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Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Maybe the people I know are smarter than the ones you know.
>>
>>
>> Now that's down right hysterical but what a wonderful insult.
>>
>> I have
>>
>>> installed Ubuntu on dozens of computers for people who used to be
>>> Windows users and all of them are very happy with it.
>>
>>
>> Proly a outright lie.
>
>
> No, the truth, something you obviously have problems accepting.
>
>>
>> You say you've
>>
>>> installed Ubuntu but have you installed the latest, Feisty Fawn? I
>>> can hardly wait to see the improvements with Gutsy next month.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, we're all holding out breath!
>
>
> You should be.
>
>>>
>>> I have yet to meet a client who used any program that requires
>>> Windows except for games and, for that reason -- and that reason only
>>> -- I install a dual boot with XP so they can keep on gaming. I have
>>> the same set-up myself (and Devil May Cry 3 rocks!).
>>
>>
>> Wow! Great for surfing the net, email and ...nothing else.
>
>
> A lie.
>
>> Get a real os.
>
>
> Ubuntu is a real OS.
>
>> Get Vista!
>> Frank
>
>
> Why would anyone want Window ME NT? It's a flop and no one in their
> right mind wants it.
>

Resorting to non-existent os's now huh?
Just another lie!
Give it up already.
Haven't you made a big enough fool out of yourself today?
There is always tomorrow.
Frank
 
Re: Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without real OEM marketing efforts

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>> Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without real OEM
>> marketing efforts:
>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1462
>>
>
> The article incorrectly assumes that the power of word of mouth is not a
> strong marketing power. So do you and all the other fanboys. I must admit,
> though, Linux will be successful in Europe before the BestBuy Americans
> catch on.
>
> --
> Alias
> To email me, remove shoes


Sure.
The people looking for free stuff, like starving artist and people trying to
"discover" themselves...they are going for Linux in a big way.
But the "BestBuy" americans...I assume you mean people with jobs and
money...they use Windows.
I'm pretty sure Microsoft, like most business', considers people with money
as their preferred customers.
Linux, with its slogan..."It's Free, Damnit!" ...is obviously after a
different clientele.
Or, they will hook you for free NOW, then will drop the hammer later with
fees.
 
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:47:24 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Users could stay with XP too, and by doing so will not face having to
> learn a completely new OS, or lose use of any Windows programs. A better
> solution, would you not agree.. :-)

Temporarily? Possibly.
Long term? Bad once MS drops XP support.

For those who don't want Vista and whatever may follow, they are better
off choosing and learning an alternative now while there is time instead
of waiting with XP until the last moment.

Just my opinion...

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:57:27 +0200, Alias wrote:

> Bistey Csaba wrote:
>>
>>
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Bistey Csaba wrote:
>>>> linux4rox@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Why waste your money and more importantly your time fussing with
>>>>> Vista?
>>>>> What are you getting from Vista that XP didn't give you except
>>>>> expensive headaches and incompatabilities?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Somewhat true. :)
>>>>
>>>>> Linux offers you freedom from commercial and propriatary software
>>>>> concerns.
>>>>
>>>>> You can download and install a single DVD and have a complete
>>>>> turnkey system up and running in an hour or less.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If you are not lucky you can start right after installation to
>>>> configure X via console :)
>>>>
>>>>> How can Vista even compare to Linux?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well Vista is a desktop OS, Linux is mostly good for server. It is
>>>> still not user-friendly enought to be used as a Desktop OS.
>>>
>>> I can see you haven't installed Ubuntu. It is more user friendly than
>>> Vista will ever be and on a par with XP for user friendliness.
>>>
>>>
>> Well wrong we have 2 Ubuntu and 1 Debian server at company, my VPS also
>> running Ubuntu. I can tell that Ubuntu one of the most easy to use
>> distros out there (well mostly used it from console over ssh but still
>> :)). But try to sell it someone who never saw anything beside Windows,
>> it would be a pain (they learnt Windows, they learnt MS Office). It
>> isn't even easy to tell the user to use OpenOffice.org as he learned
>> Microsoft Office (and he can use nearly 2% of the features it offers)
>> still menu different and that is a big problem (well after the first
>> month, it is usually not a problem).
>> Now think of a migrating windows user who got a console login after
>> installation (lol most of them cant even use dos :)) because X failed
>> to configure itself, or tried to switch screen resolution in real time,
>> or trying to use one of his application which never been ported to
>> linux (and do not have linux alternative).
>>
>> On the other side it is rocks as a server .
>>
>> Csaba
>
> Maybe the people I know are smarter than the ones you know. I have
> installed Ubuntu on dozens of computers for people who used to be
> Windows users and all of them are very happy with it. You say you've
> installed Ubuntu but have you installed the latest, Feisty Fawn? I can
> hardly wait to see the improvements with Gutsy next month.

