Re: Ubuntu screwed my machine

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Telstar wrote:
> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:9fOdnfHGw93ZcT3VnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@supernews.com...
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:33:16 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:25:01 -0500, Rick wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:08:05 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:45:16 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>> cheley_bonstell88@live.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I did my research Before I installed ubuntu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Optimized the hard drive,
>>>>>> made sure I had enough room,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> put in the CD:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> said " yes" to install
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - And Here I am !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ubuntu is what I use almost exclusively
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will probably never use a Microsoft OS again
>>>>>>
>>>>>> & good luck to yu !
>>>>>
>>>>> Until your accountant demands Quicken files.
>>>>
>>>> Does he want my business?
>>>>
>>>>> Until you decide to get\ into online stock trading.
>>>>
>>>> Can't be done with Linux? You sure?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Until your kid comes home from school with programs you can't run.
>>>>
>>>> Time to complain to the school board.
>>>>
>>>>> Until your job hands you some CBT trainining DVD's that you can't
>>>>> run.
>>>>
>>>> I guess they'll have to buy a Windows machine... or at least a
>>>> Windows license.
>>>>
>>>>> Until you wish to look at the Olympics videos.
>>>>
>>>> USA Channel.
>>>>
>>>>> Until you wish to view BBC multimedia content.
>>>>
>>>> I don't live in the UK, so I don't deal with the player.
>>>>
>>>>> Until you try to upload maps/trips etc to your GPS.
>>>>
>>>> Garmin Linux based unit?
>>>>
>>>>> Until you decide to purchase something from the iTunes store.
>>>>
>>>> Amazon.
>>>>
>>>>> Until you decide to upgrade firmware on various PDA/Cell/GPS/iPod
>>>>> devices.
>>>>
>>>> Haven't tried my Palm TX, which is also my media player. My
>>>> wireless router is up to date, finally.
>>>>
>>>>> Until you decide you want some real games other than Quake.
>>>>
>>>> There are real games that run on Liux systems, other that Quake.
>>>>
>>>>> Until you decide to try MagicJack to save on phone bills
>>>>> Until....... Would you like me to continue?
>>>>>
>>>>> Like you said " I will probably never use a Microsoft OS again"...
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure....
>>>>> Many more like you have said the same thing. A week later they are
>>>>> back to Windows or Mac.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, well.... too bad for them.
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> Too bad for the Linux zealot.
>>> His loss.
>>
>> Not if the user is happy with his decision.
>>
>>>
>>>> But then... you don't want to say anyting positive abut Linux
>>>> systems and OSS, do you?
>>>
>>> Sure i do.
>>> It's free..........
>>
>> You use that as an insult whenever you can.
>>
>> --
>> Rick
>
> And it is absolutely false...it is NOT FREE.

Free, as in unencumbered?
 
Re: Ubuntu fixed my machine works great now !

Had some horrible Browser hijacker

Optimized the HD,

Put a Ubuntu CD in the CD drive

Installed

- No worries !


On Aug 12, 1:30 am, "Telstar" <none@none> wrote:
> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_st...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1u1h693atqzcc.hr13mfkjrk10.dlg@40tude.net...
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:45:16 -0700 (PDT), cheley_bonstel...@live.com
> > wrote:
>
> >> Well, I did my research Before I installed ubuntu:
>
> >> Optimized the hard drive,
> >> made sure I had enough room,
>
> >> put in the CD:
>
> >> said " yes" to install
>
> >> - And Here I am !
>
> >> Ubuntu is what I use almost exclusively
>
> >> I will probably never use a Microsoft OS again
>
> >> & good luck to yu !
>
> > Until your accountant demands Quicken files.
> > Until you decide to get into online stock trading.
> > Until your kid comes home from school with programs you can't run.
> > Until your job hands you some CBT trainining DVD's that you can't run.
> > Until you wish to look at the Olympics videos.
> > Until you wish to view BBC multimedia content.
> > Until you try to upload maps/trips etc to your GPS.
> > Until you decide to purchase something from the iTunes store.
> > Until you decide to upgrade firmware on various PDA/Cell/GPS/iPod devices.
> > Until you decide you want some real games other than Quake.
> > Until you decide to try MagicJack to save on phone bills
> > Until.......
>
> > Would you like me to continue?
>
> No because these points mean you are and idiot. End of analysis.
>
>
>
> > Like you said " I will probably never use a Microsoft OS again"...
>
> > Sure....
> > Many more like you have said the same thing.
> > A week later they are back to Windows or Mac.
>
> > --
> > Moshe Goldfarb
> > Collector of soaps from around the globe.
> > Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
> >http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
> Sniped...
>
> FWIW If it *works* for you, fine but COLA Linux people are liars.
> They have been caught a zillion times already so I don't trust them until
> they prove otherwise.
>
>

