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Stephan Rose
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 20:00:15 +0000, dennis@home wrote:
> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
> news:H-KdnVbxD8tsNnvanZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:36:04 +0000, dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fs5ri7$62m$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks to the successful FUD from people like you and Microsoft.
>>>> Until recently, Linux was not very user friendly for the average
>>>> user.
>>>
>>> This will be fun.. explain how anything M$ does or says affects how
>>> user friendly Linux is, has been or will be? When were M$ in charge of
>>> Linux development? Face it.. it wasn't FUD Linux really was
>>> unfriendly, it still isn't friendly.
>>>
>>>
>> Oh come on dennis. Please frigging explain to me what is so extremely
>> unfriendly about the latest Gnome desktop. There isn't anything I can
>> think of that wouldn't be related to my developer tasks, which
>> certainly are beyond the scope of the average home user, that cannot be
>> done point and click...
>
> I refer you to ndis wrappers needed to get many wireless cards to work
> as an example of the friendliness of Linux and leave it to the reader to
> decide.
That is an install-time driver issue that the user would not have to deal
with on a pre-installed system that comes with a recovery CD like windows
systems come....and it also isn't an issue if using linux-compatible
wireless hardware.
>
>
>> Though I will say that when it comes to user-friendliness that the
>> Gnome desktop is far superior to the KDE desktop. I find KDE to be a
>> lot less friendly as it always seems to lack many of the UI shortcuts
>> that Gnome has.
>
> You have to get the graphics working first. I have found that some
> distros like Ubuntu 7.10 are actually worse at graphics device support
> than their older versions. I put forth the experience I have had with
> several 845 chipset notebooks as an example of stuff that did work and
> now doesn't work properly without command line chants and editing of
> files (I could say using ed but that would be FUD).
Again, that is an install-time driver issue that the user would not have
to deal with on a pre-installed system that comes with a recovery CD like
windows systems come...and it also isn't an issue if using linux-
compatible display hardware.
So do you have anything that pertains to actually using linux? Because
seriously, if all you got is install-time driver issues...especially
where the wireless issue is primarily only caused by lack of vendor
support (ie, broadcom)....that's pretty damn weak.
Let's see...what is the #1 thing suggested to users when they come into
this newsgroup with hardware or software compatibility issues with Vista?
Oh right, it's "Did you do your homework first to make sure everything is
compatible with Vista?"
So if it's ok to expect users to have to do their homework prior to using
Vista, why is it not ok to expect users to have to do their homework
prior to do using linux?
All you've cited are install-time driver issues which are extremely
easily circumvented by just choosing the proper hardware and would NOT
exist on pre-installed systems.
The wireless issue can be solved by simply using an intel wireless card.
Out of the box support.
The graphics issue, even though personally I've never experienced any
issues with intel graphics hardware personally, could easily be solved by
using an nVidia or ATI graphics card instead which are both extremely
well supported.
Vista has it's fair share of hardware incompatibility issues as well.
Shit, it won't even detect half my hardware on my own system!
Vista won't detect my network hardware, standard on-board LAN on my asus
motherboard.
Vista won't detect my graphics hardware, nVidia 8800 GTX.
Vista won't detect my sound hardware, on-board sound on my asus
motherboard.
And that's only part of the list of things Vista won't detect.
Yes all those things can be fixed, even under Vista. Though it is hard to
go download drivers with a non-working ethernet port. However, it can be
overcome....but it hardly is what I'd call "user-friendly".
So I ask you again, where are the user-friendliness issues with linux
when actually USING the damn system?
>
>
>> Like for instance, if I want to burn a CD or DVD image, Gnome just lets
>> me right click the file and select "Burn Disk..." right there from the
>> file manager. Try that under Vista...oh wait..you can't.
Well, you
>> also can't from KDE. Just as one example.
>
> Have you tried Vista?
Yes. Note my reference to vista and my hardware above.
