People Would Rather Pay For Windows Than Use Linux.

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dennis@home wrote:
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> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
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>> The apple OS is much like Linux, Sun's Solaris is much like Linux, so
>> although they will not directly be about to support free Linux there
>> is a user base out there, which from a learning curve point of view is
>> not insignificant.
>
> The Apple OS is nothing like Linux.. its based on FreeBSD so there is no
> Linux in the Apple OS at all.
>
> Sun Solaris has a kernel similar to Linux.. not really surprising as
> Solaris is based on SVR5 and Linus copied its predecesor to make Linux.
> However the structure and resource management in Solaris is way ahead of
> Linux as is its security model, the kernel is compartmentalised as
> required by the DoD unlike Linux.
>
> BTW you can get Solaris free from
> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp if you want to see a Linux
> killer.
>
>
>


I have Solaris thanks, not used it much as I have not had much spare
time. I think I phrased the other comment ambiguously, I didn't mean the
Apple OS and Solaris are literally "Like" Linux although as you said
Solaris is somewhat similar, I meant they are both much different than
Windows but like Linux have a reasonable number of users. Although this
does not in any way support Linux directly it does mean that people who
use them can suggest "an" alternative to Windows to their associates. A
lot of people naturally think Windows is all there is.

Example, we have XP Pro on machines at work, I (and the IT guy)
generally set them for "Classic" menu. One woman insists we need to get
rid of that slow old thing because it only has Windows 98 on it, and
despite it rebooting with the XP Pro screen she insists we are lying and
it's really 98 because "She knows" what 98 looks like. :)

I am not sure about Sun offering a free Solaris, I grabbed a copy but
not sure why they did that...
 
Saucy wrote:
> [Headers trimmed]
>
> It's because the Linux platform is mostly half baked junk. The platform
> is merely adequate for 3 things:
>
> 1. File serving
> 2. Web file serving
> 3. Sobbery at universities because is it overcomplicated and demands the
> use of arcane command line commands which the snobs think their
> referring to both establishes and proves their self-appointed
> "superiority".
>
> But the truth of the matter is that Linux can't even get drag 'n drop
> right.
>
> Saucy


Wrong on all three counts, you really have no experience in this
industry do you :)
 
owl wrote:
> luisortizhome@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> As for multiple desktops, ever see that utility that comes with every
>> Nvidia card?
>> Probobly not because the CD won't work with Linux, well it has nView
>> which gives you multiple desktops.

Yes it does, I'm using it right now.
 
Sven Geier wrote:
> dont.pullout@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Linux is free.
>> Windows is not.
>> Linux has been free for a long time while Microsoft stagnated with
>> Windows XP.
>> Linux is free.
> [...]
>> Why?
>
> 1) You may be mistaken with the "windows costs money" line of reasoning. See
> right here: http://articles.tlug.jp/Windows_Is_Free
>
> 2) The wife just bought a laptop. It came with Windows on it. It just works.
> Why would she go to the trouble of erasing a perfectly functioning OS just
> to install another one? The apps that she likes (like OpenOffice or
> Firefox) can be downloaded for Windows just as well as for Linux. What
> motivation would she have to "switch"?
>
>
> Just thinking out loud here...
>
>
> -- S
>
>


For me personally I see no reason to switch. However when it suddenly
decides she stole it and activation shuts it down there may be a very
good reason to switch.
 
dennis@home wrote:

>
> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
> news:Oo7zLYj8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
>> The apple OS is much like Linux, Sun's Solaris is much like Linux, so
>> although they will not directly be about to support free Linux there is a
>> user base out there, which from a learning curve point of view is not
>> insignificant.
>
> The Apple OS is nothing like Linux.. its based on FreeBSD so there is no
> Linux in the Apple OS at all.
>
> Sun Solaris has a kernel similar to Linux.. not really surprising as
> Solaris is based on SVR5 and Linus copied its predecesor to make Linux.
> However the structure and resource management in Solaris is way ahead of
> Linux as is its security model, the kernel is compartmentalised as
> required by the DoD unlike Linux.
>

You mean the EAL4+ certs of several linux distros don't exist?

> BTW you can get Solaris free from
> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp if you want to see a Linux
> killer.

Yep, it is killing me to see such a pile of driverless software lying
around, unable to handle common hardware
Linux beats Slowaris hands down in several measures.

