So I tried it...

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

I call you a stalker because that is what you do.
You do it and you can not deny it.
Adam is a stalker.

Read my post and the post I replied, probably for the first time.
What you said has NOTHING to do with it.
That is one of the things that show you as a stalker.
Your need to simply attack whether there is relevance or not.
Whether you can contribute or not.

"...what would you call Frank?"
It is also irrelevant, but that is what you must do when you have
nothing of substance.
It is noted you are comparing your actions with someone whose actions
you hate.
Apparently you see yourself as his equal in at least one way otherwise
there would be no reason for your comparison.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:9th5a35dtbcb6gcs0us6t4q6hb7u3o0t1r@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:39:55 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:
>
>>Adam the stalker Again.
>
> Talk about being feeble. You can't counter any argument I've made,
> so
> just keep calling me a stalker. Using your logic what would you call
> Frank?

 

[Charlie Tame]

Don't misunderstand, I have no complaint about progress in other
countries, but we must at least stay level with them.

For example chip manufacture has moved - it is something that can only
be done with very high tech machines and the machines that "We" started
with have now been improved and are being made abroad. In the event of
some catastrophe could we now make one of those machines is we had to?
Do we have the people with the knowledge? If not we have sold our
security to those who can provide the goods. It is not just that Labor
is cheaper in (say) China, it is the loss of ability when productions
moves there. Pretty soon those countries start innovating themselves and
we fall behind - seriously behind in some cases because their innovation
may include entirely new processes that we simply don't know about yet.

We need big players like MS to support new technology responsibly, but
we also need the communities like Linux to come up with alternatives,
any system that can't handle competition will not last.


xfile wrote:
>> [...] the US needs innovators, enough has been lost already to other
>> countries,[...]
>
> I appreciate that you can take that as a "fact" so we don't have to blind
> ourselves any longer.
>
> And if we couldn't think out of the box and criticize if we could have a
> better way for a product, we will never be a true innovator.
>

 

[Charlie Tame]

NVidia's betas sometimes break one thing when they fix a more important
one, but I've never seen one do anything really bad.

(Yet)


Romane wrote:
> Hi Stephen
>
> Like you, I try to not use the beta's, especially for something like a
> device driver. However, I had problems with my 8800GTS that the latest
> drivers did not fix, but since installing the beta being offered by
> nVidia, everything has been sweet.
>
> R.
>
>
> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
> news:OdWdnbAyjZahOj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:22:46 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OdWdnbQyjZYHAj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:52:12 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Stephan Rose" wrote in messag
>>>>>
>>>>>> How would I even go about uninstalling whatever drive initially
>>>>>> placed
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> Vista? The device manager just lists my nVidia driver now so I
>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> even know what driver vista initially placed. I never bother to
>>>>>> look for
>>>>>> that since my normal procedure with windows is to install it and then
>>>>>> install the latest nVidia driver.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a monitor/brand/display adapter issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> How old is the monitor? nVidia is infamous for leaving older (and
>>>>> not all
>>>>> that old) monitor's out of their "updated" drivers.
>>>>
>>>> Monitor is probably about 1.5 years old, is is a 20.1 inch 1600x1200
>>>> flatpanel.
>>>>
>>>> It works flawlessly with the latest nVidia drivers under Linux.
>>>> It works flawlessly with the latest nVidia drivers under WinXP. And I
>>>> seriously mean latest, I just updated my nVidia drivers under XP a
>>>> couple
>>>> of days ago.
>>>>
>>>> So I don't see why nVidia would leave it out of Vista if they
>>>> support it
>>>> properly everywhere else.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you installed an "updated" driver, you can usually "roll back" the
>>>>> display adapter driver in Device Manager.
>>>>
>>>> That'd just bring me back to the default driver that Vista picked,
>>>> which didn't do any better.
>>>>
>>>> I actually even tried to change my monitor driver from the generic PnP
>>>> driver to Digital Flatpanel 1600x1200 but it made no difference.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My bet is that your system doesn't have the correct monitor driver
>>> installed. Your machine needs to know which resolutions and refresh
>>> rates it
>>> can support, otherwise it goes to 1024 x 768 to err on the safe side
>>
>> That's all fine but if I tell it to use a 1600x1200 driver, it should
>> believe me and allow me to use that resolution...to me, that's the
>> purpose
>> of such drivers.
>>
>>>
>>> Have you tried nVida's latest beta drivers for your card?
>>>
>>
>> Honestly, no. I generally don't like running beta drivers. They are beta
>> for a reason. Though I suppose in this case I don't have anything to
>> loose
>> so I'll give it a shot.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Stephan
>> 2003 Yamaha R6
>>
>> å›ã®ã“ã¨æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯
>> å›ã®ã“ã¨å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰
>

