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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:31:08 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:59:30 -0400, smbdymf wrote:
>>
>>> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
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>>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:31:27 +0800, Sonny wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is this any good? Anyone tried it?
>>>>
>>>> First off - this is an MS group. I'd like to know why you posted
>>>> here?
>>>>
>>> Be cause he's a low life that wishes he could afford Vista. Instead he
>>> ahs to use free, poorly supported linsux
>>
>> 1) looked in dictionary - could not find "ahs" - please define.
>>
>> 2) not familiar with "linsux" could you please provide a link - then I
>> can ascertain for myself if it's "poorly supported".
>
> Just go to the Ubuntu site. It sucks

Agreed. However it seems to suck much less than MS.
 
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:25:14 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:


> A decent graphics card is required to get anything but an incredibly
> dull desktop look..
>
*cough* Aero *cough*


And on that note, my ubuntu desktop looks 100% identical on my Quad Core
3.0Ghz machine with a 8800 GTX than it does on my co-workers Celeron
1.2GHz with a 16mb video memory (shared with system RAM) integrated video
card.

I mean sure, she isn't going to be running Compiz (neither do I for that
matter though, I just stick to standard Gnome)...but I have trouble
imagining her running Aero...or for that matter...Vista in any shape or
form.

I mean, a decent video card is a decent idea *period* no matter which OS.
But man, I've gotten Ubuntu with the standard Gnome desktop running on a
machine as low as some little dell laptop with only 256 megs of system
ram shared with 8 megs of video memory.

So where exactly are you getting that graphics card statement from?

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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:20:19 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Alias wrote:
>
>> Sonny wrote:
>>
>>> Is this any good? Anyone tried it?
>>>
>>>
>> To get an idea of the difference between Ubuntu and Vista, watch this
>> but note that this an older version of Ubuntu and it's gotten better
>> since then:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ
>>
>> Alias
>
> Like the idiot you are, you're telling people to make a decision on
> which os is better based on eye-candy...LOL! Get real!

Is it just me or did you essentially just admit that Linux has the better
eyecandy?

And on that note, what is wrong with that?

MS Seems perfectly happy using Aero as a marketing gimmick to get people
to switch to Vista...so according to that rule, they shouldn't be doing
doing that as it's only eyecandy right?

I mean, gotta be consistent...

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Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:20:19 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
>
>>Alias wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Sonny wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Is this any good? Anyone tried it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>To get an idea of the difference between Ubuntu and Vista, watch this
>>>but note that this an older version of Ubuntu and it's gotten better
>>>since then:
>>>
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ
>>>
>>>Alias
>>
>>Like the idiot you are, you're telling people to make a decision on
>>which os is better based on eye-candy...LOL! Get real!
>
>
> Is it just me or did you essentially just admit that Linux has the better
> eyecandy?

Oh, you mean that cubie thing that you like to trill around?
Yeah, that can be addictive! In fact I showed it to one of my associates
and he loaded it at home to baby sit his pre-teen kids...LOL!

>
> And on that note, what is wrong with that?
>
> MS Seems perfectly happy using Aero as a marketing gimmick to get people
> to switch to Vista...

Get real stephen...aero is great for an open window sorter...but to sit
there flipping windows is well...dumb...be it on Vista or linux.

so according to that rule,...

rule...what rule? We don't need no stinking rules...LOL!

they shouldn't be doing
> doing that as it's only eyecandy right?

Are you making this up as you go along?
>
> I mean, gotta be consistent...

Yeah, maybe you should give it a try.
Frank
>
 
Sonny wrote:
> Is this any good? Anyone tried it?
>
>

I normally would think that this is not an appropriate place for
discussing and advocating Linux but even MVPs don't have self-control,
so let's do it together.

It's getting closer to Windows prior to Vista and it takes much less
time for me to access to XP's shared folders, set up HP printer and to
install Nvidia driver than that with Vista.

I think MS is taking the right approach for rethinking the Windows'
design instead of listening to their techie staffs and fanbois.
 
"Bill Yanaire" wrote:

>
> "Sonny" <sonny@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OZVeC7fpIHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > Is this any good? Anyone tried it?
> >
>
> Ubuntu is good if you just want to Surf the net, write a few E-Mail's and
> script a letter to your Mama
>
>
>
Only those immersed in excellence will know what excellence is.
 