Please leave it in COLA then.

Ram
 
* Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:

> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:45:16 -0700 (PDT), cheley_bonstell88@live.com wrote:
>
>> Well, I did my research Before I installed ubuntu:
>>
>> Optimized the hard drive,
>> made sure I had enough room,
>>
>> put in the CD:
>>
>> said " yes" to install
>>
>> - And Here I am !
>>
>> Ubuntu is what I use almost exclusively
>>
>> I will probably never use a Microsoft OS again
>>
>> & good luck to yu !
>
> Until your accountant demands Quicken files.

No professional accountant would do that.

> Until you decide to get into online stock trading.

You don't even need a computer to do that.

> Until your kid comes home from school with programs you can't run.

That has never happened in all the years of my daughter going to school.
They have computer resources provided to them up through high school at
a minimum.

> Until your job hands you some CBT trainining DVD's that you can't run.

Uh, Beavis, you can use the computer your job lends you.

> Until you wish to look at the Olympics videos.

Streams.

> Until you wish to view BBC multimedia content.

I thought they got some Linux support to that.

> Until you try to upload maps/trips etc to your GPS.

http://www.ibiblio.org/fplan/Aviation-HOWTO/Aviation-HOWTO-8.html

http://tuxmobil.org/gps_linux_survey.html

> Until you decide to purchase something from the iTunes store.

>Snicker<

> Until you decide to upgrade firmware on various PDA/Cell/GPS/iPod devices.

Many use VFAT or TFTP.

If not, no need to buy a whole friggin' Windows computer... just
borrow your friend's box for a couple of minutes.

> Until you decide you want some real games other than Quake.

I'm sure he already took Windows gaming out of his equation.

Not everyone cares about have any games, let alone Windows games.

> Until you decide to try MagicJack to save on phone bills

Can you say Skype?

> Until.......

Don't be silly. There are plenty of ways do /all/ of the activities
above, without Windows. And many of those activities don't even need a
computer.

The problem with you, flatso, is you don't keep on top of the latest
developments. And why should you? It is easier to repeat old wive's
tales, isn't it?

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* JEDIDIAH peremptorily fired off this memo:

>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:28:32 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
> [deletia]
>>> The key is the word *works* and how it applies to COLA....
>>>
>>> Example: My video card just works with Linux. Real answer: I can't use
>>> the remote control, S-Video doesn't work, I can't use the highest
>>> resolutions etc...But it works...
>
> You'll have to do better than that. h264 hardware acceleration perhaps?
>
> As it is, I can already use my video card with the HDMI output (who
> is so lame as to use svideo in this day and age) at 1080i and mpeg2
> hardware accleration.

It's amazing that those old wive's tales about Linux still have traction
in this day and age.

You'd think it was all command-line!

Here's a cute little movie, rendered on open-source systems, with
formats for various operating systems:

http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/download/

It's a cute, well-done movie with nice effects. Big Buck reminds me of
a guy here at work.

WARNING FOR CHILDREN: A couple of butterflies get killed.

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* Telstar peremptorily fired off this memo:

> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> Sure i do.
>>> It's free..........
>>
>> You use that as an insult whenever you can.
>
> And it is absolutely false...it is NOT FREE.

