Yet Another Dud Linux Distribution.

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Hadron wrote:
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>> 47f9487a$0$16662$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/6/08 3:02 PM:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Not everyone wants both.
>>>>>>>> caver1
>>>>>>> Uh oh. Another crazy who doesn't actually realise what's being
>>>>>>> suggested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Firstly we dont necessrily care about "everyone" - only the GREAT
>>>>>>> majority. Secondly I am hard pressed to think of ANYONE who would not
>>>>>>> want a better organized distro with a less fractured UI.
>>>>>> COLA Linux Advocates. :)
>>>>> The mind boggles as to "caver1"s mindset where he thinks it better to
>>>>> keep a broken, fractured distro because a minority "might" want
>>>>> it. Huh?!?!?!? I mean, I have heard some stupid things in my life but
>>>>> this kind of mental thought process leaves me wondering just who these
>>>>> people are.
>>>> The debate is not even about *how* to organize... just *if* it is better to
>>>> be organized in a distro, or have well done organization.
>>> Okay Hardon tell me where Linux is Broken.
>>> caver1
>> I would love to see your argument as to why organization, attractive looks,
>> and lack-of-fracturing in the UI would be a bad thing that you would not
>> want... just seems absurd to me.
>
> He is absurd. He must be a nym for someone like wRonG.
>
> He keeps asking me to "prove it" after I have just done so. Weird.


No you have only prove that you want Linux to be in your flavor nothing
else.
When you call me a liar I also say prove it and your come back is "I
already did" or "What are you talking about"
Most of your rants belong in COLA and should stay there.
caver1
 
"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
47fa195d$0$16691$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 5:53 AM:

> Snit wrote:
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>> 47f9487a$0$16662$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/6/08 3:02 PM:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Not everyone wants both.
>>>>>>>> caver1
>>>>>>> Uh oh. Another crazy who doesn't actually realise what's being
>>>>>>> suggested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Firstly we dont necessrily care about "everyone" - only the GREAT
>>>>>>> majority. Secondly I am hard pressed to think of ANYONE who would not
>>>>>>> want a better organized distro with a less fractured UI.
>>>>>> COLA Linux Advocates. :)
>>>>> The mind boggles as to "caver1"s mindset where he thinks it better to
>>>>> keep a broken, fractured distro because a minority "might" want
>>>>> it. Huh?!?!?!? I mean, I have heard some stupid things in my life but
>>>>> this kind of mental thought process leaves me wondering just who these
>>>>> people are.
>>>> The debate is not even about *how* to organize... just *if* it is better to
>>>> be organized in a distro, or have well done organization.
>>> Okay Hardon tell me where Linux is Broken.
>>> caver1
>>
>> I would love to see your argument as to why organization, attractive looks,
>> and lack-of-fracturing in the UI would be a bad thing that you would not
>> want... just seems absurd to me.
>>
>
>
> There are several of the Linux distros that have very good organization.
> Attractive looks? That's in the eye of the beholder. Personally I think
> that Mint is very attractive. Then again when I am Word processing I am
> just looking to get it done.
> Yes there are problems but they are improving at a rapid pace.
> So if you have problems with many of the distros pick one or a dozen and
> improve them instead of constantly trying to smear the whole Linux
> community because you don't like some of the distros.
> yes there are more distros then I will even want to try. But Its their
> right to try if they want to.
> caver1
>
You are moving goal posts. Before you stated that not everyone wants both
(a decent look and good organization)... now you are saying that it is in
the eye of the beholder (which I agree with - to some extent).

Then you jump back to the idea that if I want to have a distro with common
sense needs: reasoned organization, consistency, a decent look, etc., I
should do the distro dance and when that fails make my own or just improve
on others.

Sounds like you agree with me that, as is, Linux is not really ready for the
general desktop.


--
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is to try to please
everyone. -- Bill Cosby
 
"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
47fa177e$0$16692$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 5:45 AM:

>>> As I said it is still improving. Tell us where they are lacking.
>>> caver1
>>
>> From past posts:
>>
>> PCLOS:
>>
>> Poorly done menus
>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS-menu.pdf>
>>
>> Poorly done dialogs:
>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.pdf>
>>
>> Poorly done and Inconsistent dialogs:
>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS2.pdf>
>>
>> Mouse pointers that do not do as they say:
>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.mov>
>
> personally I don't like PcLinuxOS. But it is very popular.

Lovely but irrelevant.

>
>> Even Ubuntu has its share of quirks - though it is clearly done much better:
>>
>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ubuntu-menu.pdf>
>
> Okay you have to go to file to quit.

For some programs, sure... for others you have to go to File to Exit... and
for others you have to "close window" and for others you do not even go to
File... and what is the hot key to terminate... a bit of a mess, eh?

>> And the more recent one showing copy and paste oddities and weird text
>> behavior on selection:
>>
>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/copy-paste.mov>
>
> Load glipper problem solved.

So it is not ready as is. And what is "glibber"? I am not familiar with it

>> It is not like such examples are hard to find - or are not obvious. How
>> could anyone who has used Linux and either Windows or OS X not have such
>> things be apparent to them - especially someone who considers themselves
>> knowledgeable about computers?



