Linux Is No Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

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Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

Charlie Tame wrote:
> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>> Be careful if you do that.
>> About the time of Windows XP release, Wal-Mart also sold Linux computers.
>> Apparently there was insufficient demand and they were soon dropped.
>>
>> A friend considered purchasing one and installing Windows XP.
>> However Windows drivers were not available for all hardware so some
>> hardware would have had to be replaced driving up the net cost.
>>
>> Also look and notice the hardware specs are very low:
>> 1.5 GHz
>> 512 MB RAM
>> 80 GB hard drive
>> There are no expansion slots to install/upgrade video, sound, NIC
>> cards etc.
>> This computer appears as upgradable as a laptop.
>> Etc.
>> Any desired upgrades can drive up the price of a seemingly inexpensive
>> computer.
>> Perhaps better options in the more expensive models.
>>
>
>
> Yes, probably better to buy a 3 year old machine with slots than this
> thing with only what's on the limited MB.
The system seems not to be as incomplete as suggested:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5305482907.html
The gOS Dev Board is a Micro-ATX form-factor Via "PC-1" motherbased on a
1.5GHz Via C7 processor. The board's hardware specs are listed as follows:
* Processor -- Via C7-D 1.5GHz
* Chipset -- Via CN700 + VT8237R plus
* Memory -- 2 x DDRII slots, for up to 2GB
* Storage:
o 2 x PATA interfaces (up to ATA133)
o 2 x SATA interfaces (up to SATA150)
o Floppy drive interface
* Networking -- 10/100 Base-T Ethernet based on Via VT6103L PHY
* Video -- Via UniChrome Pro IGP (VIA CN700)
* Audio:
o
o Based on Realtek ALC655 (supports 6 channels)
o Connectors -- audio line out/in, mic jack
* Other I/O:
o VGA out
o 4 x USB 2.0 ports
o 2 x PS2 ports
o Parallel printer port
o Serial port
o IR interface
Expansion:
o PCI slots
o CNR slot
* Power:
o 20-pin ATX power connector
o +12V 4-pin power connector
o Supports ACPI S1/S4/S5 mode power management
* Dimensions -- 7.5 x 9.0 inches (190 x 228 mm

--
norm
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net> wrote in
news:OZNPiUWKIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:

> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>> Be careful if you do that.
>> About the time of Windows XP release, Wal-Mart also sold Linux
>> computers. Apparently there was insufficient demand and they were
>> soon dropped.
>>
>> A friend considered purchasing one and installing Windows XP.
>> However Windows drivers were not available for all hardware so some
>> hardware would have had to be replaced driving up the net cost.
>>
>> Also look and notice the hardware specs are very low:
>> 1.5 GHz
>> 512 MB RAM
>> 80 GB hard drive
>> There are no expansion slots to install/upgrade video, sound, NIC
>> cards etc.
>> This computer appears as upgradable as a laptop.
>> Etc.
>> Any desired upgrades can drive up the price of a seemingly
>> inexpensive computer.
>> Perhaps better options in the more expensive models.
>>
>
>
> Yes, probably better to buy a 3 year old machine with slots than this
> thing with only what's on the limited MB.

Maybe, maybe not....

http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=A4842001#
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

"SG" <nomail@sorry.com> wrote in
news:uXJ$B$VKIHA.1620@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754614#Item+Descr
> iption
>
> Thought about buying one of these, format it and install Vista, but
> that would take time and 100.00 or so extra bucks. I see the same
> machine is available already with Vista and this is the cheapest way
> to go. WOW Vista for only $79.00 installed...WHAT A DEAL
>
> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754613#Item+Descr
> iption

Not the same machine.

The gPC one:

Linux
80 GB PATA drive
512 Megs DDR2 RAM
DVD-ROM/CD-RW

The Vista version:

Vista Home BASIC
80 GB SATA drive
1 Gig DDR2 RAM
Multi-format DVD+/-R

Hmmm. Why only $79 difference in price.
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

The first link was for the Linux system, the second for Vista thus the
reason I posted both. If someone was going to buy these machines because of
low cost, the Vista is the best deal because the Operating system is only
$79.00 more. That's a good deal, you can't buy Vista for that plus the fact
it's already installed. I'd bet 99.99% of these sales are people who have no
clue about computers. They see the price and think all systems are the same.
Just like the Microwave, they buy the cheap, heat up a bowl of soup and
think it's great. Only until they need to Defrost something they find it
doesn't have that option and their now dissatisfied.