No thanks, I stay with the better system.
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Rich wrote:
>> You mean, like "thank goodness I don't have to put up with Windows
>> anymore"?
>
> now YOU are telling me what I mean?

Looked like a question to me. Can't you see the question mark at the end
of the sentence?

>
> heh
>
> I guess that is the only way you can make your OS politics work?
>
> Rich

I guess you can't read properly.

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Stuart

You don't have to legislate against anybody. Linux and all open source
programs are out there already. All free too. With what people paid for OEM
XP, after a couple of years, they have had their monies worth. So why don't
they download Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS, or order the CD?

My guess is that they probably think they will struggle with it, that they
will get complaints from family members that this or that no longer runs.

Look at the amount of posts here where people are complaining that Vista
changes over XP are too much for them. Imagine the family waking up to
Feisty Fawn. No more MSN Messenger or 'Barbie' program, different colors,
menus, games. Where is the start menu? Why doesn't the webcam work?

I know one or two that started with AOL and swear by it (not at it). They
would never change, free or not. People don't want free. They want what they
are used to running, and nothing too technical. Just turn it on and
everything is there, two mouse clicks away.






"Stuart Miller" <stuart_miller@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
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>>>>>>> Money CAN be made with Linux by selling services, which is the same
>>>>>>> way money is made with Windows. However you need to have people
>>>>>>> willing to use Linux first and then start selling them services
>>>>>>> contracts.
>
>
>>>>>> For linux to become popular it has to be installed on OEM machines.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> is what initially drives the market. When a new Microsoft OS comes
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> the previous is eventually made irrelevant because new computers have
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> new OS. Most people don't care what OS they run. They walk into a
>>>>>> store
>>>>>> and buy whatever the salesman gets the best commission on. Once they
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> home or back to work they try to figure out how to use it. If new
>>>>>> computers came with linux they would figure out and use linux. This
>>>>>> model
>>>>>> isn't based on selling a service but selling a product. OEM's aren't
>>>>>> going to switch to linux anytime soon for several reasons. The main
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> is money. They have a lot of money invested in the Windows ecosystem.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> would be very expensive for them to switch to a different OS even if
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> OS was free. That brings up the second problem. If the OS is free
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> is the incentive to develop it into a product that can be sold? Yes,
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> money can be made selling services to medium and big business. No, a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> of money can't be made selling desktop services to the general
>>>>>> public.
>>>>>> Currently the general public through OEM computer sales drives the
>>>>>> desktop market.
>>>>>>
>
>
>
>> I agree it will change. I think we disagree on when or what will change
>> it. I also disagree that anyone has a monopoly on "knowledge of how to
>> provide knowledge via a computer". This knowledge is
>> actually very common and supersedes Microsoft. Microsoft has a monopoly
>> on
>> selling Windows not on how to create an OS. They may use monopolistic
>> marketing techniques to get Windows on as many computers as they can.
>> This
>> is part of doing business in a capitalist society. I am not expressing an
>> opinion whether I agree with this or think it is right. I am saying what
>> I
>> think the current reality is. The future may have a linux based OS as the
>> main desktop for most computers but I don't think it will come to pass. I
>> think we are stuck with Windows until someone comes along with a new OS
>> that has something in it we all want/need/desire and currently don't have
>> or even know what it is we want/need/desire. All of the current OS' for
>> micro computers are too close to really say one is better. All we can
>> say is they are different and I prefer Windows/linux/OS X/Solaris/BSD,
>> whatever. It will take something new or someone with a lot of money for
>> marketing to knock Microsoft off the top of the heap.
>>
>
> With rather severe editing of the above, to focus in a few specific
> points.
>
>
> I believe that the problem is going to be a difficult one. In this market,
> there must be one major company 'owning' an OS sufficently that they can
> invest major funds in marketing.
> 1. We know that MS offers significant price and other concessions to any
> manufacturer who stays 'windows only'. So to gain a few short term sales
> in the linux market, every pc they sell becomes more expensive. As long as
> the computer makers compete so much on price, we are stuck. What we need
> os an 'oligopoly' of manufacturers to tell MS to (*&^ themselves. None
> have the courage or the means to do it by themeselves.
> 2. If a superior OS did happen, and was owned and properly promoted, MS
> would kill the company, directly like they did for Geoworks and DRDos,
> steal the code, like they did for 'superstore/superspace', or simply buy
> the company.
>
> The reason that linux can survive is that nobody owns it. There is no one
> party for MS to attack. Therefore the one thing that saves it, also
> prevents it from becomming a dominant force on the OS business.
>
> I think it is time for all of us to work for a change in the laws that MS
> hides behind. Like maybe you can't copyright software that is not
> guaranteed. Or, you can't copyright something that does not work prperly.
> You have to put the teeth in the profitability part of it.
> Telling/legislating that MS must guarantee/fix their product is a waste of
> time - there is no alternative right now, and they won't bother fix it. If
> there were competition, such as the auto or laptop computer industries,
> then a guarantee works - if they offer a bad product you just go to the
> other supplier. If MS faced the prospect of giving away windows until it
> worked properly, they would smarten up very quickly.
>
> Even if the US legislators and DOJ were not owned by MS, changes in
> approach would be a hard sell because of all the foreign exchange and
> income tax MS generates. (yes, the government profits from illegal
> activities). However, those of us in other countries can make a
> difference - and we are dealing with a company that is a drain on our
> foreign exchange, creates no significant employment directly (I mean MS
> employees in the country), and pays no or very little income tax to our
> government.
> Perhaps we will have a world where MS owns the US but linux run the
> computers in the rest of the world.
>
> If this worked, I can see 2 significant benefits to all of us. MS only
> gets paid if their software works, so we get versions of windows that
> work. And when MS can't perform, then linux gets a fair chance.
>
> Stuart
>

