Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

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On 2007-10-17, Summercool <Summercoolness@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 11:44 pm, Peter Khlmann .
> wrote:
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>> > The fact that I can't show the warning is just evidence that it doesn't
>> > exist.
>>
>> The "fact" that you can't show the warning is evidence that you are lying.
>> Or too stupid to even attempt a linux install. Or both
>
> Ok, I never saw a warning. I started using computer since before
> Apple ][
> If some of you know, it is called the "Superboard", and I have used
> computer for 25 years. I can program all the way from micro-code,
> machine code, all the way to C, Java, Python, and Ruby.
>
> Anyways, I didn't see any warning, and the Ubuntu tech support said
> this is a bug that it didn't detect Vista.
>
> Also, the word "Partition" may have a strong "erasing the whole hard
> drive" connotation to the Linux guys. But it also may have a

No. It has a strong "destroy your data" connotation to anyone
that understand what disk partitioning is or anyone that's ever installed
an OS before.

This includes Windows and MacOS.

> "dividing the data" connotation to people. Depending on its usage,
> sometimes people may think that it is merely creating a new partition
> for the Linux installation. So between the two possible meanings, why
> assuming there is absolutely no confusion and just go ahead with the
> destructive action?

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"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:


>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...


>8<

>Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.

>Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I
>notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I select use
>the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.

>>>>>>>>>
>The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)

>The following partitions are going to be formatted:
>partition #1 of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3
>partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
><<<<<<<<<

>For use entire disk

>and

>>>>>>>>>>>
>The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)

>The following partitions are going to be formatted:
>partition #1 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3
>partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap

><<<<<<<<<<<


>For use largest free space.


>One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.

>Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?


The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win partition,
the ball game is over.
The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use the
whole disk.
 
"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>
>
>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
>
>>8<
>
>>Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>
>>Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I
>>notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I select
>>use
>>the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>>SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)
>
>>The following partitions are going to be formatted:
>>partition #1 of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3
>>partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>><<<<<<<<<
>
>>For use entire disk
>
>>and
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>>SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)
>
>>The following partitions are going to be formatted:
>>partition #1 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3
>>partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>
>><<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
>>For use largest free space.
>
>
>>One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>
>>Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>
>
> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win partition,
> the ball game is over.
> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use the
> whole disk.
>
>
As they are the warnings they are the problem.
There may be a need for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that
is an addition.
 
On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:22:23 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>
>>
>>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>>8<
>>
>>>Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>>
>>>Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I
>>>notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I
>>>select use
>>>the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>
>>
>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>(0,0,0)(sda)
>>
>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>><<<<<<<<<
>>
>>>For use entire disk
>>
>>>and
>>
>>
>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>(0,0,0)(sda)
>>
>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>
>>><<<<<<<<<<<
>>
>>
>>>For use largest free space.
>>
>>
>>>One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>
>>>Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>
>>
>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win
>> partition, the ball game is over.
>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use the
>> whole disk.
>>
>>
> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need for
> more warnings or just a better partitioner but that is an addition.

... or maybe if you don't know why you are partitioning, you shouldn't.



--
Rick
 
"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:


>"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>
>>
>>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>>8<
>>
>>>Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>>
>>>Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I
>>>notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I select
>>>use
>>>the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>>>SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)
>>
>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted:
>>>partition #1 of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3
>>>partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>><<<<<<<<<
>>
>>>For use entire disk
>>
>>>and
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>>>SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)
>>
>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted:
>>>partition #1 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3
>>>partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>
>>><<<<<<<<<<<
>>
>>
>>>For use largest free space.
>>
>>
>>>One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>
>>>Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>
>>
>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win partition,
>> the ball game is over.
>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use the
>> whole disk.
>>
>>
>As they are the warnings they are the problem.
>There may be a need for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that
>is an addition.