Of course it isn't free. You have to buy CDs and pay for internet
access to get it ->

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On 2008-08-12, Moshe Goldfarb. <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:45:16 -0700 (PDT), cheley_bonstell88@live.com wrote:
>
>> Well, I did my research Before I installed ubuntu:
>>
>> Optimized the hard drive,
>> made sure I had enough room,
>>
>> put in the CD:
>>
>> said " yes" to install
>>
>> - And Here I am !
>>
>> Ubuntu is what I use almost exclusively
>>
>> I will probably never use a Microsoft OS again
>>
>> & good luck to yu !
>
> Until your accountant demands Quicken files.
> Until you decide to get into online stock trading.
> Until your kid comes home from school with programs you can't run.
> Until your job hands you some CBT trainining DVD's that you can't run.
> Until you wish to look at the Olympics videos.
> Until you wish to view BBC multimedia content.
> Until you try to upload maps/trips etc to your GPS.
> Until you decide to purchase something from the iTunes store.
> Until you decide to upgrade firmware on various PDA/Cell/GPS/iPod devices.
> Until you decide you want some real games other than Quake.
> Until you decide to try MagicJack to save on phone bills
> Until.......

I used Linux for years at home and Almost never need to use
Windows. At the moment we have a Windows PC, but it is turned off.

The one recent moment was to initialize a "wireless broadband" modem
that I am using. I had to use a Windows laptop to do it.

The kid stuff, for now I handle with the word no. No, you cannot
install that game, that is. No, just because that website tells you to
install that software, you cannot install it.

It works so far, if he needs to run Windows later (he is 7) he could
choose to do so.

i

> Would you like me to continue?
>
> Like you said " I will probably never use a Microsoft OS again"...
>
> Sure....
> Many more like you have said the same thing.
> A week later they are back to Windows or Mac.
>
>
 
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:29:10 -0400, Linonut wrote:

> * Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:45:16 -0700 (PDT), cheley_bonstell88@live.com wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I did my research Before I installed ubuntu:
>>>
>>> Optimized the hard drive,
>>> made sure I had enough room,
>>>
>>> put in the CD:
>>>
>>> said " yes" to install
>>>
>>> - And Here I am !
>>>
>>> Ubuntu is what I use almost exclusively
>>>
>>> I will probably never use a Microsoft OS again
>>>
>>> & good luck to yu !
>>
>> Until your accountant demands Quicken files.
>
> No professional accountant would do that.

Actually they do.
QuickBooks at the client end.
Professional level accounting software at their end.


>> Until you decide to get into online stock trading.
>
> You don't even need a computer to do that.

Come on, you know what I mean.
You can do so much on your own these days, projections, trends, watching,
predicting etc.
All from the comfort of home.
Most require software that only runs on Windows or Mac.

>> Until your kid comes home from school with programs you can't run.
>
> That has never happened in all the years of my daughter going to school.
> They have computer resources provided to them up through high school at
> a minimum.

Happens all the time where I live although they just gave every child a
brand new Thinkpad T61 this year.
Windows XP Professional of course.

Lot's of free software like SAT Prep, Regents prep, Magic Schoolbus type
stuff for the younger ones etc.
All totally legal.
Won't work on Linux though, although I think a couple of the educational
software companies are offering Linux versions now.


>> Until your job hands you some CBT trainining DVD's that you can't run.
>
> Uh, Beavis, you can use the computer your job lends you.

Try Cisco, Netapp, McData, Nortel etc.
All CBT software for certifications and all run only on Windows.


>> Until you wish to look at the Olympics videos.
>
> Streams.

Yea, looks like you guys might finally have a method but it's still a
kludge compared to going to the site and clicking once.


>> Until you wish to view BBC multimedia content.
>
> I thought they got some Linux support to that.

Might have.
I know they initially refused to support Linux with their new multimedia
player.

>> Until you try to upload maps/trips etc to your GPS.
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/fplan/Aviation-HOWTO/Aviation-HOWTO-8.html
>
> http://tuxmobil.org/gps_linux_survey.html

Nope.
Apples and oranges.

The software that comes with modern GPS devices is quite sophisticated.
A lot better to plan your long vacation/trip sitting at a keyboard than
pressing miniature buttons on the GPS itself.



>> Until you decide to purchase something from the iTunes store.
>
> >Snicker<
>
>> Until you decide to upgrade firmware on various PDA/Cell/GPS/iPod devices.
>
> Many use VFAT or TFTP.
>
> If not, no need to buy a whole friggin' Windows computer... just
> borrow your friend's box for a couple of minutes.