 

[Charlie Tame]

mikeyhsd wrote:
> this from our resident WHINER
>
> WHINE, WHINE, WHINE

Idiot X 3

 

[Romane]

Hi Stephen

Like you, I try to not use the beta's, especially for something like a
device driver. However, I had problems with my 8800GTS that the latest
drivers did not fix, but since installing the beta being offered by nVidia,
everything has been sweet.

R.


"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
news:OdWdnbAyjZahOj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com...
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:22:46 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>
>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
>> news:OdWdnbQyjZYHAj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:52:12 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Stephan Rose" wrote in messag
>>>>
>>>>> How would I even go about uninstalling whatever drive initially placed
>>>>> by
>>>>> Vista? The device manager just lists my nVidia driver now so I
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> even know what driver vista initially placed. I never bother to look
>>>>> for
>>>>> that since my normal procedure with windows is to install it and then
>>>>> install the latest nVidia driver.
>>>>
>>>> This is a monitor/brand/display adapter issue.
>>>>
>>>> How old is the monitor? nVidia is infamous for leaving older (and not
>>>> all
>>>> that old) monitor's out of their "updated" drivers.
>>>
>>> Monitor is probably about 1.5 years old, is is a 20.1 inch 1600x1200
>>> flatpanel.
>>>
>>> It works flawlessly with the latest nVidia drivers under Linux.
>>> It works flawlessly with the latest nVidia drivers under WinXP. And I
>>> seriously mean latest, I just updated my nVidia drivers under XP a
>>> couple
>>> of days ago.
>>>
>>> So I don't see why nVidia would leave it out of Vista if they support it
>>> properly everywhere else.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you installed an "updated" driver, you can usually "roll back" the
>>>> display adapter driver in Device Manager.
>>>
>>> That'd just bring me back to the default driver that Vista picked,
>>> which didn't do any better.
>>>
>>> I actually even tried to change my monitor driver from the generic PnP
>>> driver to Digital Flatpanel 1600x1200 but it made no difference.
>>>
>>
>> My bet is that your system doesn't have the correct monitor driver
>> installed. Your machine needs to know which resolutions and refresh rates
>> it
>> can support, otherwise it goes to 1024 x 768 to err on the safe side
>
> That's all fine but if I tell it to use a 1600x1200 driver, it should
> believe me and allow me to use that resolution...to me, that's the purpose
> of such drivers.
>
>>
>> Have you tried nVida's latest beta drivers for your card?
>>
>
> Honestly, no. I generally don't like running beta drivers. They are beta
> for a reason. Though I suppose in this case I don't have anything to loose
> so I'll give it a shot.
>
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
> å›ã®ã“ã¨æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯
> å›ã®ã“ã¨å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

 

[Alias]

xfile wrote:
>> No, it's the best the hardware vendors who wrote the drivers can do.
>> It's not Microsoft's job to write drivers.
>
> To be fair, Microsoft has to provide enough resources and "incentives" for
> vendors to do so in the same way that Linux community has to do.
>
> If you were the CEO of the vendor, why would you want to spend tremendous
> efforts on doing so for the "old" hardware? Will you benefit from it?

Yes, it's called good PR, something many in the computer industry not
only neglected but have scorned and held in disdain.

>
> Will you do things that only have costs but not benefits as a rational
> business decision-maker?

A rational business decision maker knows what good PR is.