You'll like it, I've been running Gutsy all month now. It's quite nice. =)

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"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bistey Csaba wrote:
>>
>>
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Bistey Csaba wrote:
>>>> linux4rox@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Why waste your money and more importantly your time fussing with
>>>>> Vista?
>>>>> What are you getting from Vista that XP didn't give you except
>>>>> expensive headaches and incompatabilities?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Somewhat true. :)
>>>>
>>>>> Linux offers you freedom from commercial and propriatary software
>>>>> concerns.
>>>>
>>>>> You can download and install a single DVD and have a complete turnkey
>>>>> system up and running in an hour or less.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are not lucky you can start right after installation to
>>>> configure X via console :)
>>>>
>>>>> How can Vista even compare to Linux?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well Vista is a desktop OS, Linux is mostly good for server. It is
>>>> still not user-friendly enought to be used as a Desktop OS.
>>>
>>> I can see you haven't installed Ubuntu. It is more user friendly than
>>> Vista will ever be and on a par with XP for user friendliness.
>>>
>>
>> Well wrong we have 2 Ubuntu and 1 Debian server at company, my VPS also
>> running Ubuntu. I can tell that Ubuntu one of the most easy to use
>> distros out there (well mostly used it from console over ssh but still
>> :)).
>> But try to sell it someone who never saw anything beside Windows, it
>> would be a pain (they learnt Windows, they learnt MS Office).
>> It isn't even easy to tell the user to use OpenOffice.org as he learned
>> Microsoft Office (and he can use nearly 2% of the features it offers)
>> still menu different and that is a big problem (well after the first
>> month, it is usually not a problem).
>> Now think of a migrating windows user who got a console login after
>> installation (lol most of them cant even use dos :)) because X failed to
>> configure itself, or tried to switch screen resolution in real time, or
>> trying to use one of his application which never been ported to linux
>> (and do not have linux alternative).
>>
>> On the other side it is rocks as a server .
>>
>> Csaba
>
> Maybe the people I know are smarter than the ones you know. I have
> installed Ubuntu on dozens of computers for people who used to be Windows
> users and all of them are very happy with it. You say you've installed
> Ubuntu but have you installed the latest, Feisty Fawn? I can hardly wait
> to see the improvements with Gutsy next month.
>
> I have yet to meet a client who used any program that requires Windows
> except for games and, for that reason -- and that reason only -- I install
> a dual boot with XP so they can keep on gaming. I have the same set-up
> myself (and Devil May Cry 3 rocks!).
>
> --
> Alias
> To email me, remove shoes


I refuse to use an OS with titles like...
Feisty Fawn
Gutsy Gibbon
Hysterectomized Hippo

the animal abuse has to stop!
 
Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:47:24 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> Users could stay with XP too, and by doing so will not face having to
>> learn a completely new OS, or lose use of any Windows programs. A better
>> solution, would you not agree.. :-)
>
> Temporarily? Possibly.
> Long term? Bad once MS drops XP support.
>
> For those who don't want Vista and whatever may follow, they are better
> off choosing and learning an alternative now while there is time instead
> of waiting with XP until the last moment.
>
> Just my opinion...
>

<You know what they say about opinions. Opinions are a dime a dozen and
everyone has got an opinion. :)>
 
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:02:15 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:
>
>
>> Maybe the people I know are smarter than the ones you know.
>
> Now that's down right hysterical but what a wonderful insult.
>
> I have
>> installed Ubuntu on dozens of computers for people who used to be
>> Windows users and all of them are very happy with it.
>
> Proly a outright lie.
>
> You say you've
>> installed Ubuntu but have you installed the latest, Feisty Fawn? I can
>> hardly wait to see the improvements with Gutsy next month.
>
> Yeah, we're all holding out breath!
>>
>> I have yet to meet a client who used any program that requires Windows
>> except for games and, for that reason -- and that reason only -- I
>> install a dual boot with XP so they can keep on gaming. I have the same
>> set-up myself (and Devil May Cry 3 rocks!).
>
> Wow! Great for surfing the net, email and ...nothing else. Get a real
> os.