"Sonny" <sonny@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Is this any good? Anyone tried it?
>

I'm sorry if my post was in the wrong forum. But I thought it was because I
wanted to know what Vista users think of Ubuntu.

I'm amazed to read all the threads and the reactions. The cheers and the
boos.

Basically, I just got to know about Ubuntu. I can afford vista and I have
vista. Just a little pissed off with the problems Vista (and it
predecessors) gave me.

After years of dealing with Windows, I thought someone could come, lift me
off my feet, get rid of the BSOD, forget about updating antivirus,etc.

Guess the day will never come. If it did, what will Bill Gates live on?
 
"Sonny" <sonny@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> Basically, I just got to know about Ubuntu. I can afford vista and I have
> vista. Just a little pissed off with the problems Vista (and it
> predecessors) gave me.

Ubuntu isn't Windows, is it. So it has nothing to do with Vista either,
really. Unix is good for some things, but far from all. But I refrain
from installing Vista after reading all the bad stuff about it.
XP works fine for me as a private person. I've been using both Linux and
FreeBSD for many years.

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"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
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> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
>> news:uvZwGZgpIHA.5096@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> "Sonny" <sonny@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OZVeC7fpIHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Is this any good? Anyone tried it?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't have the funds for a Windows OS, Ubuntu will get your
>>> computer up and running.
>>>
>>> There is a learning curve. If you are used to using Windows, quite a
>>> sharp one..
>>
>> How so? No regedit to learn for sure.
>>
>> Menus are much cleaner and better organized, that can't be it.
>>
>> OpenOffice installs right off with the OS and no license keys putzing,
>> that can't be it.
>>
>> Can't be versions, Ubuntu is one full destop version, lost count of Vista
>> version with missing features.
>>
>> Additional software can be had with Ubuntu and it does not ask for the
>> credit card like Vista, so that can't be it.
>>
>> Buttons are in the same place as XP, but Vista moved them around, so that
>> can't be it.
>>
>> Hm...I can't see why Ubuntu is harder to use. Learning curve for a XP
>> user shouldn't be that much at all.
>>
>>> The claim of '23000' programs available is true, BUT the average user
>>> would only find maybe 5 of any use.
>>>
>>> Some Windows programs will run under 'Wine'..
>>>
>>> A decent graphics card is required to get anything but an incredibly
>>> dull desktop look..
>>>
>>> Drivers for some hardware are non-existent..
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Hall - MVP
>>> How to construct a good post..
>>> http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
>>> How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
>>> Mike's Window - My Blog..
>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Keep guessing. I will tell you when you are 'warm'.. :-)

You'll be waiting forever bud...lol

Don't think he could find his ass with both hands and a map...)

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"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:31:27 +0800, Sonny wrote:
>
>> Is this any good? Anyone tried it?
>
> First off - this is an MS group. I'd like to know why you posted here?

Indeed. So AGAIN, why are YOU here?

> Yes. It's quite good, though I'd wait a couple of weeks before installing
> the latest version which came out today. Use it on four home computers and
> five seats I admin at the local library - for public access internet use.
> Works very well - troublefree. You can run it as a Live CD - insert the
> CD, reboot and it will boot and run from the CD without any permanent
> install so you can 'try before you buy'.

It's ok if you need a server solution. Not if you need a desktop solution.

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"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:25:14 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>
>> A decent graphics card is required to get anything but an incredibly
>> dull desktop look..
>>
> *cough* Aero *cough*
>
>
> And on that note, my ubuntu desktop looks 100% identical on my Quad Core
> 3.0Ghz machine with a 8800 GTX than it does on my co-workers Celeron
> 1.2GHz with a 16mb video memory (shared with system RAM) integrated video
> card.
>
> I mean sure, she isn't going to be running Compiz (neither do I for that
> matter though, I just stick to standard Gnome)...but I have trouble
> imagining her running Aero...or for that matter...Vista in any shape or
> form.
>
> I mean, a decent video card is a decent idea *period* no matter which OS.
> But man, I've gotten Ubuntu with the standard Gnome desktop running on a
> machine as low as some little dell laptop with only 256 megs of system
> ram shared with 8 megs of video memory.
>
> So where exactly are you getting that graphics card statement from?
>
> --
> Stephan
> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT
>
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Stephan

For both Aero and Compiz Fusion, a half decent video card is required. The
basic Windows and Ubuntu desktop appearances are dull.

