Linux Is No Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

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Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:31:16 -0800, Titus Pullo wrote:
>
>> "HangEveryRepubliKKKan" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in
>> message news:hoK%i.14667$xa2.13202@read2.cgocable.net...
>>>
>>> LinTards such as yourself were claiming that 2007 was the year for
>>> Linux,
>>> the year that Microsoft would go bankrupt and the year that Linux
>>> wouild take over the desktop.
>>>
>>>
>> The Linux fans have claimed that every year since 1999 would be the
>> "year Linux takes over the desktop." Hasn't happened. Never will.
>>
>> Linux is fun for computer geeks (like myself) that like to tinker with
>> operating systems. However, for mom & pop that buy their computers at
>> Best Buy and run whatever is pre-installed, it is too difficult and the
>> major software developers (Adobe, Microsoft, etc..) ignore it.
>
> Well it's no surprise that Microsoft would "ignore" it...
>
> As far as other software developers go, I don't know about that. One
> problem major developers do face is that they have years and years
> invested in Windows' technology. It isn't easy when you have an
> application that is heavily based on Windows to support another OS over-
> night.
>
> I'll even go as far as to say that it's unlikely that most of the windows
> applications today will *ever* see any linux support. The work of porting
> it all to a cross-platform API would just be too much.
>
> What we might see though, and what I am hoping for, is increased usage of
> cross-platform capable APIs for future new products. These products don't
> incur a cost in porting them as they don't exist yet. So the only thing
> required would be to switch to a new API for new products which is fairly
> natural and common in the fast evolution of things in the software world.
>
> And, the bonus of that is that these APIs can generally target Linux,
> Windows and Mac. So really, for new software development, it does make
> sense to use them.
>
> I also think that this is what needs to happen for *any* non-windows OS
> to grow. As it stands right now, it does not really matter from a
> technical standpoint which OS is better/easier to use. Personally, I find
> Ubuntu to be easier, simpler and more convenient than anything Microsoft
> has to offer. My opinion, others may think different. Note, this is
> comparing strictly OS vs OS.
>
> However, it does not matter how much better an OS is that windows. If
> someone came out with an OS tomorrow that 100x better than windows in
> every imaginable way it would simply not matter as it would lack the
> ability to run windows software, making it unsuitable for most people.
>
> That, really is where the issue is. The issue is not which OS is
> "better", as that is hard to generally define. Each person has different
> needs and different opinions. There will always be people who like one
> better than the other.
>
> The issue is that the software market is largely Windows oriented and
> that until we have a more multi-os capable market, things probably won't
> change terribly much.
>
> I think that both Linux and Mac have grown sufficiently enough by now to
> generate a need for such multi-os capable APIs. Two such APIs that I can
> think of off the top of my head have already emerged and do a very
> excellent job. Now the only thing that's missing is more software
> released using them.
>
> If we get to a point where it largely doesn't matter what OS someone has
> to use their software, I think then we will all be better off. I
> personally don't want to see Windows go away...but I do want to see it
> have some competition as that'll ultimately benefit us all as the end
> users. A more level playing field between linux, mac and windows would
> essentially be to everyone's benefit.
>



he only thing stopping that progress is MS. MS
wants a monoculture. Monoculture is good only for
MS. Many are blinded by MS into thinking the
same. When they actuaslly start thinking for
themselves maybe they will realize that a
monoculture is self defeating no matter if it is
software, society, environment or whatever.
caver1
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

HangEveryRepubliKKKan wrote:
> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote
>> As far as other software developers go, I don't know about that. One
>> problem major developers do face is that they have years and years
>> invested in Windows' technology. It isn't easy when you have an
>> application that is heavily based on Windows to support another OS over-
>> night.
>
> But since there are no other viable operating systems, that's not really
> much of a problem.
>
>




