Re: Does linux support my new widescreen monitor

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"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
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> Probably not on Debian actually but see this is what you are missing.
> Beryl, Compiz and a couple of others are NOT finished products and the
> community does NOT release them pretending that they are. I said, which
> you and Dennis apparently cannot interpret, "Getting easier", I did not
> say perfect...

I think its you that doesn't understand.. Linux is unfinished and it
probably will remain that way as there will always be a new windows manager
in the wings.. shame they don't fix the simple things first. However they
won't as the existing Linux users and developers can't grasp how hard it is
for a newbie to install and use Linux. How do they expect Linux to actually
take over the desktop when they can't understand something so simple? Its
not rocket science, its understanding your target users. If you look at the
possible users M$ targets 100% while Linux might target 1-2%. Now if you
look at the one laptop per child initiative they are targeting their users
and are using "linux" howevr they have done a proper job and hidden all the
cr@p that you get with most Linux distros.

>> Fortunately the "advocates" here are not in charge of prioritising bug
>> fixes. If so, we would all be tweaking the MBR and xorg.conf from now
>> until eternity.
>
> I have had far worse challenges trying to get things to work under Vista.
>

Are they more difficult or do you just not know how?
People always find things the know easy, just ask a rocket scientist if its
difficult (PS no it isn't).
It would be a waste of time asking you what needs to change in Linux to make
it more acceptable to new users, unfortunately it is people like you that
will be asked and who will guide Linux in the wrong direction.
Its damn hard knowing how simple to make a system.. I know I have worked on
systems that are expected^W required to work for *all* people, not just
people who have been using the product for six months.
 
dennis@home wrote:
>
> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
> news:uqO3FVy$HHA.5868@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> running on fixed hardware and none of this compatibility afford a
>>>> computer. Its worth remembering that incompatible hardware is the
>>>> price we pay for having so much choice and it could have been so
>>>> different if M$ had sold exclusive rights to windows/dos to IBM, no
>>>> affordable clones, no internet as we know it, no linux..
>>>
>>> And then AmigA would of ruled the world as it was ment to.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> True enough, always makes me smile when they accuse MS of stealing
>> from Apple, it was actually Workbench and Intuition they stole :)
>
> Apple stole it from Xerox even down to the one button mouse.
> How a thief has the nerve to accuse someone else of stealing what they
> stole I will never understand.
> Must be a lack of morals I suppose.

Interesting. I wonder why back in 84, if you wanted to buy a Mac in
Venezuela, you had to buy it from a company called Team Apple-Xerox?

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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:02:09 +0100, dennis@home wrote:

>
> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
> news:OUARBay$HHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>> Probably not on Debian actually but see this is what you are missing.
>> Beryl, Compiz and a couple of others are NOT finished products and the
>> community does NOT release them pretending that they are. I said, which
>> you and Dennis apparently cannot interpret, "Getting easier", I did not
>> say perfect...
>
> I think its you that doesn't understand.. Linux is unfinished and it
> probably will remain that way as there will always be a new windows manager
> in the wings.. shame they don't fix the simple things first. However they
> won't as the existing Linux users and developers can't grasp how hard it is
> for a newbie to install and use Linux. How do they expect Linux to actually

The thing is, it's *not* hard, even for a newbiew, to install and use
Linux. I don't know why this keeps being repeated, when it's so manifestly
not true.

If someone is putting Linux on a machine where they aren't worried about
losing the existing OS, nothing could be simpler. In most cases, put the
CD or DVD into the machine and reboot. HOw is that hard?

If there's aneed to partition first, then yes, that's alittle more
daunting, but that goes for Windows too.

> take over the desktop when they can't understand something so simple?

How is Linux any harder to use than Windows? In general usage, they are
virtually the same - move a mouse and click on menus or icons. Providing
all is set up correctly to start with, little or no recourse to the
command line should be required. Apps may be different, but they don
similar things in largely similar ways, and quite a few of the core FOSS
apps are available to Windows users anyway.

> Its not rocket science, its understanding your target users. If you look
> at the possible users M$ targets 100% while Linux might target 1-2%. Now
> if you look at the one laptop per child initiative they are targeting
> their users and are using "linux" howevr they have done a proper job and
> hidden all the cr@p that you get with most Linux distros.

Not sure what crap you're referring to.

>
>>> Fortunately the "advocates" here are not in charge of prioritising bug
>>> fixes. If so, we would all be tweaking the MBR and xorg.conf from now
>>> until eternity.
>>
>> I have had far worse challenges trying to get things to work under Vista.
>>
>
> Are they more difficult or do you just not know how?

Exactly. Linux is just the same. It's not 'difficult' to use, merely
unfamiliar. If you've been used to Windows, you might need to find your
way around in a different fashion, but it's no harder than Windows.