Unlike some here, I do not denigrate Linux distros, only the people who make
wild claims for them.

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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

>
> Unlike some here, I do not denigrate Linux distros, only the people who
> make wild claims for them.

*That's* funny!

Alias
 
"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>>
>> Unlike some here, I do not denigrate Linux distros, only the people who
>> make wild claims for them.
>
> *That's* funny!
>
> Alias


Not really. Where is the joke? You make greater claims for Ubuntu than ever
Mark Shuttleworth does. You don't judge from a technical standpoint, so much
as your dislike for Microsoft..

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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fusim6$gce$2@aioe.org...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Unlike some here, I do not denigrate Linux distros, only the people
>>> who make wild claims for them.
>>
>> *That's* funny!
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Not really. Where is the joke? You make greater claims for Ubuntu than
> ever Mark Shuttleworth does. You don't judge from a technical
> standpoint, so much as your dislike for Microsoft..
>

I guess you conveniently don't remember how you've dissed ABI Word, OO
and Ubuntu. Memory loss problem?

What's to like about Microsoft? They *obviously* hold their paying
customers in disdain.

Alias
 
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:18:22 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
> news:UrCdnUaFMbwn1ozVnZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:25:14 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>
>>
>>> A decent graphics card is required to get anything but an incredibly
>>> dull desktop look..
>>>
>> *cough* Aero *cough*
>>
>>
>> And on that note, my ubuntu desktop looks 100% identical on my Quad
>> Core 3.0Ghz machine with a 8800 GTX than it does on my co-workers
>> Celeron 1.2GHz with a 16mb video memory (shared with system RAM)
>> integrated video card.
>>
>> I mean sure, she isn't going to be running Compiz (neither do I for
>> that matter though, I just stick to standard Gnome)...but I have
>> trouble imagining her running Aero...or for that matter...Vista in any
>> shape or form.
>>
>> I mean, a decent video card is a decent idea *period* no matter which
>> OS. But man, I've gotten Ubuntu with the standard Gnome desktop running
>> on a machine as low as some little dell laptop with only 256 megs of
>> system ram shared with 8 megs of video memory.
>>
>> So where exactly are you getting that graphics card statement from?
>>
>> --
>> Stephan
>> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT
>>
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>
>
> Stephan
>
> For both Aero and Compiz Fusion, a half decent video card is required.
> The basic Windows and Ubuntu desktop appearances are dull.
>
> Unlike some here, I do not denigrate Linux distros, only the people who
> make wild claims for them.

Man, the latest Gnome Desktop in Ubuntu 8.04 is anything but dull, they
did a really good job as far as I am concerned. The look of the UI has
been updated in a lot of subtle ways virtually everywhere which really
adds up to a big difference in look and feel overall.

Yea Compiz can add a few neat little things but realistically speaking,
I've found myself never using any of it.

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On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:07:55 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:20:19 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sonny wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Is this any good? Anyone tried it?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>To get an idea of the difference between Ubuntu and Vista, watch this
>>>>but note that this an older version of Ubuntu and it's gotten better
>>>>since then:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC5uEe5OzNQ
>>>>
>>>>Alias
>>>
>>>Like the idiot you are, you're telling people to make a decision on
>>>which os is better based on eye-candy...LOL! Get real!
>>
>>
>> Is it just me or did you essentially just admit that Linux has the
>> better eyecandy?
>
> Oh, you mean that cubie thing that you like to trill around? Yeah, that
> can be addictive! In fact I showed it to one of my associates and he
> loaded it at home to baby sit his pre-teen kids...LOL!

I knew Compiz had to be good for something!

>
>
>> And on that note, what is wrong with that?
>>
>> MS Seems perfectly happy using Aero as a marketing gimmick to get
>> people to switch to Vista...
>
> Get real stephen...aero is great for an open window sorter...but to sit
> there flipping windows is well...dumb...be it on Vista or linux.

Well yes, believe it or not, I agree with you on that. That still isn't
stopping MS from using it as a marketing tool though :)

>
> so according to that rule,...
>
> rule...what rule? We don't need no stinking rules...LOL!
>
> they shouldn't be doing
>> doing that as it's only eyecandy right?
>
> Are you making this up as you go along?

