XP *and* Vista co-exist in the market?

[Mike Hall - MVP]

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:g0opri$di3$1@aioe.org...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0npar$7o8$2@aioe.org...
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>>>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...
>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>>>>>> high end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware
>>>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the
>>>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living
>>>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is
>>>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name
>>>>> brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run
>>>>> Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is
>>>>> what I consider to be decent quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>
>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>>>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>>>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>>>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>>>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>>>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be
>>>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.
>>>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live
>>>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is
>>>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered
>>>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kerry Brown
>>>>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
>>>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kerry
>>>>
>>>> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America, and
>>>> taxation plays its part.
>>>
>>> So does MS' iron fist.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant
>>>> country, because it is anything but peasant.
>>>
>>> I have *never* said that. Frank has but I haven't. I live here and know.
>>> Spain is growing by leaps and bounds.
>>>
>>>> For sure some of the old ways of life still exist, but Spain is as
>>>> technologically advanced as most countries, and has been the only
>>>> European country growing over the last few years.
>>>
>>> Do you think you saying something I don't know?
>>>>
>>>> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one can
>>>> get computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as one can
>>>> in other countries.
>>>
>>> Parts, yes. MS software, no.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> You once claimed that Vista was cheaper in some retail outlets, that one
>> didn't have to pay full recommended price everywhere..
>
> No, I didn't. I said that if you buy it wholesale, it's cheaper.
> Nonetheless, it's still cheaper in the US to buy a generic OEM than a
> generic OEM here. I have a license to buy wholesale, which means I can buy
> generic OEMs. Most people do not.
>
>>
>> So software isn't so bad, and cheap parts are readily available. And you
>> problem is?
>
> My problem isn't with Spain but Microsoft for their discriminating and
> unfair pricing tactics.
>
> Alias


Its as well you don't drive, otherwise you would have a problem with Ford's
EU pricing compared to US too..


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[dennis@home]

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> You've made two claims:
>
> 1. I don't know anything about computers
>
> and
>
> 2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.

As evidence I would add

http://www.computerworld.com/action...ArticleBasic&articleId=9085980&intsrc=hm_list

and the fact that you choose the word "yawn" when asked if you have fixed
the Ubuntu computers you have installed.
You don't think its a problem so it proves that either you know little or
that you are pulling the wool over peoples eyes or both.

>
> Can you explain or are you like Frank and just insult people because you
> can?

You do your own share of insulting people here including calling them liars
when they point out your "errors".

>
> Alias

 

[dennis@home]

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
news:N8OXj.276233$pM4.242810@pd7urf1no...


>>
>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you
>> know about computers..
>
> Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft
> anti-trust conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory pricing and
> the like.

So M$ are guilty of having inflated prices and predatory pricing at the same
time?


>
> Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a Spanish
> course, always liked the people.
>

Good for Linux maybe, not so good for Ubuntu anymore.

 

[dennis@home]

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
newsHOXj.276267$pM4.195619@pd7urf1no...

> Abet, we don't get so screwed as Spain. But if it is local retailers, why
> not let the users just download it, spit them a PDF with keys and have one
> (legal) price for the whole world and not this price fixing?

Spain is a part of the EU, anyone, including Alias can buy from anywhere in
the EU and pay their prices and tax.
If anyone really wanted too they can order from ebuyer.co.uk and pay and
have it shipped to Spain.
The same as I can buy stuff in Germany and have it shipped to the UK.
The pricing that alias uses is just a smoke screen, nothing else.

 

[Alias]

