Vista users, you got to at least try ubuntu

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <_wnRj.27205$YY2.2965@fe038.usenetserver.com>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org says...
>
>> Only in those shops where the techs are ignorant of everything not MS.
>
> No, not true again, and overly generalized on your part. Many of my own
> customers run a Linux and Windows solution for their servers because of
> licensing costs, but, each has a strength and a weakness.

So in order to disagree with me, you are now saying that Linux can "work
well" with MS OSs?

ROFL!

I'd forgotten how desperate you can get to find a way to disagree with me!

>> Hell, I have a mixed network at home, and my Ubuntu install kicks Vista
>> ass over the network, though XP is the clear champ at network speed.
>
> LOL, and I run Ubuntu and Fedora and Fedora is leaps ahead of Ubuntu for
> anything a serious user would want.

Do I see a case of distro-envy?

And haven't you figured out yet, that I'm anything but serious? )

> I run then with Vista and XP Prof as
> well as SBS 2003, Server 2003 and Server 2008 and two Linux servers for
> web apps and My SQL databases....

And your point is.... (other than the one on top of your head, that is!)

>> Hmmm. Seems to me that most people play their games on an XBox, a
>> Playstation, or a Wii. PC gaming, in general, has been in decline for
>> quite a while.
>>
>> And Ubuntu is getting much better at it.
>>
>> http://www.vgpro.com/article/5_killer_pc_games_playable_on_ub
>>
>> But gaming is not a main reason I prefer using Linux on a day-to-day
>> basis rather than Windows. The main reason I prefer Linux over Windows
>> is security. I have a "peace of mind" while surfing the web, that no
>> Windows user will ever have.
>>
>> Especially a Windows user that has a Symantec security product
>> installed! )
>
> I've been working with computers since the 70's and never had a single
> virus on a single computer that I control or maintain, not once, and I
> don't attribute that to the OS at all - but I do find that I enjoy games
> better on my Windows PC.

And you'd probably enjoy those same games on an XBox or a Playstation
even more.

PC gaming is the biggest elephant in the Linux room, but most people tend
to play their games on gaming platforms, and use their computers for
communications and information/content gathering.

A couple of years ago, I was the one that was saying that Linux isn't
ready for the average computer user, but the times there are 'achangin'!

And quite frankly, nothing could be better for Windows users than more
competition coming from the Linux side of the market. Imagine how good
MS has to make its OSs with the pressure of competition goading it own!

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In article <MPG.227fc33041882ea698975e@adfree.usenet.com>,
Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>
>Kurt, Ubuntu is not an alternative to vista any more than a transistor
>radio is an alternative to a Home Theater system.
>

More like a Ford F150 isn't an alternative to a Mini Cooper.
But I know which one I want if I have to move any data ^H^H^H^H furniture.

Centos is better than ubuntu anyway.
 
In article <hYnRj.27230$YY2.16368@fe038.usenetserver.com>,
kurttrail <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote:
>
>Nothing is 100% secure, and nothing will ever be 100% secure, as long as

A PC sitting on a pedestal in a lexan box in a room filled with
king cobras surrounded by a moat 12 feet wide and 12 feet deep enclosing
6 saltwater crocodiles and an electric eel surrounded by a 10 foot high
voltage electric razor wire fence guarded by 12 US Marines and 4 German
Sheperds. They have 24 hour close air cover and the perimeter is patrolled by
three Abrams tanks.

And the PC is *turned* *off*.
 
In article <amqRj.66687$jM2.16713@fe60.usenetserver.com>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
>
> > In article <_wnRj.27205$YY2.2965@fe038.usenetserver.com>,
> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org says...
> >
> >> Only in those shops where the techs are ignorant of everything not MS.
> >
> > No, not true again, and overly generalized on your part. Many of my own
> > customers run a Linux and Windows solution for their servers because of
> > licensing costs, but, each has a strength and a weakness.
>
> So in order to disagree with me, you are now saying that Linux can "work
> well" with MS OSs?
>
> ROFL!
>
> I'd forgotten how desperate you can get to find a way to disagree with me!