Hmmm nothing else?

Odd, last thing I checked I was using it to develop software priced in
the 4-digit range...but I must somehow be imagining this. Oh and, it
makes a quite nice multimedia setup as well as my TV and surround sound
system would agree with me.

Oh and, Unlike frigging windows media player, IT CAN HANDLE MY JAPANESE
MUSIC!!! I just played around with my new Portable MP3 player today both
under Ubuntu and windows.

Now Ubuntu can talk to the device via MTP using Rhythmbox. I can sync my
mp3 files no problem. Everything pretty much works reasonably well and my
Japanese audio is absolutely no problem.

Windows media player (Version 11) however fails miserably because while
it can talk to the device and sync mp3 files as well, it can't correctly
read my Japanese CDs which I have a lot of. For most track listings,
it'll just give me [untranslated] as it apparently can't deal with kana/
kanji track names or artist names or anything non-english.

So basically, another thing where windows is useless for me.

> Get Vista!

No thanks, I have work to do.

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By the time XP support disappears, Vista will be fixed and better than XP..
Alternatives will still lose out..


"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:47:24 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> Users could stay with XP too, and by doing so will not face having to
>> learn a completely new OS, or lose use of any Windows programs. A better
>> solution, would you not agree.. :-)
>
> Temporarily? Possibly.
> Long term? Bad once MS drops XP support.
>
> For those who don't want Vista and whatever may follow, they are better
> off choosing and learning an alternative now while there is time instead
> of waiting with XP until the last moment.
>
> Just my opinion...
>
> --
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> 2003 Yamaha R6
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Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:47:24 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> Users could stay with XP too, and by doing so will not face having to
>> learn a completely new OS, or lose use of any Windows programs. A better
>> solution, would you not agree.. :-)
>
> Temporarily? Possibly.
> Long term? Bad once MS drops XP support.

Who knows, by then MS might come out with Vienna, what Vista, aka Win ME
NT, was supposed to be and drop all the DRM crap like the music industry
is doing.

>
> For those who don't want Vista and whatever may follow, they are better
> off choosing and learning an alternative now while there is time instead
> of waiting with XP until the last moment.
>
> Just my opinion...
>

One of the reasons I am using and continuing to learn about Linux. I may
even get me a Mac notebook and learn that too. No one knows which the
way the technical winds will blow ten years from now.

Well, The Shadow do but he ain't telling -)

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Seven wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fde6i7$uh9$1@aioe.org...
>> Bistey Csaba wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Bistey Csaba wrote:
>>>>> linux4rox@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Why waste your money and more importantly your time fussing with
>>>>>> Vista?
>>>>>> What are you getting from Vista that XP didn't give you except
>>>>>> expensive headaches and incompatabilities?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Somewhat true. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux offers you freedom from commercial and propriatary software
>>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can download and install a single DVD and have a complete turnkey
>>>>>> system up and running in an hour or less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are not lucky you can start right after installation to
>>>>> configure X via console :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> How can Vista even compare to Linux?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well Vista is a desktop OS, Linux is mostly good for server. It is
>>>>> still not user-friendly enought to be used as a Desktop OS.
>>>>
>>>> I can see you haven't installed Ubuntu. It is more user friendly
>>>> than Vista will ever be and on a par with XP for user friendliness.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well wrong we have 2 Ubuntu and 1 Debian server at company, my VPS
>>> also running Ubuntu. I can tell that Ubuntu one of the most easy to
>>> use distros out there (well mostly used it from console over ssh but
>>> still :)).
>>> But try to sell it someone who never saw anything beside Windows, it
>>> would be a pain (they learnt Windows, they learnt MS Office).
>>> It isn't even easy to tell the user to use OpenOffice.org as he
>>> learned Microsoft Office (and he can use nearly 2% of the features it
>>> offers) still menu different and that is a big problem (well after
>>> the first month, it is usually not a problem).
>>> Now think of a migrating windows user who got a console login after
>>> installation (lol most of them cant even use dos :)) because X failed
>>> to configure itself, or tried to switch screen resolution in real
>>> time, or trying to use one of his application which never been ported
>>> to linux (and do not have linux alternative).
>>>
>>> On the other side it is rocks as a server .
>>>
>>> Csaba
>>
>> Maybe the people I know are smarter than the ones you know. I have
>> installed Ubuntu on dozens of computers for people who used to be
>> Windows users and all of them are very happy with it. You say you've
>> installed Ubuntu but have you installed the latest, Feisty Fawn? I can
>> hardly wait to see the improvements with Gutsy next month.
>>
>> I have yet to meet a client who used any program that requires Windows
>> except for games and, for that reason -- and that reason only -- I
>> install a dual boot with XP so they can keep on gaming. I have the
>> same set-up myself (and Devil May Cry 3 rocks!).
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>> To email me, remove shoes
>
>
> I refuse to use an OS with titles like...
> Feisty Fawn
> Gutsy Gibbon
> Hysterectomized Hippo
>
> the animal abuse has to stop!