--
Never stand between a dog and the hydrant. - John Peers
 
Snit wrote:
> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
> 47fa195d$0$16691$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 5:53 AM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>>> 47f9487a$0$16662$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/6/08 3:02 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not everyone wants both.
>>>>>>>>> caver1
>>>>>>>> Uh oh. Another crazy who doesn't actually realise what's being
>>>>>>>> suggested.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Firstly we dont necessrily care about "everyone" - only the GREAT
>>>>>>>> majority. Secondly I am hard pressed to think of ANYONE who would not
>>>>>>>> want a better organized distro with a less fractured UI.
>>>>>>> COLA Linux Advocates. :)
>>>>>> The mind boggles as to "caver1"s mindset where he thinks it better to
>>>>>> keep a broken, fractured distro because a minority "might" want
>>>>>> it. Huh?!?!?!? I mean, I have heard some stupid things in my life but
>>>>>> this kind of mental thought process leaves me wondering just who these
>>>>>> people are.
>>>>> The debate is not even about *how* to organize... just *if* it is better to
>>>>> be organized in a distro, or have well done organization.
>>>> Okay Hardon tell me where Linux is Broken.
>>>> caver1
>>> I would love to see your argument as to why organization, attractive looks,
>>> and lack-of-fracturing in the UI would be a bad thing that you would not
>>> want... just seems absurd to me.
>>>
>>
>> There are several of the Linux distros that have very good organization.
>> Attractive looks? That's in the eye of the beholder. Personally I think
>> that Mint is very attractive. Then again when I am Word processing I am
>> just looking to get it done.
>> Yes there are problems but they are improving at a rapid pace.
>> So if you have problems with many of the distros pick one or a dozen and
>> improve them instead of constantly trying to smear the whole Linux
>> community because you don't like some of the distros.
>> yes there are more distros then I will even want to try. But Its their
>> right to try if they want to.
>> caver1
>>
> You are moving goal posts. Before you stated that not everyone wants both
> (a decent look and good organization)... now you are saying that it is in
> the eye of the beholder (which I agree with - to some extent).
>
> Then you jump back to the idea that if I want to have a distro with common
> sense needs: reasoned organization, consistency, a decent look, etc., I
> should do the distro dance and when that fails make my own or just improve
> on others.
>
> Sounds like you agree with me that, as is, Linux is not really ready for the
> general desktop.
>
>


My reply was to Hadron. Yes I believe that some of the distros are ready
for the desktop. That's why I am using Linux.
No goal posts moved. Not everyone wants the looks of Ubuntu. Some hate
it. I think Ubuntu has a good organization, some such as you think not.
And yes looks is in the eye of the beholder.
Your wants are different than someone else's. If you want to do the
dance that's your prerogative. I did not tell you to do it.
If you like whatever distro then use that one, help that one. But don't
complain about Linux in general because you don't like some of the
distros.
Or as you stated above- "I should do the distro dance and when that
fails make my own or just improve on others."
Yes help improve and quit complaining that someone else wants to build
their own to satisfy their needs. You don't have to use theirs so why
complain.
Not everyone agree on what common sense is and from the looks of it I
don't think you use much.
caver1
 
Snit wrote:
> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
> 47fa177e$0$16692$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 5:45 AM:
>
>>>> As I said it is still improving. Tell us where they are lacking.
>>>> caver1
>>> From past posts:
>>>
>>> PCLOS:
>>>
>>> Poorly done menus
>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS-menu.pdf>
>>>
>>> Poorly done dialogs:
>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.pdf>
>>>
>>> Poorly done and Inconsistent dialogs:
>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS2.pdf>
>>>
>>> Mouse pointers that do not do as they say:
>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.mov>
>> personally I don't like PcLinuxOS. But it is very popular.
>
> Lovely but irrelevant.



Why irrelevant? You brought that distro up in an Ubuntu group.


>>> Even Ubuntu has its share of quirks - though it is clearly done much better:
>>>
>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ubuntu-menu.pdf>
>>
>> Okay you have to go to file to quit.


> For some programs, sure... for others you have to go to File to Exit... and
> for others you have to "close window" and for others you do not even go to
> File... and what is the hot key to terminate... a bit of a mess, eh?
>
>>> And the more recent one showing copy and paste oddities and weird text
>>> behavior on selection:
>>>
>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/copy-paste.mov>
>> Load glipper problem solved.
>
> So it is not ready as is. And what is "glibber"? I am not familiar with it



For one it is glipper not glibber. It is a clipboard. look it up. And
before you say why should I have to load a clipboard in Linux to use it.
The clipboard that comes with windows is not that great either so if you
want more functionality you have to load a third party clipboard of
which there are many. I personally like Clipmate.


>>> It is not like such examples are hard to find - or are not obvious. How
>>> could anyone who has used Linux and either Windows or OS X not have such
>>> things be apparent to them - especially someone who considers themselves
>>> knowledgeable about computers?
>
>
>


They are apparent. But how long are you going to cry to mama because you
stubbed your toe?
caver1
 
"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
47fa3610$0$12568$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 7:56 AM:

> Snit wrote:
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>> 47fa195d$0$16691$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 5:53 AM:
>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>>>> 47f9487a$0$16662$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/6/08 3:02 PM:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone wants both.
>>>>>>>>>> caver1
>>>>>>>>> Uh oh. Another crazy who doesn't actually realise what's being
>>>>>>>>> suggested.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Firstly we dont necessrily care about "everyone" - only the GREAT
>>>>>>>>> majority. Secondly I am hard pressed to think of ANYONE who would not
>>>>>>>>> want a better organized distro with a less fractured UI.
>>>>>>>> COLA Linux Advocates. :)
>>>>>>> The mind boggles as to "caver1"s mindset where he thinks it better to
>>>>>>> keep a broken, fractured distro because a minority "might" want
>>>>>>> it. Huh?!?!?!? I mean, I have heard some stupid things in my life but
>>>>>>> this kind of mental thought process leaves me wondering just who these
>>>>>>> people are.
>>>>>> The debate is not even about *how* to organize... just *if* it is better
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be organized in a distro, or have well done organization.
>>>>> Okay Hardon tell me where Linux is Broken.
>>>>> caver1
>>>> I would love to see your argument as to why organization, attractive looks,
>>>> and lack-of-fracturing in the UI would be a bad thing that you would not
>>>> want... just seems absurd to me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are several of the Linux distros that have very good organization.
>>> Attractive looks? That's in the eye of the beholder. Personally I think
>>> that Mint is very attractive. Then again when I am Word processing I am
>>> just looking to get it done.
>>> Yes there are problems but they are improving at a rapid pace.
>>> So if you have problems with many of the distros pick one or a dozen and
>>> improve them instead of constantly trying to smear the whole Linux
>>> community because you don't like some of the distros.
>>> yes there are more distros then I will even want to try. But Its their
>>> right to try if they want to.
>>> caver1
>>>
>> You are moving goal posts. Before you stated that not everyone wants both
>> (a decent look and good organization)... now you are saying that it is in
>> the eye of the beholder (which I agree with - to some extent).
>>
>> Then you jump back to the idea that if I want to have a distro with common
>> sense needs: reasoned organization, consistency, a decent look, etc., I
>> should do the distro dance and when that fails make my own or just improve
>> on others.
>>
>> Sounds like you agree with me that, as is, Linux is not really ready for the
>> general desktop.
>>
>>
>
>
> My reply was to Hadron.