http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS7848919863.html
caver1
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:18:49 -0600, HeyBub wrote:
>
>> Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>
>>> If we get to a point where it largely doesn't matter what OS someone
>>> has to use their software, I think then we will all be better off. I
>>> personally don't want to see Windows go away...but I do want to see
>>> it have some competition as that'll ultimately benefit us all as
>>> the end users. A more level playing field between linux, mac and
>>> windows would essentially be to everyone's benefit.
>>
>> .NET comprises about 131,000 APIs. Who's gonna rewrite them for
>> another OS?
>
> http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
>
> And, 131,000 APIs!? Where did you get THAT figure from?
>
> Also, .Net isn't everything. I was one of the beta testers of the .Net
> Framework 1.0 and have used it since the days it was in beta. When it
> was released, I had already over a year of experience with it and
> have been using it ever since up until about a year ago when I
> switched to a different API. So I have quite a few years of
> experience with it, even used to do technical support/help for it.
>
> It's great for many types of applications, anything where performance
> isn't absolutely critical. Anytime I've needed to use it for
> performance critical applications where every bit of performance
> counts it has fallen flat on it's face. The JIT compiler simply can't
> do some of the optimizations that a standard C++ compiler can do and
> all the runtime checking and garbage collection, while they make life
> convenient when writing software, don't exactly aid performance.
>
> So like anything else, it has it's pros and cons. But, it surely isn't
> the only thing out there and to me it's pretty meaningless as a cross
> platform API. I've found that there are much better choices.

Fascinating and informative. Still, who's gonna rewrite 211,146 APIs for a
different platform? (the number has increased since my last post).

Your observation: "...while they make life convienent... they don't exactly
aid performance" overlooks the obvious: a slow program is better than no
program.

Programmers develop stuff on varying platforms: a) because the platform's
there or b) because the platform's "better."

"There" wins out over "better" virtually every time.
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:37:18 -0600, HeyBub wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:18:49 -0600, HeyBub wrote:
>>
>>> Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If we get to a point where it largely doesn't matter what OS someone
>>>> has to use their software, I think then we will all be better off. I
>>>> personally don't want to see Windows go away...but I do want to see
>>>> it have some competition as that'll ultimately benefit us all as the
>>>> end users. A more level playing field between linux, mac and windows
>>>> would essentially be to everyone's benefit.
>>>
>>> .NET comprises about 131,000 APIs. Who's gonna rewrite them for
>>> another OS?
>>
>> http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
>>
>> And, 131,000 APIs!? Where did you get THAT figure from?
>>
>> Also, .Net isn't everything. I was one of the beta testers of the .Net
>> Framework 1.0 and have used it since the days it was in beta. When it
>> was released, I had already over a year of experience with it and have
>> been using it ever since up until about a year ago when I switched to a
>> different API. So I have quite a few years of experience with it, even
>> used to do technical support/help for it.
>>
>> It's great for many types of applications, anything where performance
>> isn't absolutely critical. Anytime I've needed to use it for
>> performance critical applications where every bit of performance counts
>> it has fallen flat on it's face. The JIT compiler simply can't do some
>> of the optimizations that a standard C++ compiler can do and all the
>> runtime checking and garbage collection, while they make life
>> convenient when writing software, don't exactly aid performance.
>>
>> So like anything else, it has it's pros and cons. But, it surely isn't
>> the only thing out there and to me it's pretty meaningless as a cross
>> platform API. I've found that there are much better choices.
>
> Fascinating and informative. Still, who's gonna rewrite 211,146 APIs for
> a different platform? (the number has increased since my last post).

Again, where did you get that number from? 211,146 APIs?

>
> Your observation: "...while they make life convienent... they don't
> exactly aid performance" overlooks the obvious: a slow program is better
> than no program.
>
> Programmers develop stuff on varying platforms: a) because the
> platform's there or b) because the platform's "better."
>
> "There" wins out over "better" virtually every time.

The .Net Framework isn't required to write software, nor is it suitable
for all types of software. Plenty of other APIs one can use out there as
well.

--
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Re: Wine - Yet Another LinTard Failure

On Nov 15, 8:10 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
<Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote:
> "High Plains Thumper" <highplainsthum...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>
> > There is more to it. If you want to run Windows applications, use Wine or
> > commercial equivalent.
>
> There is no commercial equivalent to wine.
>
> And Wine has never been out of beta. Further, even it's own creators
> claim it can't be taken seriously.
>
> Wine - Yet another LinTard Failure.

A number of Windows applications run well under Wine. And of course it
has a FreeBSD port.
 
Re: Wine - Yet Another LinTard Failure

"HangEveryRepubliKKKan" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in message
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>
> "High Plains Thumper" <highplainsthumper@invalid.invalid> wrote
>> There is more to it. If you want to run Windows applications, use Wine
>> or commercial equivalent.
>
> There is no commercial equivalent to wine.
>
> And Wine has never been out of beta. Further, even it's own creators
> claim it can't be taken seriously.
>
> Wine - Yet another LinTard Failure.
>

TROLL
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

dumbass@home wrote:

>"7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wall Mart Linux PCs sold out in less than 10 days
>> after going on sale. They have to restock.
>
>The greedy linux users bought them all, no new users there, sorry.