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0opc1$b9u$1@aioe.org...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0nlvg$rh5$2@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end
>>>>>>>>>> hardware long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a
>>>>>>>>>> very good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly
>>>>>>>>> what I'd call high end.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap
>>>>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't
>>>>>>>> even cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are
>>>>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB
>>>>>>> of RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada
>>>>>>> 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical
>>>>>>> configuration that will run Vista very well and is easily under
>>>>>>> $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be decent
>>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all
>>>>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you
>>>>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high
>>>>>>> end. It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no
>>>>>>> problems. The system will be stable, all drivers are easily
>>>>>>> available. OEM Vista Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A
>>>>>>> decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another $200.00. The complete
>>>>>>> system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to
>>>>>>> Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has
>>>>>>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative
>>>>>>> to where you live. The system specs would not be considered high
>>>>>>> end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM
>>>>>> Vista (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a
>>>>>> complete computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP,
>>>>>> I would get a friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the
>>>>>> cold and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year
>>>>>> and it never goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the
>>>>>> question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that
>>>>> you know about computers..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again, Mike plays the more knowledgeable than thou card like a true
>>>> MS fanboy. Frank would be proud of you.
>>>>
>>>> Fact is, you know more than I and I know more than you.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> The fact is that I have also lived and worked in Spain, and France,
>>> and the UK, and the US. You may be able to pull the wool over the
>>> eyes of some, but you will not get away with doing it to me..
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You've made two claims:
>>
>> 1. I don't know anything about computers
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.
>>
>> Can you explain or are you like Frank and just insult people because
>> you can?
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> When you responded to Kerry initially with "no video card, no sound
> card?', that showed that you didn't know that virtually all
> motherboards, especially at the cheaper end, invariably have integrated
> video, sound, LAN. If you worked on computers, you would know this,
> whether in the US or EU.

I have known this for over a decade. I also know that low end GPUs and
audio cards are not expensive.

> Re prices, the US has always had cheap prices compared to the rest of
> the world. It isn't just Microsoft. Europeans have traditionally paid
> double the price that Americans pay for any commodity/product. I
> understand that Australia is even worse.

Give me a break! I have spoken with three major computer store chains in
Spain and ALL of them tell me MS sets their prices and prohibits them
from selling a generic OEM version of Windows or Office without a
complete computer. Wine is cheaper in Spain than the US and, guess what,
hot shot, wine is a commodity. I can list many things that are cheaper
in Spain than in the US but anything MS isn't on the list.

Alias

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
newsHOXj.276267$pM4.195619@pd7urf1no...
>
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
> news:eJxDSbGuIHA.4528@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...
>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware long
>>>>>> before it was released.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>>>> high end.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware to
>>>> build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the cost of
>>>> buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living in
>>> the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is high
>>> end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand DDR2
>>> RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista very
>>> well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I
>>> consider to be decent quality.
>>>
>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>
>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another
>>> $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you
>>> should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain has
>>> impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is relative to
>>> where you live. The system specs would not be considered high end
>>> anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kerry Brown
>>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Kerry
>>
>> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America, and
>> taxation plays its part.
>>
>> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant country,
>> because it is anything but peasant. For sure some of the old ways of life
>> still exist, but Spain is as technologically advanced as most countries,
>> and has been the only European country growing over the last few years.
>>
>> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one can get
>> computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as one can in
>> other countries.
>
> First, Canada has a tax treaty called NAFTA. Explain:
> - why is MS products 20-30% higher in Canada, it isn't taxes.
> - why will US companies sell books, PCs but not MS over the border?
>
> Abet, we don't get so screwed as Spain. But if it is local retailers, why
> not let the users just download it, spit them a PDF with keys and have one
> (legal) price for the whole world and not this price fixing?
>
> Cuts out the middle man too. Shrink wrap is so last century. I don't
> even load Solaris with physical CD/DVDs any more. Haven't for three
> years. Ditto Linux. (Yes, Linux loads over a network).
>
> Taiwan, real cheap. Eee PC, special price, abet not Vista fatware but XP
> re-incarnated. You know, the defunct OS. I can get Eee PCs here in
> Canada for the same price as California, XP or Linux. BTW, over a million
> Eee PCs with Linux sold. That extra memory is nice.
>
> Come now...Microsoft is no longer competitive and is predatory in pricing.
> Bet I could buy a copy of XP (english) legal cheaper in the orient than in
> the US, even Redmond.
>
> MS is digging its grave.
>


Free trade maybe, but until recently, the exchange rate was not favorable
for buying US goods in Canada. Now, US products are the same price on both
sides of the border, but the US will not buy Canadian now because it is more
expensive than it was..