Why the hell not? :)

>>
>> I mean, gotta be consistent...
>
> Yeah, maybe you should give it a try. Frank
>>

I'm very consistent. I consistently prefer Linux over windows. See? )

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:55:19 +0800, Sonny wrote:

> "Sonny" <sonny@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OZVeC7fpIHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Is this any good? Anyone tried it?
>>
>>
> I'm sorry if my post was in the wrong forum. But I thought it was
> because I wanted to know what Vista users think of Ubuntu.
>
> I'm amazed to read all the threads and the reactions. The cheers and the
> boos.
>
> Basically, I just got to know about Ubuntu. I can afford vista and I
> have vista. Just a little pissed off with the problems Vista (and it
> predecessors) gave me.
>
> After years of dealing with Windows, I thought someone could come, lift
> me off my feet, get rid of the BSOD, forget about updating
> antivirus,etc.
>
> Guess the day will never come. If it did, what will Bill Gates live on?

Well honestly, if you are really interested in giving Ubuntu a try, my
suggestion for you is to go either the Ubuntu newsgroup or forums and ask
there. And don't ask the question you asked here "Have you tried Ubuntu
and is it good"? I mean, that'd be a relatively useless question to ask
in those places. Matter of fact, it's a pretty useless question to ask
anywhere because the question doesn't address *your* needs.

A better question would be along these lines:

"I'm interested in Ubuntu and these are the things I need to be able to
do:" and list your needs there.

At that point in time, your specific needs can be addressed and you can
more accurately get an idea whether or not it would be an alternative for
you.

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"Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fusim6$gce$2@aioe.org...
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unlike some here, I do not denigrate Linux distros, only the people who
>>>> make wild claims for them.
>>>
>>> *That's* funny!
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Not really. Where is the joke? You make greater claims for Ubuntu than
>> ever Mark Shuttleworth does. You don't judge from a technical standpoint,
>> so much as your dislike for Microsoft..
>>
>
> I guess you conveniently don't remember how you've dissed ABI Word, OO and
> Ubuntu. Memory loss problem?
>
> What's to like about Microsoft? They *obviously* hold their paying
> customers in disdain.
>
> Alias


Nope.. I didn't diss Abiword or OO. It amused me when you made that claim
about doing 'real' work using Abiword.

As for OO, I don't use it personally, but have loaded it onto systems where
the client can't afford MS Office. There is a good choice of templates for
OO too, but no more than is already available for Office 2007.

Re Ubuntu, it is just one of many Linux distros. If one of my clients wanted
it, or any of the others, I would install it and do my best to support the
client.

My issue with you is that you do not consider all aspects of moving from one
platform to another. Your assumption that people only surf, send e-mail and
write letters to Santa is way off of the mark, and you appear to know
nothing regards exporting data from one application platform to another, or
even if it is possible and that the user will have the functionality they
are used to having. You are clouded by your dislike of Microsoft, and I
still maintain that it makes your advice dangerous.

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On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:33:07 -0700, DarkSentinel wrote:

> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:67bloaF2n3rrnU4@mid.individual.net...
>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:31:27 +0800, Sonny wrote:
>>
>>> Is this any good? Anyone tried it?
>>
>> First off - this is an MS group. I'd like to know why you posted here?
>
> Indeed. So AGAIN, why are YOU here?

Pardon me! I have as much right to be here as you do. I'm here for several
reasons - occasionally I can help someone, and I need the mirth it adds to
my life.

>
>> Yes. It's quite good, though I'd wait a couple of weeks before
>> installing the latest version which came out today. Use it on four home
>> computers and five seats I admin at the local library - for public
>> access internet use. Works very well - troublefree. You can run it as a
>> Live CD - insert the CD, reboot and it will boot and run from the CD
>> without any permanent install so you can 'try before you buy'.
>
> It's ok if you need a server solution. Not if you need a desktop
> solution.

Total B.S. Works great as a desktop solution - you'd know that if you ever
tried it.
 
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:39:55 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "Sonny" <sonny@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OZVeC7fpIHA.4736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Is this any good? Anyone tried it?
>>
>>
> Ubuntu is good if you just want to Surf the net, write a few E-Mail's
> and script a letter to your Mama

That's exactly what 98% of users do 98% of the time.
 
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