No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win partition
is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is irrelevant. It was
the repartitioning that destroyed the windows data. (Yes, I know that the
data is still there and that IF you managed to repartition the disk again
to exactly the same as it was before, you could recover the data, but that
is largely irrelevant to almost all users. It is the partitioning that
destroys the ability to access the data). Thus if there is no warning on
the repartitioning then that is where the problem lies.
 
"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>
>
>>"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>8<
>>>
>>>>Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>>>
>>>>Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I
>>>>notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I select
>>>>use
>>>>the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>>>>SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>
>>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted:
>>>>partition #1 of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3
>>>>partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>><<<<<<<<<
>>>
>>>>For use entire disk
>>>
>>>>and
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>>>>SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>
>>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted:
>>>>partition #1 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3
>>>>partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>
>>>><<<<<<<<<<<
>>>
>>>
>>>>For use largest free space.
>>>
>>>
>>>>One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>>
>>>>Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>>
>>>
>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
>>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win partition,
>>> the ball game is over.
>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use the
>>> whole disk.
>>>
>>>
>>As they are the warnings they are the problem.
>>There may be a need for more warnings or just a better partitioner but
>>that
>>is an addition.
>
> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win partition
> is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is irrelevant. It was
> the repartitioning that destroyed the windows data. (Yes, I know that the
> data is still there and that IF you managed to repartition the disk again
> to exactly the same as it was before, you could recover the data, but that
> is largely irrelevant to almost all users. It is the partitioning that
> destroys the ability to access the data). Thus if there is no warning on
> the repartitioning then that is where the problem lies.
>
>

Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions and then
applies the changes.
It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts up the
warning about destroying data.
If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I have
not checked myself).
Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users and in
the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
 
On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>
>>
>>>"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>8<
>>>>
>>>>>Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>>>>
>>>>>Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing
>>>>>I notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I
>>>>>select use
>>>>>the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>
>>>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>><<<<<<<<<
>>>>
>>>>>For use entire disk
>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>
>>>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>
>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>For use largest free space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>>>
>>>>>Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
>>>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win
>>>> partition, the ball game is over.
>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use
>>>> the whole disk.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need for
>>>more warnings or just a better partitioner but that
>>>is an addition.
>>
>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows data.
>> (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you managed to
>> repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it was before, you
>> could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant to almost all
>> users. It is the partitioning that destroys the ability to access the
>> data). Thus if there is no warning on the repartitioning then that is
>> where the problem lies.
>>
>>
>>
> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions and
> then applies the changes.

No, the user applies the changes.

> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts up
> the warning about destroying data.
> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I
> have not checked myself).
> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users and
> in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.

Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.

--
Rick
 
Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:

>On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>8<
>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing
>>>>>>I notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I
>>>>>>select use
>>>>>>the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>
>>>>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>><<<<<<<<<
>>>>>
>>>>>>For use entire disk
>>>>>
>>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>
>>>>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>
>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>For use largest free space.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
>>>>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win
>>>>> partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use
>>>>> the whole disk.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need for
>>>>more warnings or just a better partitioner but that
>>>>is an addition.
>>>
>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows data.
>>> (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you managed to
>>> repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it was before, you
>>> could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant to almost all
>>> users. It is the partitioning that destroys the ability to access the
>>> data). Thus if there is no warning on the repartitioning then that is
>>> where the problem lies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions and
>> then applies the changes.

>No, the user applies the changes.

>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts up
>> the warning about destroying data.
>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I
>> have not checked myself).
>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users and
>> in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.

>Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.

Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost) impossible to
find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing needs to be set up
to allow installation by users. If the installer does not give adequate
warning that things are going to be destroyed, it is the fault of the
installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and
whether or not they are adequate.

The user does NOT apply the changes. The user at best agrees to allow the
system to apply those changes. At worst he has no choice, other than the
choice to install.
 