Like I said...
A PITA.


>> Until you decide you want some real games other than Quake.
>
> I'm sure he already took Windows gaming out of his equation.
>
> Not everyone cares about have any games, let alone Windows games.

Me in particular, but it's still a a factor for many people.

>> Until you decide to try MagicJack to save on phone bills
>
> Can you say Skype?

Magic Jack is so much easier to use.
Works great from what I have heard.
Skype is a good choice if you are into conference calling though.




>> Until.......
>
> Don't be silly. There are plenty of ways do /all/ of the activities
> above, without Windows. And many of those activities don't even need a
> computer.
>
> The problem with you, flatso, is you don't keep on top of the latest
> developments. And why should you? It is easier to repeat old wive's
> tales, isn't it?


Yes I do.
The problem is you offer half baked solutions that are not inline with what
the consumer is expecting.
The GPS example is one.
The DVD is in the box, slap it in, plug the GPS into the computer and you
are done.
The Linux way?
Good luck...

Your poo pooing of the CBT software is another.
I offered real world examples, and there are many more.

I'm pretty much up on things but the point is the Linux alternatives, if
they even exist, are just not as easy nor as polished and professional as
the Windows software.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
On 2008-08-12, Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote:
> * JEDIDIAH peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:28:32 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> [deletia]
>>>> The key is the word *works* and how it applies to COLA....
>>>>
>>>> Example: My video card just works with Linux. Real answer: I can't use
>>>> the remote control, S-Video doesn't work, I can't use the highest
>>>> resolutions etc...But it works...
>>
>> You'll have to do better than that. h264 hardware acceleration perhaps?
>>
>> As it is, I can already use my video card with the HDMI output (who
>> is so lame as to use svideo in this day and age) at 1080i and mpeg2
>> hardware accleration.
>
> It's amazing that those old wive's tales about Linux still have traction
> in this day and age.
>
> You'd think it was all command-line!

TAB likes to repeat this lie every time he posts.

Some people are working perversely hard to keep this myth alive...

[deletia]

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* Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:

> I'm pretty much up on things but the point is the Linux alternatives, if
> they even exist, are just not as easy nor as polished and professional as
> the Windows software.

So what? That does not make the Windows versions necessities.

Stick with Windows if you wish. Many people, however, do not wish to
use it, and they find they can perform most, if not all, of the same
functions with open-source software.

A large portion of the supposed "need" for Windows is simply someone
feeling wedded to a specific, Windows-only application. And, as you
demonstrate with your mostly bogus list of limitations, ignorance also
plays a large part.

--
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like-what-we-give-you attitude. I like commodity markets in which iron-and-
silicon hawkers know that they exist to provide fast toys for software types
like me to play with..."
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:03:27 -0400, Linonut wrote:

> * Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> I'm pretty much up on things but the point is the Linux alternatives, if
>> they even exist, are just not as easy nor as polished and professional as
>> the Windows software.
>
> So what? That does not make the Windows versions necessities.

They do if you plan on using your computer for that kind of stuff and I
have news for you that stuff is VERY important to the typical consumer.
The computer is now an appliance of sorts and is used to interface with
these things.

People don't want to be bothered looking for a device that might work with
Linux.
They want the *red one* or the *blue one* and typically they read the
reviews online and buy.
Linux savvy people work differently and they typically look for Linux
supported devices and work from that point.

> Stick with Windows if you wish. Many people, however, do not wish to
> use it, and they find they can perform most, if not all, of the same
> functions with open-source software.

Not from what I see.
The process is nowhere as easy. The programs are generally not as powerful
and like I said above you have to carefully pick and choose your devices.

Here's another one, those wireless Lexmark printers they are advertising
all over the place.
Do they work with Linux?
Dop they work with ALL versions of Linux or just Redhat or Suse?
I don't know.
I do know they work with Windows though

> A large portion of the supposed "need" for Windows is simply someone
> feeling wedded to a specific, Windows-only application. And, as you
> demonstrate with your mostly bogus list of limitations, ignorance also
> plays a large part.