Alias
>
>
> "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message
> news:no-51ADA2.18240021072007@news.supernews.com...
>> In article <OdWdnb8yjZaFHj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> wrote:
>>
>>> - Video does not work beyond 1024x768, latest drivers. Dealbreaker right
>>> there. Google reveals that I'm not the only one with the issue and
>>> apparently the only fix I've seen so far is to use the VGA output
>>> instead.
>>> Difficult to do with a video card that only has DVI outputs, not to
>>> mention that I run a dual monitor setup and need both my outputs no
>>> matter
>>> what the type. Not even manually choosing the "1600x1200 Digital
>>> Flatpanel"
>>> driver fixes this. So yes, I tried.
>> Driver issue.
>>
>>> - My *MICROSOFT* Keyboard is not recognized correctly. It's a Japanese
>>> keyboard, I select "Japanese" layout...and it does not give me a Japanese
>>> layout no matter what I do. What else beyond selecting "Japanese" as my
>>> keyboard type and layout am I supposed to friggin do?? Call bill gates?
>>> Again, dealbreaker right there if I can't properly use my keyboard!
>> Driver issue.
>>
>>> - Looking into the device manager I see about 4-5 other devices not
>>> supported, including my SATA controller. Hard drive does obviously work
>>> since Vista is running but I wonder if it was running at its optimum
>>> performance seeing that the device manager was complaining about not
>>> having a driver for the controller.
>> Driver issue.
>>
>>> I mean seriously, THIS is the best Microsoft can do??? THIS is supposed
>>> to
>>> be progress? Advancement?? It can't even work correctly out of the box
>>> with my very up to date hardware!
>> No, it's the best the hardware vendors who wrote the drivers can do.
>> It's not Microsoft's job to write drivers.
>>
>> Mike
>
>

 

[Alias]

Richard Urban wrote:
> Drivers - Drivers - Drivers
>

SP2 - SP2 - SP2

Alias

 

[mikeyhsd]

this from our resident WHINER

WHINE, WHINE, WHINE



mikeyhsd@comcast.net



"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message news:0nd5a35dmc4se5ianupkopuev0atc34eek@4ax.com...
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:43:01 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:


>Remember the insults you hurled at me?

You write them down?

>I do! Well I did install urbuttoo
>on another box with an ati card and guess what? It's the worse linux os
>out there and I've tried at least half a dozen or more over the years.

>Craw back into your linux loser hole now doris before you once again
>make a stupid fool out of yourself.

You give lessons on how to be a stupid fool? You'd be a great teacher
Frankie since you obviously had lots of practice.

 

[xfile]

Average 15% gross profit margin and 3% net profit margin and doing that for
PR?

PR has no use for a company that cannot generate enough revenues to pay
salaries and rent and other expenses.

Even Microsoft cannot force them to come up drivers for older models and you
would think that they ought to do it for Linux?

Well, I have nothing to say if that's how you think it.


"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:uz0t5TFzHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> xfile wrote:
>>> No, it's the best the hardware vendors who wrote the drivers can do.
>>> It's not Microsoft's job to write drivers.
>>
>> To be fair, Microsoft has to provide enough resources and "incentives"
>> for vendors to do so in the same way that Linux community has to do.
>>
>> If you were the CEO of the vendor, why would you want to spend tremendous
>> efforts on doing so for the "old" hardware? Will you benefit from it?
>
> Yes, it's called good PR, something many in the computer industry not only
> neglected but have scorned and held in disdain.
>
>>
>> Will you do things that only have costs but not benefits as a rational
>> business decision-maker?
>
> A rational business decision maker knows what good PR is.
>
> Alias
>>
>>
>> "Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message
>> news:no-51ADA2.18240021072007@news.supernews.com...
>>> In article <OdWdnb8yjZaFHj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com>,
>>> Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> - Video does not work beyond 1024x768, latest drivers. Dealbreaker
>>>> right
>>>> there. Google reveals that I'm not the only one with the issue and
>>>> apparently the only fix I've seen so far is to use the VGA output
>>>> instead.
>>>> Difficult to do with a video card that only has DVI outputs, not to
>>>> mention that I run a dual monitor setup and need both my outputs no
>>>> matter
>>>> what the type. Not even manually choosing the "1600x1200 Digital
>>>> Flatpanel"
>>>> driver fixes this. So yes, I tried.
>>> Driver issue.
>>>
>>>> - My *MICROSOFT* Keyboard is not recognized correctly. It's a Japanese
>>>> keyboard, I select "Japanese" layout...and it does not give me a
>>>> Japanese
>>>> layout no matter what I do. What else beyond selecting "Japanese" as my
>>>> keyboard type and layout am I supposed to friggin do?? Call bill gates?
>>>> Again, dealbreaker right there if I can't properly use my keyboard!
>>> Driver issue.
>>>
>>>> - Looking into the device manager I see about 4-5 other devices not
>>>> supported, including my SATA controller. Hard drive does obviously work
>>>> since Vista is running but I wonder if it was running at its optimum
>>>> performance seeing that the device manager was complaining about not
>>>> having a driver for the controller.
>>> Driver issue.
>>>
>>>> I mean seriously, THIS is the best Microsoft can do??? THIS is supposed
>>>> to
>>>> be progress? Advancement?? It can't even work correctly out of the box
>>>> with my very up to date hardware!
>>> No, it's the best the hardware vendors who wrote the drivers can do.
>>> It's not Microsoft's job to write drivers.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>