No, I didn't say that, you made that up to help your failed position.

I said that some Linux solutions can be setup to work well with Windows,
but you already know that - you made a overly broad statement, it's not
true in that scope. My statement limited the scope and is correct as
posted.

> >> Hell, I have a mixed network at home, and my Ubuntu install kicks Vista
> >> ass over the network, though XP is the clear champ at network speed.
> >
> > LOL, and I run Ubuntu and Fedora and Fedora is leaps ahead of Ubuntu for
> > anything a serious user would want.
>
> Do I see a case of distro-envy?
>
> And haven't you figured out yet, that I'm anything but serious? )

Envy? Why, because I happen to use different distro's based on the
clients needs? I see Ubuntu was the perfect OS platform for the people
that don't do more than surf and play on the web, Fedora for the serious
worker/small business.

> > I run then with Vista and XP Prof as
> > well as SBS 2003, Server 2003 and Server 2008 and two Linux servers for
> > web apps and My SQL databases....
>
> And your point is.... (other than the one on top of your head, that is!)
>
> >> Hmmm. Seems to me that most people play their games on an XBox, a
> >> Playstation, or a Wii. PC gaming, in general, has been in decline for
> >> quite a while.
> >>
> >> And Ubuntu is getting much better at it.
> >>
> >> http://www.vgpro.com/article/5_killer_pc_games_playable_on_ub
> >>
> >> But gaming is not a main reason I prefer using Linux on a day-to-day
> >> basis rather than Windows. The main reason I prefer Linux over Windows
> >> is security. I have a "peace of mind" while surfing the web, that no
> >> Windows user will ever have.
> >>
> >> Especially a Windows user that has a Symantec security product
> >> installed! )
> >
> > I've been working with computers since the 70's and never had a single
> > virus on a single computer that I control or maintain, not once, and I
> > don't attribute that to the OS at all - but I do find that I enjoy games
> > better on my Windows PC.
>
> And you'd probably enjoy those same games on an XBox or a Playstation
> even more.

Nope, don't own a game box of any type - just computers.

> PC gaming is the biggest elephant in the Linux room, but most people tend
> to play their games on gaming platforms, and use their computers for
> communications and information/content gathering.

Every PC user I know has a PC for playing games and working also,
depending on what they call work, no single person I know has two
computers, one for games and one for work.

> A couple of years ago, I was the one that was saying that Linux isn't
> ready for the average computer user, but the times there are 'achangin'!

I agree, Ubuntu has made the OS/Internet simple for the simple, not
really the "Average", but for the simple it's a good choice.

> And quite frankly, nothing could be better for Windows users than more
> competition coming from the Linux side of the market. Imagine how good
> MS has to make its OSs with the pressure of competition goading it own!

I agree with that.


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the wharf rat wrote:

> In article <hYnRj.27230$YY2.16368@fe038.usenetserver.com>, kurttrail
> <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote:
>>
>>Nothing is 100% secure, and nothing will ever be 100% secure, as long as
>
> A PC sitting on a pedestal in a lexan box in a room filled with
> king cobras surrounded by a moat 12 feet wide and 12 feet deep enclosing
> 6 saltwater crocodiles and an electric eel surrounded by a 10 foot high
> voltage electric razor wire fence guarded by 12 US Marines and 4 German
> Sheperds. They have 24 hour close air cover and the perimeter is
> patrolled by three Abrams tanks.
>
> And the PC is *turned* *off*.

Is it in Iran? And is Hillary the President?

Kaboom!

Is it in California sitting along the San Andreas?