I should have noted I was joking about buying one. I've been in the computer
business for many years and know what these machines consist of. However, I
do have two brothers I might buy one for at Christmas..VBG

All the best,



"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:O7NKbOWKIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Be careful if you do that.
> About the time of Windows XP release, Wal-Mart also sold Linux computers.
> Apparently there was insufficient demand and they were soon dropped.
>
> A friend considered purchasing one and installing Windows XP.
> However Windows drivers were not available for all hardware so some
> hardware would have had to be replaced driving up the net cost.
>
> Also look and notice the hardware specs are very low:
> 1.5 GHz
> 512 MB RAM
> 80 GB hard drive
> There are no expansion slots to install/upgrade video, sound, NIC cards
> etc.
> This computer appears as upgradable as a laptop.
> Etc.
> Any desired upgrades can drive up the price of a seemingly inexpensive
> computer.
> Perhaps better options in the more expensive models.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "SG" <nomail@sorry.com> wrote in message
> news:uXJ$B$VKIHA.1620@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754614#Item+Description
>>
>> Thought about buying one of these, format it and install Vista, but that
>> would take time and 100.00 or so extra bucks. I see the same machine is
>> available already with Vista and this is the cheapest way to go. WOW
>> Vista for only $79.00 installed...WHAT A DEAL
>>
>> http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754613#Item+Description
>
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> Charlie
> Hardware wise, the three year old machine may be equal or better.
>
> A lot of what you pay for on these boxes is the operating system and
> programs installed and configured.
> You remove those features and you have poor quality and perhaps unusable
> hardware.
>


Some of the cheaper Compaqs got that way, the more expensive ones were
upgradeable but the cheaper ones were built for what they were and
stayed that way :)

I inherited a used HP some time ago, was expensive when new but maybe
$150 when I got it. Bit more RAM and it flies with XP. Is actually a
nice machine.
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

norm wrote:
> Charlie Tame wrote:
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>> Be careful if you do that.
>>> About the time of Windows XP release, Wal-Mart also sold Linux
>>> computers.
>>> Apparently there was insufficient demand and they were soon dropped.
>>>
>>> A friend considered purchasing one and installing Windows XP.
>>> However Windows drivers were not available for all hardware so some
>>> hardware would have had to be replaced driving up the net cost.
>>>
>>> Also look and notice the hardware specs are very low:
>>> 1.5 GHz
>>> 512 MB RAM
>>> 80 GB hard drive
>>> There are no expansion slots to install/upgrade video, sound, NIC
>>> cards etc.
>>> This computer appears as upgradable as a laptop.
>>> Etc.
>>> Any desired upgrades can drive up the price of a seemingly
>>> inexpensive computer.
>>> Perhaps better options in the more expensive models.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, probably better to buy a 3 year old machine with slots than this
>> thing with only what's on the limited MB.
> The system seems not to be as incomplete as suggested:
> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5305482907.html
> The gOS Dev Board is a Micro-ATX form-factor Via "PC-1" motherbased on a
> 1.5GHz Via C7 processor. The board's hardware specs are listed as follows:
> * Processor -- Via C7-D 1.5GHz
> * Chipset -- Via CN700 + VT8237R plus
> * Memory -- 2 x DDRII slots, for up to 2GB
> * Storage:
> o 2 x PATA interfaces (up to ATA133)
> o 2 x SATA interfaces (up to SATA150)
> o Floppy drive interface
> * Networking -- 10/100 Base-T Ethernet based on Via VT6103L PHY
> * Video -- Via UniChrome Pro IGP (VIA CN700)
> * Audio:
> o
> o Based on Realtek ALC655 (supports 6 channels)
> o Connectors -- audio line out/in, mic jack
> * Other I/O:
> o VGA out
> o 4 x USB 2.0 ports
> o 2 x PS2 ports
> o Parallel printer port
> o Serial port
> o IR interface
> Expansion:
> o PCI slots
> o CNR slot
> * Power:
> o 20-pin ATX power connector
> o +12V 4-pin power connector
> o Supports ACPI S1/S4/S5 mode power management
> * Dimensions -- 7.5 x 9.0 inches (190 x 228 mm
>


Didn't mean to suggest incomplete, but no use for top level gaming etc
and unfortunately some are going to think that because it has "Vista" it
may be. Then when they go looking to improve it --- oops.
 