 

[carl feredeck]

you are just making a fool of yourself with your blind ms love....

you have no idea how bad you come accross

and you have no credibility


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:uLgNoPBzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I call you a stalker because that is what you do.
> You do it and you can not deny it.
> Adam is a stalker.
>
> Read my post and the post I replied, probably for the first time.
> What you said has NOTHING to do with it.
> That is one of the things that show you as a stalker.
> Your need to simply attack whether there is relevance or not.
> Whether you can contribute or not.
>
> "...what would you call Frank?"
> It is also irrelevant, but that is what you must do when you have nothing
> of substance.
> It is noted you are comparing your actions with someone whose actions you
> hate.
> Apparently you see yourself as his equal in at least one way otherwise
> there would be no reason for your comparison.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:9th5a35dtbcb6gcs0us6t4q6hb7u3o0t1r@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:39:55 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
>> <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Adam the stalker Again.
>>
>> Talk about being feeble. You can't counter any argument I've made, so
>> just keep calling me a stalker. Using your logic what would you call
>> Frank?
>

 

[carl feredeck]

> Sad piece of work, this fellow, almost as bad as Alias.
>


you are as bad as frank....lol

that says it all!

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:efmQ%23f%23yHHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Stephan has been around for months knocking Vista, without even having
> tried it.
>
> Now he can do it with "authority"!
>
> Sad piece of work, this fellow, almost as bad as Alias.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
> "Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote in message
> news:%23I8T3X%23yHHA.5408@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> You are kind of pathetic. I'll bet you don't wash you're behind before
>> you change you underwear too.
>>
>> I'll bet you just ran off lickety split and install the software without
>> doing a compatibilty check to see if the computer was even compatible or
>> even strong enough to run Vista.
>

 

[Adam Albright]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:53:36 -0600, "Jupiter Jones [MVP]"
<jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote:

>I call you a stalker because that is what you do.
>You do it and you can not deny it.
>Adam is a stalker.

The record clearly shows that YOU are one of the more anal MVPs.
Instead of cleaning up your act, you try to label me as stalker.
That says it all.

 

[Adam Albright]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:37:29 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.
Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote:

>The boy has got his nose wide open. It don't take much to put a ring Adam
>Piss Ant's nose and make him chase.
>
><VBG>

One of the things I do in groups like this is remove doubt about some
of the more anal posters. Congratulations, for sure everybody now sees
you as just another hot head like Frank and the irony is I just needed
to push you a little bit, you did all the heavy lifting yourself
confirming you are what I thought you were. So live with it Mr.
Arnold.

So funny!

 

[here@home.again]

"Stephan Rose" whined...
> Honestly, I really don't care. I seriously don't. I expect that when
> someone charges up to 399 for their product that it works. I don't care
> how
> it works. I don't care why it works. I don't care whose responsibility
> what is. I only care that, had I spent money on it, that it would WORK!
>
> Why it doesn't....does not concern me at all. I treat this like any other
> product I buy.
>
> If I buy a toaster I expect it to toast.
> If I buy a car I expect it to drive.
> If I buy a fridge I expect it to cool things!
>
> On that same note, if I buy an operating system designed for a PC I expect
> it work with my PC's hardware. Especially if said hardware was purchased
> less than a year ago. If it doesn't, I don't care why it doesn't. I only
> care about the problems I have as a result and the fact that it doesn't.