No it's not, it's what people use in daily life be it business, school or
personal use.
It goes well beyond web browsing, email and playing some mp3 files.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
* Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:

> They do if you plan on using your computer for that kind of stuff and
> I have news for you that stuff is VERY important to the typical
> consumer. The computer is now an appliance of sorts and is used to
> interface with these things.
>
> People don't want to be bothered looking for a device that might work
> with Linux. They want the *red one* or the *blue one* and typically
> they read the reviews online and buy. Linux savvy people work
> differently and they typically look for Linux supported devices and
> work from that point.
>
> Here's another one, those wireless Lexmark printers they are
> advertising all over the place. Do they work with Linux? Dop they
> work with ALL versions of Linux or just Redhat or Suse? I don't know.
> I do know they work with Windows though
>
> No it's not, it's what people use in daily life be it business, school
> or personal use. It goes well beyond web browsing, email and playing
> some mp3 files.

You raise some good points, but, guess what? They are mostly
/marketing/ issues.

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Linonut wrote:

>They are mostly /marketing/ issues.

Issues that vanish with pre-configured Linux packages from the OEM's,
something that Micro$oft, of course, has worked so hard to limit.
 
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:15:43 -0400, Linonut wrote:

> * Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> They do if you plan on using your computer for that kind of stuff and
>> I have news for you that stuff is VERY important to the typical
>> consumer. The computer is now an appliance of sorts and is used to
>> interface with these things.
>>
>> People don't want to be bothered looking for a device that might work
>> with Linux. They want the *red one* or the *blue one* and typically
>> they read the reviews online and buy. Linux savvy people work
>> differently and they typically look for Linux supported devices and
>> work from that point.
>>
>> Here's another one, those wireless Lexmark printers they are
>> advertising all over the place. Do they work with Linux? Dop they
>> work with ALL versions of Linux or just Redhat or Suse? I don't know.
>> I do know they work with Windows though
>>
>> No it's not, it's what people use in daily life be it business, school
>> or personal use. It goes well beyond web browsing, email and playing
>> some mp3 files.
>
> You raise some good points, but, guess what? They are mostly
> /marketing/ issues.

True, but to the user who has these things working with Windows, or has
friends who have these things working with Windows, it's going to be
perceived as a Linux problem.

--
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Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:34:04 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Linonut wrote:
>
>>They are mostly /marketing/ issues.
>
> Issues that vanish with pre-configured Linux packages from the OEM's,
> something that Micro$oft, of course, has worked so hard to limit.

So why not get cracking and contact these companies to offer your services.
Hadron had a great idea concerning this a couple of days ago.

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* Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:

> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:15:43 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>>
>> You raise some good points, but, guess what? They are mostly
>> /marketing/ issues.
>
> True, but to the user who has these things working with Windows, or has
> friends who have these things working with Windows, it's going to be
> perceived as a Linux problem.

Let's say a car has a new feature no other car has. Normally, some
people will buy it for that feature. Fairly quickly, others companies
will start adding the feature to their car. So there cannot be any
feature problem, for very long.

Same with a desktop platform. All that happens is that Linux users may
be behind the power curve on this or that feature for awhile.

Yet, in a car market, there's a fairly uniform distribution of sales,
then, even while people do without this or that car feature for awhile.

So what's not normal about the Windows market?

It is dominated by one vendor. If there were many desktop vendors,
people would not think of one vendor's feature set as being standard.
They would have to weigh more options.

With one vendor, people start to think of it as a standard, even in the
rare case where the person knows of alternatives. So no company can
play the feature game against that vendor. People are already committed
(or think they are) to the features provided by the dominant vendor.
And, if somebody comes out with a new feature, Microsoft appropriates
it. The little company has a lot of trouble gaining any traction,
because the vendors features have become standard simply by being
omnipresent.

Microsoft can't even play the features game against itself. Look what
happened with Vista. Some new features, but some loss of old features
that people have come to think of as the standard.

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almost gently. The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds and the pessimist fears this is true.
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* Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:

> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:34:04 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>
>> Linonut wrote:
>>
>>>They are mostly /marketing/ issues.
>>
>> Issues that vanish with pre-configured Linux packages from the OEM's,
>> something that Micro$oft, of course, has worked so hard to limit.
>
> So why not get cracking and contact these companies to offer your services.
> Hadron had a great idea concerning this a couple of days ago.