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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> Stuart
>
> You don't have to legislate against anybody. Linux and all open source
> programs are out there already. All free too. With what people paid for
> OEM XP, after a couple of years, they have had their monies worth. So
> why don't they download Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS, or order the CD?
>
> My guess is that they probably think they will struggle with it, that
> they will get complaints from family members that this or that no longer
> runs.
>
> Look at the amount of posts here where people are complaining that Vista
> changes over XP are too much for them. Imagine the family waking up to
> Feisty Fawn. No more MSN Messenger or 'Barbie' program, different
> colors, menus, games. Where is the start menu? Why doesn't the webcam work?
>
> I know one or two that started with AOL and swear by it (not at it).
> They would never change, free or not. People don't want free. They want
> what they are used to running, and nothing too technical. Just turn it
> on and everything is there, two mouse clicks away.

You really have a high opinion of computer users. NOT! MSN messenger
comes with GAIM in Ubuntu, btw.

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"[H]omer" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in news:tjrcr4-lni.ln1@sky.matrix:
> The fact is that no one can ever really know for a fact whether or not
> GNU/Linux is ubiquitous. How can one accurately measure the deployment
> of something that is Free?

Snip--->>>>

> Moreover, who would mourn the loss of Microsoft, if it came to that?
Why
> would any ordinary user fear losing something as restrictive,
expensive,
> and buggy as the Windows platform ... unless they were directly
> connected with the company in some way? IME the majority of ordinary
> users have no particular loyalty to Microsoft it isn't about loyalty,
> it's about habit, but bad habits can be broken. So who are these Trolls
> that are so loyal to Microsoft, who are so terrified about the
increased
> popularity of GNU/Linux, that they'd be compelled to come to COLA and
> spout anti-Linux rhetoric?

You sound very bitter as well as paranoid. Maybe your antenna are on too
tight? Lossening the straps might allow more blood flow to whatever
passes for a brain in your body.

Getting back to Linux vs Microsoft, it appears that the Linux people are
the ones terrified of Microsoft. Why are there so many anti Microsoft
messages in your Linux group? There is very little Linux advocacy
compared to Microsoft sucks messages.

With an operating system so *great* as Linux, surely you and the rest of
the tribe could find something positive to spout about Linux.

As for measuring Linux, look around and let us know what you see.
I see Windows everywhere and Linux virtually no place.

And speaking about numbers, it seems the Linux advocactes love to drag
out surveys that show Linux in good fashion (usually conducted by Linux
websites, magazines etc) but when it's the other way around the Linux
advocates start claiming Linux useage can't be measured.
Maybe not down to the very last CD but in general Linux HAS DONE
VIRTUALLY NOTHING to Microsoft's desktop domination in 10 years and it
doesn't look like it's doing any better today.

Face it, Linux is free and people are still running FROM it.

Imagine if Sandisk gave away free 30gb iPod clones. There would be riots
in the stores to get one and Sandisks useage numbers would go sky high.

Yet Linux is free, and you know the rest.
There's nothing simpler than a product that can't be given away.
Linux is that product.