> People always find things the know easy, just ask a rocket scientist if its
> difficult (PS no it isn't).
> It would be a waste of time asking you what needs to change in Linux to make
> it more acceptable to new users, unfortunately it is people like you that
> will be asked and who will guide Linux in the wrong direction.

So, what do you consider the right direction to be? Bear in mind that most
Linux users and developers don't want to see Linux become another lazy
clone of Windows.

--
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* dennis@home:
> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
> news:OUARBay$HHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>> Probably not on Debian actually but see this is what you are missing.
>> Beryl, Compiz and a couple of others are NOT finished products and the
>> community does NOT release them pretending that they are. I said, which
>> you and Dennis apparently cannot interpret, "Getting easier", I did not
>> say perfect...
>
> I think its you that doesn't understand.. Linux is unfinished and it
> probably will remain that way as there will always be a new windows manager
> in the wings.. shame they don't fix the simple things first. However they
> won't as the existing Linux users and developers can't grasp how hard it is
> for a newbie to install and use Linux. How do they expect Linux to actually
> take over the desktop when they can't understand something so simple? Its
> not rocket science, its understanding your target users. If you look at the
> possible users M$ targets 100% while Linux might target 1-2%. Now if you
> look at the one laptop per child initiative they are targeting their users
> and are using "linux" howevr they have done a proper job and hidden all the
> cr@p that you get with most Linux distros.
>
>>> Fortunately the "advocates" here are not in charge of prioritising bug
>>> fixes. If so, we would all be tweaking the MBR and xorg.conf from now
>>> until eternity.
>> I have had far worse challenges trying to get things to work under Vista.
>>
>
> Are they more difficult or do you just not know how?
> People always find things the know easy, just ask a rocket scientist if its
> difficult (PS no it isn't).
> It would be a waste of time asking you what needs to change in Linux to make
> it more acceptable to new users, unfortunately it is people like you that
> will be asked and who will guide Linux in the wrong direction.
> Its damn hard knowing how simple to make a system.. I know I have worked on
> systems that are expected^W required to work for *all* people, not just
> people who have been using the product for six months.

You must be joking.
If Kevin (kevpan815@hotmail.com) can install Linux,
anyone can install Linux.
Especially, Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS.

I've installed a few versions of each, it really is quite simple.
Really. Probably, even for you, Dennis.

By the way, most folks in the Windows world *never* actually
install the operating system, they buy computers with Windows
already installed. This group would be 1000 times busier if
many PC users had to install Windows themselves, as do most Linux users.



-Michael
 
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:02:09 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:


>I think its you that doesn't understand.. Linux is unfinished and it
>probably will remain that way as there will always be a new windows manager
>in the wings.. shame they don't fix the simple things first.

Let me guess, by that stupid statement you're implying Windows is
finished? You want to talk windows manager, explain to me why in over
twenty years of trying the Boys of Redmond still haven't come up with
a shell good enough that many of their MVPs recommend and use
something else.

>However they
>won't as the existing Linux users and developers can't grasp how hard it is
>for a newbie to install and use Linux. How do they expect Linux to actually
>take over the desktop when they can't understand something so simple? Its
>not rocket science, its understanding your target users.

Oh, understanding target users. Yea, your right, Microsoft is so good
at that. Like the morons that designed a START button to turn off your
computer or give you an option that ends up deleting your recycle bin
when some newbies think you're just emptying the contents?

You're right Dennis, shame those developing Linux don't have designers
like Microsoft that make those kind of awe inspiring design decisions.
 
dennis@home wrote:
>
> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
> news:uqO3FVy$HHA.5868@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Pennywise@DerryMaine.Gov wrote:
>>> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> running on fixed hardware and none of this compatibility afford a
>>>> computer. Its worth remembering that incompatible hardware is the
>>>> price we pay for having so much choice and it could have been so
>>>> different if M$ had sold exclusive rights to windows/dos to IBM, no
>>>> affordable clones, no internet as we know it, no linux..
>>>
>>> And then AmigA would of ruled the world as it was ment to.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> True enough, always makes me smile when they accuse MS of stealing
>> from Apple, it was actually Workbench and Intuition they stole :)
>
> Apple stole it from Xerox even down to the one button mouse.
> How a thief has the nerve to accuse someone else of stealing what they
> stole I will never understand.
> Must be a lack of morals I suppose.

A hypocritical lack of morals, methinks.

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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:02:09 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I think its you that doesn't understand.. Linux is unfinished and it
>>probably will remain that way as there will always be a new windows
>>manager
>>in the wings.. shame they don't fix the simple things first.
>
> Let me guess, by that stupid statement you're implying Windows is
> finished? You want to talk windows manager, explain to me why in over
> twenty years of trying the Boys of Redmond still haven't come up with
> a shell good enough that many of their MVPs recommend and use
> something else.