So, go demonstrate against the sale of Teddy Bears.

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Re: Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without realOEM marketing efforts

Seven wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fdeauv$b4s$1@aioe.org...
>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>> Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without real OEM
>>> marketing efforts:
>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1462
>>>
>>
>> The article incorrectly assumes that the power of word of mouth is not
>> a strong marketing power. So do you and all the other fanboys. I must
>> admit, though, Linux will be successful in Europe before the BestBuy
>> Americans catch on.
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>> To email me, remove shoes
>
>
> Sure.
> The people looking for free stuff, like starving artist and people
> trying to "discover" themselves...they are going for Linux in a big way.

Like Google? If you use Google, you're using Linux. Are you a starving
artist, trying to discover yourself?

> But the "BestBuy" americans...I assume you mean people with jobs and
> money...they use Windows.

No I mean the computer clueless type that tools up to the Mall and takes
back a computer like an HP, loaded with crap, no OS CD and spends all
day on Windows Live Messenger and downloading crap with eMule.

> I'm pretty sure Microsoft, like most business', considers people with
> money as their preferred customers.

And the sky is blue some days, right?

> Linux, with its slogan..."It's Free, Damnit!" ...is obviously after a
> different clientele.

People who want to control their own computers, you mean?

> Or, they will hook you for free NOW, then will drop the hammer later
> with fees.

Air is free now. You're hooked now. Without it, you would have a
terrible hangover. So far, "they" haven't charged anyone for the air
they breath.

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Re: Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without real OEM marketing efforts

"Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Seven wrote:
>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fdeauv$b4s$1@aioe.org...
>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>> Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without real OEM
>>>> marketing efforts:
>>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1462
>>>>
>>>
>>> The article incorrectly assumes that the power of word of mouth is not a
>>> strong marketing power. So do you and all the other fanboys. I must
>>> admit, though, Linux will be successful in Europe before the BestBuy
>>> Americans catch on.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alias
>>> To email me, remove shoes
>>
>>
>> Sure.
>> The people looking for free stuff, like starving artist and people trying
>> to "discover" themselves...they are going for Linux in a big way.
>
> Like Google? If you use Google, you're using Linux. Are you a starving
> artist, trying to discover yourself?

I use google not Linux.
Google uses Linux.
I eat at a restarant that uses Calphalon...But I dont use Calphalon.
Linux so desperate it has to say your using it indirectly.

>> But the "BestBuy" americans...I assume you mean people with jobs and
>> money...they use Windows.
>
> No I mean the computer clueless type that tools up to the Mall and takes
> back a computer like an HP, loaded with crap, no OS CD and spends all day
> on Windows Live Messenger and downloading crap with eMule.

Ahhh...the super superior Linux attitude.
That's why Linux is so low on the totem pole.
LinNurds are like Homeless Snobs.

>> I'm pretty sure Microsoft, like most business', considers people with
>> money as their preferred customers.
>
> And the sky is blue some days, right?
>
>> Linux, with its slogan..."It's Free, Damnit!" ...is obviously after a
>> different clientele.
>
> People who want to control their own computers, you mean?

I have Vista, and "control it" just fine.

