Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

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Richard Urban wrote:
> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>
> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>
> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are
> vulnerable!
>

I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

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In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> Richard Urban wrote:
> > So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
> >
> > Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
> >
> > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
> >
> > People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are
> > vulnerable!
> >
>
> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
decades of warnings.

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"The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'"
<none@non.not> wrote in message news:fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org...
> Richard Urban wrote:
>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>>
>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>>
>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>>
>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are
>> vulnerable!
>>
>
> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs who
> ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about ubuntu is
> now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run out of the
> group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

Not fair. The attacks on the linux servers were used to attack other
machines

One of Microsoft's main focuses is that Linux boxes can and do host Virii
that attck windows boxes too. They don't seem to care if the linux hosts
aren't affected for the most part. That's the double standard. Should I care
if my server attacks yours, if it doesn't affect mine?

The servers also weren't patched or kept up to date. Another thing
that MS has over Linux. If their admins were more responsible, then
this issue never would have happened. I used to use Linux exclusively.
When I was an admin, my servers were always up to date. Now I use
Microsoft clients. They are simply easier to maintain, and MS patches
everything, including pirated systems, to keep the windows community safe
from attacks from within.

Conflict here? Yeah, but not what you would think...

Curtis
 
Leythos wrote:
> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>>>
>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>>>
>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>>>
>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are
>>> vulnerable!
>>>
>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?
>
> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
> decades of warnings.
>

How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

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Curtis D. Levin wrote:
> "The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'"
> <none@non.not> wrote in message news:fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org...
>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>>>
>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>>>
>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>>>
>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are
>>> vulnerable!
>>>
>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs who
>> ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about ubuntu is
>> now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run out of the
>> group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?
>
> Not fair. The attacks on the linux servers were used to attack other
> machines
>
> One of Microsoft's main focuses is that Linux boxes can and do host Virii
> that attck windows boxes too. They don't seem to care if the linux hosts
> aren't affected for the most part. That's the double standard. Should I care
> if my server attacks yours, if it doesn't affect mine?
>
> The servers also weren't patched or kept up to date. Another thing
> that MS has over Linux. If their admins were more responsible, then
> this issue never would have happened. I used to use Linux exclusively.
> When I was an admin, my servers were always up to date. Now I use
> Microsoft clients. They are simply easier to maintain, and MS patches
> everything, including pirated systems, to keep the windows community safe
> from attacks from within.
>
> Conflict here? Yeah, but not what you would think...
>
> Curtis
>

How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

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The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...
> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by doing
> something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
probably wasn't pro vista.

The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't
bulletproof. The other issue, of more importance, is that
all operating systems are potentially flawed. MS
users are lucky that they were attacked so much. MS
is constantly patching the system to keep it secure, and it
is a pretty streamlined and automated process. Other Os's
have patches available, but sometimes people don't do
what they should and things happen.

I liked Linux when I used to run it. It is a pretty good OS
and has some neat features. But I dislike how some
people have packaged other people's work and sold it
while the people who did the work get nothing. Not
any kind of ideal I'd like to support if I am going to
try and make a living here. I didn't mind it when it was
all free, but now, with so many systems being sold,
and so many changes, it is totally removed from what it
once was. And there's no real benefits at all to using it.
You still end up paying for the stuff you really want.

Might as well use something that has some real support.
Something more reliable than " well maybe it'll happen,
if this other dude does it, you know.." I'm not paying
for that. Heck, I'd rather pay for Vista than download that
for free.

I'd like to think that there's more content there than
"Vista Sucks, get UBUNTU." as well. And since this
is a pro vista group, it's only right that we should praise
Vista. If you want to praise Ubuntu, do it in their group.

Watch the cookies in Vista. The only thing I've had
issues with. Pc-cillen is now scheduled to run daily
spyware scans. Yesterday, i think it found like 14?

Slowed my system down bad until I scanned it. Now
all is well again.

Curtis
 
Curtis D. Levin wrote:
> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...
>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by doing
>> something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>
> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
> probably wasn't pro vista.

Non-issue, has no bearing on this subject whether someone posting an off
topic post without even labeling it as an OT post is pro vista or not.

>
> The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't
> bulletproof.

Non-issue, not related to Vista.