--
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http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
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[Alias]

dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0opc1$b9u$1@aioe.org...
>
>
>>
>> You've made two claims:
>>
>> 1. I don't know anything about computers
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.
>
> As evidence I would add
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/action...ArticleBasic&articleId=9085980&intsrc=hm_list
>
>
> and the fact that you choose the word "yawn" when asked if you have
> fixed the Ubuntu computers you have installed.

I answered it in another thread. Why should I do round and update
computers? No one that sells or installs Windows does that and it wasn't
part of the agreement I made with them.

> You don't think its a problem so it proves that either you know little
> or that you are pulling the wool over peoples eyes or both.

It is a problem and I have never said it isn't. If asked, I will give my
advice. No one has paid me for a service contract.

>> Can you explain or are you like Frank and just insult people because
>> you can?
>
> You do your own share of insulting people here including calling them
> liars when they point out your "errors".

There's a big difference between that and when Frank spews his lies,
insults, profanity, weird sexual fantasies and bluster. The question is
why you *never* call him on it. Does having Vista installed give one a
license to be like Frank?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0opri$di3$1@aioe.org...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g0npar$7o8$2@aioe.org...
>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>>>>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end
>>>>>>>>> hardware long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a
>>>>>>>>> very good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what
>>>>>>>> I'd call high end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap
>>>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even
>>>>>>> cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are
>>>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB
>>>>>> of RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada
>>>>>> 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical
>>>>>> configuration that will run Vista very well and is easily under
>>>>>> $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be decent
>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all
>>>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you
>>>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end.
>>>>>> It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems.
>>>>>> The system will be stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM
>>>>>> Vista Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide
>>>>>> screen LCD would be another $200.00. The complete system with
>>>>>> Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to Canada. It
>>>>>> sounds like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your
>>>>>> computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where you
>>>>>> live. The system specs would not be considered high end anywhere
>>>>>> yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Kerry Brown
>>>>>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
>>>>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerry
>>>>>
>>>>> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America,
>>>>> and taxation plays its part.
>>>>
>>>> So does MS' iron fist.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant
>>>>> country, because it is anything but peasant.
>>>>
>>>> I have *never* said that. Frank has but I haven't. I live here and
>>>> know. Spain is growing by leaps and bounds.
>>>>
>>>>> For sure some of the old ways of life still exist, but Spain is as
>>>>> technologically advanced as most countries, and has been the only
>>>>> European country growing over the last few years.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think you saying something I don't know?
>>>>>
>>>>> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one
>>>>> can get computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as
>>>>> one can in other countries.
>>>>
>>>> Parts, yes. MS software, no.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> You once claimed that Vista was cheaper in some retail outlets, that
>>> one didn't have to pay full recommended price everywhere..
>>
>> No, I didn't. I said that if you buy it wholesale, it's cheaper.
>> Nonetheless, it's still cheaper in the US to buy a generic OEM than a
>> generic OEM here. I have a license to buy wholesale, which means I can
>> buy generic OEMs. Most people do not.
>>
>>>
>>> So software isn't so bad, and cheap parts are readily available. And
>>> you problem is?
>>
>> My problem isn't with Spain but Microsoft for their discriminating and
>> unfair pricing tactics.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Its as well you don't drive, otherwise you would have a problem with
> Ford's EU pricing compared to US too..
>
>

Just because others do it too doesn't make it right or didn't your mommy
teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?

Alias

 

[Alias]

dennis@home wrote:
>
>
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g0opc1$b9u$1@aioe.org...
>
>
>>
>> You've made two claims:
>>
>> 1. I don't know anything about computers
>>
>> and
>>
>> 2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.
>
> As evidence I would add
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/action...ArticleBasic&articleId=9085980&intsrc=hm_list
>

From the article:

"Moore, ISC's Zdrnja and others have recommended that Debian and Ubuntu
users patch their systems -- updates are available". The Update is an
orange star that appears with a big balloon stating updates are
available. Gosh, that's hard to figure out. Do think that Ubuntu users
can get that done without help?

