Vista vs Linux

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iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com says...
> > Yes, I do, as I have been working with Unix and Windows for decades as
> > well as Linux and with PEOPLE.
> >
>
> I don't believe you.
>

That is typical of a person that has been shown to be wrong, dishonest,
a liar, and proven to not know what they are talking about.

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Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
news:1221249178_27888@news.usenet.com:

> Except that most people that run vista get it preinstalled with a set
> of applications that they can use, others buy MS Office or MS Works as
> an add-on, often pre-installed, printers and other hardware doesn't
> require any effort to get installed unless it's OLD.

Let's look at your above comparison.....with a pre-installed Vista, what
apps do people get pre-installed that they can use ?

IE, Mail, some cheesy games, WMP, and Movie Maker .... what else, of any
real value (non-trial versions) ?

When you install Ubuntu, what apps do you get by default ?

FF, a lame e-mail client usually replaced by T-Bird, RythymBox, some
cheesy games, and OO.

Fairly even.....any REALLY useful apps for Windows you have to buy.


If you install Ubuntu Studio, you get the aforementioned, plus:

(All very poorly cut & pasted, many smaller apps, but a few decent full
featured apps, like Audacity & Hydrogen.)

Sound editing and recording
* audacity - Swiss army audio editor
* timemachine - JACK audio recorder for spontaneous and conservatory
use
Audio playback
* audacious - Versatile lightweight audio player.
* audacious-plugins-extra - Plugin pack for Audacious.
Digital Audio Workstation software
* ardour - Digital audio workstation (graphical gtk interface)
* beast - music synthesis and composition framework
Synthesizers
* fluidsynth - Real-time MIDI software synthesizer
* bristol - vintage synthesizer emulator
* freebirth - Bass synthesizer/sample player/sequencer similar to
Rebirth
* qsynth - fluidsynth MIDI sound synthesiser front-end
* zynaddsubfx - Realtime software synthesizer for Linux
* csound - powerful and versatile sound synthesis software
* swami - SoundFont editor
Sampling
* sooperlooper - Looping Sampler LADSPA plugin
Sequencing
* aconnectgui - graphical ALSA sequencer connection manager
* rosegarden - music editor and MIDI/audio sequencer
* hydrogen - Simple drum machine/step sequencer
* seq24 - Real time MIDI sequencer
* jackbeat - audio sequencer
* muse - Qt-based midi/audio sequencer
* tk707 - drum sequencer for a sound card or MIDI device
* shaketracker - MIDI sequencer with tracker GUI
Effects and signal processing
* jack-rack - LADSPA effects "rack" for JACK
* tapiir - A tool for real time audio delay and feedback effects
* freqtweak - Realtime audio frequency spectral manipulation
* jamin - Audio mastering from a mixed down multitrack source with
JACK
* creox - real-time guitar effects
* jackeq - routes and manipulates audio from/to multiple sources
DJ tools
* terminatorx - A realtime audio synthesizer
* mixxx - A digital DJ interface (for beat-mixing)
MIDI Utilities
* timidity - Software sound renderer (MIDI sequencer, MOD player)
* vkeybd - Virtual Keyboard program
Musical typesetting
* denemo - A gtk+ frontend to GNU Lilypond
* lilypond-data - LilyPond music typesetter (data files)
* lilypond - A program for typesetting sheet music
Miscellaneous / uncategorized
* gtick - Metronome application
* puredata - realtime computer music and graphics system
* fluid-soundfont-gm - This is a GM SoundFont, for use with any
modern MIDI synthesiser: hardware (like the emu10k1 sound card), or
software (like FluidSynth).

Video Editing
# openmovieeditor - Video editor
# ffmpeg - Multimedia player, server and encoder
# ffmpeg2theora - Theora video encoder using ffmpeg
# kino - A non-linear editor for Digital Video data
# stopmotion - A program for creating stop motion animation.
# dvgrab - Grab digital video data via IEEE1394 links

Graphics-
# inkscape - A vector-based drawing program.
# blender - A very fast and versatile 3D suite for modeling, animation,
rendering, post-production, interactive creation and playback.
# gimp - A raster-based drawing program.

(Deleted a bunch of GIMP extras that artificially make this list lokk
longer than it already is.)