Unruh wrote:
> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>
>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 8<
>>>>>>> Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>>>>>>> Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing
>>>>>>> I notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I
>>>>>>> select use
>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>> SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For use largest free space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>>>>>> Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
>>>>>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win
>>>>>> partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use
>>>>>> the whole disk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need for
>>>>> more warnings or just a better partitioner but that
>>>>> is an addition.
>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows data.
>>>> (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you managed to
>>>> repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it was before, you
>>>> could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant to almost all
>>>> users. It is the partitioning that destroys the ability to access the
>>>> data). Thus if there is no warning on the repartitioning then that is
>>>> where the problem lies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions and
>>> then applies the changes.
>
>> No, the user applies the changes.
>
>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts up
>>> the warning about destroying data.
>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I
>>> have not checked myself).
>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users and
>>> in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>
>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>
> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost) impossible to
> find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing needs to be set up
> to allow installation by users. If the installer does not give adequate
> warning that things are going to be destroyed, it is the fault of the
> installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and
> whether or not they are adequate.
>


If you have no idea whether they are adequate or
not, or even if they are given or not,
how can you even comment?
caver1
 
caver1 wrote:
> Unruh wrote:
>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:


>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost)
>> impossible to
>> find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing needs to be set up
>> to allow installation by users. If the installer does not give adequate
>> warning that things are going to be destroyed, it is the fault of the
>> installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and
>> whether or not they are adequate.
>
>
> If you have no idea whether they are adequate or not, or even if they
> are given or not,
> how can you even comment?
> caver1

The warnings on our local gasoline pumps are adequate but that doesn't
stop the occasional unforeseen error or some idiot setting themselves
alight.
 
caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:

>Unruh wrote:
>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 8<
>>>>>>>> Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>> Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing
>>>>>>>> I notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I
>>>>>>>> select use
>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>>> SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For use largest free space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>>>>>>> Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
>>>>>>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win
>>>>>>> partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use
>>>>>>> the whole disk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need for
>>>>>> more warnings or just a better partitioner but that
>>>>>> is an addition.
>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows data.
>>>>> (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you managed to
>>>>> repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it was before, you
>>>>> could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant to almost all
>>>>> users. It is the partitioning that destroys the ability to access the
>>>>> data). Thus if there is no warning on the repartitioning then that is
>>>>> where the problem lies.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions and
>>>> then applies the changes.
>>
>>> No, the user applies the changes.
>>
>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts up
>>>> the warning about destroying data.
>>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I
>>>> have not checked myself).
>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users and
>>>> in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>>
>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>>
>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost) impossible to
>> find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing needs to be set up
>> to allow installation by users. If the installer does not give adequate
>> warning that things are going to be destroyed, it is the fault of the
>> installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and
>> whether or not they are adequate.
>>


>If you have no idea whether they are adequate or
>not, or even if they are given or not,
>how can you even comment?

I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting on the previous
comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the conditional (If) I
seems from various comments that it does NOT give adequate warning, and the
warning that was posted was certainly well beyond the point at which a
warning should have been given. Do you have more information about what the
warning actually is?
 
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy,
Unruh <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
>>Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.

> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users.

Is that what he said?
he didn't say any, he said THOSE. Those being the ones so STUPID they'd try
to stop a chainsaw with their genitals if it didn't say not to on the label.

People like the original poster.

> It is (almost) impossible to
> find Linux preinstalled.