Alias

 

[Alias]

dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
> news:N8OXj.276233$pM4.242810@pd7urf1no...
>
>
>>>
>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that
>>> you know about computers..
>>
>> Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft
>> anti-trust conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory pricing
>> and the like.
>
> So M$ are guilty of having inflated prices and predatory pricing at the
> same time?
>
>
>>
>> Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a
>> Spanish course, always liked the people.
>>
>
> Good for Linux maybe, not so good for Ubuntu anymore.
>
>

Really? How so?

Alias

 

[Alias]

dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
> newsHOXj.276267$pM4.195619@pd7urf1no...
>
>> Abet, we don't get so screwed as Spain. But if it is local retailers,
>> why not let the users just download it, spit them a PDF with keys and
>> have one (legal) price for the whole world and not this price fixing?
>
> Spain is a part of the EU, anyone, including Alias can buy from anywhere
> in the EU and pay their prices and tax.
> If anyone really wanted too they can order from ebuyer.co.uk and pay and
> have it shipped to Spain.
> The same as I can buy stuff in Germany and have it shipped to the UK.
> The pricing that alias uses is just a smoke screen, nothing else.
>
>
>
>

So, you're saying the pricing I quoted is a lie and that the stores put
those prices on their web site are only kidding and sell it for less?

Puhlease.

Alias

 

[Kerry Brown]

"Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
news:nwOXj.147771$Cj7.96965@pd7urf2no...
>
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:ACCA7C71-EDF0-48E4-9F41-B8D4E17907FD@microsoft.com...
>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>> news:UlGXj.146998$Cj7.110714@pd7urf2no...
>>>
>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...
>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a very
>>>>>>> good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with Vista
>>>>>> Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what I'd call
>>>>>> high end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap hardware
>>>>> to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even cover the
>>>>> cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are living
>>>> in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of RAM is
>>>> high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of name brand
>>>> DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that will run Vista
>>>> very well and is easily under $500.00 for the hardware which is what I
>>>> consider to be decent quality.
>>>>
>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>
>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all recognised
>>>> brand names. If you're not particular about where you shop you could
>>>> probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end. It will run any
>>>> edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The system will be
>>>> stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista Home Premium is
>>>> $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be
>>>> another $200.00. The complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00.
>>>> Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live
>>>> in Spain has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is
>>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be considered
>>>> high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>
>>> You are quoting OEM versions. He is talking the full retail. You know,
>>> the better ones that are complete and recoverable. You also are without
>>> office tools. Add in business or ultimate office tools you are well
>>> over the $1000, more than twice the price of the total hardware package.
>>
>> Generic OEM disks are a full install just like a retail disk. You may be
>> thinking of the large OEMs like Dell and HP. I wouldn't wish that user
>> experience on anyone. They install so much crap even a Quad Core would
>> struggle. As for Office you are the first person to mention it. I don't
>> see it anywhere else in the thread. Open Office runs equally well on
>> Vista or Linux so there's no difference there. If you need Microsoft
>> Office then despite what people say about Wine you really need a
>> Microsoft OS to run it properly.
>
> Never have run MS-Office under wine, always use Open Office. It does run
> equally as well on multiple platforms, which is great in my profession.
>
>
>>> Me, got a Q6600, 4GB RAM, 22" wide LCD, 500GB drive, Vista (not so)
>>> Premium x64 OEM, keyboard, mouse, cables, $749 at Best Buy. No assembly
>>> required and a warranty. But I did a refit, to 8GB RAM, 2nd hard drive
>>> and a dedicated 8500GT 256M fanless video.
>>>
>>> Runs Vista like a pig (file/network copy specifically), but Ubuntu with
>>> Compiz, smoking hot and fast.
>>>
>>
>> Then something is wrong. I dual boot Ubuntu and Vista Business on this
>> laptop. They run about the same speed doing the same tasks. If anything
>> the Vista Atheros wireless driver is a little faster than the MadWifi
>> driver in Ubuntu so wireless is a bit faster in Vista on this machine.
>> Other than that I don't notice much difference other than the UI. Both
>> have been very stable with few problems.
>
> Where I hit problems that really gets me can be summed up as:
>
> - copy disk to disk, large files, painfully slow compared to XP or Linux.
> - copy to/from the network, again, painfully slow
> - CIFS shares, haven't got them working with Samba (yet).
> - they still haven't fixed 8 year old bugs in Express/Mail.
>
> Running Fedora or Ubuntu on the same hardware does not show the same
> issues. Seems very Vista specific. And with Linux, can use NFS native for
> the media storage and quick...
>
> My 3 year old XP, no problems, but it is different hardware but
> older/slower hardware. IDE versus SATA etc.
>
> On my laptop, the Atheros driver works like lighting using Ubuntu, Fedora
> or OpenBSD. But haven't tried it with Vista. Given my laptop has only
> 512M, that would be a time waster to bring Vista near it.
>
> For network though, I did pull up Vista performance monitor of sorts,
> square topped at 5mbs on a 100MBS network. Never could get it to do
> better. Tied dozens of things. I may be extra sensitive to this as I
> routinely copy around DVD sized ISO/zip images. And Vista, not liveable.
> XP was always slower than Linux, but comparable. Vista, slugware.
>
> Didn't have any Vista crashes though. This part of Vista, never
> experienced. Stable yes, slow, yes. Incompatible yes. Keeping my XP
> alive and running. And don't have to update VMWare. Treating Vista as a
> sunk unrecoverable cost on the last PC. MS tax if you will. Only real
> value was if a customer needs me to use it I will not be blank faced.
>