# f-spot - A personal photo management application.
# scribus - A open source desktop page layout program.
# fontforge - Font Editor for PS, TrueType and OpenType fonts.
# gnome-raw-thumbnailer - a thumbnailer for GNOME that will make
thumbnails for camera RAW files.
# xsane - GTK+-based X11 frontend for SANE. (Scanner Access Now Easy)
# wacom-tools - Software for you Wacom drawing pad.
# hugin - An easy to use cross-platform GUI for Panorama Tools.
# synfigstudio - A vector 2D based animation package (GUI)
# agave - Colorscheme generator.
# enblend - A tool for compositing images.
# yafray - A modern, xml-speaking raytracing-based rendering system
# nautilus-image-converter - nautilus extension to mass resize images

> Few people that
> buy vista could change the OS to Ubuntu or other versions of Linux
> with much success and then still be able to work or do the same things
> they did before. You are not helping them by pretending that it's
> easy.

I agree getting a printer could be a PITA, but generally speaking, a
default install of Ubuntu includes almost everything a default install of
Vista provides, that is except for an anti-virus program.

(Note: 'Almost' was used in the previous statement because of the
printer, and just because I can't remember *everything* that is installed
in Vista or Ubuntu for that matter.)

Wait, a backup program, but there are free ones for Ubuntu as well.

Go here to find an app to do (almost) anything in Linux (mostly FOS, some
commercial) and install using the 'Install Now' button for each package
(if you were using Ubuntu):

www.linuxappfinder.com
 
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 00:02:53 +0000 (UTC), DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:

>(I didn't know if it was related to that or not, but I was only aware of
>it by Franks postings.....again....and again.....and again....etc..)
>
>I do know that some refuse to buy anything else that OEM inks though.

Yes. But god aftermarket inks work just as well. Even Epson printers
will keep printing as long as you keep them flowing by periodic use.
 
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 03:58:28 +0000, DanS wrote:

> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
> news:1221249178_27888@news.usenet.com:
>
>> Except that most people that run vista get it preinstalled with a set
>> of applications that they can use, others buy MS Office or MS Works as
>> an add-on, often pre-installed, printers and other hardware doesn't
>> require any effort to get installed unless it's OLD.
>
> Let's look at your above comparison.....with a pre-installed Vista, what
> apps do people get pre-installed that they can use ?
>
> IE, Mail, some cheesy games, WMP, and Movie Maker .... what else, of any
> real value (non-trial versions) ?
>
> When you install Ubuntu, what apps do you get by default ?
>
> FF, a lame e-mail client usually replaced by T-Bird, RythymBox, some
> cheesy games, and OO.
>
> Fairly even.....any REALLY useful apps for Windows you have to buy.
>
>
> If you install Ubuntu Studio, you get the aforementioned, plus:
>
> (All very poorly cut & pasted, many smaller apps, but a few decent full
> featured apps, like Audacity & Hydrogen.)
>
> Sound editing and recording
> * audacity - Swiss army audio editor
> * timemachine - JACK audio recorder for spontaneous and conservatory
> use
> Audio playback
> * audacious - Versatile lightweight audio player.
> * audacious-plugins-extra - Plugin pack for Audacious.
> Digital Audio Workstation software
> * ardour - Digital audio workstation (graphical gtk interface)
> * beast - music synthesis and composition framework
> Synthesizers
> * fluidsynth - Real-time MIDI software synthesizer
> * bristol - vintage synthesizer emulator
> * freebirth - Bass synthesizer/sample player/sequencer similar to
> Rebirth
> * qsynth - fluidsynth MIDI sound synthesiser front-end
> * zynaddsubfx - Realtime software synthesizer for Linux
> * csound - powerful and versatile sound synthesis software
> * swami - SoundFont editor
> Sampling
> * sooperlooper - Looping Sampler LADSPA plugin
> Sequencing
> * aconnectgui - graphical ALSA sequencer connection manager
> * rosegarden - music editor and MIDI/audio sequencer
> * hydrogen - Simple drum machine/step sequencer
> * seq24 - Real time MIDI sequencer
> * jackbeat - audio sequencer
> * muse - Qt-based midi/audio sequencer
> * tk707 - drum sequencer for a sound card or MIDI device
> * shaketracker - MIDI sequencer with tracker GUI
> Effects and signal processing
> * jack-rack - LADSPA effects "rack" for JACK
> * tapiir - A tool for real time audio delay and feedback effects
> * freqtweak - Realtime audio frequency spectral manipulation
> * jamin - Audio mastering from a mixed down multitrack source with
> JACK
> * creox - real-time guitar effects
> * jackeq - routes and manipulates audio from/to multiple sources
> DJ tools
> * terminatorx - A realtime audio synthesizer
> * mixxx - A digital DJ interface (for beat-mixing)
> MIDI Utilities
> * timidity - Software sound renderer (MIDI sequencer, MOD player)
> * vkeybd - Virtual Keyboard program
> Musical typesetting
> * denemo - A gtk+ frontend to GNU Lilypond
> * lilypond-data - LilyPond music typesetter (data files)
> * lilypond - A program for typesetting sheet music
> Miscellaneous / uncategorized
> * gtick - Metronome application
> * puredata - realtime computer music and graphics system
> * fluid-soundfont-gm - This is a GM SoundFont, for use with any
> modern MIDI synthesiser: hardware (like the emu10k1 sound card), or
> software (like FluidSynth).
>
> Video Editing
> # openmovieeditor - Video editor
> # ffmpeg - Multimedia player, server and encoder
> # ffmpeg2theora - Theora video encoder using ffmpeg
> # kino - A non-linear editor for Digital Video data
> # stopmotion - A program for creating stop motion animation.
> # dvgrab - Grab digital video data via IEEE1394 links
>
> Graphics-
> # inkscape - A vector-based drawing program.
> # blender - A very fast and versatile 3D suite for modeling, animation,
> rendering, post-production, interactive creation and playback.
> # gimp - A raster-based drawing program.
>
> (Deleted a bunch of GIMP extras that artificially make this list lokk
> longer than it already is.)
>
> # f-spot - A personal photo management application.
> # scribus - A open source desktop page layout program.
> # fontforge - Font Editor for PS, TrueType and OpenType fonts.
> # gnome-raw-thumbnailer - a thumbnailer for GNOME that will make
> thumbnails for camera RAW files.
> # xsane - GTK+-based X11 frontend for SANE. (Scanner Access Now Easy)
> # wacom-tools - Software for you Wacom drawing pad.
> # hugin - An easy to use cross-platform GUI for Panorama Tools.
> # synfigstudio - A vector 2D based animation package (GUI)
> # agave - Colorscheme generator.
> # enblend - A tool for compositing images.
> # yafray - A modern, xml-speaking raytracing-based rendering system
> # nautilus-image-converter - nautilus extension to mass resize images
>
>> Few people that
>> buy vista could change the OS to Ubuntu or other versions of Linux
>> with much success and then still be able to work or do the same things
>> they did before. You are not helping them by pretending that it's
>> easy.
>
> I agree getting a printer could be a PITA, but generally speaking, a
> default install of Ubuntu includes almost everything a default install of
> Vista provides, that is except for an anti-virus program.
>
> (Note: 'Almost' was used in the previous statement because of the
> printer, and just because I can't remember *everything* that is installed
> in Vista or Ubuntu for that matter.)
>
> Wait, a backup program, but there are free ones for Ubuntu as well.
>
> Go here to find an app to do (almost) anything in Linux (mostly FOS, some
> commercial) and install using the 'Install Now' button for each package
> (if you were using Ubuntu):
>
> www.linuxappfinder.com