That's like saying you expect a new car to be completely compatible with all
sizes and styles of air filters. If you don't use the right parts (drivers)
you can't get anywhere. How can you use Linux and not know how to update
hardware drivers? How many driver versions do you expect to be included in
Vista? Do you really think we believe you're that dense??

 

[Frank]

Adam Albright wrote:

>
> The record clearly shows that YOU are one of the more anal MVPs.
> Instead of cleaning up your act, you try to label me as stalker.
> That says it all.
>
hahaha...he nailed your ass spot on!
Give it up adam. Read you own postings and you'll maybe see that you
have been stalking him.
Now grow up!
Frank

 

[Frank]

Adam Albright wrote:

>
>
> One of the things I do in groups like this is remove doubt about some
> of the more anal posters. Congratulations, for sure everybody now sees
> you as just another hot head like Frank and the irony is I just needed
> to push you a little bit, you did all the heavy lifting yourself
> confirming you are what I thought you were. So live with it Mr.
> Arnold.
>
> So funny!
>
Anal posters? You mean idiots just like you, right?
Grow up you moron.
People are laughing at you in public.
Frank

 

[here@home.again]

"Adam Albright" bragged...
> The record clearly shows that YOU are one of the more anal MVPs.
> Instead of cleaning up your act, you try to label me as stalker.
> That says it all.
>


You must be the anal expert.

 

[Adam Albright]

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:37:47 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:
>
>>
>> The record clearly shows that YOU are one of the more anal MVPs.
>> Instead of cleaning up your act, you try to label me as stalker.
>> That says it all.
>>
>hahaha...he nailed your ass spot on!
>Give it up adam. Read you own postings and you'll maybe see that you
>have been stalking him.
>Now grow up!
>Frank

Based on that half-ass logic, it seems you have been stalking the
entire newsgroup since your thing is to post nothing but endless
ranting, yelling, and screaming at everybody that dares to be critical
of anything you say. Google contains hundreds, perhaps thousands of
your posts where you do nothing but hurl insults at EVERYBODY.

Worse, you are on record claiming you have a right to shamelessly
engage in this disruptive behavior, since in your delusional fantasy
world you've set yourself up as supreme pontificator and judge that
using your words has a right to flame whoever he wishes for your own
self gratification.

That sir strongly suggests the one with SERIOUS mental problems is the
Bozo you see staring back at your from your bathroom mirror. I like
others simply point out the misconduct you and others blowhards like
yourself engage in daily. So the noise you wail against is mostly
generated by yourself and other self-important losers like you.

 

[Adam Albright]

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 07:41:30 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> One of the things I do in groups like this is remove doubt about some
>> of the more anal posters. Congratulations, for sure everybody now sees
>> you as just another hot head like Frank and the irony is I just needed
>> to push you a little bit, you did all the heavy lifting yourself
>> confirming you are what I thought you were. So live with it Mr.
>> Arnold.
>>
>> So funny!
>>
>Anal posters? You mean idiots just like you, right?
>Grow up you moron.
>People are laughing at you in public.
>Frank


People are laughing with me when I expose jerks like you.

 

[Mr. Arnold]

Ring in your nose boy for the Internet Piss Ant Cop -- Detective Adam Piss
Ant, and that's why you keep posting dumba**. Officer, you can't give out
tickets, and you need to crawl back into your sorry a*s hole, acting like
you're some kind of demented *clown* any time someone post something you
don't like, officer.

Officer, the disease in your mind has you thinking that you got some kind of
job in the NG, when the reality is that the only job you have is the job of
a demented *clown* loose in the NG, officer.

How is it that you have access to a computer, you can work it with your
straight jacket on, your face mask on and your piss ant tongue duct taped to
your lips, looking like Hannibal Lecter the Cannibal with your hair not
combed too, in your 4*4 padded cell foaming about the mouth at the asylum,
officer? <g>

I am not reading your s*it officer, but I bet you're reading all of this.
Officer, they need to lock your a** up, up under the asylum, because there
is something wrong with you, officer. You need help you little demented piss
ant officer.