Then use it as a live CD until you can find a friend who knows what a disk
partition is.
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Unruh wrote:
> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:
>
>> Unruh wrote:
>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> 8<
>>>>>>>>> Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>>>>>>>>> Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing
>>>>>>>>> I notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I
>>>>>>>>> select use
>>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>> For use largest free space.
>>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
>>>>>>>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win
>>>>>>>> partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use
>>>>>>>> the whole disk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need for
>>>>>>> more warnings or just a better partitioner but that
>>>>>>> is an addition.
>>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows data.
>>>>>> (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you managed to
>>>>>> repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it was before, you
>>>>>> could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant to almost all
>>>>>> users. It is the partitioning that destroys the ability to access the
>>>>>> data). Thus if there is no warning on the repartitioning then that is
>>>>>> where the problem lies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions and
>>>>> then applies the changes.
>>>> No, the user applies the changes.
>>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts up
>>>>> the warning about destroying data.
>>>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I
>>>>> have not checked myself).
>>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users and
>>>>> in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost) impossible to
>>> find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing needs to be set up
>>> to allow installation by users. If the installer does not give adequate
>>> warning that things are going to be destroyed, it is the fault of the
>>> installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and
>>> whether or not they are adequate.
>>>
>
>
>> If you have no idea whether they are adequate or
>> not, or even if they are given or not,
>> how can you even comment?
>
> I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting on the previous
> comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the conditional (If) I
> seems from various comments that it does NOT give adequate warning, and the
> warning that was posted was certainly well beyond the point at which a
> warning should have been given. Do you have more information about what the
> warning actually is?


Here is a quote as I haven't figured out how to
get a screen shot in here,
"If you continue,the changes listed below
will be written to the
disks. Otherwise, you will be able to make further
changes manually.

Warning: This will destroy all data on any
partition you have removed as well as on the
partitions that are going to be formatted.
.................................
Write the changes to disk?"

caver1
 
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 01:03:24 +0000, Unruh wrote:

> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>
>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>8<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Having downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start
>>>>>>>installing I notice that I get the same warning screen (identical
>>>>>>>AFAICS) if I select use
>>>>>>>the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>>SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For use entire disk
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1 of
>>>>>>>SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For use largest free space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does anyone still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions were
>>>>>> created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your Win
>>>>>> partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to use
>>>>>> the whole disk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need
>>>>>for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that is an
>>>>>addition.
>>>>
>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows
>>>> data. (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you
>>>> managed to repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it was
>>>> before, you could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant to
>>>> almost all users. It is the partitioning that destroys the ability to
>>>> access the data). Thus if there is no warning on the repartitioning
>>>> then that is where the problem lies.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions
>>> and then applies the changes.
>
>>No, the user applies the changes.
>
>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts up
>>> the warning about destroying data.
>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I
>>> have not checked myself).
>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users
>>> and in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>
>>Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>
> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users.

IMO, it can easily be installed by most computer literate users. Those
users that shouldn't be installing LInux, also shouldn't be installing
Windows and maybe not even MacOS.

> It is (almost) impossible to find Linux preinstalled.

Well, there is Dell, if you look hard. :-)

> Thus the installation routing needs to be
> set up to allow installation by users. If the installer does not give
> adequate warning that things are going to be destroyed, it is the fault
> of the installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what warnings Ubuntu 7.1
> gives and whether or not they are adequate.

There have been screen shots posted in this thread.

>
> The user does NOT apply the changes. The user at best agrees to allow
> the system to apply those changes.

OK, the user makes the decision.

> At worst he has no choice, other than the choice to install.

The user has a number of choices. Go install Ubuntu somewhere.



--
Rick
 
On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:43:32 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

> caver1 wrote:
>> Unruh wrote:
>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>
>
>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost)
>>> impossible to
>>> find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing needs to be set
>>> up to allow installation by users. If the installer does not give
>>> adequate warning that things are going to be destroyed, it is the
>>> fault of the installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what warnings
>>> Ubuntu 7.1 gives and whether or not they are adequate.
>>
>>
>> If you have no idea whether they are adequate or not, or even if they
>> are given or not,
>> how can you even comment?
>> caver1
>
> The warnings on our local gasoline pumps are adequate but that doesn't
> stop the occasional unforeseen error or some idiot setting themselves
> alight.

.... then the warnings are adequate and the idiot shouldn't be pumping gas.



