Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

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"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
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> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
>> news:uN%23NKlDFIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>
>>> The same reason that GW Bush doesn't announce when he's NOT going to
>>> bomb somebody, because then there's nothing to worry about, is there?
>>> Are you know complaining that Linux doesn't constantly warn you when
>>> nothing is wrong?
>>>
>>> Christ almighty, what is wrong with this?
>>
>> Its a poor analogy? Who knows what else is wrong with what you said?
>>
>>> You are saying that someone with your claimed experience cannot
>>> understand a simple message like this one?
>>>
>>> http://www.tames.net/screenshot.jpg
>>
>> So which of those partitions has data on that is going to be destroyed?
>> Answer: none or one or both or the ones not listed, take your pick they
>> are all correct.
>
>
> There is no pleasing you. No matter what the answer you say but- "what
> if?'
> You're shown that the warning is there. Then you ask why is it there.

You have not read what I wrote.

With Ubuntu you get the same warning even if no data is going to be lost.
What this does is stop newbies from installing it as they are going to lose
data (even though they aren't).
The experienced user will ignore the message as he knows it is talking
rubbish when it says it is going to remove data and will delete his system.

The messages are wrong!

Its bad enough that they are cryptic but in the case of Ubuntu they are
*wrong* they do not apply to what is actually going to happen.
Is that clear enough?

If you read the posts you will even see where I posted what the messages
said for the example where I selected use the entire disk and use the free
space and they are the *same*.
 
"Doug W." <stand@attention> wrote in message
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> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit posting
> about it on this NG.

Stop screaming and kill the thread if you don't like it.

Click in the column with the specs on adjacent to the post until a red
no-entry sign appears if you don't know how.

Abracadabra no more posts in this thread.
 
Doug W. wrote:
> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit posting
> about it on this NG.
> -

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Alias wrote:
> Doug W. wrote:
>> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit posting
>> about it on this NG.
>> -
>
> New to Usenet?
>

This is why I hate this forum.
 
"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
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>
> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
> news:eu2QUSEFIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
>>> news:uN%23NKlDFIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The same reason that GW Bush doesn't announce when he's NOT going to
>>>> bomb somebody, because then there's nothing to worry about, is there?
>>>> Are you know complaining that Linux doesn't constantly warn you when
>>>> nothing is wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Christ almighty, what is wrong with this?
>>>
>>> Its a poor analogy? Who knows what else is wrong with what you said?
>>>
>>>> You are saying that someone with your claimed experience cannot
>>>> understand a simple message like this one?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tames.net/screenshot.jpg
>>>
>>> So which of those partitions has data on that is going to be destroyed?
>>> Answer: none or one or both or the ones not listed, take your pick they
>>> are all correct.
>>
>>
>> There is no pleasing you. No matter what the answer you say but- "what
>> if?'
>> You're shown that the warning is there. Then you ask why is it there.
>
> You have not read what I wrote.
>
> With Ubuntu you get the same warning even if no data is going to be lost.
> What this does is stop newbies from installing it as they are going to
> lose data (even though they aren't).
> The experienced user will ignore the message as he knows it is talking
> rubbish when it says it is going to remove data and will delete his
> system.
>
> The messages are wrong!
>
> Its bad enough that they are cryptic but in the case of Ubuntu they are
> *wrong* they do not apply to what is actually going to happen.
> Is that clear enough?
>
> If you read the posts you will even see where I posted what the messages
> said for the example where I selected use the entire disk and use the free
> space and they are the *same*.

It's up to the user to know what partitions are on what devices, so when the
installed gives the message that partition x will be formatted, the user
knows what was on that partition to start with.

The warning is a general warning, indicating to the user any change he has
made to a partition will result in the loss of any data on that drive.

You don't seem to be able to comprehend the messages in context. I can only
assume english is not your first language.
 