The above is a crock. In the repository that comes with Ubuntu are
hundreds of software titles with some heavy hitters like openoffice and
gimp among others. Basically you get for free what would cost over $1000
in windows.
 
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:34:19 -0700, Frank wrote:

> DanS wrote:
>
>> +Bob+ <uctraing@ultranet.com> wrote in
>> news:pnqlc418rakq8f0slvvn073fgl6tiltp9e@4ax.com:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:47:46 +0000 (UTC), DanS
>>><t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Your printing and scanning problems are no doubt due to not using
>>>>>factory inks in your printers.
>>>>
>>>>I'd think it's driver oriented problems he speaks of.
>>>>
>>>>In the past, I've always purchased printers in which the cartridges
>>>>where ink tanks, and nothing else, usually Epson. That way, you can
>>>>replace the ink cartridges with low-cost replacement
>>>>cartridges...meaning you can replace both color and black for $10-$11,
>>>>instead of $70 or more. (I've never re-filled any.)
>>>>
>>>>If the replacment's were that expensive, it'd almost be worth it to
>>>>just buy a whole new printer when the ink runs out.
>>>
>>>Sorry... my post's humor probably slipped by most people. Measkite
>>>hangs around in usenet printer groups where he attributes every
>>>printing problem to the poster not using factory replacement ink and
>>>cartridges. He's a major PITA troll.
>>
>>
>> (I didn't know if it was related to that or not, but I was only aware of
>> it by Franks postings.....again....and again.....and again....etc..)
>>
>> I do know that some refuse to buy anything else that OEM inks though.
>>
> He (meahser-shit-head) is a shill for canon printers and oem ink.
> He postulates that any after market ink or ink cartridge, will ruin the
> print head and deliver inferior results when compared to oem ink/cartridges.
> Yet, by his own admission, he has never ever used and after market
> ink(s) or cartridges.
> Go figure?