Still pulling nonsense out of your rear-end, dumbass?
 
Re: Wine - Yet Another LinTard Failure

Just Another Person Who Could Use Ubuntu. Just FYI


"Martin Langsholt" <mlan76@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "HangEveryRepubliKKKan" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in
> message news:YiM%i.14683$xa2.7417@read2.cgocable.net...
>>
>> "High Plains Thumper" <highplainsthumper@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>> There is more to it. If you want to run Windows applications, use Wine
>>> or commercial equivalent.
>>
>> There is no commercial equivalent to wine.
>>
>> And Wine has never been out of beta. Further, even it's own creators
>> claim it can't be taken seriously.
>>
>> Wine - Yet another LinTard Failure.
>>
>
> TROLL
 
[snips]

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:48:01 -0500, Kelton wrote:

> Does "2% market share" mean that Linux is bought only
> by 2% of those who buy an operating system?
>
> What I mean to ask is: how does one arrive at a market share
> percentage figure?

Realistically, one doesn't.

If you want to count dollars involved - market share - you'll likely find
Linux down around 1-2% of Windows share. Thing is, that _only_ counts the
Linux distros which are actually sold - and IINM, a number of those allow
multiple installs from a single purchase, you just don't get the support,
etc, on more than one.

If you want to count _seats_ - the number of systems actually running
Linux - you'd get a somewhat better representation, but not terribly
realistic. For one thing, where do you get the stats? You'd need a site
big enough to account for a representative sample of all users, which
_doesn't_ pander, in any way whatsoever, to one platform over another (in
media formats, files available, browser detection, etc, etc, etc) and
publishes its stats.

Once you have that, you have to include the "geek factor" - that is, until
relatively recently, Linux _was_ something of a geek toy, and geeks like
things such as efficiency. So, for example, a home network of anything
from 2 to 200 machines may never be seen as more than a single system in
such a report, if the LAN goes through a local caching proxy, which is a
lot more common in Linux environs, IME, than people think.

That is, if the site's logs say that IP address a.b.c.d visited three
times during the day and viewed 50 pages, that's all well and good -
but does that represent one machine or ten requesting documents, when all
the site records, generally, is the IP of the proxy or router - and if it
is a caching proxy, those 50 page requests over 3 visits may in fact
represent 500 page reads over a dozen machines.

Counting web logs, thus, really accomplishes nothing if only because usage
patterns between typical Linux users and typical Windows users are _not_
the same - even if they do peruse the same sites.

About the only way to be sure is to poll directly - but then you'll have
to ensure you're not just polling downtown USA the usage in, oh,
China or India might be somewhat different.

As far as I'm aware, nobody has undertaken an actually meaningful attempt
to establish usage about all we get, usually, is some bonehead comparing
"market share" based on revenues - which is stupid - or poking at some
site's web logs without any concept of the limits of such a method -
equally stupid.

In the end, the answer really is that you don't arrive at a market share
number, by dollars or seats while it's certainly _possible_ to do so, the
effort and expense to actually do so sensibly seems to, thus far, outweigh
the desirability of correct information.
 
* Kelsey Bjarnason fired off this tart reply:

> As far as I'm aware, nobody has undertaken an actually meaningful attempt
> to establish usage about all we get, usually, is some bonehead comparing
> "market share" based on revenues - which is stupid ...

Actually, for most purposes, companies care only about the revenue
measurements. So there's some logic there.

Where I think they make the mistake, though, is that they miss the
measurements that would indicate a very large potential market for
Linux-based products and services.

It would seem that DELL and Walmart, among others are waking up to the
market potential of the GNU/Linux population.

Microsoft will not go quietly into the night.

And that's actually a good thing, as it keeps up the pressure for
quality.

--
Tux rox!
 
"Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
news:u7D1j.505$k27.450@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> Microsoft will not go quietly into the night.
>
> And that's actually a good thing, as it keeps up the pressure for
> quality.

Precisely! Here is what the zealots of any stripe fail to understand. If
Apple had gone out of business in the mid-90's, would we have Vista or even
XP today? Probably not. If Microsoft closed up today, would Apple continue
to improve? Probably not. Competition and the free market are the consumer's
best friend. Vista, OS X, and Linux in its various forms are three viable
desktop systems. You can debate the merits of each all day, but the fact
remains that you can have any one of them running on a computer today.
Because they have to compete, each of them is pressured into constantly
improving and innovating, and because of that, we all win.
 