--
Stephan
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> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
> news:H-KdnVbxD8tsNnvanZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:36:04 +0000, dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fs5ri7$62m$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks to the successful FUD from people like you and Microsoft.
>>>> Until recently, Linux was not very user friendly for the average
>>>> user.
>>>
>>> This will be fun.. explain how anything M$ does or says affects how
>>> user friendly Linux is, has been or will be? When were M$ in charge of
>>> Linux development? Face it.. it wasn't FUD Linux really was
>>> unfriendly, it still isn't friendly.
>>>
>>>
>> Oh come on dennis. Please frigging explain to me what is so extremely
>> unfriendly about the latest Gnome desktop. There isn't anything I can
>> think of that wouldn't be related to my developer tasks, which
>> certainly are beyond the scope of the average home user, that cannot be
>> done point and click...
>
> I refer you to ndis wrappers needed to get many wireless cards to work
> as an example of the friendliness of Linux and leave it to the reader to
> decide.
That is an install-time driver issue that the user would not have to deal
with on a pre-installed system that comes with a recovery CD like windows
systems come....and it also isn't an issue if using linux-compatible
wireless hardware.
>
>
>> Though I will say that when it comes to user-friendliness that the
>> Gnome desktop is far superior to the KDE desktop. I find KDE to be a
>> lot less friendly as it always seems to lack many of the UI shortcuts
>> that Gnome has.
>
> You have to get the graphics working first. I have found that some
> distros like Ubuntu 7.10 are actually worse at graphics device support
> than their older versions. I put forth the experience I have had with
> several 845 chipset notebooks as an example of stuff that did work and
> now doesn't work properly without command line chants and editing of
> files (I could say using ed but that would be FUD).
Again, that is an install-time driver issue that the user would not have
to deal with on a pre-installed system that comes with a recovery CD like
windows systems come...and it also isn't an issue if using linux-
compatible display hardware.
So do you have anything that pertains to actually using linux? Because
seriously, if all you got is install-time driver issues...especially
where the wireless issue is primarily only caused by lack of vendor
support (ie, broadcom)....that's pretty damn weak.
Let's see...what is the #1 thing suggested to users when they come into
this newsgroup with hardware or software compatibility issues with Vista?
Oh right, it's "Did you do your homework first to make sure everything is
compatible with Vista?"
So if it's ok to expect users to have to do their homework prior to using
Vista, why is it not ok to expect users to have to do their homework
prior to do using linux?
All you've cited are install-time driver issues which are extremely
easily circumvented by just choosing the proper hardware and would NOT
exist on pre-installed systems.
The wireless issue can be solved by simply using an intel wireless card.
Out of the box support.
The graphics issue, even though personally I've never experienced any
issues with intel graphics hardware personally, could easily be solved by
using an nVidia or ATI graphics card instead which are both extremely
well supported.
Vista has it's fair share of hardware incompatibility issues as well.
Shit, it won't even detect half my hardware on my own system!
Vista won't detect my network hardware, standard on-board LAN on my asus
motherboard.
Vista won't detect my graphics hardware, nVidia 8800 GTX.
Vista won't detect my sound hardware, on-board sound on my asus
motherboard.
And that's only part of the list of things Vista won't detect.
Yes all those things can be fixed, even under Vista. Though it is hard to
go download drivers with a non-working ethernet port. However, it can be
overcome....but it hardly is what I'd call "user-friendly".
So I ask you again, where are the user-friendliness issues with linux
when actually USING the damn system?
>
>
>> Like for instance, if I want to burn a CD or DVD image, Gnome just lets
>> me right click the file and select "Burn Disk..." right there from the
>> file manager. Try that under Vista...oh wait..you can't.
Well, you>> also can't from KDE. Just as one example.
>
> Have you tried Vista?
Yes. Note my reference to vista and my hardware above.
--
Stephan
1986 Pontiac Fiero GT
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