Correct.

> Yes I believe that some of the distros are ready
> for the desktop. That's why I am using Linux.

And yet you claim that in order to get Linux to have good looks,
consistency, well thought out organization, etc., I need to make my own
distro or alter one.

> No goal posts moved. Not everyone wants the looks of Ubuntu. Some hate
> it. I think Ubuntu has a good organization, some such as you think not.
> And yes looks is in the eye of the beholder.
> Your wants are different than someone else's. If you want to do the
> dance that's your prerogative. I did not tell you to do it.
> If you like whatever distro then use that one, help that one. But don't
> complain about Linux in general because you don't like some of the
> distros.

The problem is throughout the distros - not tied to one.

> Or as you stated above- "I should do the distro dance and when that
> fails make my own or just improve on others."
> Yes help improve and quit complaining that someone else wants to build
> their own to satisfy their needs. You don't have to use theirs so why
> complain.
> Not everyone agree on what common sense is and from the looks of it I
> don't think you use much.


It is common sense to want general consistency, well thought out
organization, and a decent look designed by a pro.


--
When thinking changes your mind, that's philosophy.
When God changes your mind, that's faith.
When facts change your mind, that's science.
 
"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
47fa380c$0$12559$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 8:04 AM:

> Snit wrote:
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>> 47fa177e$0$16692$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 5:45 AM:
>>
>>>>> As I said it is still improving. Tell us where they are lacking.
>>>>> caver1
>>>> From past posts:
>>>>
>>>> PCLOS:
>>>>
>>>> Poorly done menus
>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS-menu.pdf>
>>>>
>>>> Poorly done dialogs:
>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.pdf>
>>>>
>>>> Poorly done and Inconsistent dialogs:
>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS2.pdf>
>>>>
>>>> Mouse pointers that do not do as they say:
>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.mov>
>>> personally I don't like PcLinuxOS. But it is very popular.
>>
>> Lovely but irrelevant.
>
>
>
> Why irrelevant? You brought that distro up in an Ubuntu group.

You asked where *distros* were lacking... and I had been talking about PCLOS
and Ubuntu. I answered.

>>>> Even Ubuntu has its share of quirks - though it is clearly done much
>>>> better:
>>>>
>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ubuntu-menu.pdf>
>>>
>>> Okay you have to go to file to quit.
>
>
>> For some programs, sure... for others you have to go to File to Exit... and
>> for others you have to "close window" and for others you do not even go to
>> File... and what is the hot key to terminate... a bit of a mess, eh?
>>
>>>> And the more recent one showing copy and paste oddities and weird text
>>>> behavior on selection:
>>>>
>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/copy-paste.mov>
>>> Load glipper problem solved.
>>
>> So it is not ready as is. And what is "glibber"? I am not familiar with it
>
>
>
> For one it is glipper not glibber.

My mistake. Sorry.

> It is a clipboard. look it up. And
> before you say why should I have to load a clipboard in Linux to use it.
> The clipboard that comes with windows is not that great either so if you
> want more functionality you have to load a third party clipboard of
> which there are many. I personally like Clipmate.

I have not even mentioned Windows and do not use it (generally - I do for
some purposes). But it does have a clipboard that works better than what I
show in the movie on Ubuntu!

>>>> It is not like such examples are hard to find - or are not obvious. How
>>>> could anyone who has used Linux and either Windows or OS X not have such
>>>> things be apparent to them - especially someone who considers themselves
>>>> knowledgeable about computers?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> They are apparent. But how long are you going to cry to mama because you
> stubbed your toe?
> caver1

Er? Not sure what you are getting at.

--
"The music is not inside the piano." - Alan Kay
 
"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> stated in post
fuekv35b52fleorkpqkg3eu3jj05ag4g3u@4ax.com on 4/7/08 8:20 AM:

> caver1 wrote:
>
>> Snit wrote:

>>> My reply was to Hadron.
>>>
>> Correct.
>>
>>> Yes I believe that some of the distros are ready for the desktop. That's why
>>> I am using Linux.
>>>
>> And yet you claim that in order to get Linux to have good looks, consistency,
>> well thought out organization, etc., I need to make my own distro or alter
>> one.
>>
>>> No goal posts moved. Not everyone wants the looks of Ubuntu. Some hate it. I
>>> think Ubuntu has a good organization, some such as you think not. And yes
>>> looks is in the eye of the beholder. Your wants are different than someone
>>> else's. If you want to do the dance that's your prerogative. I did not tell
>>> you to do it. If you like whatever distro then use that one, help that one.
>>> But don't complain about Linux in general because you don't like some of the
>>> distros.
>>>
>> The problem is throughout the distros - not tied to one.
>>
>>> Or as you stated above- "I should do the distro dance and when that fails
>>> make my own or just improve on others." Yes help improve and quit
>>> complaining that someone else wants to build their own to satisfy their
>>> needs. You don't have to use theirs so why complain. Not everyone agree on
>>> what common sense is and from the looks of it I don't think you use much.
>>>
>>
>> It is common sense to want general consistency, well thought out
>> organization, and a decent look designed by a pro.
>
> *plonk*
>
A shame you could not answer the questions and otherwise respond in a
reasoned way. Maybe later?