>> Or, they will hook you for free NOW, then will drop the hammer later with
>> fees.
>
> Air is free now. You're hooked now. Without it, you would have a terrible
> hangover. So far, "they" haven't charged anyone for the air they breath.

Air is free now?
When was it for sale?
Need to work on your metaphors.

> --
> Alias
> To email me, remove shoes
 
Re: Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without realOEM marketing efforts

Seven wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fdf1k3$66l$1@aioe.org...
>> Seven wrote:
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fdeauv$b4s$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>> Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without real OEM
>>>>> marketing efforts:
>>>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1462
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The article incorrectly assumes that the power of word of mouth is
>>>> not a strong marketing power. So do you and all the other fanboys. I
>>>> must admit, though, Linux will be successful in Europe before the
>>>> BestBuy Americans catch on.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alias
>>>> To email me, remove shoes
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>> The people looking for free stuff, like starving artist and people
>>> trying to "discover" themselves...they are going for Linux in a big way.
>>
>> Like Google? If you use Google, you're using Linux. Are you a starving
>> artist, trying to discover yourself?
>
> I use google not Linux.
> Google uses Linux.

Ergo, so do you when you use their Linux based servers to search.

> I eat at a restarant that uses Calphalon...But I dont use Calphalon.
> Linux so desperate it has to say your using it indirectly.

Indirectly doesn't count?

>
>>> But the "BestBuy" americans...I assume you mean people with jobs and
>>> money...they use Windows.
>>
>> No I mean the computer clueless type that tools up to the Mall and
>> takes back a computer like an HP, loaded with crap, no OS CD and
>> spends all day on Windows Live Messenger and downloading crap with eMule.
>
> Ahhh...the super superior Linux attitude.
> That's why Linux is so low on the totem pole.
> LinNurds are like Homeless Snobs.

I meet these types every day. They don't even know what Linux is. It's
an observation, not an attitude. You're the one with a snobby attitude.

>
>>> I'm pretty sure Microsoft, like most business', considers people with
>>> money as their preferred customers.
>>
>> And the sky is blue some days, right?
>>
>>> Linux, with its slogan..."It's Free, Damnit!" ...is obviously after a
>>> different clientele.
>>
>> People who want to control their own computers, you mean?
>
> I have Vista, and "control it" just fine.

Sure you do. What about WPA, WGA, Tamper State. How many hardware
components can you change without asking permission from the owner of
the software, Microsoft?

>
>>> Or, they will hook you for free NOW, then will drop the hammer later
>>> with fees.
>>
>> Air is free now. You're hooked now. Without it, you would have a
>> terrible hangover. So far, "they" haven't charged anyone for the air
>> they breath.
>
> Air is free now?
> When was it for sale?
> Need to work on your metaphors.

No, you need to work on understanding metaphors.

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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:47:00 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> By the time XP support disappears, Vista will be fixed and better than
> XP.. Alternatives will still lose out..
>
>

One can always hope and have dreams right? =)


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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:28:05 +0200, Alias wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:47:24 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>
>>> Users could stay with XP too, and by doing so will not face having to
>>> learn a completely new OS, or lose use of any Windows programs. A
>>> better solution, would you not agree.. :-)
>>
>> Temporarily? Possibly.
>> Long term? Bad once MS drops XP support.
>
> Who knows, by then MS might come out with Vienna, what Vista, aka Win ME
> NT, was supposed to be and drop all the DRM crap like the music industry
> is doing.

Seeing how I just read an article in a German Magazine how Microsoft is
releasing technology to watermark music for further control that DRM
doesn't allow such as tracking who originally bought the music...I
somehow have a difficult time believing that.

I particularly love the part in the article where they state that the
watermark can't be heard but that the watermark will survive if the audio
is recorded by a microphone.

As far as I am concerned, if my home microphone can hear the watermark,
so can most likely I.

Link to the article, in German though.

http://tinyurl.com/2wofl3

>
>
>> For those who don't want Vista and whatever may follow, they are better
>> off choosing and learning an alternative now while there is time
>> instead of waiting with XP until the last moment.
>>
>> Just my opinion...
>>
>>
> One of the reasons I am using and continuing to learn about Linux. I may
> even get me a Mac notebook and learn that too. No one knows which the
> way the technical winds will blow ten years from now.