My laptop uses the Atheros 5007eg chipset which isn't supported in any of
the current distros I've tried. I was surprised it wasn't in Hardy Heron.
You have to download and compile the driver from madwifi.org. Acer had Vista
x86 and x64 drivers for download. It is definitely faster in Vista.

I initially had some problems with slow networking and file copies. I
routinely copy DVD iso's from my server to workstations. I do a lot of beta
testing and store a lot of iso's on the server. I copy them to a local drive
for use with vm's. This was painfully slow when I first started using Vista.
I found I had to RDP to the server from the Vista machine and start the copy
from the server. I replaced my router with a newer model and some of the
problems went away. With the old router I had to disable most of the
advanced networking features in Vista to get any speed at all. It did get
better as I installed updates. I'm guessing the switch in the old router
couldn't handle the advanced features properly. Currently with SP1 and the
new router network file transfers with Vista are on par with Linux. On some
computers Linux is slightly faster, on some Vista wins. I'm guessing this is
because of drivers, not the OS. I don't have XP anywhere but in vm's anymore
and that wouldn't be a fair comparison so I can't comment on Vista vs XP
file transfers. Transferring many small files from USB flash drives still
seems a little slow in Vista but other than that, for me, the file copy
problems have been sorted.

--
Kerry Brown
MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0nlvg$rh5$2@aioe.org...
>>
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end
>>>>>>>>> hardware long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a
>>>>>>>>> very good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what
>>>>>>>> I'd call high end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap
>>>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even
>>>>>>> cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are
>>>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB
>>>>>> of RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada
>>>>>> 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical
>>>>>> configuration that will run Vista very well and is easily under
>>>>>> $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be decent
>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all
>>>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you
>>>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end.
>>>>>> It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems.
>>>>>> The system will be stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM
>>>>>> Vista Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide
>>>>>> screen LCD would be another $200.00. The complete system with
>>>>>> Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to Canada. It
>>>>>> sounds like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your
>>>>>> computing experience. In any case cost is relative to where you
>>>>>> live. The system specs would not be considered high end anywhere
>>>>>> yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM
>>>>> Vista (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a
>>>>> complete computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or XP,
>>>>> I would get a friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the
>>>>> cold and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year
>>>>> and it never goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the
>>>>> question
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that
>>>> you know about computers..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Again, Mike plays the more knowledgeable than thou card like a true
>>> MS fanboy. Frank would be proud of you.
>>>
>>> Fact is, you know more than I and I know more than you.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>>
>> The fact is that I have also lived and worked in Spain, and France,
>> and the UK, and the US. You may be able to pull the wool over the eyes
>> of some, but you will not get away with doing it to me..
>>
>>
>
> You've made two claims:
>
> 1. I don't know anything about computers
>
> and
>
> 2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.
>
> Can you explain or are you like Frank and just insult people because you
> can?
>
> Alias