dobey wrote:
> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
> news:D4A33D23-205D-4B94-B259-9450A8473E3E@microsoft.com...
>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>> news:eu2QUSEFIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:uN%23NKlDFIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> The same reason that GW Bush doesn't announce when he's NOT going to
>>>>> bomb somebody, because then there's nothing to worry about, is there?
>>>>> Are you know complaining that Linux doesn't constantly warn you when
>>>>> nothing is wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> Christ almighty, what is wrong with this?
>>>> Its a poor analogy? Who knows what else is wrong with what you said?
>>>>
>>>>> You are saying that someone with your claimed experience cannot
>>>>> understand a simple message like this one?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tames.net/screenshot.jpg
>>>> So which of those partitions has data on that is going to be destroyed?
>>>> Answer: none or one or both or the ones not listed, take your pick they
>>>> are all correct.
>>>
>>> There is no pleasing you. No matter what the answer you say but- "what
>>> if?'
>>> You're shown that the warning is there. Then you ask why is it there.
>> You have not read what I wrote.
>>
>> With Ubuntu you get the same warning even if no data is going to be lost.
>> What this does is stop newbies from installing it as they are going to
>> lose data (even though they aren't).
>> The experienced user will ignore the message as he knows it is talking
>> rubbish when it says it is going to remove data and will delete his
>> system.
>>
>> The messages are wrong!
>>
>> Its bad enough that they are cryptic but in the case of Ubuntu they are
>> *wrong* they do not apply to what is actually going to happen.
>> Is that clear enough?
>>
>> If you read the posts you will even see where I posted what the messages
>> said for the example where I selected use the entire disk and use the free
>> space and they are the *same*.
>
> It's up to the user to know what partitions are on what devices, so when the
> installed gives the message that partition x will be formatted, the user
> knows what was on that partition to start with.
>
> The warning is a general warning, indicating to the user any change he has
> made to a partition will result in the loss of any data on that drive.
>
> You don't seem to be able to comprehend the messages in context. I can only
> assume english is not your first language.
>
>


Hehe, the simple fact is that even if the user should end up with a
"Dual Boot" system (Which is unlikely but Dennis knows best of course)
his "Data" has still been lost, in the sense that what he had originally
is no longer there. and without changing GRUB or something he probably
won't be able to use it. Claiming that "Use entire disk" and "Use free
space" are the same is simply lying, at least as far as my experience
demonstrates, the result is the "Same" if you get to that point and
cancel, it makes no changes, but if you understand what "Free Space"
means then the results are not. As for the answers being "Cryptic" I
don't see how anyone claiming Dennis' great experience and expertise on
all things OS could possibly be fooled.

Yes a complete idiot could mangle their system, just as they could by
not following the rather misleading "Start / Shutdown" procedure, or by
pulling the plug or having ActiveX install a virus. You may have heard
about the Lawyer's secretary who donated $1000s to a Nigerian
"Businessman" with access to someone's bank account. Fact is though that
most users (yes even just plain users) are not that stupid and those who
are will break something whatever.

Prediction:- "If" Dennis is correct Linux will get all the smart users
and Windows will get all the idiots, who have not yet broken their
systems but will, over and over again.
 
Charlie Tame wrote:

< snip >

> Prediction:- "If" Dennis is correct Linux will get all the smart users
> and Windows will get all the idiots, who have not yet broken their
> systems but will, over and over again.

Color me confused, but what exactly would change then?
Isn't that the situation we have right now?
--
Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product.
 
"dobey" <a@v.nox> wrote in message
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>
> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
> news:D4A33D23-205D-4B94-B259-9450A8473E3E@microsoft.com...
>>
>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>> news:eu2QUSEFIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:uN%23NKlDFIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The same reason that GW Bush doesn't announce when he's NOT going to
>>>>> bomb somebody, because then there's nothing to worry about, is there?
>>>>> Are you know complaining that Linux doesn't constantly warn you when
>>>>> nothing is wrong?
>>>>>
>>>>> Christ almighty, what is wrong with this?
>>>>
>>>> Its a poor analogy? Who knows what else is wrong with what you said?
>>>>
>>>>> You are saying that someone with your claimed experience cannot
>>>>> understand a simple message like this one?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tames.net/screenshot.jpg
>>>>
>>>> So which of those partitions has data on that is going to be destroyed?
>>>> Answer: none or one or both or the ones not listed, take your pick they
>>>> are all correct.
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no pleasing you. No matter what the answer you say but- "what
>>> if?'
>>> You're shown that the warning is there. Then you ask why is it there.
>>
>> You have not read what I wrote.
>>
>> With Ubuntu you get the same warning even if no data is going to be lost.
>> What this does is stop newbies from installing it as they are going to
>> lose data (even though they aren't).
>> The experienced user will ignore the message as he knows it is talking
>> rubbish when it says it is going to remove data and will delete his
>> system.
>>
>> The messages are wrong!
>>
>> Its bad enough that they are cryptic but in the case of Ubuntu they are
>> *wrong* they do not apply to what is actually going to happen.
>> Is that clear enough?
>>
>> If you read the posts you will even see where I posted what the messages
>> said for the example where I selected use the entire disk and use the
>> free space and they are the *same*.
>
> It's up to the user to know what partitions are on what devices, so when
> the installed gives the message that partition x will be formatted, the
> user knows what was on that partition to start with.
>
> The warning is a general warning, indicating to the user any change he has
> made to a partition will result in the loss of any data on that drive.
>
> You don't seem to be able to comprehend the messages in context. I can
> only assume english is not your first language.
>

They are the *same* even though different things are being done to the disk.
I assume that although English is your first language you don't bother to
read things properly.
 