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:49:23 +0000, alt wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:40:22 -0800, suzie.linux wrote:
>
>> "Recently, I swapped the hard drives between two Gateway 295C Tablet
>> PCs. The major component difference was the graphics accelerator. The
>> one model had an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300 accelerator and the other
>> integrated Intel graphics. When booting up after the hard drive switch,
>> Vista loaded a generic and inadequate VGA driver, which is sensible.
>> Within minutes, Windows Update had identified the correct video driver
>> and made it available for download.
>
> How many people actually do that? I mean, seriously? Switching hard
> drives from one machine to the other is rarely done. Especially on
> windows where it causes a _lot_ of grief.
>
> But yes, X doesn't like changing cards. I'm sure if this was something
> people were doing on a regular basis that they'd develop a fallback to
> VGA or SVGA.

They already are. Version 7.3 which is coming out soon, if it isn't out
already, supports exactly that. I beta tested it a little a couple months
ago, worked well.

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Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:02:00 +0000, dennis@home wrote:

> "7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
> news:WZH%i.49213$c_1.21161@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>> Wall Mart Linux PCs sold out in less than 10 days after going on sale.
>> They have to restock.
>
>
> The greedy linux users bought them all, no new users there, sorry.

And you know this how? You actually know every single customer
personally, including their OS preferences?

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Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

Charlie Tame wrote:
> norm wrote:
>> Charlie Tame wrote:
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>>> Be careful if you do that.
>>>> About the time of Windows XP release, Wal-Mart also sold Linux
>>>> computers.
>>>> Apparently there was insufficient demand and they were soon dropped.
>>>>
>>>> A friend considered purchasing one and installing Windows XP.
>>>> However Windows drivers were not available for all hardware so some
>>>> hardware would have had to be replaced driving up the net cost.
>>>>
>>>> Also look and notice the hardware specs are very low:
>>>> 1.5 GHz
>>>> 512 MB RAM
>>>> 80 GB hard drive
>>>> There are no expansion slots to install/upgrade video, sound, NIC
>>>> cards etc.
>>>> This computer appears as upgradable as a laptop.
>>>> Etc.
>>>> Any desired upgrades can drive up the price of a seemingly
>>>> inexpensive computer.
>>>> Perhaps better options in the more expensive models.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, probably better to buy a 3 year old machine with slots than this
>>> thing with only what's on the limited MB.
>> The system seems not to be as incomplete as suggested:
>> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5305482907.html
>> The gOS Dev Board is a Micro-ATX form-factor Via "PC-1" motherbased on
>> a 1.5GHz Via C7 processor. The board's hardware specs are listed as
>> follows:
>> * Processor -- Via C7-D 1.5GHz
>> * Chipset -- Via CN700 + VT8237R plus
>> * Memory -- 2 x DDRII slots, for up to 2GB
>> * Storage:
>> o 2 x PATA interfaces (up to ATA133)
>> o 2 x SATA interfaces (up to SATA150)
>> o Floppy drive interface
>> * Networking -- 10/100 Base-T Ethernet based on Via VT6103L PHY
>> * Video -- Via UniChrome Pro IGP (VIA CN700)
>> * Audio:
>> o
>> o Based on Realtek ALC655 (supports 6 channels)
>> o Connectors -- audio line out/in, mic jack
>> * Other I/O:
>> o VGA out
>> o 4 x USB 2.0 ports
>> o 2 x PS2 ports
>> o Parallel printer port
>> o Serial port
>> o IR interface
>> Expansion:
>> o PCI slots
>> o CNR slot
>> * Power:
>> o 20-pin ATX power connector
>> o +12V 4-pin power connector
>> o Supports ACPI S1/S4/S5 mode power management
>> * Dimensions -- 7.5 x 9.0 inches (190 x 228 mm
>>
>
>
> Didn't mean to suggest incomplete, but no use for top level gaming etc
> and unfortunately some are going to think that because it has "Vista" it
> may be. Then when they go looking to improve it --- oops.
>
Point taken, but I was referring more to the statement about it not
having slots to upgrade: "There are no expansion slots to
install/upgrade video, sound, NIC cards etc."
It does have pci slots for upgrade availability. In any event, chances
are a true gamer will know right away the that the machine cannot
provide the power desired. But there may be enough upgrade capability
available for someone less than "power user" who desires to increase
performance for more modest use.

