy stuff in Germany and have it shipped to the UK.
>>>>> The pricing that alias uses is just a smoke screen, nothing else.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, you're saying the pricing I quoted is a lie and that the stores
>>>> put those prices on their web site are only kidding and sell it for
>>>> less?
>>>>
>>>> Puhlease.
>>>
>>> So you say you can't buy stuff when I have just given you a web site
>>> where you can.
>>> Are saying I am lying?
>>>
>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123067 if you are build a machine only
>>> ~90 euros.
>>> Maybe you qualify for this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/142780
>>> then there are other places too.
>>> Of course if you *need* Spanish maybe the ultimate edition is best.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>
>> LOL! See this and see if you can find how much they charge to ship to
>> Spain:
>>
>> http://www.ebuyer.com/special/1293
>>
>> You really should read the web sites you post before posting them.
>
> Maybe you should ask them?

They ONLY deliver in the UK. Read the web site you quoted. I don't care,
personally, because I buy all my software in the USA and a friend mails
it to me. The last generic OEM XP Pro I bought was purchased from
NewEgg. Fact is MS is ripping off EU countries and you are trying to
defend that practice which, of course, reveals you to be a shill for MS
and an inconsiderate twit.

Alias
 

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