Can you explain why you're even here?
Frank

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0opc1$b9u$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:g0nlvg$rh5$2@aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:g0n00k$984$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end
>>>>>>>>>>> hardware long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a
>>>>>>>>>>> very good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly
>>>>>>>>>> what I'd call high end.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap
>>>>>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't
>>>>>>>>> even cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are
>>>>>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB
>>>>>>>> of RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada
>>>>>>>> 2GB of name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical
>>>>>>>> configuration that will run Vista very well and is easily under
>>>>>>>> $500.00 for the hardware which is what I consider to be decent
>>>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No video or audio card? Are these Canadian or US dollars?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all
>>>>>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you
>>>>>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high
>>>>>>>> end. It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no
>>>>>>>> problems. The system will be stable, all drivers are easily
>>>>>>>> available. OEM Vista Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00.
>>>>>>>> A decent 19" wide screen LCD would be another $200.00. The
>>>>>>>> complete system with Vista Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should
>>>>>>>> move to Canada. It sounds like your decision to live in Spain
>>>>>>>> has impacted your computing experience. In any case cost is
>>>>>>>> relative to where you live. The system specs would not be
>>>>>>>> considered high end anywhere yet Vista runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, in Spain, you can't buy a copy of a generic OEM
>>>>>>> Vista (or XP for that matter), only retail, unless you buy a
>>>>>>> complete computer. If I wanted to buy another copy of Vista or
>>>>>>> XP, I would get a friend to buy it in the States and send it to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, I didn't move to Spain for computer prices. I hate the
>>>>>>> cold and where I live, there's sunshine at least 300 days a year
>>>>>>> and it never goes under 5ºC so Canada is completely out of the
>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that
>>>>>> you know about computers..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, Mike plays the more knowledgeable than thou card like a true
>>>>> MS fanboy. Frank would be proud of you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fact is, you know more than I and I know more than you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The fact is that I have also lived and worked in Spain, and France,
>>>> and the UK, and the US. You may be able to pull the wool over the
>>>> eyes of some, but you will not get away with doing it to me..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You've made two claims:
>>>
>>> 1. I don't know anything about computers
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> 2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.
>>>
>>> Can you explain or are you like Frank and just insult people because
>>> you can?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>>
>> When you responded to Kerry initially with "no video card, no sound
>> card?', that showed that you didn't know that virtually all
>> motherboards, especially at the cheaper end, invariably have
>> integrated video, sound, LAN. If you worked on computers, you would
>> know this, whether in the US or EU.
>
>
> I have known this for over a decade. I also know that low end GPUs and
> audio cards are not expensive.
>
>> Re prices, the US has always had cheap prices compared to the rest of
>> the world. It isn't just Microsoft. Europeans have traditionally paid
>> double the price that Americans pay for any commodity/product. I
>> understand that Australia is even worse.
>
>
> Give me a break! I have spoken with three major computer store chains in
> Spain and ALL of them tell me MS sets their prices and prohibits them
> from selling a generic OEM version of Windows or Office without a
> complete computer.

Did they pull your leg with the bells or the one with the whistles on it?

Wine is cheaper in Spain than the US and, guess what,
> hot shot, wine is a commodity.

So you're a drunkard just like mr pig huh?
Figures.

I can list many things that are cheaper
> in Spain than in the US but anything MS isn't on the list.

The EU's mario the dictator would blow a gasket if they even thought
that MS was setting the retail price of it's software in Europe. You
know nothing as you continually demonstrate in this ng.
Stick to selling free software to little old ladies, loser.
Frank

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> dennis@home wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0opc1$b9u$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> You've made two claims:
>>>
>>> 1. I don't know anything about computers
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> 2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.
>>
>>
>> As evidence I would add
>>
>> http://www.computerworld.com/action...ArticleBasic&articleId=9085980&intsrc=hm_list
>>
>>
>> and the fact that you choose the word "yawn" when asked if you have
>> fixed the Ubuntu computers you have installed.
>
>
> I answered it in another thread. Why should I do round and update
> computers? No one that sells or installs Windows does that and it wasn't
> part of the agreement I made with them.
>
>> You don't think its a problem so it proves that either you know little
>> or that you are pulling the wool over peoples eyes or both.
>
>
> It is a problem and I have never said it isn't. If asked, I will give my
> advice. No one has paid me for a service contract.
>
>>> Can you explain or are you like Frank and just insult people because
>>> you can?
>>
>>
>> You do your own share of insulting people here including calling them
>> liars when they point out your "errors".
>
>
> There's a big difference between that and when Frank spews his lies,
> insults, profanity, weird sexual fantasies and bluster.