Personally I'd rather use Vista before I'd ever even go near a Mac. I
don't see Mac as an alternative. I see Mac as something even worse than
Windows.

Windows is software lock-in which is bad enough.

Mac on the other hand is both Software and Hardware lock-in. So really,
what am I gaining by going to a Mac? Now I'm dependent on a single vendor
not only for my software but also for my hardware and loose the ability
to build my own systems with the hardware that *I* want and *I* need
without excessive markup.

All I have to say to Mac is: No thanks.

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Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:28:05 +0200, Alias wrote:
>
>> Stephan Rose wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:47:24 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>
>>>> Users could stay with XP too, and by doing so will not face having to
>>>> learn a completely new OS, or lose use of any Windows programs. A
>>>> better solution, would you not agree.. :-)
>>> Temporarily? Possibly.
>>> Long term? Bad once MS drops XP support.
>> Who knows, by then MS might come out with Vienna, what Vista, aka Win ME
>> NT, was supposed to be and drop all the DRM crap like the music industry
>> is doing.
>
> Seeing how I just read an article in a German Magazine how Microsoft is
> releasing technology to watermark music for further control that DRM
> doesn't allow such as tracking who originally bought the music...I
> somehow have a difficult time believing that.
>
> I particularly love the part in the article where they state that the
> watermark can't be heard but that the watermark will survive if the audio
> is recorded by a microphone.
>
> As far as I am concerned, if my home microphone can hear the watermark,
> so can most likely I.
>
> Link to the article, in German though.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2wofl3
>
>>
>>> For those who don't want Vista and whatever may follow, they are better
>>> off choosing and learning an alternative now while there is time
>>> instead of waiting with XP until the last moment.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion...
>>>
>>>
>> One of the reasons I am using and continuing to learn about Linux. I may
>> even get me a Mac notebook and learn that too. No one knows which the
>> way the technical winds will blow ten years from now.
>
> Personally I'd rather use Vista before I'd ever even go near a Mac. I
> don't see Mac as an alternative. I see Mac as something even worse than
> Windows.
>
> Windows is software lock-in which is bad enough.
>
> Mac on the other hand is both Software and Hardware lock-in. So really,
> what am I gaining by going to a Mac? Now I'm dependent on a single vendor
> not only for my software but also for my hardware and loose the ability
> to build my own systems with the hardware that *I* want and *I* need
> without excessive markup.
>
> All I have to say to Mac is: No thanks.
>

I would only get a Mac out of curiosity, not necessity. My first
computer was the first Mac and I supposed nostalgia might be a factor as
well. For my production machine, it's Ubuntu all the way now.

--
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:26:48 -0400, Seven wrote:

> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fde6i7$uh9$1@aioe.org...
>> Bistey Csaba wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Bistey Csaba wrote:
>>>>> linux4rox@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> Why waste your money and more importantly your time fussing with
>>>>>> Vista?
>>>>>> What are you getting from Vista that XP didn't give you except
>>>>>> expensive headaches and incompatabilities?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Somewhat true. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux offers you freedom from commercial and propriatary software
>>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can download and install a single DVD and have a complete
>>>>>> turnkey system up and running in an hour or less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> If you are not lucky you can start right after installation to
>>>>> configure X via console :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> How can Vista even compare to Linux?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well Vista is a desktop OS, Linux is mostly good for server. It is
>>>>> still not user-friendly enought to be used as a Desktop OS.
>>>>
>>>> I can see you haven't installed Ubuntu. It is more user friendly than
>>>> Vista will ever be and on a par with XP for user friendliness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well wrong we have 2 Ubuntu and 1 Debian server at company, my VPS
>>> also running Ubuntu. I can tell that Ubuntu one of the most easy to
>>> use distros out there (well mostly used it from console over ssh but
>>> still :)).
>>> But try to sell it someone who never saw anything beside Windows, it
>>> would be a pain (they learnt Windows, they learnt MS Office). It isn't
>>> even easy to tell the user to use OpenOffice.org as he learned
>>> Microsoft Office (and he can use nearly 2% of the features it offers)
>>> still menu different and that is a big problem (well after the first
>>> month, it is usually not a problem).
>>> Now think of a migrating windows user who got a console login after
>>> installation (lol most of them cant even use dos :)) because X failed
>>> to configure itself, or tried to switch screen resolution in real
>>> time, or trying to use one of his application which never been ported
>>> to linux (and do not have linux alternative).
>>>
>>> On the other side it is rocks as a server .
>>>
>>> Csaba
>>
>> Maybe the people I know are smarter than the ones you know. I have
>> installed Ubuntu on dozens of computers for people who used to be
>> Windows users and all of them are very happy with it. You say you've
>> installed Ubuntu but have you installed the latest, Feisty Fawn? I can
>> hardly wait to see the improvements with Gutsy next month.
>>
>> I have yet to meet a client who used any program that requires Windows
>> except for games and, for that reason -- and that reason only -- I
>> install a dual boot with XP so they can keep on gaming. I have the same
>> set-up myself (and Devil May Cry 3 rocks!).
>>
>> --
>> Alias
>> To email me, remove shoes
>
>
> I refuse to use an OS with titles like... Feisty Fawn
> Gutsy Gibbon
> Hysterectomized Hippo
>
> the animal abuse has to stop!