I never drove a Yugo but I know it is a piece of crap and I never smelled
you but I know you are garbage. So direct experience does not always
matter. That is what professional written reviews are for.
 
"Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
news:gabdc3$qb1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> measekite wrote:
>> I wonder if now this ng can have a discussion on the merits of Vista vs
>> Linux.
>
> In between Frank's drivel, perhaps.
>
>>
>> If so then I can see that printing and scanning are the items in Vista
>> favor. Everything else, except for some standardization of where
>> applications are stored (what folders) appears to be in favor of Linux.
>> There also appears to be less things in Linux that one finds very
>> annoying.
>
> I have an HP AllinONE and the printer took three clicks to install and the
> scanner was ready to scan with XSane once it found the scanner. Avoid
> Canon, Brother and Lexmark and you're good to go with Ubuntu.
>
> Alias


Oh, yeah... just upgraded to 7.10 the other day. Yesterday, it locked up
tighter than a clam. Only way to recover was to hard boot.

Today, started upgrade to 8.04. KVM'd over to this box and went back to
Ubuntu box a bit later and... nothing. Black screen, no response. Hard
booted again. Got to desktop with no indication that the upgrade had a
problem. Kicked of the Upgrade Manager and got dlg box saying, in effect,
"wanta do a partial upgrade?" Clicked Yeah button and it seems back on
track.

Guess we have differing options on what "Good to Go With Ubuntu" means.

Lang
 
On Sep 11, 5:24 pm, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:
> I wonder if now this ng can have a discussion on the merits of Vista vs
> Linux.
>
> If so then I can see that printing and scanning are the items in Vista
> favor.  Everything else, except for some standardization of where
> applications are stored (what folders) appears to be in favor of Linux.  
> There also appears to be less things in Linux that one finds very annoying.

Linux is much faster than the sluggish Vista, but manufacturers of
appliances and software make their products for Windows. You cannot
achieve much on Linux as you cannot use the programs and devices you
need.
 