Unfortunately, Hadron's presentation tends to overshadow the merits of
his ideas.

Besides, you can't get any traction in any reasonable with a small time
vendor. Look at Ubuntu. It's taken the backing of a very wealthy man
to get it to be recognized as a potential alternative to Windows.

Even if Microsoft were to take a totally hands-off position on "the
competition", it would take years of full-time expensive labor to make a
big dent in the infrastructure that has grown up around Windows.

That doesn't mean no one should try. Microsoft needs their back to the
wall to do good code. Otherwise you get languishing projects such as
Internet Explorer through version 6.

--
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allow the camel to walk again.
 
Linonut wrote:

>Unfortunately, Hadron's presentation tends to overshadow the merits of
>his ideas.

Quack is a fsckwit.

>Besides, you can't get any traction in any reasonable with a small time
>vendor. Look at Ubuntu. It's taken the backing of a very wealthy man
>to get it to be recognized as a potential alternative to Windows.
>
>Even if Microsoft were to take a totally hands-off position on "the
>competition", it would take years of full-time expensive labor to make a
>big dent in the infrastructure that has grown up around Windows.
>
>That doesn't mean no one should try.

It's a tough "row to hoe", though... The OEM's do not dislike selling
Windows - it's more revenue for them.

For all of Linux' merits, it doesn't have that great of a business
case - unless, of course, customers really start demanding it (a trend
that we are strting to see).
 
On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:58:36 -0400, Linonut wrote:

> * Moshe Goldfarb. peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:34:04 -0500, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> Linonut wrote:
>>>
>>>>They are mostly /marketing/ issues.
>>>
>>> Issues that vanish with pre-configured Linux packages from the OEM's,
>>> something that Micro$oft, of course, has worked so hard to limit.
>>
>> So why not get cracking and contact these companies to offer your services.
>> Hadron had a great idea concerning this a couple of days ago.
>
> Unfortunately, Hadron's presentation tends to overshadow the merits of
> his ideas.

I still think you guys need to organize, gain some credibility and approach
the Linux unfriendly hardware and software companies and offer services.



> Besides, you can't get any traction in any reasonable with a small time
> vendor. Look at Ubuntu. It's taken the backing of a very wealthy man
> to get it to be recognized as a potential alternative to Windows.

I've said this from the start.
It takes money to make money and that's what Linux is lacking.
Ubuntu IMHO isn't the BEST general distribution out there.
PCLinuxOS is, but Ubuntu has the backing, the connections, the name etc.


> Even if Microsoft were to take a totally hands-off position on "the
> competition", it would take years of full-time expensive labor to make a
> big dent in the infrastructure that has grown up around Windows.

True.
It's a huge mountain to climb.

> That doesn't mean no one should try. Microsoft needs their back to the
> wall to do good code. Otherwise you get languishing projects such as
> Internet Explorer through version 6.

Like I've said, Vista and the black cloud that surrounds it is Linux's big
chance.
Linux and the community should focus on this instead of re-inventing the
wheel all the time.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:45:07 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Linonut wrote:
>
>>Unfortunately, Hadron's presentation tends to overshadow the merits of
>>his ideas.
>
> Quack is a fsckwit.
>
>>Besides, you can't get any traction in any reasonable with a small time
>>vendor. Look at Ubuntu. It's taken the backing of a very wealthy man
>>to get it to be recognized as a potential alternative to Windows.
>>
>>Even if Microsoft were to take a totally hands-off position on "the
>>competition", it would take years of full-time expensive labor to make a
>>big dent in the infrastructure that has grown up around Windows.
>>
>>That doesn't mean no one should try.
>
> It's a tough "row to hoe", though... The OEM's do not dislike selling
> Windows - it's more revenue for them.

OEM's and any other business will sell what *sells* and they will purge
what does not sell.

> For all of Linux' merits, it doesn't have that great of a business
> case - unless, of course, customers really start demanding it (a trend
> that we are strting to see).

It has no business case to average Joe other than being free and having
better security with less hassles.

To corporations it depends.
For a company who wants to customize their applications having the source
may be just the ticket.
For most though, having the source doesn't mean a hill of beans.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
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