--
norm
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

"norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
news:eHp%23lYXKIHA.2064@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Charlie Tame wrote:
>> norm wrote:
>>> Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
>>>>> Be careful if you do that.
>>>>> About the time of Windows XP release, Wal-Mart also sold Linux
>>>>> computers.
>>>>> Apparently there was insufficient demand and they were soon dropped.
>>>>>
>>>>> A friend considered purchasing one and installing Windows XP.
>>>>> However Windows drivers were not available for all hardware so some
>>>>> hardware would have had to be replaced driving up the net cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also look and notice the hardware specs are very low:
>>>>> 1.5 GHz
>>>>> 512 MB RAM
>>>>> 80 GB hard drive
>>>>> There are no expansion slots to install/upgrade video, sound, NIC
>>>>> cards etc.
>>>>> This computer appears as upgradable as a laptop.
>>>>> Etc.
>>>>> Any desired upgrades can drive up the price of a seemingly inexpensive
>>>>> computer.
>>>>> Perhaps better options in the more expensive models.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, probably better to buy a 3 year old machine with slots than this
>>>> thing with only what's on the limited MB.
>>> The system seems not to be as incomplete as suggested:
>>> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5305482907.html
>>> The gOS Dev Board is a Micro-ATX form-factor Via "PC-1" motherbased on a
>>> 1.5GHz Via C7 processor. The board's hardware specs are listed as
>>> follows:
>>> * Processor -- Via C7-D 1.5GHz
>>> * Chipset -- Via CN700 + VT8237R plus
>>> * Memory -- 2 x DDRII slots, for up to 2GB
>>> * Storage:
>>> o 2 x PATA interfaces (up to ATA133)
>>> o 2 x SATA interfaces (up to SATA150)
>>> o Floppy drive interface
>>> * Networking -- 10/100 Base-T Ethernet based on Via VT6103L PHY
>>> * Video -- Via UniChrome Pro IGP (VIA CN700)
>>> * Audio:
>>> o
>>> o Based on Realtek ALC655 (supports 6 channels)
>>> o Connectors -- audio line out/in, mic jack
>>> * Other I/O:
>>> o VGA out
>>> o 4 x USB 2.0 ports
>>> o 2 x PS2 ports
>>> o Parallel printer port
>>> o Serial port
>>> o IR interface
>>> Expansion:
>>> o PCI slots
>>> o CNR slot
>>> * Power:
>>> o 20-pin ATX power connector
>>> o +12V 4-pin power connector
>>> o Supports ACPI S1/S4/S5 mode power management
>>> * Dimensions -- 7.5 x 9.0 inches (190 x 228 mm
>>>
>>
>>
>> Didn't mean to suggest incomplete, but no use for top level gaming etc
>> and unfortunately some are going to think that because it has "Vista" it
>> may be. Then when they go looking to improve it --- oops.
>>
> Point taken, but I was referring more to the statement about it not having
> slots to upgrade: "There are no expansion slots to install/upgrade video,
> sound, NIC cards etc."
> It does have pci slots for upgrade availability. In any event, chances are
> a true gamer will know right away the that the machine cannot provide the
> power desired. But there may be enough upgrade capability available for
> someone less than "power user" who desires to increase performance for
> more modest use.
>
> --
> norm


No gamer would buy it.
But his parents will give it to him for X-mas !
Some units will be returning to WalMart shortly.
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

"HangEveryRepubliKKKan" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> LinTards such as yourself were claiming that 2007 was the year for Linux,
> the year that Microsoft would go bankrupt and the year that Linux wouild
> take over the desktop.
>

The Linux fans have claimed that every year since 1999 would be the "year
Linux takes over the desktop." Hasn't happened. Never will.

Linux is fun for computer geeks (like myself) that like to tinker with
operating systems. However, for mom & pop that buy their computers at Best
Buy and run whatever is pre-installed, it is too difficult and the major
software developers (Adobe, Microsoft, etc..) ignore it.