> The other issue, of more importance, is that
> all operating systems are potentially flawed. MS
> users are lucky that they were attacked so much. MS
> is constantly patching the system to keep it secure, and it
> is a pretty streamlined and automated process. Other Os's
> have patches available, but sometimes people don't do
> what they should and things happen.

This group is NOT about all OSes, it's about vista.
<snip more OT stuff>

>
> I'd like to think that there's more content there than
> "Vista Sucks, get UBUNTU." as well. And since this
> is a pro vista group, it's only right that we should praise
> Vista. If you want to praise Ubuntu, do it in their group.

I don't praise Ubuntu. It doesn't matter what who is saying about
ubuntu here, the fact is that it is off topic and this OP is a hypocrate
for chasing someone else off of this group who posted about ubuntu, then
posting about ubuntu.

> Curtis
>
>

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In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> >> Richard Urban wrote:
> >>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
> >>>
> >>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
> >>>
> >>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are
> >>> vulnerable!
> >>>
> >> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
> >> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
> >> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
> >> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?
> >
> > I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
> > secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
> > that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
> > be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
> > problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
> > decades of warnings.
> >
>
> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
they claim.

My guess is that you'll not see any (or very few) posts sourcing
information about Linux after a week.

You have to admit, it was a very disruptive amount of crap because of
zealotry in the OS.

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>>>>>
>>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are
>>>>> vulnerable!
>>>>>
>>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?
>>>
>>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
>>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
>>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
>>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
>>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
>>> decades of warnings.
>>>
>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>
> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
> they claim.

What is the point of refuting a claim made by a poster who no longer
posts in this group? Is there some strange MVP time machine we don't
know about or something?

And if he is going to "refute a claim" as you put it, why would the OP
not reply to a post that made that claim?

So if as you claim, he is refuting a claim which has not been made in
this group recently by a poster who doesn't post here anymore...

Still none of this explains away or justifies why he is posting about a
subject that he had through mob action with other posters harassed
another poster out of the group for.

>
> My guess is that you'll not see any (or very few) posts sourcing
> information about Linux after a week.
>
> You have to admit, it was a very disruptive amount of crap because of
> zealotry in the OS.
>

If you are going to respond to my posts, please have the courtesy to
address the issue at hand and not sidestep the subject with your response.

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In article <fa4up0$td$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> >> Leythos wrote:
> >>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> >>>> Richard Urban wrote:
> >>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
> >>>>>
> >>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are
> >>>>> vulnerable!
> >>>>>
> >>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
> >>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
> >>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
> >>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?
> >>>
> >>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
> >>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
> >>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
> >>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
> >>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
> >>> decades of warnings.
> >>>
> >> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
> >> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
> >
> > Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
> > topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
> > that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
> > they claim.
>
> What is the point of refuting a claim made by a poster who no longer
> posts in this group? Is there some strange MVP time machine we don't
> know about or something?

Because this is a PUBLIC group read all over the world and some people
may fall for the zealotry mantra of the ignorant.

> And if he is going to "refute a claim" as you put it, why would the OP
> not reply to a post that made that claim?

No idea, many people don't feel the need to reply.

> So if as you claim, he is refuting a claim which has not been made in
> this group recently by a poster who doesn't post here anymore...
>
> Still none of this explains away or justifies why he is posting about a
> subject that he had through mob action with other posters harassed
> another poster out of the group for.

LOL - Alias left, if he left, because he lost what ever motivated him to
spout discontent and anything anti-MS like he's been doing for years.

> > My guess is that you'll not see any (or very few) posts sourcing
> > information about Linux after a week.
> >
> > You have to admit, it was a very disruptive amount of crap because of
> > zealotry in the OS.
> >
>
> If you are going to respond to my posts, please have the courtesy to
> address the issue at hand and not sidestep the subject with your response.

So stop trolling then.

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> Richard Urban wrote:
>> > So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>> >
>> > Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>> >
>> > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>> >
>> > People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems
>> > are
>> > vulnerable!
>> >
>>
>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?
>
> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
> that the masses with Windows have.

It was "rooted" at all. Someone just brute forced their way in. Trying
combination after combination (probably root + a generated password, etc etc
etc etc...) until they got in. Anyone watching the logs would of caught onto
this quickly.

The problem wasn't Linux at all, it was lack of admins paying attention. Get
over it.
 