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:13:33 -0600, Doug W. wrote:

> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit
> posting about it on this NG.

For gawds sake learn how to read headers
comp.os.linux.misc,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,comp.os.linux.advocacy,
24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

For gawds sake direct your comment to the window troll that cross posted
that way to create this thread.

For gawds sake stop shouting.

For gawds sake stop top posting.

For gawds sake trim your posts.

For gawds sake and so on and so on
 
For gawds sake bugger off and die.
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"Exeter" <netcon@abz.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:13:33 -0600, Doug W. wrote:
>
>> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit
>> posting about it on this NG.
>
> For gawds sake learn how to read headers
> comp.os.linux.misc,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> 24hoursupport.helpdesk,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
>
> For gawds sake direct your comment to the window troll that
> cross posted
> that way to create this thread.
>
> For gawds sake stop shouting.
>
> For gawds sake stop top posting.
>
> For gawds sake trim your posts.
>
> For gawds sake and so on and so on
 
In article <e71MZ$JFIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, greenjungle2007-
moron@yahoo.com.au.donotspam says...
> Alias wrote:
> > Doug W. wrote:
> >> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit posting
> >> about it on this NG.
> >> -
> >
> > New to Usenet?
> >
>
> This is why I hate this forum.

Just create a filter for your usenet client that removes, hides, for the
Microsoft Groups only, posts that contain the following and it will be a
MUCH nicer experience:

Subject contains "Linux"
Or
Subject contains "Ubuntu"
Or
Body contains "Ubuntu"
Or
Body contains "Linux"
Or
From contains "Adam Albright"

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <e71MZ$JFIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, greenjungle2007-
> moron@yahoo.com.au.donotspam says...
>> Alias wrote:
>>> Doug W. wrote:
>>>> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake quit posting
>>>> about it on this NG.
>>>> -
>>> New to Usenet?
>>>
>> This is why I hate this forum.
>
> Just create a filter for your usenet client that removes, hides, for the
> Microsoft Groups only, posts that contain the following and it will be a
> MUCH nicer experience:
>
> Subject contains "Linux"
> Or
> Subject contains "Ubuntu"
> Or
> Body contains "Ubuntu"
> Or
> Body contains "Linux"
> Or
> From contains "Adam Albright"
>

<LOL -- that about covers it. And make sure you get Adam Mosses <g>>
 
Yes, I know all about filters and a bit about idiots as
well...those who cross-post to every blinking NG on the planet
because THEIR spiel is so damned important and earth shaking.
-
Doug W.
-

"Adam He-Is-Mosses Albright"
<YesMossesIsAmongstUs@LetMyPeopleGo.net> wrote in message
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> Leythos wrote:
>> In article <e71MZ$JFIHA.4140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,
>> greenjungle2007-
>> moron@yahoo.com.au.donotspam says...
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>> Doug W. wrote:
>>>>> UBUNTU HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WINDOWS XP. For gawds sake
>>>>> quit posting about it on this NG.
>>>>> -
>>>> New to Usenet?
>>>>
>>> This is why I hate this forum.
>>
>> Just create a filter for your usenet client that removes,
>> hides, for the Microsoft Groups only, posts that contain the
>> following and it will be a MUCH nicer experience:
>>
>> Subject contains "Linux"
>> Or
>> Subject contains "Ubuntu"
>> Or
>> Body contains "Ubuntu"
>> Or
>> Body contains "Linux"
>> Or
>> From contains "Adam Albright"
>>
>
> <LOL -- that about covers it. And make sure you get Adam
> Mosses <g>>
 
"Rick" <none@nomail.com> stated in post 13hee7ebru8sn95@news.supernews.com
on 10/18/07 3:43 AM:

> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 07:24:13 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>
>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
>> news:uOSdnfizv4RUE4vanZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>>
>>> And honestly, I find "...this will destroy all data..." to be more than
>>> clear enough. If someone can't understand the meaning of that I wonder
>>> if they should be allowed to operate a toaster...nevermind actually
>>> installing an operating system.
>>
>> Well yes its perfectly clear as long as you know what "data" is. So even
>> a simple statement like that is assuming the user is computer literate.
>> I can easily see people thinking "well I didn't buy any data so I don't
>> have any to destroy".
>> Its easy to make assumptions when you know about a subject.
>
> If a person is that illiterate, that person should not install an
> operating system. Period. Not Windows. Not OS X. Not Linux. That person
> should take his box to a store or a technician or someone that know what
> they are doing.

A challenge Linux has that OS X and Windows do not is that most people who
use Linux do not have a machine with the OS pre-installed.


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