Titus Pullo wrote:
>
> "Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
> news:u7D1j.505$k27.450@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> Microsoft will not go quietly into the night.
>>
>> And that's actually a good thing, as it keeps up the pressure for
>> quality.
>
> Precisely! Here is what the zealots of any stripe fail to understand. If
> Apple had gone out of business in the mid-90's, would we have Vista or
> even XP today? Probably not. If Microsoft closed up today, would Apple
> continue to improve? Probably not. Competition and the free market are
> the consumer's best friend. Vista, OS X, and Linux in its various forms
> are three viable desktop systems. You can debate the merits of each all
> day, but the fact remains that you can have any one of them running on a
> computer today. Because they have to compete, each of them is pressured
> into constantly improving and innovating, and because of that, we all win.

Vista's only "improvement" over XP is that it is better at pissing
paying customers off by "improving" WPA and WGA. Your argument is
theoretical at best and naive at worst.

Alias
 
Alias wrote:

> Titus Pullo wrote:
>
>>
>> "Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
>> news:u7D1j.505$k27.450@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>
>>>
>>> Microsoft will not go quietly into the night.
>>>
>>> And that's actually a good thing, as it keeps up the pressure for
>>> quality.
>>
>>
>> Precisely! Here is what the zealots of any stripe fail to understand.
>> If Apple had gone out of business in the mid-90's, would we have Vista
>> or even XP today? Probably not. If Microsoft closed up today, would
>> Apple continue to improve? Probably not. Competition and the free
>> market are the consumer's best friend. Vista, OS X, and Linux in its
>> various forms are three viable desktop systems. You can debate the
>> merits of each all day, but the fact remains that you can have any one
>> of them running on a computer today. Because they have to compete,
>> each of them is pressured into constantly improving and innovating,
>> and because of that, we all win.
>
>
> Vista's only "improvement" over XP is that it is better at pissing
> paying customers off by "improving" WPA and WGA. Your argument is
> theoretical at best and naive at worst.
>
> Alias

....and you're ill informed at best and a fukkin liar at worst.
Frank
 
"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fi72ks$b5u$1@aioe.org...
> Titus Pullo wrote:
>>
>> "Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
>> news:u7D1j.505$k27.450@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> Microsoft will not go quietly into the night.
>>>
>>> And that's actually a good thing, as it keeps up the pressure for
>>> quality.
>>
>> Precisely! Here is what the zealots of any stripe fail to understand. If
>> Apple had gone out of business in the mid-90's, would we have Vista or
>> even XP today? Probably not. If Microsoft closed up today, would Apple
>> continue to improve? Probably not. Competition and the free market are
>> the consumer's best friend. Vista, OS X, and Linux in its various forms
>> are three viable desktop systems. You can debate the merits of each all
>> day, but the fact remains that you can have any one of them running on a
>> computer today. Because they have to compete, each of them is pressured
>> into constantly improving and innovating, and because of that, we all
>> win.
>
> Vista's only "improvement" over XP is that it is better at pissing paying
> customers off by "improving" WPA and WGA. Your argument is theoretical at
> best and naive at worst.
>
> Alias


almost 100 millions users disagree, Aliass.
Don't use the preinstalled BS...ubuntu comes preinstalled, yet I dont think
Dell sells even 50,000 of them.
 
forty-nine wrote:
> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fi72ks$b5u$1@aioe.org...
>> Titus Pullo wrote:
>>>
>>> "Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
>>> news:u7D1j.505$k27.450@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft will not go quietly into the night.
>>>>
>>>> And that's actually a good thing, as it keeps up the pressure for
>>>> quality.
>>>
>>> Precisely! Here is what the zealots of any stripe fail to understand.
>>> If Apple had gone out of business in the mid-90's, would we have
>>> Vista or even XP today? Probably not. If Microsoft closed up today,
>>> would Apple continue to improve? Probably not. Competition and the
>>> free market are the consumer's best friend. Vista, OS X, and Linux in
>>> its various forms are three viable desktop systems. You can debate
>>> the merits of each all day, but the fact remains that you can have
>>> any one of them running on a computer today. Because they have to
>>> compete, each of them is pressured into constantly improving and
>>> innovating, and because of that, we all win.
>>
>> Vista's only "improvement" over XP is that it is better at pissing
>> paying customers off by "improving" WPA and WGA. Your argument is
>> theoretical at best and naive at worst.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> almost 100 millions users disagree, Aliass.