measekite wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 03:58:28 +0000, DanS wrote:
>
>> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
>> news:1221249178_27888@news.usenet.com:
>>
>>> Except that most people that run vista get it preinstalled with a set
>>> of applications that they can use, others buy MS Office or MS Works as
>>> an add-on, often pre-installed, printers and other hardware doesn't
>>> require any effort to get installed unless it's OLD.
>> Let's look at your above comparison.....with a pre-installed Vista, what
>> apps do people get pre-installed that they can use ?
>>
>> IE, Mail, some cheesy games, WMP, and Movie Maker .... what else, of any
>> real value (non-trial versions) ?
>>
>> When you install Ubuntu, what apps do you get by default ?
>>
>> FF, a lame e-mail client usually replaced by T-Bird, RythymBox, some
>> cheesy games, and OO.
>>
>> Fairly even.....any REALLY useful apps for Windows you have to buy.
>>
>>
>> If you install Ubuntu Studio, you get the aforementioned, plus:
>>
>> (All very poorly cut & pasted, many smaller apps, but a few decent full
>> featured apps, like Audacity & Hydrogen.)
>>
>> Sound editing and recording
>> * audacity - Swiss army audio editor
>> * timemachine - JACK audio recorder for spontaneous and conservatory
>> use
>> Audio playback
>> * audacious - Versatile lightweight audio player.
>> * audacious-plugins-extra - Plugin pack for Audacious.
>> Digital Audio Workstation software
>> * ardour - Digital audio workstation (graphical gtk interface)
>> * beast - music synthesis and composition framework
>> Synthesizers
>> * fluidsynth - Real-time MIDI software synthesizer
>> * bristol - vintage synthesizer emulator
>> * freebirth - Bass synthesizer/sample player/sequencer similar to
>> Rebirth
>> * qsynth - fluidsynth MIDI sound synthesiser front-end
>> * zynaddsubfx - Realtime software synthesizer for Linux
>> * csound - powerful and versatile sound synthesis software
>> * swami - SoundFont editor
>> Sampling
>> * sooperlooper - Looping Sampler LADSPA plugin
>> Sequencing
>> * aconnectgui - graphical ALSA sequencer connection manager
>> * rosegarden - music editor and MIDI/audio sequencer
>> * hydrogen - Simple drum machine/step sequencer
>> * seq24 - Real time MIDI sequencer
>> * jackbeat - audio sequencer
>> * muse - Qt-based midi/audio sequencer
>> * tk707 - drum sequencer for a sound card or MIDI device
>> * shaketracker - MIDI sequencer with tracker GUI
>> Effects and signal processing
>> * jack-rack - LADSPA effects "rack" for JACK
>> * tapiir - A tool for real time audio delay and feedback effects
>> * freqtweak - Realtime audio frequency spectral manipulation
>> * jamin - Audio mastering from a mixed down multitrack source with
>> JACK
>> * creox - real-time guitar effects
>> * jackeq - routes and manipulates audio from/to multiple sources
>> DJ tools
>> * terminatorx - A realtime audio synthesizer
>> * mixxx - A digital DJ interface (for beat-mixing)
>> MIDI Utilities
>> * timidity - Software sound renderer (MIDI sequencer, MOD player)
>> * vkeybd - Virtual Keyboard program
>> Musical typesetting
>> * denemo - A gtk+ frontend to GNU Lilypond
>> * lilypond-data - LilyPond music typesetter (data files)
>> * lilypond - A program for typesetting sheet music
>> Miscellaneous / uncategorized
>> * gtick - Metronome application
>> * puredata - realtime computer music and graphics system
>> * fluid-soundfont-gm - This is a GM SoundFont, for use with any
>> modern MIDI synthesiser: hardware (like the emu10k1 sound card), or
>> software (like FluidSynth).
>>
>> Video Editing
>> # openmovieeditor - Video editor
>> # ffmpeg - Multimedia player, server and encoder
>> # ffmpeg2theora - Theora video encoder using ffmpeg
>> # kino - A non-linear editor for Digital Video data
>> # stopmotion - A program for creating stop motion animation.
>> # dvgrab - Grab digital video data via IEEE1394 links
>>
>> Graphics-
>> # inkscape - A vector-based drawing program.
>> # blender - A very fast and versatile 3D suite for modeling, animation,
>> rendering, post-production, interactive creation and playback.
>> # gimp - A raster-based drawing program.
>>
>> (Deleted a bunch of GIMP extras that artificially make this list lokk
>> longer than it already is.)
>>
>> # f-spot - A personal photo management application.
>> # scribus - A open source desktop page layout program.
>> # fontforge - Font Editor for PS, TrueType and OpenType fonts.
>> # gnome-raw-thumbnailer - a thumbnailer for GNOME that will make
>> thumbnails for camera RAW files.
>> # xsane - GTK+-based X11 frontend for SANE. (Scanner Access Now Easy)
>> # wacom-tools - Software for you Wacom drawing pad.
>> # hugin - An easy to use cross-platform GUI for Panorama Tools.
>> # synfigstudio - A vector 2D based animation package (GUI)
>> # agave - Colorscheme generator.
>> # enblend - A tool for compositing images.
>> # yafray - A modern, xml-speaking raytracing-based rendering system
>> # nautilus-image-converter - nautilus extension to mass resize images
>>
>>> Few people that
>>> buy vista could change the OS to Ubuntu or other versions of Linux
>>> with much success and then still be able to work or do the same things
>>> they did before. You are not helping them by pretending that it's
>>> easy.
>> I agree getting a printer could be a PITA, but generally speaking, a
>> default install of Ubuntu includes almost everything a default install of
>> Vista provides, that is except for an anti-virus program.
>>
>> (Note: 'Almost' was used in the previous statement because of the
>> printer, and just because I can't remember *everything* that is installed
>> in Vista or Ubuntu for that matter.)
>>
>> Wait, a backup program, but there are free ones for Ubuntu as well.
>>
>> Go here to find an app to do (almost) anything in Linux (mostly FOS, some
>> commercial) and install using the 'Install Now' button for each package
>> (if you were using Ubuntu):
>>
>> www.linuxappfinder.com
>
> The above is a crock. In the repository that comes with Ubuntu are
> hundreds of software titles with some heavy hitters like openoffice and
> gimp among others. Basically you get for free what would cost over $1000
> in windows.

In Spain, just MS Office Ultimate retail will set you back more than
$US1000.

Alias
 
Lang Murphy wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gabdc3$qb1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> measekite wrote:
>>> I wonder if now this ng can have a discussion on the merits of Vista
>>> vs Linux.
>>
>> In between Frank's drivel, perhaps.
>>
>>>
>>> If so then I can see that printing and scanning are the items in
>>> Vista favor. Everything else, except for some standardization of
>>> where applications are stored (what folders) appears to be in favor
>>> of Linux. There also appears to be less things in Linux that one
>>> finds very annoying.
>>
>> I have an HP AllinONE and the printer took three clicks to install and
>> the scanner was ready to scan with XSane once it found the scanner.
>> Avoid Canon, Brother and Lexmark and you're good to go with Ubuntu.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Oh, yeah... just upgraded to 7.10 the other day. Yesterday, it locked up
> tighter than a clam. Only way to recover was to hard boot.
>
> Today, started upgrade to 8.04. KVM'd over to this box and went back to
> Ubuntu box a bit later and... nothing. Black screen, no response. Hard
> booted again. Got to desktop with no indication that the upgrade had a
> problem. Kicked of the Upgrade Manager and got dlg box saying, in
> effect, "wanta do a partial upgrade?" Clicked Yeah button and it seems
> back on track.
>
> Guess we have differing options on what "Good to Go With Ubuntu" means.
>
> Lang

I don't do upgrades like that. I back up and clean install a new distro.
It's worth the time, an hour to install Ubuntu and another to tweak it
your liking.