Vista is a great OS. Does everything that I could want it to do with ease,
and with no problems.
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:31:16 -0800, Titus Pullo wrote:

> "HangEveryRepubliKKKan" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in
> message news:hoK%i.14667$xa2.13202@read2.cgocable.net...
>>
>>
>> LinTards such as yourself were claiming that 2007 was the year for
>> Linux,
>> the year that Microsoft would go bankrupt and the year that Linux
>> wouild take over the desktop.
>>
>>
> The Linux fans have claimed that every year since 1999 would be the
> "year Linux takes over the desktop." Hasn't happened. Never will.
>
> Linux is fun for computer geeks (like myself) that like to tinker with
> operating systems. However, for mom & pop that buy their computers at
> Best Buy and run whatever is pre-installed, it is too difficult and the
> major software developers (Adobe, Microsoft, etc..) ignore it.

Well it's no surprise that Microsoft would "ignore" it...

As far as other software developers go, I don't know about that. One
problem major developers do face is that they have years and years
invested in Windows' technology. It isn't easy when you have an
application that is heavily based on Windows to support another OS over-
night.

I'll even go as far as to say that it's unlikely that most of the windows
applications today will *ever* see any linux support. The work of porting
it all to a cross-platform API would just be too much.

What we might see though, and what I am hoping for, is increased usage of
cross-platform capable APIs for future new products. These products don't
incur a cost in porting them as they don't exist yet. So the only thing
required would be to switch to a new API for new products which is fairly
natural and common in the fast evolution of things in the software world.

And, the bonus of that is that these APIs can generally target Linux,
Windows and Mac. So really, for new software development, it does make
sense to use them.

I also think that this is what needs to happen for *any* non-windows OS
to grow. As it stands right now, it does not really matter from a
technical standpoint which OS is better/easier to use. Personally, I find
Ubuntu to be easier, simpler and more convenient than anything Microsoft
has to offer. My opinion, others may think different. Note, this is
comparing strictly OS vs OS.

However, it does not matter how much better an OS is that windows. If
someone came out with an OS tomorrow that 100x better than windows in
every imaginable way it would simply not matter as it would lack the
ability to run windows software, making it unsuitable for most people.

That, really is where the issue is. The issue is not which OS is
"better", as that is hard to generally define. Each person has different
needs and different opinions. There will always be people who like one
better than the other.

The issue is that the software market is largely Windows oriented and
that until we have a more multi-os capable market, things probably won't
change terribly much.

I think that both Linux and Mac have grown sufficiently enough by now to
generate a need for such multi-os capable APIs. Two such APIs that I can
think of off the top of my head have already emerged and do a very
excellent job. Now the only thing that's missing is more software
released using them.

If we get to a point where it largely doesn't matter what OS someone has
to use their software, I think then we will all be better off. I
personally don't want to see Windows go away...but I do want to see it
have some competition as that'll ultimately benefit us all as the end
users. A more level playing field between linux, mac and windows would
essentially be to everyone's benefit.

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Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

Stephan Rose wrote:
>
> If we get to a point where it largely doesn't matter what OS someone
> has to use their software, I think then we will all be better off. I
> personally don't want to see Windows go away...but I do want to see it
> have some competition as that'll ultimately benefit us all as the end
> users. A more level playing field between linux, mac and windows would
> essentially be to everyone's benefit.

..NET comprises about 131,000 APIs. Who's gonna rewrite them for another OS?
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:02:00 +0000, dennis@home wrote:
>
>> "7" <website_has_email@www.enemygadgets.com> wrote in message
>> news:WZH%i.49213$c_1.21161@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>>> Wall Mart Linux PCs sold out in less than 10 days after going on
>>> sale. They have to restock.
>>
>>
>> The greedy linux users bought them all, no new users there, sorry.
>
> And you know this how? You actually know every single customer
> personally, including their OS preferences?

I was told Walmart only had 18 to start with.
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

In article <9lM%i.14684$xa2.4489@read2.cgocable.net>,
"HangEveryRepubliKKKan" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> writes:
>
> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote
>> As far as other software developers go, I don't know about that. One
>> problem major developers do face is that they have years and years
>> invested in Windows' technology. It isn't easy when you have an
>> application that is heavily based on Windows to support another OS over-
>> night.
>
> But since there are no other viable operating systems, that's not really
> much of a problem.
>
>

You kiddies wanna go play someplace else? Maybe if your REAL good,
Mommie will let you go play in traffic tomorrow. Meantime, leave
the adults alone.

Oh, yeah, just FYI, FreeBSD is NOT another flavor of Linux and a
genuinely viable operating system.