--
Rick
 
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:45:54 +0000, Unruh wrote:

> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:
>
>>Unruh wrote:
>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 8<
>>>>>>>>> Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant. Having
>>>>>>>>> downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I
>>>>>>>>> notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if
>>>>>>>>> I select use
>>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1
>>>>>>>>> of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as
>>>>>>>>> swap <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #1
>>>>>>>>> of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>> as swap <<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For use largest free space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>> still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions
>>>>>>>> were created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your
>>>>>>>> Win partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to
>>>>>>>> use the whole disk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a need
>>>>>>> for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that is an
>>>>>>> addition.
>>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows
>>>>>> data. (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you
>>>>>> managed to repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it was
>>>>>> before, you could recover the data, but that is largely irrelevant
>>>>>> to almost all users. It is the partitioning that destroys the
>>>>>> ability to access the data). Thus if there is no warning on the
>>>>>> repartitioning then that is where the problem lies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions
>>>>> and then applies the changes.
>>>
>>>> No, the user applies the changes.
>>>
>>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts
>>>>> up the warning about destroying data.
>>>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I
>>>>> have not checked myself).
>>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users
>>>>> and in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>>>
>>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>>>
>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost)
>>> impossible to find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing
>>> needs to be set up to allow installation by users. If the installer
>>> does not give adequate warning that things are going to be destroyed,
>>> it is the fault of the installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what
>>> warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and whether or not they are adequate.
>>>
>>>
>
>>If you have no idea whether they are adequate or not, or even if they
>>are given or not, how can you even comment?
>
> I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting on the
> previous comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the
> conditional (If) I seems from various comments that it does NOT give
> adequate warning, and the warning that was posted was certainly well
> beyond the point at which a warning should have been given. Do you have
> more information about what the warning actually is?

There have been at least 2 screenshots posted.

The original poster's:
<http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg>

And another:
<http://www.saunalahti.fi/pirisisi/test/kubuntuinstallation.png>

The second is a kubuntu install.

--
Rick
 
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:18:14 -0400, caver1 wrote:

> Unruh wrote:
>> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:
>>
>>> Unruh wrote:
>>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... 8<
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant. Having
>>>>>>>>>> downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I
>>>>>>>>>> notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if
>>>>>>>>>> I select use
>>>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space. The
>>>>>>>>>> partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition
>>>>>>>>>> #1 of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of
>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition
>>>>>>>>>> #1 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of
>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap <<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>> For use largest free space.
>>>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>>> still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions
>>>>>>>>> were created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your
>>>>>>>>> Win partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to
>>>>>>>>> use the whole disk.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a
>>>>>>>> need for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that is
>>>>>>>> an addition.
>>>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows
>>>>>>> data. (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you
>>>>>>> managed to repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it
>>>>>>> was before, you could recover the data, but that is largely
>>>>>>> irrelevant to almost all users. It is the partitioning that
>>>>>>> destroys the ability to access the data). Thus if there is no
>>>>>>> warning on the repartitioning then that is where the problem lies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions
>>>>>> and then applies the changes.
>>>>> No, the user applies the changes.
>>>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts
>>>>>> up the warning about destroying data.
>>>>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made,
>>>>>> I have not checked myself).
>>>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users
>>>>>> and in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>>>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost)
>>>> impossible to find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing
>>>> needs to be set up to allow installation by users. If the installer
>>>> does not give adequate warning that things are going to be destroyed,
>>>> it is the fault of the installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what
>>>> warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and whether or not they are adequate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>> If you have no idea whether they are adequate or not, or even if they
>>> are given or not, how can you even comment?
>>
>> I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting on the
>> previous comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the
>> conditional (If) I seems from various comments that it does NOT give
>> adequate warning, and the warning that was posted was certainly well
>> beyond the point at which a warning should have been given. Do you have
>> more information about what the warning actually is?
>
>
> Here is a quote as I haven't figured out how to get a screen shot in
> here,
> "If you continue,the changes listed below
> will be written to the
> disks. Otherwise, you will be able to make further changes manually.
>
> Warning: This will destroy all data on any partition you have removed
> as well as on the partitions that are going to be formatted.
> ................................
> Write the changes to disk?"
>
> caver1

There are several web sites that allow you to post pictures. You could
get an account, post screen shots there, and post a url.