Alias
 
measekite wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:34:19 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
>> DanS wrote:
>>
>>> +Bob+ <uctraing@ultranet.com> wrote in
>>> news:pnqlc418rakq8f0slvvn073fgl6tiltp9e@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:47:46 +0000 (UTC), DanS
>>>> <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Your printing and scanning problems are no doubt due to not using
>>>>>> factory inks in your printers.
>>>>> I'd think it's driver oriented problems he speaks of.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the past, I've always purchased printers in which the cartridges
>>>>> where ink tanks, and nothing else, usually Epson. That way, you can
>>>>> replace the ink cartridges with low-cost replacement
>>>>> cartridges...meaning you can replace both color and black for $10-$11,
>>>>> instead of $70 or more. (I've never re-filled any.)
>>>>>
>>>>> If the replacment's were that expensive, it'd almost be worth it to
>>>>> just buy a whole new printer when the ink runs out.
>>>> Sorry... my post's humor probably slipped by most people. Measkite
>>>> hangs around in usenet printer groups where he attributes every
>>>> printing problem to the poster not using factory replacement ink and
>>>> cartridges. He's a major PITA troll.
>>>
>>> (I didn't know if it was related to that or not, but I was only aware of
>>> it by Franks postings.....again....and again.....and again....etc..)
>>>
>>> I do know that some refuse to buy anything else that OEM inks though.
>>>
>> He (meahser-shit-head) is a shill for canon printers and oem ink.
>> He postulates that any after market ink or ink cartridge, will ruin the
>> print head and deliver inferior results when compared to oem ink/cartridges.
>> Yet, by his own admission, he has never ever used and after market
>> ink(s) or cartridges.
>> Go figure?
>
> I never drove a Yugo but I know it is a piece of crap and I never smelled
> you but I know you are garbage. So direct experience does not always
> matter. That is what professional written reviews are for.

Well I have used generic ink cartridges and found that some work, most
don't.

Alias
 
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:19:27 -0700, Pekka Numminen wrote:

> On Sep 11, 5:24 pm, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:
>> I wonder if now this ng can have a discussion on the merits of Vista vs
>> Linux.
>>
>> If so then I can see that printing and scanning are the items in Vista
>> favor.  Everything else, except for some standardization of where
>> applications are stored (what folders) appears to be in favor of Linux.  
>> There also appears to be less things in Linux that one finds very annoying.
>
> Linux is much faster than the sluggish Vista, but manufacturers of
> appliances and software make their products for Windows. You cannot
> achieve much on Linux as you cannot use the programs and devices you
> need.

Please list the programs you need and about what the cost is that run
under Vista?
 
"measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
news:1vQyk.257$YU2.136@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:19:27 -0700, Pekka Numminen wrote:
>
>> On Sep 11, 5:24 pm, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:
>>> I wonder if now this ng can have a discussion on the merits of Vista vs
>>> Linux.
>>>
>>> If so then I can see that printing and scanning are the items in Vista
>>> favor. Everything else, except for some standardization of where
>>> applications are stored (what folders) appears to be in favor of Linux.
>>> There also appears to be less things in Linux that one finds very
>>> annoying.
>>
>> Linux is much faster than the sluggish Vista, but manufacturers of
>> appliances and software make their products for Windows. You cannot
>> achieve much on Linux as you cannot use the programs and devices you
>> need.
>
> Please list the programs you need and about what the cost is that run
> under Vista?
>


Shut your frikkin yap !
Nobody gives a flying fork that you can't afford Vista , can't configure it,
and generally just like to whine like a 4 year old little crippled girl.

Linux isn't any better nor more or less stable.

It's different ... if you like it, you and the other seven geeks that like
it can go sit in a corner and pound Penguin !

Friggen weirdo !