--
"If a million people believe a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."
- Anatole France
 
Snit wrote:
> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
> 47fa3610$0$12568$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 7:56 AM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>>> 47fa195d$0$16691$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 5:53 AM:
>>>
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>>>>> 47f9487a$0$16662$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/6/08 3:02 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not everyone wants both.
>>>>>>>>>>> caver1
>>>>>>>>>> Uh oh. Another crazy who doesn't actually realise what's being
>>>>>>>>>> suggested.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Firstly we dont necessrily care about "everyone" - only the GREAT
>>>>>>>>>> majority. Secondly I am hard pressed to think of ANYONE who would not
>>>>>>>>>> want a better organized distro with a less fractured UI.
>>>>>>>>> COLA Linux Advocates. :)
>>>>>>>> The mind boggles as to "caver1"s mindset where he thinks it better to
>>>>>>>> keep a broken, fractured distro because a minority "might" want
>>>>>>>> it. Huh?!?!?!? I mean, I have heard some stupid things in my life but
>>>>>>>> this kind of mental thought process leaves me wondering just who these
>>>>>>>> people are.
>>>>>>> The debate is not even about *how* to organize... just *if* it is better
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be organized in a distro, or have well done organization.
>>>>>> Okay Hardon tell me where Linux is Broken.
>>>>>> caver1
>>>>> I would love to see your argument as to why organization, attractive looks,
>>>>> and lack-of-fracturing in the UI would be a bad thing that you would not
>>>>> want... just seems absurd to me.
>>>>>
>>>> There are several of the Linux distros that have very good organization.
>>>> Attractive looks? That's in the eye of the beholder. Personally I think
>>>> that Mint is very attractive. Then again when I am Word processing I am
>>>> just looking to get it done.
>>>> Yes there are problems but they are improving at a rapid pace.
>>>> So if you have problems with many of the distros pick one or a dozen and
>>>> improve them instead of constantly trying to smear the whole Linux
>>>> community because you don't like some of the distros.
>>>> yes there are more distros then I will even want to try. But Its their
>>>> right to try if they want to.
>>>> caver1
>>>>
>>> You are moving goal posts. Before you stated that not everyone wants both
>>> (a decent look and good organization)... now you are saying that it is in
>>> the eye of the beholder (which I agree with - to some extent).
>>>
>>> Then you jump back to the idea that if I want to have a distro with common
>>> sense needs: reasoned organization, consistency, a decent look, etc., I
>>> should do the distro dance and when that fails make my own or just improve
>>> on others.
>>>
>>> Sounds like you agree with me that, as is, Linux is not really ready for the
>>> general desktop.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> My reply was to Hadron.
>
> Correct.
>
>> Yes I believe that some of the distros are ready
>> for the desktop. That's why I am using Linux.
>
> And yet you claim that in order to get Linux to have good looks,
> consistency, well thought out organization, etc., I need to make my own
> distro or alter one.



If your so stupid you can't think for yourself.


>> No goal posts moved. Not everyone wants the looks of Ubuntu. Some hate
>> it. I think Ubuntu has a good organization, some such as you think not.
>> And yes looks is in the eye of the beholder.
>> Your wants are different than someone else's. If you want to do the
>> dance that's your prerogative. I did not tell you to do it.
>> If you like whatever distro then use that one, help that one. But don't
>> complain about Linux in general because you don't like some of the
>> distros.
>
> The problem is throughout the distros - not tied to one.


Then if you hate it so much why are you here?




>> Or as you stated above- "I should do the distro dance and when that
>> fails make my own or just improve on others."
>> Yes help improve and quit complaining that someone else wants to build
>> their own to satisfy their needs. You don't have to use theirs so why
>> complain.
>> Not everyone agree on what common sense is and from the looks of it I
>> don't think you use much.
>

> It is common sense to want general consistency, well thought out
> organization, and a decent look designed by a pro.
>


True, and there is general consistency within the distros that I have
tried. Not perfect but improving all the time. Personally I like the
look of several of them. Or you can even change it yourself. Or have
someone else do it for you.
Even my Mom told me to quit coming crying to her if I couldn't learn to
not do what was hurting me. And that was from a pro. If you don't like
a distro don't use it.
If someone else put something out there it is out of the kindness of
his/her heart hoping someone else out there likes it or can get benefit
out of it. No one holds a gun to your head forcing you to use it.
caver1
 
Snit wrote:
> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
> 47fa380c$0$12559$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 8:04 AM:
>
>> Snit wrote:
>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>>> 47fa177e$0$16692$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 5:45 AM:
>>>
>>>>>> As I said it is still improving. Tell us where they are lacking.
>>>>>> caver1
>>>>> From past posts:
>>>>>
>>>>> PCLOS:
>>>>>
>>>>> Poorly done menus
>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS-menu.pdf>
>>>>>
>>>>> Poorly done dialogs:
>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.pdf>
>>>>>
>>>>> Poorly done and Inconsistent dialogs:
>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS2.pdf>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mouse pointers that do not do as they say:
>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.mov>
>>>> personally I don't like PcLinuxOS. But it is very popular.
>>> Lovely but irrelevant.
>>
>>
>> Why irrelevant? You brought that distro up in an Ubuntu group.
>
> You asked where *distros* were lacking... and I had been talking about PCLOS
> and Ubuntu. I answered.


So if you don't like it it is relevant but if some disagrees with you it
isn't? So you don't like that. If its a big enough hurdle that you can't
get over it move away from it or find some other way around it.

>>>>> Even Ubuntu has its share of quirks - though it is clearly done much
>>>>> better:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ubuntu-menu.pdf>
>>>>
>>>> Okay you have to go to file to quit.
>>
>>> For some programs, sure... for others you have to go to File to Exit... and
>>> for others you have to "close window" and for others you do not even go to
>>> File... and what is the hot key to terminate... a bit of a mess, eh?
>>>
>>>>> And the more recent one showing copy and paste oddities and weird text
>>>>> behavior on selection:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/copy-paste.mov>
>>>> Load glipper problem solved.
>>> So it is not ready as is. And what is "glibber"? I am not familiar with it
>>
>>
>> For one it is glipper not glibber.
>
> My mistake. Sorry.
>
>> It is a clipboard. look it up. And
>> before you say why should I have to load a clipboard in Linux to use it.
>> The clipboard that comes with windows is not that great either so if you
>> want more functionality you have to load a third party clipboard of
>> which there are many. I personally like Clipmate.
>
> I have not even mentioned Windows and do not use it (generally - I do for
> some purposes). But it does have a clipboard that works better than what I
> show in the movie on Ubuntu!



My point was even in your perfect windows word people find things that
work much better and use them.