Pom
 
Kelton wrote:
> Does "2% market share" mean that Linux is bought only
> by 2% of those who buy an operating system?
>
> What I mean to ask is: how does one arrive at a market share
> percentage figure?


When the numbers are favorable toward Linux the market share concept is
valid.

When the numbers are not favorable toward Linux the market share concept is
invalid.


Then we have k00ks like Oldtech/Nerdwizard/AHappyCamper/pberry26 claiming
they've converted *thousands*. Good for a laugh and not so good for
spreading Linux to the masses.
 
IDIOT - Just FYI

Just FYI. You Are A Nut Sack - Just FYI.

"HangEveryRepubliKKKan" <Justice@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote in message
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>
> "SW" <sw@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>> Does "2% market share" mean that Linux is bought only
>>> by 2% of those who buy an operating system?
>>>
>>> What I mean to ask is: how does one arrive at a market share
>>> percentage figure?
>
> It't not that difficult. Web browsers identify their type and underlying
> OS. Further once a web site has been touched and the IP of the originator
> know, then you can ask the OS at that IP, what OS they are running (and
> provided that the port request isn't blocked), you know the OS.
>
> You can then scale the results with the known sales of Windows (or the
> mac) and get a measure in absolute terms of the number of users in total
> for a particular OS - where that OS is used in browsing.
>
> Surveys are also used of course, (and I have taken part in several) and
> other methods.
>
> Now on the server side it's a little more difficult becuase you don't have
> a random sample of machines identifying themselves. I don't know how it's
> done in that instance. But direct sampling of a series of hosts might be
> possible. Select a series of web pages and then identifying the IP and
> then requesting from that IP the type of OS serving the pages.
>
>
 
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:53:22 -0600, Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:49:23 +0000, alt wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:40:22 -0800, suzie.linux wrote:
>>
>>> "Recently, I swapped the hard drives between two Gateway 295C Tablet
>>> PCs. The major component difference was the graphics accelerator. The
>>> one model had an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 2300 accelerator and the other
>>> integrated Intel graphics. When booting up after the hard drive
>>> switch, Vista loaded a generic and inadequate VGA driver, which is
>>> sensible. Within minutes, Windows Update had identified the correct
>>> video driver and made it available for download.
>>
>> How many people actually do that? I mean, seriously? Switching hard
>> drives from one machine to the other is rarely done. Especially on
>> windows where it causes a _lot_ of grief.
>>
>> But yes, X doesn't like changing cards. I'm sure if this was something
>> people were doing on a regular basis that they'd develop a fallback to
>> VGA or SVGA.
>
> They already are. Version 7.3 which is coming out soon, if it isn't out
> already, supports exactly that. I beta tested it a little a couple
> months ago, worked well.

Well, there you go. I've stopped paying attention to all this stuff. I
install Ubuntu and just walk away. I've only had to mangle xorg.conf once
because I changed video cards and that was on 6.10.
 
Re: Linux Is Vista Killer. (Who would have known?)

On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:18:49 -0600, HeyBub wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>>
>> If we get to a point where it largely doesn't matter what OS someone
>> has to use their software, I think then we will all be better off. I
>> personally don't want to see Windows go away...but I do want to see it
>> have some competition as that'll ultimately benefit us all as the end
>> users. A more level playing field between linux, mac and windows would
>> essentially be to everyone's benefit.
>
> .NET comprises about 131,000 APIs. Who's gonna rewrite them for another
> OS?

http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page

And, 131,000 APIs!? Where did you get THAT figure from?

Also, .Net isn't everything. I was one of the beta testers of the .Net
Framework 1.0 and have used it since the days it was in beta. When it was
released, I had already over a year of experience with it and have been
using it ever since up until about a year ago when I switched to a
different API. So I have quite a few years of experience with it, even
used to do technical support/help for it.

It's great for many types of applications, anything where performance
isn't absolutely critical. Anytime I've needed to use it for performance
critical applications where every bit of performance counts it has fallen
flat on it's face. The JIT compiler simply can't do some of the
optimizations that a standard C++ compiler can do and all the runtime
checking and garbage collection, while they make life convenient when
writing software, don't exactly aid performance.

So like anything else, it has it's pros and cons. But, it surely isn't
the only thing out there and to me it's pretty meaningless as a cross
platform API. I've found that there are much better choices.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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