--
TrollsBane
 
DanS wrote:
> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
> news:1221249178_27888@news.usenet.com:
>
>> Except that most people that run vista get it preinstalled with a set
>> of applications that they can use, others buy MS Office or MS Works as
>> an add-on, often pre-installed, printers and other hardware doesn't
>> require any effort to get installed unless it's OLD.
>
> Let's look at your above comparison.....with a pre-installed Vista, what
> apps do people get pre-installed that they can use ?
>
> IE, Mail, some cheesy games, WMP, and Movie Maker .... what else, of any
> real value (non-trial versions) ?
>
> When you install Ubuntu, what apps do you get by default ?


All I see here is a lot junk no one that was normal would use.
 
Paul Montgumdrop wrote:
> DanS wrote:
>> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
>> news:1221249178_27888@news.usenet.com:
>>> Except that most people that run vista get it preinstalled with a set
>>> of applications that they can use, others buy MS Office or MS Works as
>>> an add-on, often pre-installed, printers and other hardware doesn't
>>> require any effort to get installed unless it's OLD.
>>
>> Let's look at your above comparison.....with a pre-installed Vista,
>> what apps do people get pre-installed that they can use ?
>>
>> IE, Mail, some cheesy games, WMP, and Movie Maker .... what else, of
>> any real value (non-trial versions) ?
>> When you install Ubuntu, what apps do you get by default ?
>
>
> All I see here is a lot junk no one that was normal would use.

You use open source Thunderbird. You can also use it in Ubuntu.

I guess you're not normal but, then again, who is?

Alias
 
Alias wrote:
> Paul Montgumdrop wrote:
>> DanS wrote:
>>> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
>>> news:1221249178_27888@news.usenet.com:
>>>> Except that most people that run vista get it preinstalled with a set
>>>> of applications that they can use, others buy MS Office or MS Works as
>>>> an add-on, often pre-installed, printers and other hardware doesn't
>>>> require any effort to get installed unless it's OLD.
>>>
>>> Let's look at your above comparison.....with a pre-installed Vista,
>>> what apps do people get pre-installed that they can use ?
>>>
>>> IE, Mail, some cheesy games, WMP, and Movie Maker .... what else, of
>>> any real value (non-trial versions) ?
>>> When you install Ubuntu, what apps do you get by default ?
>>
>>
>> All I see here is a lot junk no one that was normal would use.
>
> You use open source Thunderbird. You can also use it in Ubuntu.

So? It's just one and not of the many. It's my alternate reader when I
need to look at *all clowns* that may be slithering around, like you.

The trash can't filter very well, like WM that has you totally knocked
out, all forms of you, like **Alias** or Alias or Whatever Alias. I use
TB to eye ball all trash blowing around.
 
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:22:47 -0400, TrollsBane wrote:

> "measekite" <inkystinky@oem.com> wrote in message
> news:1vQyk.257$YU2.136@nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:19:27 -0700, Pekka Numminen wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 11, 5:24 pm, measekite <inkysti...@oem.com> wrote:
>>>> I wonder if now this ng can have a discussion on the merits of Vista vs
>>>> Linux.
>>>>
>>>> If so then I can see that printing and scanning are the items in Vista
>>>> favor. Everything else, except for some standardization of where
>>>> applications are stored (what folders) appears to be in favor of Linux.
>>>> There also appears to be less things in Linux that one finds very
>>>> annoying.
>>>
>>> Linux is much faster than the sluggish Vista, but manufacturers of
>>> appliances and software make their products for Windows. You cannot
>>> achieve much on Linux as you cannot use the programs and devices you
>>> need.
>>
>> Please list the programs you need and about what the cost is that run
>> under Vista?
>>
>
>
> Shut your frikkin yap !
> Nobody gives a flying fork that you can't afford Vista , can't configure it,
> and generally just like to whine like a 4 year old little crippled girl.
>
> Linux isn't any better nor more or less stable.
>
> It's different ... if you like it, you and the other seven geeks that like
> it can go sit in a corner and pound Penguin !
>
> Friggen weirdo !
>

Are you Frankie Crankie's understudy. Do you study under Frank?
 
Paul Montgumdrop wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Paul Montgumdrop wrote:
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
>>>> news:1221249178_27888@news.usenet.com:
>>>>> Except that most people that run vista get it preinstalled with a set
>>>>> of applications that they can use, others buy MS Office or MS Works as
>>>>> an add-on, often pre-installed, printers and other hardware doesn't
>>>>> require any effort to get installed unless it's OLD.
>>>>
>>>> Let's look at your above comparison.....with a pre-installed Vista,
>>>> what apps do people get pre-installed that they can use ?
>>>>
>>>> IE, Mail, some cheesy games, WMP, and Movie Maker .... what else, of
>>>> any real value (non-trial versions) ?
>>>> When you install Ubuntu, what apps do you get by default ?
>>>
>>>
>>> All I see here is a lot junk no one that was normal would use.
>>
>> You use open source Thunderbird. You can also use it in Ubuntu.
>
> So? It's just one and not of the many. It's my alternate reader when I
> need to look at *all clowns* that may be slithering around, like you.
>
> The trash can't filter very well, like WM that has you totally knocked
> out, all forms of you, like **Alias** or Alias or Whatever Alias. I use
> TB to eye ball all trash blowing around.