The proof is in the reaction you dorks get when you take your act on the
road, outside the mental institution known as comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Normal people don't act like you clowns over in comp.os.linux.advocacy
do.
 
Linux is not for the general public.The learning curb is still to great for
the public to take the time and master.People want to click and open a
program or download and installnot write code and jump through hoops in
order to do simple computer commands.
 
fcs25 wrote:

>
>
> Linux is not for the general public.The learning curb is still to great
> for the public to take the time and master.People want to click and open a
> program or download and installnot write code and jump through hoops in
> order to do simple computer commands.

What are you billshitting about now? It's far easier to install software in
Linux than it is in Windoze. Far easier, because of the repositories Linux
distros provide and the GUI tools provided to do the package installations.
And no, again wrong ... with today's modern Linux distros, "simple computer
commands" require clicking your mouse. You can master that, can't you?

Cheers.

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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 03:22:43 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>
wrote:

>Saucy wrote:
>> [Headers trimmed]
>>
>> It's because the Linux platform is mostly half baked junk.

>> Saucy

>Wrong on all three counts, you really have no experience in this
>industry do you :)

Pointless to try to reason with closed-minded dopes like Saucy.

Fact: NASA picked Linux to help send it's rovers to Mars and a new
super computer running Linux is helping to design the next generation
space shuttle named Orion.

Guess what, no Windows anywhere in sight. Oops. Wouldn't want to have
a BSOD half way to Mars you know. -)

The Columbia cluster at NASA's Ames facility currently consists of
10,160 Itanium 2 chips running at 1.5 GHz. The cluster has a rating of
52 sustained teraflops, 61 teraflops peak and could be easily upgraded
to dual-core "Montecito" Itanium 9000 chips delivering more than twice
the oomph.

So that's more or less 52 trillion calculations per second.
 
fcs25 lied and wrote:
>
> Linux is not for the general public.

False.

>The learning curb is still to great for
> the public to take the time and master.

False.

> People want to click and open a
> program or download and install

viruses and malware. Yeah, great OS. They also want to to dance the WPA
and WGA jig. NOT!

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Adam Albright wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 03:22:43 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Saucy wrote:
>>> [Headers trimmed]
>>>
>>> It's because the Linux platform is mostly half baked junk.
>
>>> Saucy
>
>> Wrong on all three counts, you really have no experience in this
>> industry do you :)
>
> Pointless to try to reason with closed-minded dopes like Saucy.
>
> Fact: NASA picked Linux to help send it's rovers to Mars and a new
> super computer running Linux is helping to design the next generation
> space shuttle named Orion.
>
> Guess what, no Windows anywhere in sight. Oops. Wouldn't want to have
> a BSOD half way to Mars you know. -)
>
> The Columbia cluster at NASA's Ames facility currently consists of
> 10,160 Itanium 2 chips running at 1.5 GHz. The cluster has a rating of
> 52 sustained teraflops, 61 teraflops peak and could be easily upgraded
> to dual-core "Montecito" Itanium 9000 chips delivering more than twice
> the oomph.
>
> So that's more or less 52 trillion calculations per second.


<The entire world's computing needs don't require this stupid old man.
Your point is pointless. And again, have you ever used Linux you sorry
piece of trash?>
 
Alias wrote:

>
>
> A bit of help, no. Hours of cleaning crap off a Windows box,

Some how, I find that extremely difficult if not impossible to believe.
Especially coming from the likes of you.
Frank
 
NoStop wrote:

(every try and fix a fscked-up Windoze registry?)

Well doris...never had a "fscked-up Windoze registry"...whatever in the
world that is?
Frank
 
Alias wrote:

>
> Translation: Saucy just had his or her argument totally destroyed

Not by the likes of an idiot linux lovin loser like you!
Frank
 
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> A bit of help, no. Hours of cleaning crap off a Windows box,
>
> Some how, I find that extremely difficult if not impossible to believe.
> Especially coming from the likes of you.
> Frank

Find what hard to believe?

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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 07:35:37 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:

>NoStop wrote:
>
>(every try and fix a fscked-up Windoze registry?)
>
>Well doris...never had a "fscked-up Windoze registry"...whatever in the
>world that is?
>Frank

I bet people would pay to see me kick your stupid ass. Of course they
don't have to, I gladly do it for free and you are always so willing
to dance like the clueless putz you are.

ROTFLAMO!
 

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