Oh and "Vista" is soooo much better right?

I couldn't care less about the name of an OS when I choose if I want to
use it.

--
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2003 Yamaha R6

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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> By the time XP support disappears, Vista will be fixed and better than
> XP.. Alternatives will still lose out..
>

Is that what your Palantir from Microsoft tells you...? LOL

>
> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
> news:ebmdnSudzo-4ZWfbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:47:24 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>
>>> Users could stay with XP too, and by doing so will not face having to
>>> learn a completely new OS, or lose use of any Windows programs. A better
>>> solution, would you not agree.. :-)
>>
>> Temporarily? Possibly.
>> Long term? Bad once MS drops XP support.
>>
>> For those who don't want Vista and whatever may follow, they are better
>> off choosing and learning an alternative now while there is time instead
>> of waiting with XP until the last moment.
>>
>> Just my opinion...
>>


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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett
 
Re: Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without realOEM marketing efforts

Alias wrote:

> Seven wrote:
>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fdf1k3$66l$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>> Seven wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fdeauv$b4s$1@aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without real
>>>>>> OEM marketing efforts:
>>>>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1462
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The article incorrectly assumes that the power of word of mouth is
>>>>> not a strong marketing power. So do you and all the other fanboys.
>>>>> I must admit, though, Linux will be successful in Europe before the
>>>>> BestBuy Americans catch on.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Alias
>>>>> To email me, remove shoes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure.
>>>> The people looking for free stuff, like starving artist and people
>>>> trying to "discover" themselves...they are going for Linux in a big
>>>> way.
>>>
>>>
>>> Like Google? If you use Google, you're using Linux. Are you a
>>> starving artist, trying to discover yourself?
>>
>>
>> I use google not Linux.
>> Google uses Linux.
>
>
> Ergo, so do you when you use their Linux based servers to search.
>
>> I eat at a restarant that uses Calphalon...But I dont use Calphalon.
>> Linux so desperate it has to say your using it indirectly.
>
>
> Indirectly doesn't count?
>
>>
>>>> But the "BestBuy" americans...I assume you mean people with jobs and
>>>> money...they use Windows.
>>>
>>>
>>> No I mean the computer clueless type that tools up to the Mall and
>>> takes back a computer like an HP, loaded with crap, no OS CD and
>>> spends all day on Windows Live Messenger and downloading crap with
>>> eMule.
>>
>>
>> Ahhh...the super superior Linux attitude.
>> That's why Linux is so low on the totem pole.
>> LinNurds are like Homeless Snobs.
>
>
> I meet these types every day. They don't even know what Linux is. It's
> an observation, not an attitude. You're the one with a snobby attitude.
>
>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure Microsoft, like most business', considers people
>>>> with money as their preferred customers.
>>>
>>>
>>> And the sky is blue some days, right?
>>>
>>>> Linux, with its slogan..."It's Free, Damnit!" ...is obviously after
>>>> a different clientele.
>>>
>>>
>>> People who want to control their own computers, you mean?
>>
>>
>> I have Vista, and "control it" just fine.
>
>
> Sure you do. What about WPA, WGA, Tamper State. How many hardware
> components can you change without asking permission from the owner of
> the software, Microsoft?
>
>>
>>>> Or, they will hook you for free NOW, then will drop the hammer later
>>>> with fees.
>>>
>>>
>>> Air is free now. You're hooked now. Without it, you would have a
>>> terrible hangover. So far, "they" haven't charged anyone for the air
>>> they breath.
>>
>>
>> Air is free now?
>> When was it for sale?
>> Need to work on your metaphors.
>
>
> No, you need to work on understanding metaphors.
>
You need to work on telling and accepting the truth.
Start with the fact that you're a linux troll.
Then work on dealing with the fact that linux is not, nor will it ever
be, the main desktop os of choice.
Then consider that your presence here is unwanted and unneeded.
Frank
 