"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.212fc5ecf8f7e8289898fe@adfree.Usenet.com...
> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>> > In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>> >> Richard Urban wrote:
>> >>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>> >>>
>> >>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems
>> >>> are
>> >>> vulnerable!
>> >>>
>> >> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>> >> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>> >> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>> >> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard
>> >> here)?
>> >
>> > I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
>> > secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
>> > that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
>> > be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
>> > problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
>> > decades of warnings.
>> >
>>
>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>
> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
> they claim.

The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless
admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how
often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?
 
In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

Interesting to see that you felt it was important to direct this thread
to a group it wasn't part of.

Richard posted to Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

And you've changed the thread to include:
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

Why did you feel the need to start trolling the group that way?
Certainly you just made it off-topic like you're complaining.

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"Curtis D. Levin" <cdlevin@spammelater.bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...
>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by doing
>> something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>
> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but
> probably wasn't pro vista.
>
> The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't
> bulletproof.

For the most part it is. How ever the article wasn't about a security
problem in Linux, rather about admins at some data center not doing thier
jobs. That's a world of a difference.
 
In article <5imefqF3m3hpaU1@mid.individual.net>, louis@h4h.com says...
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.212fc5ecf8f7e8289898fe@adfree.Usenet.com...
> > In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> >> Leythos wrote:
> >> > In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> >> >> Richard Urban wrote:
> >> >>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
> >> >>>
> >> >>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems
> >> >>> are
> >> >>> vulnerable!
> >> >>>
> >> >> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
> >> >> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
> >> >> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
> >> >> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard
> >> >> here)?
> >> >
> >> > I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
> >> > secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
> >> > that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
> >> > be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
> >> > problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
> >> > decades of warnings.
> >> >
> >>
> >> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
> >> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
> >
> > Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
> > topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
> > that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
> > they claim.
>
> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless
> admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how
> often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?

And that would follow the ignorant masses problem that all OS's suffer.
which is the point of my post. You have Zealots stating the XYZ is safer
and that it can't be hacked and then when they are disproven, for the
same reasons that many Windows boxes are hacked, they get disgruntled.

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Wayne Poe wrote:
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.212fc5ecf8f7e8289898fe@adfree.Usenet.com...
>> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> vulnerable!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>>>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>>>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>>>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard
>>>>> here)?
>>>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
>>>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
>>>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
>>>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
>>>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
>>>> decades of warnings.
>>>>
>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
>> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
>> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
>> they claim.
>
> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless
> admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how
> often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?
>
>

So how is this not off topic?

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>
> Interesting to see that you felt it was important to direct this thread
> to a group it wasn't part of.
>
> Richard posted to Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
>
> And you've changed the thread to include:
> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
>
> Why did you feel the need to start trolling the group that way?
> Certainly you just made it off-topic like you're complaining.
>

You are trying to change the subject again. Did you forget to take your
ADD medication this morning?

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <5imefqF3m3hpaU1@mid.individual.net>, louis@h4h.com says...
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.212fc5ecf8f7e8289898fe@adfree.Usenet.com...
>>> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> vulnerable!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs
>>>>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about
>>>>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run
>>>>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard
>>>>>> here)?
>>>>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being
>>>>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity
>>>>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to
>>>>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same
>>>>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the
>>>>> decades of warnings.
>>>>>
>>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by
>>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?
>>> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-
>>> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those
>>> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what
>>> they claim.
>> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless
>> admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how
>> often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?
>
> And that would follow the ignorant masses problem that all OS's suffer.
> which is the point of my post. You have Zealots stating the XYZ is safer
> and that it can't be hacked and then when they are disproven, for the
> same reasons that many Windows boxes are hacked, they get disgruntled.
>

You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?

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"Wayne Poe" <louis@h4h.com> wrote in message
news:5imefqF3m3hpaU1@mid.individual.net...
> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was
> clueless admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in.
> Just how often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows,
> hmmm?

Ah, but clueless admins are a security problem, because the
machines they administer were attacking others. By others,
I would wager that it was probably us.

In the amateur service ( ham radio ) you are held liable for
what it is your station does. Too bad the internet isn't
regulated the same way. Imagine being held responsible for
someone using your stuff wrong. Might keep you on your toes.

Curtis
 
In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...
> You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is
> it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?

How about you clean up your act before you start complaining about
others. You added the windowsxp.general group to this thread without
notice, for no good reason, to stir up more crap.



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