>>>>> It is not like such examples are hard to find - or are not obvious. How
>>>>> could anyone who has used Linux and either Windows or OS X not have such
>>>>> things be apparent to them - especially someone who considers themselves
>>>>> knowledgeable about computers?
>>>


If I let things like that stop me instesd of trying to find ways to
improve them for myself then I would have never gotten past DOS let
alone Windows.



>>
>> They are apparent. But how long are you going to cry to mama because you
>> stubbed your toe?
>> caver1
>
> Er? Not sure what you are getting at.
>



Instead of crying all the time do something to improve whatever it is.
goodbye
caver1
 
"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
47fa539f$0$11318$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 10:02 AM:

> Snit wrote:
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>> 47fa380c$0$12559$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 8:04 AM:
>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>>>> 47fa177e$0$16692$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 5:45 AM:
>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said it is still improving. Tell us where they are lacking.
>>>>>>> caver1
>>>>>> From past posts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PCLOS:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Poorly done menus
>>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS-menu.pdf>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Poorly done dialogs:
>>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.pdf>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Poorly done and Inconsistent dialogs:
>>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS2.pdf>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mouse pointers that do not do as they say:
>>>>>> <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.mov>
>>>>> personally I don't like PcLinuxOS. But it is very popular.
>>>> Lovely but irrelevant.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why irrelevant? You brought that distro up in an Ubuntu group.
>>
>> You asked where *distros* were lacking... and I had been talking about PCLOS
>> and Ubuntu. I answered.
>
> So if you don't like it it is relevant but if some disagrees with you it
> isn't? So you don't like that. If its a big enough hurdle that you can't
> get over it move away from it or find some other way around it.

Likes and dislikes are not the issue. Not sure where you got that from. I
am talking about inconsistencies and specific problems with desktop Linux
distros.

....
>>> It is a clipboard. look it up. And
>>> before you say why should I have to load a clipboard in Linux to use it.
>>> The clipboard that comes with windows is not that great either so if you
>>> want more functionality you have to load a third party clipboard of
>>> which there are many. I personally like Clipmate.
>>
>> I have not even mentioned Windows and do not use it (generally - I do for
>> some purposes). But it does have a clipboard that works better than what I
>> show in the movie on Ubuntu!
>
> My point was even in your perfect windows word people find things that
> work much better and use them.

Not sure what you mean by "perfect windows word"... maybe "perfect Windows
world"? If so I assure you I certainly do not feel that way... while I use
Windows it is not my primary desktop environment (I only have it installed
in a virtual machine). And, again, I have no problem with the idea of
people being able to replace the standard clipboard with a better (or even
just different) one - my concern is the fact that the standard one *clearly*
does not work as it should.

Do you understand the difference?

>>>>>> It is not like such examples are hard to find - or are not obvious. How
>>>>>> could anyone who has used Linux and either Windows or OS X not have such
>>>>>> things be apparent to them - especially someone who considers themselves
>>>>>> knowledgeable about computers?
>
> If I let things like that stop me instesd of trying to find ways to
> improve them for myself then I would have never gotten past DOS let
> alone Windows.

Stop you? Again, not sure what you mean... who is stopped from doing what?

>>> They are apparent. But how long are you going to cry to mama because you
>>> stubbed your toe?
>>> caver1
>>
>> Er? Not sure what you are getting at.
>
> Instead of crying all the time do something to improve whatever it is.

Well, getting people in the Linux community to not be in denial is a good
first step.

> goodbye

good bye.


--
"The music is not inside the piano." - Alan Kay
 
"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
47fa51bd$0$11299$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 9:54 AM:

>>> My reply was to Hadron.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>>> Yes I believe that some of the distros are ready
>>> for the desktop. That's why I am using Linux.
>>
>> And yet you claim that in order to get Linux to have good looks,
>> consistency, well thought out organization, etc., I need to make my own
>> distro or alter one.
>
> If your so stupid you can't think for yourself.

I am not... nor am I interested in off-topic insults. If that is what you
are looking for I suggest you speak with someone else.

>>> No goal posts moved. Not everyone wants the looks of Ubuntu. Some hate
>>> it. I think Ubuntu has a good organization, some such as you think not.
>>> And yes looks is in the eye of the beholder.
>>> Your wants are different than someone else's. If you want to do the
>>> dance that's your prerogative. I did not tell you to do it.
>>> If you like whatever distro then use that one, help that one. But don't
>>> complain about Linux in general because you don't like some of the
>>> distros.
>>
>> The problem is throughout the distros - not tied to one.
>
> Then if you hate it so much why are you here?

Hate? Hate what? Again you seem lost. Of the Linux distros I prefer
Ubuntu - while PCLOS and others are better organized and have a far more
professional look, Ubuntu is the distro that is most focused on consistency
and general user issues. I think it has done more good for Linux than any
other distro in a long time.

>>> Or as you stated above- "I should do the distro dance and when that
>>> fails make my own or just improve on others."
>>> Yes help improve and quit complaining that someone else wants to build
>>> their own to satisfy their needs. You don't have to use theirs so why
>>> complain.
>>> Not everyone agree on what common sense is and from the looks of it I
>>> don't think you use much.
>>
>
>> It is common sense to want general consistency, well thought out
>> organization, and a decent look designed by a pro.
>
> True, and there is general consistency within the distros that I have
> tried.

I have shown you where both PCLOS and Ubuntu are far off that mark (though
Ubuntu at least makes an attempt!)

> Not perfect but improving all the time.

Agreed.

> Personally I like the
> look of several of them. Or you can even change it yourself. Or have
> someone else do it for you.
> Even my Mom told me to quit coming crying to her if I couldn't learn to
> not do what was hurting me. And that was from a pro. If you don't like
> a distro don't use it.

Who said anything about liking or disliking? And why talk about your mom?

> If someone else put something out there it is out of the kindness of
> his/her heart hoping someone else out there likes it or can get benefit
> out of it. No one holds a gun to your head forcing you to use it.

Of course not. You sure go off topic a lot.

--
When thinking changes your mind, that's philosophy.
When God changes your mind, that's faith.
When facts change your mind, that's science.
 
Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:

> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
> 47fa51bd$0$11299$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 9:54 AM:
>
>>>> My reply was to Hadron.
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>>> Yes I believe that some of the distros are ready
>>>> for the desktop. That's why I am using Linux.
>>>
>>> And yet you claim that in order to get Linux to have good looks,
>>> consistency, well thought out organization, etc., I need to make my own
>>> distro or alter one.
>>
>> If your so stupid you can't think for yourself.
>
> I am not... nor am I interested in off-topic insults. If that is what you
> are looking for I suggest you speak with someone else.

I didn't think it would take caver1 long for his obvious ignorance about
what is being discussed to convert itself into personal attacks.

>
>>>> No goal posts moved. Not everyone wants the looks of Ubuntu. Some hate
>>>> it. I think Ubuntu has a good organization, some such as you think not.
>>>> And yes looks is in the eye of the beholder.
>>>> Your wants are different than someone else's. If you want to do the
>>>> dance that's your prerogative. I did not tell you to do it.
>>>> If you like whatever distro then use that one, help that one. But don't
>>>> complain about Linux in general because you don't like some of the
>>>> distros.
>>>
>>> The problem is throughout the distros - not tied to one.
>>
>> Then if you hate it so much why are you here?

Sigh. It's like Rick all over again.

>
> Hate? Hate what? Again you seem lost. Of the Linux distros I prefer
> Ubuntu - while PCLOS and others are better organized and have a far more
> professional look, Ubuntu is the distro that is most focused on consistency
> and general user issues. I think it has done more good for Linux than any
> other distro in a long time.

Sad isn't it? He sees constructive criticism and a desire to see things
improve as "hatred". What is wrong with these COLA "advocates"?

>
>>>> Or as you stated above- "I should do the distro dance and when that
>>>> fails make my own or just improve on others."
>>>> Yes help improve and quit complaining that someone else wants to build
>>>> their own to satisfy their needs. You don't have to use theirs so why
>>>> complain.
>>>> Not everyone agree on what common sense is and from the looks of it I
>>>> don't think you use much.
>>>
>>
>>> It is common sense to want general consistency, well thought out
>>> organization, and a decent look designed by a pro.
>>
>> True, and there is general consistency within the distros that I have
>> tried.

LOL. Blind as well as in denial.

>
> I have shown you where both PCLOS and Ubuntu are far off that mark (though
> Ubuntu at least makes an attempt!)
>
>> Not perfect but improving all the time.
>
> Agreed.
>
>> Personally I like the
>> look of several of them. Or you can even change it yourself. Or have
>> someone else do it for you.
>> Even my Mom told me to quit coming crying to her if I couldn't learn to
>> not do what was hurting me. And that was from a pro. If you don't like
>> a distro don't use it.

Your Mum is a pro? Whatever that means.

>
> Who said anything about liking or disliking? And why talk about your
> mom?

Strange isn't it?

>
>> If someone else put something out there it is out of the kindness of
>> his/her heart hoping someone else out there likes it or can get benefit
>> out of it. No one holds a gun to your head forcing you to use it.

Whoever said you did? The point is whether its a good idea to release
more garbage "out of the kindness of your heart". If I allowed a dog to
do its "doggy things" on your doorstep out of the "kindness of my
heart" would you be grateful?

>
> Of course not. You sure go off topic a lot.

I'm not sure he understands what the message is here. I think Rick might
have got it earlier than caver1.

--
"I program Windows systems yes. But I am not a Windows user."
Peter Koehlmann, COLA.
 
"Hadron" <hadronquark@googlemail.com> stated in post
ftdlad$eg0$2@registered.motzarella.org on 4/7/08 10:23 AM:

> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>> 47fa51bd$0$11299$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 9:54 AM:
>>
>>>>> My reply was to Hadron.
>>>>
>>>> Correct.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes I believe that some of the distros are ready
>>>>> for the desktop. That's why I am using Linux.
>>>>
>>>> And yet you claim that in order to get Linux to have good looks,
>>>> consistency, well thought out organization, etc., I need to make my own
>>>> distro or alter one.
>>>
>>> If your so stupid you can't think for yourself.
>>
>> I am not... nor am I interested in off-topic insults. If that is what you
>> are looking for I suggest you speak with someone else.
>
> I didn't think it would take caver1 long for his obvious ignorance about
> what is being discussed to convert itself into personal attacks.

Sadly you seem to be correct.

>>>>> No goal posts moved. Not everyone wants the looks of Ubuntu. Some hate
>>>>> it. I think Ubuntu has a good organization, some such as you think not.
>>>>> And yes looks is in the eye of the beholder.
>>>>> Your wants are different than someone else's. If you want to do the
>>>>> dance that's your prerogative. I did not tell you to do it.
>>>>> If you like whatever distro then use that one, help that one. But don't
>>>>> complain about Linux in general because you don't like some of the
>>>>> distros.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is throughout the distros - not tied to one.
>>>
>>> Then if you hate it so much why are you here?
>
> Sigh. It's like Rick all over again.

Well, I think Rick was even less coherent. :)

>> Hate? Hate what? Again you seem lost. Of the Linux distros I prefer
>> Ubuntu - while PCLOS and others are better organized and have a far more
>> professional look, Ubuntu is the distro that is most focused on consistency
>> and general user issues. I think it has done more good for Linux than any
>> other distro in a long time.
>
> Sad isn't it? He sees constructive criticism and a desire to see things
> improve as "hatred". What is wrong with these COLA "advocates"?

Do you want the alphabetical or chronological list? :)

>>>>> Or as you stated above- "I should do the distro dance and when that
>>>>> fails make my own or just improve on others."
>>>>> Yes help improve and quit complaining that someone else wants to build
>>>>> their own to satisfy their needs. You don't have to use theirs so why
>>>>> complain.
>>>>> Not everyone agree on what common sense is and from the looks of it I
>>>>> don't think you use much.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> It is common sense to want general consistency, well thought out
>>>> organization, and a decent look designed by a pro.
>>>
>>> True, and there is general consistency within the distros that I have
>>> tried.
>
> LOL. Blind as well as in denial.