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <amqRj.66687$jM2.16713@fe60.usenetserver.com>,
> dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>
>> > In article <_wnRj.27205$YY2.2965@fe038.usenetserver.com>,
>> > dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org says...
>> >
>> >> Only in those shops where the techs are ignorant of everything not
>> >> MS.
>> >
>> > No, not true again, and overly generalized on your part. Many of my
>> > own customers run a Linux and Windows solution for their servers
>> > because of licensing costs, but, each has a strength and a weakness.
>>
>> So in order to disagree with me, you are now saying that Linux can
>> "work well" with MS OSs?
>>
>> ROFL!
>>
>> I'd forgotten how desperate you can get to find a way to disagree with
>> me!
>
> No, I didn't say that, you made that up to help your failed position.
>
> I said that some Linux solutions can be setup to work well with Windows,
> but you already know that - you made a overly broad statement, it's not
> true in that scope. My statement limited the scope and is correct as
> posted.

Sounds like a lot of back-peddling to me.

First you broadly say, Linux "does not work well
in a MS dominated shop," and then when I told you that it networks faster
for me than Vista does, you reply, "Many of my own customers run a Linux
and Windows solution for their servers because of licensing costs, but,
each has a strength and a weakness."

So Linux can "run well" with MS OSs.

It sounds to me that you are arguing with yourself, more than you are
arguing with me.

>
>> >> Hell, I have a mixed network at home, and my Ubuntu install kicks
>> >> Vista ass over the network, though XP is the clear champ at network
>> >> speed.
>> >
>> > LOL, and I run Ubuntu and Fedora and Fedora is leaps ahead of Ubuntu
>> > for anything a serious user would want.
>>
>> Do I see a case of distro-envy?
>>
>> And haven't you figured out yet, that I'm anything but serious? )
>
> Envy? Why, because I happen to use different distro's based on the
> clients needs? I see Ubuntu was the perfect OS platform for the people
> that don't do more than surf and play on the web, Fedora for the serious
> worker/small business.

If I were using a distro for business purposes, I'd go with Red Hat or
Suse and pay for support.

I wouldn't use a development OS for my business.

>> And you'd probably enjoy those same games on an XBox or a Playstation
>> even more.
>
> Nope, don't own a game box of any type - just computers.

LOL! So how do you know you wouldn't enjoy gaming more with an XBox or a
Playstation over a PC gaming platform?

Guessing?

>> PC gaming is the biggest elephant in the Linux room, but most people
>> tend to play their games on gaming platforms, and use their computers
>> for communications and information/content gathering.
>
> Every PC user I know has a PC for playing games and working also,
> depending on what they call work, no single person I know has two
> computers, one for games and one for work.

I guess you know nobody that dual boots, huh?

And if you followed the link I provided earlier, there are modern games
that will play just fine on Linux.

>> A couple of years ago, I was the one that was saying that Linux isn't
>> ready for the average computer user, but the times there are
>> 'achangin'!
>
> I agree, Ubuntu has made the OS/Internet simple for the simple, not
> really the "Average", but for the simple it's a good choice.

The average computer users I know are simplistic in their computing
knowledge.

They are one in the same thing.

>> And quite frankly, nothing could be better for Windows users than more
>> competition coming from the Linux side of the market. Imagine how good
>> MS has to make its OSs with the pressure of competition goading it own!
>
> I agree with that.

About time!

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"kurttrail" wrote in message
news:ShmRj.27200$YY2.19878@fe038.usenetserver.com...
> here wrote:
>> "ray" wrote in message...
>>>
>>> Strange. I don't see "help" in the group name - though I do see
>>> "general".
>>
>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
>>
>> General questions about MS Windows Vista! Period! End of discussion.
>
> You forgot the "public" part. And also offering alternatives to people's
> Vista frustrations can be of help to those suffering using Vista.
>
> So it's too bad for you, but you cannot end the discussion, except by
> leaving it yourself.
>

No, I didn't forget, but since you need it explained...

Public means you do not need to login with a username and password.

