Re: cola nut sees a "mass migration" to Linux

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* Tim Slattery peremptorily fired off this memo:

> Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
>
>>> MS MVP(Shell/User)
>
>>Does the above mean you're a shell expert?
>
> It means that MS changes the MVP categories faster than I can keep up!
>
>>What's your favorite shell? tsh? csh? zsh? ksh? bash? Or zoidberg?
>
> Kornshell, when I use Unix.

I've gotten used to bash, but I really need to discipline myself to
write bare-bones sh scripts.

--
The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste, they have
absolutely no taste, and what that means is -- I don't mean that in a small
way I mean that in a big way -- in the sense that they they don't think of
original ideas and they don't bring much culture into their product.
-- Steve Jobs as quoted in the PBS documentary Triumph of the Nerds (1996)
 
"Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
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>* Tim Slattery peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
>>
>>>> MS MVP(Shell/User)
>>
>>>Does the above mean you're a shell expert?
>>
>> It means that MS changes the MVP categories faster than I can keep up!
>>
>>>What's your favorite shell? tsh? csh? zsh? ksh? bash? Or zoidberg?
>>
>> Kornshell, when I use Unix.
>
> I've gotten used to bash, but I really need to discipline myself to
> write bare-bones sh scripts.

I use bash with Cygwin and MSYS. Great shell.
 
Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> writes:

> * Tim Slattery peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
>>
>>>> MS MVP(Shell/User)
>>
>>>Does the above mean you're a shell expert?
>>
>> It means that MS changes the MVP categories faster than I can keep up!
>>
>>>What's your favorite shell? tsh? csh? zsh? ksh? bash? Or zoidberg?
>>
>> Kornshell, when I use Unix.
>
> I've gotten used to bash, but I really need to discipline myself to
> write bare-bones sh scripts.

Come one then Liarnut - tell us why. Or are you just bandying words
around to show off again?
 
AqD <aquila.deus@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mar 27, 3:50 am, Jim Richardson <warl...@eskimo.com> wrote:
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>> > WTF? The machines we develop on now do these things in a blink of an
>> > eye. And I challenge ANY developer here to say that a few ms wasted "as
>> > he types" is somehow an anchor on his productivity compared to the
>> > benefits it brings.
>>
>> An interesting assertion. Hadron claims that "a few ms" delay when
>> typing won't affect productivitiy.

It won't. Did you never hear of multitasking/threading? Do you REALLY
think that a few ms of CPU time used when typing is going to have any
adverse affect? do you? YO do know it wont hold up your typing dont you?
And a few ms used up to calculate things like class trees etc as you
type is nothing from the otherwise wasted bandwidth?

Dear me Jim. You seem to get more clueless with every attempt to support
a supposed "advocate".

These IDEs are good- and its why people use them.

Me? I don't like big heavy IDEs as a general rule and tend to use Emacs -
but it sure ain't for the beginner. Actually, I will rephrase that : I
see it as a challenge to keep using Emacs for these things.

> Those big java IDEs don't run well on old computers. But if you can
> pay for those expensive softwares, can't you pay for a new PC?

And, when they're loaded they're ok.

>
> BTW it's not a few ms, the whole checking process (or the auto

Its a few ms on a fast CPU - but lets not quibble. Its done in the bg
most of the time and on a decent PC which any developer SHOULD have then
the cost/benefit analysis ensures that these features are very welcome.

> building/make in eclipse) is quiet CPU intensive although it's done
> in background, one can still feel that slowness on an old pc like mine
> (sempron 2.4g). But the productivity it brings worths everything - and

Yes!

> those features are what most free IDEs/editors don't have - or cannot
> have unless you really have a lot of developers to put into that part .

--
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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:47:07 +0100,
Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
> AqD <aquila.deus@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Mar 27, 3:50 am, Jim Richardson <warl...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> > WTF? The machines we develop on now do these things in a blink of an
>>> > eye. And I challenge ANY developer here to say that a few ms wasted "as
>>> > he types" is somehow an anchor on his productivity compared to the
>>> > benefits it brings.
>>>
>>> An interesting assertion. Hadron claims that "a few ms" delay when
>>> typing won't affect productivitiy.
>
> It won't. Did you never hear of multitasking/threading? Do you REALLY
> think that a few ms of CPU time used when typing is going to have any

we are talking about a few ms of lag in kb responce, which is *very*
noticable.

> adverse affect? do you? YO do know it wont hold up your typing dont you?
> And a few ms used up to calculate things like class trees etc as you
> type is nothing from the otherwise wasted bandwidth?
>

it slows down typing responce.

> Dear me Jim. You seem to get more clueless with every attempt to support
> a supposed "advocate".
>
> These IDEs are good- and its why people use them.
>
> Me? I don't like big heavy IDEs as a general rule and tend to use Emacs -
> but it sure ain't for the beginner. Actually, I will rephrase that : I
> see it as a challenge to keep using Emacs for these things.
>
>> Those big java IDEs don't run well on old computers. But if you can
>> pay for those expensive softwares, can't you pay for a new PC?
>
> And, when they're loaded they're ok.
>
>>
>> BTW it's not a few ms, the whole checking process (or the auto
>
> Its a few ms on a fast CPU - but lets not quibble. Its done in the bg
> most of the time and on a decent PC which any developer SHOULD have then
> the cost/benefit analysis ensures that these features are very welcome.
>
>> building/make in eclipse) is quiet CPU intensive although it's done
>> in background, one can still feel that slowness on an old pc like mine
>> (sempron 2.4g). But the productivity it brings worths everything - and
>
> Yes!
>
>> those features are what most free IDEs/editors don't have - or cannot
>> have unless you really have a lot of developers to put into that part .
>

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Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
"We live in the interface between radioactive molten rock and hard
vacuum and we worry about safety."
-- A friend of Steve Vanevender
 
On Mar 28, 1:13 am, Jim Richardson <warl...@eskimo.com> wrote:
> we are talking about a few ms of lag in kb responce, which is *very*
> noticable.
>
> it slows down typing responce.

Just get a better PC.
 
AqD <aquila.deus@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mar 28, 1:13 am, Jim Richardson <warl...@eskimo.com> wrote:
>> we are talking about a few ms of lag in kb responce, which is *very*
>> noticable.
>>
>> it slows down typing responce.
>
> Just get a better PC.

Jim is talking nonsense or he bought some garbage with no buffer.
 
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