Images and videos are not strong enough support. :)

>> I have shown you where both PCLOS and Ubuntu are far off that mark (though
>> Ubuntu at least makes an attempt!)
>>
>>> Not perfect but improving all the time.
>>
>> Agreed.
>>
>>> Personally I like the
>>> look of several of them. Or you can even change it yourself. Or have
>>> someone else do it for you.
>>> Even my Mom told me to quit coming crying to her if I couldn't learn to
>>> not do what was hurting me. And that was from a pro. If you don't like
>>> a distro don't use it.
>
> Your Mum is a pro? Whatever that means.
>
>>
>> Who said anything about liking or disliking? And why talk about your
>> mom?
>
> Strange isn't it?

Very.

>>> If someone else put something out there it is out of the kindness of
>>> his/her heart hoping someone else out there likes it or can get benefit
>>> out of it. No one holds a gun to your head forcing you to use it.
>
> Whoever said you did? The point is whether its a good idea to release
> more garbage "out of the kindness of your heart". If I allowed a dog to
> do its "doggy things" on your doorstep out of the "kindness of my
> heart" would you be grateful?
>
>>
>> Of course not. You sure go off topic a lot.
>
> I'm not sure he understands what the message is here. I think Rick might
> have got it earlier than caver1.

Not sure about that!

--
"For example, user interfaces are _usually_ better in commercial software.
I'm not saying that this is always true, but in many cases the user
interface to a program is the most important part for a commercial
company..." Linus Torvalds <http://www.tlug.jp/docs/linus.html>
 
Hadron wrote:
> Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> writes:
>
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>> 47fa51bd$0$11299$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 9:54 AM:
>>
>>>>> My reply was to Hadron.
>>>> Correct.
>>>>
>>>>> Yes I believe that some of the distros are ready
>>>>> for the desktop. That's why I am using Linux.
>>>> And yet you claim that in order to get Linux to have good looks,
>>>> consistency, well thought out organization, etc., I need to make my own
>>>> distro or alter one.
>>> If your so stupid you can't think for yourself.
>> I am not... nor am I interested in off-topic insults. If that is what you
>> are looking for I suggest you speak with someone else.
>
> I didn't think it would take caver1 long for his obvious ignorance about
> what is being discussed to convert itself into personal attacks.
>
>>>>> No goal posts moved. Not everyone wants the looks of Ubuntu. Some hate
>>>>> it. I think Ubuntu has a good organization, some such as you think not.
>>>>> And yes looks is in the eye of the beholder.
>>>>> Your wants are different than someone else's. If you want to do the
>>>>> dance that's your prerogative. I did not tell you to do it.
>>>>> If you like whatever distro then use that one, help that one. But don't
>>>>> complain about Linux in general because you don't like some of the
>>>>> distros.
>>>> The problem is throughout the distros - not tied to one.
>>> Then if you hate it so much why are you here?
>
> Sigh. It's like Rick all over again.
>
>> Hate? Hate what? Again you seem lost. Of the Linux distros I prefer
>> Ubuntu - while PCLOS and others are better organized and have a far more
>> professional look, Ubuntu is the distro that is most focused on consistency
>> and general user issues. I think it has done more good for Linux than any
>> other distro in a long time.
>
> Sad isn't it? He sees constructive criticism and a desire to see things
> improve as "hatred". What is wrong with these COLA "advocates"?
>
>>
>>>>> Or as you stated above- "I should do the distro dance and when that
>>>>> fails make my own or just improve on others."
>>>>> Yes help improve and quit complaining that someone else wants to build
>>>>> their own to satisfy their needs. You don't have to use theirs so why
>>>>> complain.
>>>>> Not everyone agree on what common sense is and from the looks of it I
>>>>> don't think you use much.
>>>> It is common sense to want general consistency, well thought out
>>>> organization, and a decent look designed by a pro.
>>> True, and there is general consistency within the distros that I have
>>> tried.
>
> LOL. Blind as well as in denial.
>
>> I have shown you where both PCLOS and Ubuntu are far off that mark (though
>> Ubuntu at least makes an attempt!)
>>
>>> Not perfect but improving all the time.
>> Agreed.
>>
>>> Personally I like the
>>> look of several of them. Or you can even change it yourself. Or have
>>> someone else do it for you.
>>> Even my Mom told me to quit coming crying to her if I couldn't learn to
>>> not do what was hurting me. And that was from a pro. If you don't like
>>> a distro don't use it.
>
> Your Mum is a pro? Whatever that means.
>
>> Who said anything about liking or disliking? And why talk about your
>> mom?
>
> Strange isn't it?
>
>>> If someone else put something out there it is out of the kindness of
>>> his/her heart hoping someone else out there likes it or can get benefit
>>> out of it. No one holds a gun to your head forcing you to use it.
>
> Whoever said you did? The point is whether its a good idea to release
> more garbage "out of the kindness of your heart". If I allowed a dog to
> do its "doggy things" on your doorstep out of the "kindness of my
> heart" would you be grateful?
>
>> Of course not. You sure go off topic a lot.
>
> I'm not sure he understands what the message is here. I think Rick might
> have got it earlier than caver1.
>



Tell me where one of the duds that I don't even use hurts me. You
complain about someone making another Tetris game. So what? What does
that have to do with an OS. Yes there are a lot of Tetris games. But
there is also in other OS's.
As far as calling names I believe you started that long before I.
How many more car makes do we need? So then the Tesla shouldn't be made,
or maybe the Delorian? If they are not viable they will die out. But why
stop anyone from trying? Or should we get your approval before we do
anything. Maybe there should be a committee to decide who gets to have
kids. After all there sure are a lot of bad ones out there, ugly ones too.
And in your vein of keeping an argument befuddled, what does dogshit
have to do with this thread?
Lets say you are right Hadron. Who gets to decide whats in the program? You?
Seems to me there are a lot more here that disagree with you than not.
caver1
 
"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
47fa88c0$0$17328$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 1:49 PM:

....
>> I'm not sure he understands what the message is here. I think Rick might
>> have got it earlier than caver1.
>>
> Tell me where one of the duds that I don't even use hurts me.