Numbers mean nothing.

> Don't use the preinstalled BS...ubuntu comes preinstalled, yet I dont
> think Dell sells even 50,000 of them.

You're right you don't think.

Alias
 
"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fi79g9$27f$1@aioe.org...
> forty-nine wrote:
>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fi72ks$b5u$1@aioe.org...
>>> Titus Pullo wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
>>>> news:u7D1j.505$k27.450@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft will not go quietly into the night.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that's actually a good thing, as it keeps up the pressure for
>>>>> quality.
>>>>
>>>> Precisely! Here is what the zealots of any stripe fail to understand.
>>>> If Apple had gone out of business in the mid-90's, would we have Vista
>>>> or even XP today? Probably not. If Microsoft closed up today, would
>>>> Apple continue to improve? Probably not. Competition and the free
>>>> market are the consumer's best friend. Vista, OS X, and Linux in its
>>>> various forms are three viable desktop systems. You can debate the
>>>> merits of each all day, but the fact remains that you can have any one
>>>> of them running on a computer today. Because they have to compete, each
>>>> of them is pressured into constantly improving and innovating, and
>>>> because of that, we all win.
>>>
>>> Vista's only "improvement" over XP is that it is better at pissing
>>> paying customers off by "improving" WPA and WGA. Your argument is
>>> theoretical at best and naive at worst.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> almost 100 millions users disagree, Aliass.
>
> Numbers mean nothing.
>
>> Don't use the preinstalled BS...ubuntu comes preinstalled, yet I dont
>> think Dell sells even 50,000 of them.
>
> You're right you don't think.
>
> Alias


HaHaHa....you got nothing.

Linux users hate numbers...like less than 2 %.
More people are over 7 feet tall than use ubuntu...hehehe.
Poor ubuntu, maybe if the next version is called Hungry, Hungry Hippo...it
will catch on.
 
forty-nine wrote:
> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fi79g9$27f$1@aioe.org...
>> forty-nine wrote:
>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fi72ks$b5u$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Titus Pullo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
>>>>> news:u7D1j.505$k27.450@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft will not go quietly into the night.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that's actually a good thing, as it keeps up the pressure for
>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Precisely! Here is what the zealots of any stripe fail to
>>>>> understand. If Apple had gone out of business in the mid-90's,
>>>>> would we have Vista or even XP today? Probably not. If Microsoft
>>>>> closed up today, would Apple continue to improve? Probably not.
>>>>> Competition and the free market are the consumer's best friend.
>>>>> Vista, OS X, and Linux in its various forms are three viable
>>>>> desktop systems. You can debate the merits of each all day, but the
>>>>> fact remains that you can have any one of them running on a
>>>>> computer today. Because they have to compete, each of them is
>>>>> pressured into constantly improving and innovating, and because of
>>>>> that, we all win.
>>>>
>>>> Vista's only "improvement" over XP is that it is better at pissing
>>>> paying customers off by "improving" WPA and WGA. Your argument is
>>>> theoretical at best and naive at worst.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> almost 100 millions users disagree, Aliass.
>>
>> Numbers mean nothing.
>>
>>> Don't use the preinstalled BS...ubuntu comes preinstalled, yet I dont
>>> think Dell sells even 50,000 of them.
>>
>> You're right you don't think.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> HaHaHa....you got nothing.
>
> Linux users hate numbers...like less than 2 %.
> More people are over 7 feet tall than use ubuntu...hehehe.
> Poor ubuntu, maybe if the next version is called Hungry, Hungry
> Hippo...it will catch on.

Your argument is useless and your flippancy is pathetic. Used to be the
majority thought the world was flat but those numbers didn't make the
planet any less round. Used to be people thought the horse manure
problem in NYC would never go away and that the horseless carriage
didn't stand a chance in hell in succeeding. The horse MVPs -- the black
smiths -- thought they would never be out of business either.