--
Rick
 
Rick wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:18:14 -0400, caver1 wrote:
>
>> Unruh wrote:
>>> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Unruh wrote:
>>>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... 8<
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway we will forget licenses as that is irrelevant. Having
>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I
>>>>>>>>>>> notice that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if
>>>>>>>>>>> I select use
>>>>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space. The
>>>>>>>>>>> partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition
>>>>>>>>>>> #1 of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of
>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition
>>>>>>>>>>> #1 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of
>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap <<<<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>> For use largest free space.
>>>>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>>>> still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions
>>>>>>>>>> were created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your
>>>>>>>>>> Win partition, the ball game is over.
>>>>>>>>>> The place that the warning should occur is when you tell it to
>>>>>>>>>> use the whole disk.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a
>>>>>>>>> need for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that is
>>>>>>>>> an addition.
>>>>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows
>>>>>>>> data. (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you
>>>>>>>> managed to repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it
>>>>>>>> was before, you could recover the data, but that is largely
>>>>>>>> irrelevant to almost all users. It is the partitioning that
>>>>>>>> destroys the ability to access the data). Thus if there is no
>>>>>>>> warning on the repartitioning then that is where the problem lies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more questions
>>>>>>> and then applies the changes.
>>>>>> No, the user applies the changes.
>>>>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it puts
>>>>>>> up the warning about destroying data.
>>>>>>> If you abort no changes are made (or none are supposed to be made,
>>>>>>> I have not checked myself).
>>>>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of users
>>>>>>> and in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>>>>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>>>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost)
>>>>> impossible to find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation routing
>>>>> needs to be set up to allow installation by users. If the installer
>>>>> does not give adequate warning that things are going to be destroyed,
>>>>> it is the fault of the installer. It is a bug. I have no idea what
>>>>> warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and whether or not they are adequate.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If you have no idea whether they are adequate or not, or even if they
>>>> are given or not, how can you even comment?
>>> I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting on the
>>> previous comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the
>>> conditional (If) I seems from various comments that it does NOT give
>>> adequate warning, and the warning that was posted was certainly well
>>> beyond the point at which a warning should have been given. Do you have
>>> more information about what the warning actually is?
>>
>> Here is a quote as I haven't figured out how to get a screen shot in
>> here,
>> "If you continue,the changes listed below
>> will be written to the
>> disks. Otherwise, you will be able to make further changes manually.
>>
>> Warning: This will destroy all data on any partition you have removed
>> as well as on the partitions that are going to be formatted.
>> ................................
>> Write the changes to disk?"
>>
>> caver1
>
> There are several web sites that allow you to post pictures. You could
> get an account, post screen shots there, and post a url.
>
>
>


Its not really worth getting another account
somewhere just to refute someones
constant "what if".
What if the world was flat. Just because you say
it isn't why should I believe you?
After all I'm blind and can't see it for myself.
caver1
 
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:36:58 -0400, caver1 wrote:

> Rick wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:18:14 -0400, caver1 wrote:
>>
>>> Unruh wrote:
>>>> caver1 <caver@inthemud.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Unruh wrote:
>>>>>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:21:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:G%tSi.22040$GO5.20439@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Unruh" <unruh-spam@physics.ubc.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:fzrSi.22002$GO5.6664@edtnps90...
>>>>>>>>>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:%23QMATTYEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... 8< Anyway we
>>>>>>>>>>>> will forget licenses as that is irrelevant. Having downloaded
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu 7.10 and finally got it to start installing I notice
>>>>>>>>>>>> that I get the same warning screen (identical AFAICS) if I
>>>>>>>>>>>> select use
>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole disk or if I select use the biggest free space. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> partition tables of the following devices are changed: SCSI1
>>>>>>>>>>>> (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition
>>>>>>>>>>>> #1 of SCSI1(,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of
>>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap <<<<<<<<<
>>>>>>>>>>>> For use entire disk
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> The partition tables of the following devices are changed:
>>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1 (0,0,0)(sda)
>>>>>>>>>>>> The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition
>>>>>>>>>>>> #1 of SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as ext3 partition #5 of
>>>>>>>>>>>> SCSI1(0,0,0)(sda) as swap <<<<<<<<<<< For use largest free
>>>>>>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>>>>>>> One will erase my windows server 2008 one won't. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> still think the warnings are OK?
>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is NOT there. There problem is when the partitions
>>>>>>>>>>> were created. Once they have been createdi so as to cover your
>>>>>>>>>>> Win partition, the ball game is over. The place that the
>>>>>>>>>>> warning should occur is when you tell it to use the whole
>>>>>>>>>>> disk.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As they are the warnings they are the problem. There may be a
>>>>>>>>>> need for more warnings or just a better partitioner but that is
>>>>>>>>>> an addition.
>>>>>>>>> No. Once you have repartitioned the disk, the data from you win
>>>>>>>>> partition is gone. defunct, non-existant. formatting the disk is
>>>>>>>>> irrelevant. It was the repartitioning that destroyed the windows
>>>>>>>>> data. (Yes, I know that the data is still there and that IF you
>>>>>>>>> managed to repartition the disk again to exactly the same as it
>>>>>>>>> was before, you could recover the data, but that is largely
>>>>>>>>> irrelevant to almost all users. It is the partitioning that
>>>>>>>>> destroys the ability to access the data). Thus if there is no
>>>>>>>>> warning on the repartitioning then that is where the problem
>>>>>>>>> lies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux sets up the partitions in ram, then asks a few more
>>>>>>>> questions and then applies the changes.
>>>>>>> No, the user applies the changes.
>>>>>>>> It is at the point just before it applies the changes that it
>>>>>>>> puts up the warning about destroying data. If you abort no
>>>>>>>> changes are made (or none are supposed to be made, I have not
>>>>>>>> checked myself).
>>>>>>>> Its just that the warnings are inadequate for the majority of
>>>>>>>> users and in the case of Ubuntu 7.10 wrong.
>>>>>>> Then maybe those users should not be installing operating systems.
>>>>>> Oh nuts. Linux can ONLY be installed by users. It is (almost)
>>>>>> impossible to find Linux preinstalled. Thus the installation
>>>>>> routing needs to be set up to allow installation by users. If the
>>>>>> installer does not give adequate warning that things are going to
>>>>>> be destroyed, it is the fault of the installer. It is a bug. I have
>>>>>> no idea what warnings Ubuntu 7.1 gives and whether or not they are
>>>>>> adequate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> If you have no idea whether they are adequate or not, or even if
>>>>> they are given or not, how can you even comment?
>>>> I just did. and if you read it, you notice I was commenting on the
>>>> previous comment not giving facts about Ubuntu. Notice also the
>>>> conditional (If) I seems from various comments that it does NOT give
>>>> adequate warning, and the warning that was posted was certainly well
>>>> beyond the point at which a warning should have been given. Do you
>>>> have more information about what the warning actually is?
>>>
>>> Here is a quote as I haven't figured out how to get a screen shot in
>>> here,
>>> "If you continue,the changes listed below
>>> will be written to the
>>> disks. Otherwise, you will be able to make further changes manually.
>>>
>>> Warning: This will destroy all data on any partition you have removed
>>> as well as on the partitions that are going to be formatted.
>>> ................................
>>> Write the changes to disk?"
>>>
>>> caver1
>>
>> There are several web sites that allow you to post pictures. You could
>> get an account, post screen shots there, and post a url.
>>
>
> Its not really worth getting another account somewhere just to refute
> someones
> constant "what if".
> What if the world was flat. Just because you say it isn't why should I
> believe you?
> After all I'm blind and can't see it for myself. caver1

I was just making a suggestion ...



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Rick
 
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