You can't post without referencing me can you? You're really weak and a
pathetic excuse for a human being.

The question is
> why you *never* call him on it.

Let us not forget your past sins or would you like a reminder of them huh?

Does having Vista installed give one a
> license to be like Frank?

Does not having Vista installed give one a license to be like alias?
Frank

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0npar$7o8$2@aioe.org...
>>
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>>>> news:2E5A8BF6-8DA4-4129-B7D7-A88CF082CEB9@microsoft.com...
>>>>
>>>>> ":: Alias ::" <iamalias@TAKEOUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ulQE10CuIHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Kerry Brown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes you did. You knew that Vista would require high end hardware
>>>>>>>> long before it was released.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't need to use *anything* to discredit Vista. It does a
>>>>>>>> very good job all by itself and doesn't need my help.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I build systems for $600.00 (not including a monitor, but with
>>>>>>> Vista Home Premium) that run Vista very well. That's hardly what
>>>>>>> I'd call high end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A price does not tell us anything except that you buy cheap
>>>>>> hardware to build computers. Six hundred US dollars wouldn't even
>>>>>> cover the cost of buying retail Ultimate in Spain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm actually very particular about the hardware I use. You are
>>>>> living in the past. You mentioned earlier in the thread that 2GB of
>>>>> RAM is high end. I don't know about Spain but here in Canada 2GB of
>>>>> name brand DDR2 RAM is $60.00. Here's a typical configuration that
>>>>> will run Vista very well and is easily under $500.00 for the
>>>>> hardware which is what I consider to be decent quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L motherboard $85.00
>>>>> Intel E2200 CPU $95.00
>>>>> 2x1GB Kingston DDR2 800 MHz $60.00
>>>>> Seagate 250GB SATA-II hard drive $65.00
>>>>> LG GSA H55 DVDRW $40.00
>>>>> Gigabyte X1BPD case with 400 watt PSU $85.00
>>>>> Microsoft Value Pack keyboard and mouse $30.00
>>>>>
>>>>> Total cost of hardware $460.00. This is retail prices, all
>>>>> recognised brand names. If you're not particular about where you
>>>>> shop you could probably get it even cheaper. It's hardly high end.
>>>>> It will run any edition of Vista 32 or 64 bit with no problems. The
>>>>> system will be stable, all drivers are easily available. OEM Vista
>>>>> Home Premium is $125.00, Ultimate $205.00. A decent 19" wide screen
>>>>> LCD would be another $200.00. The complete system with Vista
>>>>> Ultimate is $865.00. Maybe you should move to Canada. It sounds
>>>>> like your decision to live in Spain has impacted your computing
>>>>> experience. In any case cost is relative to where you live. The
>>>>> system specs would not be considered high end anywhere yet Vista
>>>>> runs with no problems on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Kerry Brown
>>>>> MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration
>>>>> http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kerry
>>>>
>>>> Prices for everything are higher in Europe than in North America,
>>>> and taxation plays its part.
>>>
>>>
>>> So does MS' iron fist.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't let Alias fool you into believing that Spain is a peasant
>>>> country, because it is anything but peasant.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have *never* said that. Frank has but I haven't. I live here and
>>> know. Spain is growing by leaps and bounds.
>>>
>>>> For sure some of the old ways of life still exist, but Spain is as
>>>> technologically advanced as most countries, and has been the only
>>>> European country growing over the last few years.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you think you saying something I don't know?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> They may not have the cheap computer fairs as in the UK, but one can
>>>> get computers, parts and software at reasonable prices just as one
>>>> can in other countries.
>>>
>>>
>>> Parts, yes. MS software, no.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>>
>> You once claimed that Vista was cheaper in some retail outlets, that
>> one didn't have to pay full recommended price everywhere..
>
>
> No, I didn't. I said that if you buy it wholesale, it's cheaper.
> Nonetheless, it's still cheaper in the US to buy a generic OEM than a
> generic OEM here. I have a license to buy wholesale, which means I can
> buy generic OEMs. Most people do not.
>
>>
>> So software isn't so bad, and cheap parts are readily available. And
>> you problem is?
>
>
> My problem isn't with Spain but Microsoft for their discriminating and
> unfair pricing tactics.