Other than the fact that you find it hard to stay on topic or follow a
thought it is not really possible to know where you have been "hurt".

> You
> complain about someone making another Tetris game. So what? What does
> that have to do with an OS. Yes there are a lot of Tetris games. But
> there is also in other OS's.
> As far as calling names I believe you started that long before I.

You called me names. I certainly did not start that between you and I - nor
have I returned the "favor".

> How many more car makes do we need? So then the Tesla shouldn't be made,
> or maybe the Delorian? If they are not viable they will die out. But why
> stop anyone from trying? Or should we get your approval before we do
> anything. Maybe there should be a committee to decide who gets to have
> kids. After all there sure are a lot of bad ones out there, ugly ones too.
> And in your vein of keeping an argument befuddled, what does dogshit
> have to do with this thread?

See how you keep jumping to the idea of people being forced. Why?

> Lets say you are right Hadron. Who gets to decide whats in the program? You?
> Seems to me there are a lot more here that disagree with you than not.

You left the topic behind long ago. Why?


--
Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly
slow, inaccurate and brilliant together they are powerful beyond
imagination. - attributed to Albert Einstein, likely apocryphal
 
o you want the alphabetical or chronological list? :)
>
>>>>>> Or as you stated above- "I should do the distro dance and when that
>>>>>> fails make my own or just improve on others."
>>>>>> Yes help improve and quit complaining that someone else wants to build
>>>>>> their own to satisfy their needs. You don't have to use theirs so why
>>>>>> complain.
>>>>>> Not everyone agree on what common sense is and from the looks of it I
>>>>>> don't think you use much.
>>>>> It is common sense to want general consistency, well thought out
>>>>> organization, and a decent look designed by a pro.
>>>> True, and there is general consistency within the distros that I have
>>>> tried.
>> LOL. Blind as well as in denial.
>
> Images and videos are not strong enough support. :)
>


I can show you problems on machines that I have had that many others didn't.
I agreed that there was a better way to copy and paste. It also didn't
take me long to figure out not to close a program that I was copying
from until I had pasted. Then I went looking for an answer-glipper.
not perfect but better.
As far as the problems with PclinuxOs I can't address them as I don't
use it because I don't like it. But you don't here me badmouthing all of
Linux because of that. So you showed me something how do I know you
didn't doctor it to show what you want. As popular as PcLinuxOs is the
majority don't have that problem. And what does Dud Distro have to do
with that problem in PcLinuxOs?
Being that the improvements greatly out weigh most of the problems give
them praise. It will change as time continues.
caver1
 
Snit wrote:
> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
> 47fa88c0$0$17328$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 1:49 PM:
>
> ...
>>> I'm not sure he understands what the message is here. I think Rick might
>>> have got it earlier than caver1.
>>>
>> Tell me where one of the duds that I don't even use hurts me.
>
> Other than the fact that you find it hard to stay on topic or follow a
> thought it is not really possible to know where you have been "hurt".
>
>> You
>> complain about someone making another Tetris game. So what? What does
>> that have to do with an OS. Yes there are a lot of Tetris games. But
>> there is also in other OS's.
>> As far as calling names I believe you started that long before I.
>
> You called me names. I certainly did not start that between you and I - nor
> have I returned the "favor".



you really answered that one. You'd make a fine politician.



>> How many more car makes do we need? So then the Tesla shouldn't be made,
>> or maybe the Delorian? If they are not viable they will die out. But why
>> stop anyone from trying? Or should we get your approval before we do
>> anything. Maybe there should be a committee to decide who gets to have
>> kids. After all there sure are a lot of bad ones out there, ugly ones too.
>> And in your vein of keeping an argument befuddled, what does dogshit
>> have to do with this thread?
>
> See how you keep jumping to the idea of people being forced. Why?

Where did anyone say force in the above?



>> Lets say you are right Hadron. Who gets to decide whats in the program? You?
>> Seems to me there are a lot more here that disagree with you than not.
>
> You left the topic behind long ago. Why?
>
>


IN your esteemed mind just what is the topic that you jumped into?

caver1
 
"caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
47fa901e$0$17360$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 2:20 PM:

> Snit wrote:
>> "caver1" <caver1@inthemud.org> stated in post
>> 47fa88c0$0$17328$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on 4/7/08 1:49 PM:
>>
>> ...
>>>> I'm not sure he understands what the message is here. I think Rick might
>>>> have got it earlier than caver1.
>>>>
>>> Tell me where one of the duds that I don't even use hurts me.
>>
>> Other than the fact that you find it hard to stay on topic or follow a
>> thought it is not really possible to know where you have been "hurt".
>>
>>> You
>>> complain about someone making another Tetris game. So what? What does
>>> that have to do with an OS. Yes there are a lot of Tetris games. But
>>> there is also in other OS's.
>>> As far as calling names I believe you started that long before I.
>>
>> You called me names. I certainly did not start that between you and I - nor
>> have I returned the "favor".
>
> you really answered that one. You'd make a fine politician.

I noted that you have been calling me names and I have not sunk to your
level. That is truth. Deal with it and let it go - I prefer to talk about
Linux.

>>> How many more car makes do we need? So then the Tesla shouldn't be made,
>>> or maybe the Delorian? If they are not viable they will die out. But why
>>> stop anyone from trying? Or should we get your approval before we do
>>> anything. Maybe there should be a committee to decide who gets to have
>>> kids. After all there sure are a lot of bad ones out there, ugly ones too.
>>> And in your vein of keeping an argument befuddled, what does dogshit
>>> have to do with this thread?
>>
>> See how you keep jumping to the idea of people being forced. Why?
>
> Where did anyone say force in the above?

You talked about stopping people and about the need to get approval, etc.
Why?

>>> Lets say you are right Hadron. Who gets to decide whats in the program? You?
>>> Seems to me there are a lot more here that disagree with you than not.
>>
>> You left the topic behind long ago. Why?
>>
>>
>
>
> IN your esteemed mind just what is the topic that you jumped into?

You simply are not willing to talk about the weaknesses of desktop Linux.
Oh well.

--
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and
conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
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