Re: Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without realOEM marketing efforts

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Seven wrote:
>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fdf1k3$66l$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>>> Seven wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fdeauv$b4s$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Revised WinXP policy dooms Linux desktop prospects without real
>>>>>>> OEM marketing efforts:
>>>>>>> http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=1462
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The article incorrectly assumes that the power of word of mouth is
>>>>>> not a strong marketing power. So do you and all the other fanboys.
>>>>>> I must admit, though, Linux will be successful in Europe before
>>>>>> the BestBuy Americans catch on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>> To email me, remove shoes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure.
>>>>> The people looking for free stuff, like starving artist and people
>>>>> trying to "discover" themselves...they are going for Linux in a big
>>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Like Google? If you use Google, you're using Linux. Are you a
>>>> starving artist, trying to discover yourself?
>>>
>>>
>>> I use google not Linux.
>>> Google uses Linux.
>>
>>
>> Ergo, so do you when you use their Linux based servers to search.
>>
>>> I eat at a restarant that uses Calphalon...But I dont use Calphalon.
>>> Linux so desperate it has to say your using it indirectly.
>>
>>
>> Indirectly doesn't count?
>>
>>>
>>>>> But the "BestBuy" americans...I assume you mean people with jobs
>>>>> and money...they use Windows.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No I mean the computer clueless type that tools up to the Mall and
>>>> takes back a computer like an HP, loaded with crap, no OS CD and
>>>> spends all day on Windows Live Messenger and downloading crap with
>>>> eMule.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ahhh...the super superior Linux attitude.
>>> That's why Linux is so low on the totem pole.
>>> LinNurds are like Homeless Snobs.
>>
>>
>> I meet these types every day. They don't even know what Linux is. It's
>> an observation, not an attitude. You're the one with a snobby attitude.
>>
>>>
>>>>> I'm pretty sure Microsoft, like most business', considers people
>>>>> with money as their preferred customers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And the sky is blue some days, right?
>>>>
>>>>> Linux, with its slogan..."It's Free, Damnit!" ...is obviously after
>>>>> a different clientele.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> People who want to control their own computers, you mean?
>>>
>>>
>>> I have Vista, and "control it" just fine.
>>
>>
>> Sure you do. What about WPA, WGA, Tamper State. How many hardware
>> components can you change without asking permission from the owner of
>> the software, Microsoft?
>>
>>>
>>>>> Or, they will hook you for free NOW, then will drop the hammer
>>>>> later with fees.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Air is free now. You're hooked now. Without it, you would have a
>>>> terrible hangover. So far, "they" haven't charged anyone for the air
>>>> they breath.
>>>
>>>
>>> Air is free now?
>>> When was it for sale?
>>> Need to work on your metaphors.
>>
>>
>> No, you need to work on understanding metaphors.
>>
> You need to work on telling and accepting the truth.

When will you stop not telling the truth, Frank? Just *saying* someone
lies is not enough. You have to *prove* it and lies, insults, clichés
and bluster doesn't qualify as proving it.

> Start with the fact that you're a linux troll.

Let's not. Stereotypes never did anything for me as I choose not to be
so narrow minded.

> Then work on dealing with the fact that linux is not, nor will it ever
> be, the main desktop os of choice.

Not for you, that's for sure until, of course, it's the "latest thing"
and then you'll jump on it in a New York second and tell everyone you've
been using it since it came out.

> Then consider that your presence here is unwanted and unneeded.
> Frank

I'm sure it's more welcomed than your lies, insults, clichés and bluster is.

--
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