Translation: Paul's too stupid to use Ubuntu and too ill informed to
know what it can do.

Alias
 
Alias wrote:
> Paul Montgumdrop wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Paul Montgumdrop wrote:
>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
>>>>> news:1221249178_27888@news.usenet.com:
>>>>>> Except that most people that run vista get it preinstalled with a set
>>>>>> of applications that they can use, others buy MS Office or MS
>>>>>> Works as
>>>>>> an add-on, often pre-installed, printers and other hardware doesn't
>>>>>> require any effort to get installed unless it's OLD.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's look at your above comparison.....with a pre-installed Vista,
>>>>> what apps do people get pre-installed that they can use ?
>>>>>
>>>>> IE, Mail, some cheesy games, WMP, and Movie Maker .... what else,
>>>>> of any real value (non-trial versions) ?
>>>>> When you install Ubuntu, what apps do you get by default ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All I see here is a lot junk no one that was normal would use.
>>>
>>> You use open source Thunderbird. You can also use it in Ubuntu.
>>
>> So? It's just one and not of the many. It's my alternate reader when I
>> need to look at *all clowns* that may be slithering around, like you.
>>
>> The trash can't filter very well, like WM that has you totally knocked
>> out, all forms of you, like **Alias** or Alias or Whatever Alias. I
>> use TB to eye ball all trash blowing around.
>
> Translation: Paul's too stupid to use Ubuntu and too ill informed to
> know what it can do.
>
> Alias

Translation: You are a moron, and you'll bite and chase anything.

Do you think this is about MS vs Linux or Linux vs MS why the
Montgumdrop is here, at this particular time? I am after DanS^hit you
stupid fukk. And your dumb-a-hole pinches a loaf.
 
Paul Montgumdrop wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> Paul Montgumdrop wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Paul Montgumdrop wrote:
>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>> Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
>>>>>> news:1221249178_27888@news.usenet.com:
>>>>>>> Except that most people that run vista get it preinstalled with a
>>>>>>> set
>>>>>>> of applications that they can use, others buy MS Office or MS
>>>>>>> Works as
>>>>>>> an add-on, often pre-installed, printers and other hardware doesn't
>>>>>>> require any effort to get installed unless it's OLD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's look at your above comparison.....with a pre-installed
>>>>>> Vista, what apps do people get pre-installed that they can use ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IE, Mail, some cheesy games, WMP, and Movie Maker .... what else,
>>>>>> of any real value (non-trial versions) ?
>>>>>> When you install Ubuntu, what apps do you get by default ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All I see here is a lot junk no one that was normal would use.
>>>>
>>>> You use open source Thunderbird. You can also use it in Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> So? It's just one and not of the many. It's my alternate reader when
>>> I need to look at *all clowns* that may be slithering around, like you.
>>>
>>> The trash can't filter very well, like WM that has you totally
>>> knocked out, all forms of you, like **Alias** or Alias or Whatever
>>> Alias. I use TB to eye ball all trash blowing around.
>>
>> Translation: Paul's too stupid to use Ubuntu and too ill informed to
>> know what it can do.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Translation: You are a moron, and you'll bite and chase anything.
>
> Do you think this is about MS vs Linux or Linux vs MS why the
> Montgumdrop is here, at this particular time? I am after DanS^hit you
> stupid fukk. And your dumb-a-hole pinches a loaf.

Can't debate the pros and cons of Ubuntu so you resort to lies and
insults. Ho hum. Are you trying to be a Frank?

Alias
 
On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 13:49:19 -0400, Paul Montgumdrop
<Montgumdrop@Montgumdrop.com> wrote:

>Alias wrote:
>> Paul Montgumdrop wrote:

>> Translation: Paul's too stupid to use Ubuntu and too ill informed to
>> know what it can do.
>>
>> Alias
>
>Translation: You are a moron, and you'll bite and chase anything.

You must be thinking of Frank, Yanaire and Spanky, better known as
this newsgroup's Three Stooges. You could put a pork chop on a stick,
dangle it in front of their noses as you walk in front of them and
they would go round and round on some exercise track for hours trying
to catch it. That is how dumb they are.
 
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