I really didn't think anyone in this newsgroup was so dense that they needed
me to define the only word that doesn't specify which product is being
discussed.
 
>> Also, if you want to play games you have to use
>> Windows or Mac in dual boot or games that also work in Mac (The Sims 2).
>
> You do realize that many games now do play on Linux, don't you?
>
> You do realize that there are many games for Linux, don't you?
>
>> Try to find popular games for Linux.
>
> http://www.vgpro.com/article/5_killer_pc_games_playable_on_ub

Hi, I was intrested in your comments. I am not being nasty or sarcastic. I
ask this because you seem to know much about Ubuntu/linux etc. What sort of
game can one find for those platforms. My kids are big gamers (ok, me 2) and
I want to get them interested in alternatives. Cheers.
http://spookpaleis.myminicity.com/ind/
 
here wrote:

> "kurttrail" wrote in message
> news:ShmRj.27200$YY2.19878@fe038.usenetserver.com...
>> here wrote:
>>> "ray" wrote in message...
>>>>
>>>> Strange. I don't see "help" in the group name - though I do see
>>>> "general".
>>>
>>> microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
>>>
>>> General questions about MS Windows Vista! Period! End of discussion.
>>
>> You forgot the "public" part. And also offering alternatives to
>> people's Vista frustrations can be of help to those suffering using
>> Vista.
>>
>> So it's too bad for you, but you cannot end the discussion, except by
>> leaving it yourself.
>>
>>
> No, I didn't forget, but since you need it explained...
>
> Public means you do not need to login with a username and password.
>
> I really didn't think anyone in this newsgroup was so dense that they
> needed me to define the only word that doesn't specify which product is
> being discussed.

Being that it is open to the "Public" means that more than just Vista
users are welcome here. This group is open to the entire computing
public that has access to the USENET.

Gee, I didn't think I would have to explain something as simple of a
concept as that.

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Spook 13 wrote:

>>> Also, if you want to play games you have to use Windows or Mac in dual
>>> boot or games that also work in Mac (The Sims 2).
>>
>> You do realize that many games now do play on Linux, don't you?
>>
>> You do realize that there are many games for Linux, don't you?
>>
>>> Try to find popular games for Linux.
>>
>> http://www.vgpro.com/article/5_killer_pc_games_playable_on_ub
>
> Hi, I was intrested in your comments. I am not being nasty or sarcastic.
> I ask this because you seem to know much about Ubuntu/linux etc.

Thanks, but I'm a relative Linux n00b.

> What
> sort of game can one find for those platforms. My kids are big gamers
> (ok, me 2) and I want to get them interested in alternatives. Cheers.
> http://spookpaleis.myminicity.com/ind/

Besides the games at the link I gave previously, you can check out this
list of games at:

http://games.cedega.com/gamesdb/

Plus most distros are loaded with games to download straight from the
repositories.

In the Ubuntu repository there are more than a hundred games to choose
from.

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"kurttrail" wrote in message
news:JlGRj.13190$4X5.9250@fe192.usenetserver.com...
>
> Besides the games at the link I gave previously, you can check out this
> list of games at:
>
> http://games.cedega.com/gamesdb/
>
> Plus most distros are loaded with games to download straight from the
> repositories.
>
> In the Ubuntu repository there are more than a hundred games to choose
> from.
>

Nice! According to that site, each version has a different list of
compatible games. That's like saying what worked in Win 3.0 won't work in
Win 3.11 at all. LOL
 
here wrote:

> Nice! According to that site, each version has a different list of
> compatible games. That's like saying what worked in Win 3.0 won't work
> in Win 3.11 at all. LOL

It's not like I'm saying Linux is a better gaming platform than Windows,
because it's not, but there are tons of games for it.

But I'm more into using Linux for the peace of mind that its relative
security allows me while computing. Can't get that feeling in Windows
without cutting my computer's left nut off with some real-time AV running.

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