Let's try this again to see if you can comprehend the meaning of this
statement:...Microsoft does not control the retail price that retail
outlets charge for their software.
Got it?
Frank

 

[dennis@home]

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:g0pbd5$dpe$4@aioe.org...
> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>> newsHOXj.276267$pM4.195619@pd7urf1no...
>>
>>> Abet, we don't get so screwed as Spain. But if it is local retailers,
>>> why not let the users just download it, spit them a PDF with keys and
>>> have one (legal) price for the whole world and not this price fixing?
>>
>> Spain is a part of the EU, anyone, including Alias can buy from anywhere
>> in the EU and pay their prices and tax.
>> If anyone really wanted too they can order from ebuyer.co.uk and pay and
>> have it shipped to Spain.
>> The same as I can buy stuff in Germany and have it shipped to the UK.
>> The pricing that alias uses is just a smoke screen, nothing else.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> So, you're saying the pricing I quoted is a lie and that the stores put
> those prices on their web site are only kidding and sell it for less?
>
> Puhlease.

So you say you can't buy stuff when I have just given you a web site where
you can.
Are saying I am lying?

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123067 if you are build a machine only ~90
euros.
Maybe you qualify for this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/142780
then there are other places too.
Of course if you *need* Spanish maybe the ultimate edition is best.

>
> Alias

 

[dennis@home]

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:g0pagg$clr$1@aioe.org...


> It is a problem and I have never said it isn't. If asked, I will give my
> advice. No one has paid me for a service contract.

When has anyone here asked for your advice on installing Ubuntu to replace
vista?
If its free here why not for the people you have assisted in getting duff
software on their machines?
You don't appear to care what happens to the people you have "helped".

>
>>> Can you explain or are you like Frank and just insult people because you
>>> can?
>>
>> You do your own share of insulting people here including calling them
>> liars when they point out your "errors".
>
> There's a big difference between that and when Frank spews his lies,
> insults, profanity, weird sexual fantasies and bluster. The question is
> why you *never* call him on it. Does having Vista installed give one a
> license to be like Frank?

Does Frank have vista?

>
> Alias

 

[dennis@home]

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:g0pb31$dpe$2@aioe.org...
> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g0opc1$b9u$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> You've made two claims:
>>>
>>> 1. I don't know anything about computers
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> 2. I am pulling the wool over the eyes of some.
>>
>> As evidence I would add
>>
>> http://www.computerworld.com/action...ArticleBasic&articleId=9085980&intsrc=hm_list
>
> From the article:
>
> "Moore, ISC's Zdrnja and others have recommended that Debian and Ubuntu
> users patch their systems -- updates are available". The Update is an
> orange star that appears with a big balloon stating updates are available.
> Gosh, that's hard to figure out. Do think that Ubuntu users can get that
> done without help?

Do you think the patch solves the problem?
Do you want to admit that you don't understand the problem here?

>
> Alias

 

[dennis@home]

"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>> news:N8OXj.276233$pM4.242810@pd7urf1no...
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> The more I see your answers to other people, the less I think that you
>>>> know about computers..
>>>
>>> Listen, he is in Spain. EU. They have to pay for the Microsoft
>>> anti-trust conviction that the US didn't enforce. Predatory pricing and
>>> the like.
>>
>> So M$ are guilty of having inflated prices and predatory pricing at the
>> same time?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Nice adoption ground for Linux I bet. I wonder if I should take a
>>> Spanish course, always liked the people.
>>>
>>
>> Good for Linux maybe, not so good for Ubuntu anymore.
>>
>>
>
> Really? How so?

People can use a different linux distro and not have a two year security
hole.. opps no your right the hole buggers up more than Ubuntu if you move
keys about.

>
> Alias