Alias
 
"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fi7aho$69k$1@aioe.org...
> forty-nine wrote:
>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fi79g9$27f$1@aioe.org...
>>> forty-nine wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fi72ks$b5u$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Titus Pullo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:u7D1j.505$k27.450@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft will not go quietly into the night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that's actually a good thing, as it keeps up the pressure for
>>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Precisely! Here is what the zealots of any stripe fail to understand.
>>>>>> If Apple had gone out of business in the mid-90's, would we have
>>>>>> Vista or even XP today? Probably not. If Microsoft closed up today,
>>>>>> would Apple continue to improve? Probably not. Competition and the
>>>>>> free market are the consumer's best friend. Vista, OS X, and Linux in
>>>>>> its various forms are three viable desktop systems. You can debate
>>>>>> the merits of each all day, but the fact remains that you can have
>>>>>> any one of them running on a computer today. Because they have to
>>>>>> compete, each of them is pressured into constantly improving and
>>>>>> innovating, and because of that, we all win.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista's only "improvement" over XP is that it is better at pissing
>>>>> paying customers off by "improving" WPA and WGA. Your argument is
>>>>> theoretical at best and naive at worst.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> almost 100 millions users disagree, Aliass.
>>>
>>> Numbers mean nothing.
>>>
>>>> Don't use the preinstalled BS...ubuntu comes preinstalled, yet I dont
>>>> think Dell sells even 50,000 of them.
>>>
>>> You're right you don't think.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> HaHaHa....you got nothing.
>>
>> Linux users hate numbers...like less than 2 %.
>> More people are over 7 feet tall than use ubuntu...hehehe.
>> Poor ubuntu, maybe if the next version is called Hungry, Hungry
>> Hippo...it will catch on.
>
> Your argument is useless and your flippancy is pathetic. Used to be the
> majority thought the world was flat but those numbers didn't make the
> planet any less round. Used to be people thought the horse manure problem
> in NYC would never go away and that the horseless carriage didn't stand a
> chance in hell in succeeding. The horse MVPs -- the black smiths --
> thought they would never be out of business either.
>
> Alias


What survey was ever done on the flat earth believers ?
They thought little of such ideas... preferring instead to focus on rooting
thru trash, avoiding plague and famine, staying clear of religious zealots,
hoping their social superiors would not beat them for eating an extra
potato.
No, I doubt a majority of the world was ever concerned with the layout of
the earth beyond 2 days journey on foot.
That would have been a better time for ubuntu to make its debut.
 
Alias wrote:
> forty-nine wrote:
>
>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fi79g9$27f$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>> forty-nine wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fi72ks$b5u$1@aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>>> Titus Pullo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Linonut" <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:u7D1j.505$k27.450@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft will not go quietly into the night.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that's actually a good thing, as it keeps up the pressure for
>>>>>>> quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Precisely! Here is what the zealots of any stripe fail to
>>>>>> understand. If Apple had gone out of business in the mid-90's,
>>>>>> would we have Vista or even XP today? Probably not. If Microsoft
>>>>>> closed up today, would Apple continue to improve? Probably not.
>>>>>> Competition and the free market are the consumer's best friend.
>>>>>> Vista, OS X, and Linux in its various forms are three viable
>>>>>> desktop systems. You can debate the merits of each all day, but
>>>>>> the fact remains that you can have any one of them running on a
>>>>>> computer today. Because they have to compete, each of them is
>>>>>> pressured into constantly improving and innovating, and because of
>>>>>> that, we all win.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista's only "improvement" over XP is that it is better at pissing
>>>>> paying customers off by "improving" WPA and WGA. Your argument is
>>>>> theoretical at best and naive at worst.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> almost 100 millions users disagree, Aliass.
>>>
>>>
>>> Numbers mean nothing.
>>>
>>>> Don't use the preinstalled BS...ubuntu comes preinstalled, yet I
>>>> dont think Dell sells even 50,000 of them.
>>>
>>>
>>> You're right you don't think.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>>
>> HaHaHa....you got nothing.
>>
>> Linux users hate numbers...like less than 2 %.
>> More people are over 7 feet tall than use ubuntu...hehehe.
>> Poor ubuntu, maybe if the next version is called Hungry, Hungry
>> Hippo...it will catch on.
>
>
> Your argument is useless and your flippancy is pathetic.

Describes what you've been trying to use as an "arguments" now for months.
Your pathetic.

Used to be the
> majority thought the world was flat...

Not really. That is a myth. Most of those involved in maritime
operations figured out long ago that the world was round. Ever been on a
ship at sea?
Idiot.

but those numbers didn't make the
> planet any less round.

Strawman bs.

Used to be people thought the horse manure
> problem in NYC would never go away and that the horseless carriage
> didn't stand a chance in hell in succeeding.

You actually believe that sh*t?

The horse MVPs -- the black
> smiths -- thought they would never be out of business either.

You're really not all that bright are you.
Frank
 
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