Why are you so stupid as to bring windows into everything?
Do you have a fixation on it?
That comment was about linux and makes no comparisson to any other OS and
stands alone Linux doesn't need anymore windows managers it does need some
applications.

>
>>However they
>>won't as the existing Linux users and developers can't grasp how hard it
>>is
>>for a newbie to install and use Linux. How do they expect Linux to
>>actually
>>take over the desktop when they can't understand something so simple? Its
>>not rocket science, its understanding your target users.
>
> Oh, understanding target users. Yea, your right, Microsoft is so good
> at that. Like the morons that designed a START button to turn off your
> computer or give you an option that ends up deleting your recycle bin
> when some newbies think you're just emptying the contents?
>
> You're right Dennis, shame those developing Linux don't have designers
> like Microsoft that make those kind of awe inspiring design decisions.
>

You are being really stupid ATM, have you been stealing someone's pills?
 
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:51:25 -0400, MICHAEL wrote:

>
>
> * dennis@home:
>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
>> news:OUARBay$HHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> Probably not on Debian actually but see this is what you are missing.
>>> Beryl, Compiz and a couple of others are NOT finished products and the
>>> community does NOT release them pretending that they are. I said, which
>>> you and Dennis apparently cannot interpret, "Getting easier", I did not
>>> say perfect...
>>
>> I think its you that doesn't understand.. Linux is unfinished and it
>> probably will remain that way as there will always be a new windows manager
>> in the wings.. shame they don't fix the simple things first. However they
>> won't as the existing Linux users and developers can't grasp how hard it is
>> for a newbie to install and use Linux. How do they expect Linux to actually
>> take over the desktop when they can't understand something so simple? Its
>> not rocket science, its understanding your target users. If you look at the
>> possible users M$ targets 100% while Linux might target 1-2%. Now if you
>> look at the one laptop per child initiative they are targeting their users
>> and are using "linux" howevr they have done a proper job and hidden all the
>> cr@p that you get with most Linux distros.
>>
>>>> Fortunately the "advocates" here are not in charge of prioritising bug
>>>> fixes. If so, we would all be tweaking the MBR and xorg.conf from now
>>>> until eternity.
>>> I have had far worse challenges trying to get things to work under Vista.
>>>
>>
>> Are they more difficult or do you just not know how?
>> People always find things the know easy, just ask a rocket scientist if its
>> difficult (PS no it isn't).
>> It would be a waste of time asking you what needs to change in Linux to make
>> it more acceptable to new users, unfortunately it is people like you that
>> will be asked and who will guide Linux in the wrong direction.
>> Its damn hard knowing how simple to make a system.. I know I have worked on
>> systems that are expected^W required to work for *all* people, not just
>> people who have been using the product for six months.
>
> You must be joking.
> If Kevin (kevpan815@hotmail.com) can install Linux,
> anyone can install Linux.
> Especially, Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS.
>
> I've installed a few versions of each, it really is quite simple.
> Really. Probably, even for you, Dennis.
>
> By the way, most folks in the Windows world *never* actually
> install the operating system, they buy computers with Windows
> already installed. This group would be 1000 times busier if
> many PC users had to install Windows themselves, as do most Linux users.
>
>
>
> -Michael

It might surprise you that there are NG just linux. If you are that
interested in linux you might want to check them out. I'm sure that be
more procutive for you. With your knowledge they will be glad to have when
they need help.

Top
 
* Top:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:51:25 -0400, MICHAEL wrote:
>
>>
>> * dennis@home:
>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
>>> news:OUARBay$HHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>> Probably not on Debian actually but see this is what you are missing.
>>>> Beryl, Compiz and a couple of others are NOT finished products and the
>>>> community does NOT release them pretending that they are. I said, which
>>>> you and Dennis apparently cannot interpret, "Getting easier", I did not
>>>> say perfect...
>>> I think its you that doesn't understand.. Linux is unfinished and it
>>> probably will remain that way as there will always be a new windows manager
>>> in the wings.. shame they don't fix the simple things first. However they
>>> won't as the existing Linux users and developers can't grasp how hard it is
>>> for a newbie to install and use Linux. How do they expect Linux to actually
>>> take over the desktop when they can't understand something so simple? Its
>>> not rocket science, its understanding your target users. If you look at the
>>> possible users M$ targets 100% while Linux might target 1-2%. Now if you
>>> look at the one laptop per child initiative they are targeting their users
>>> and are using "linux" howevr they have done a proper job and hidden all the
>>> cr@p that you get with most Linux distros.
>>>
>>>>> Fortunately the "advocates" here are not in charge of prioritising bug
>>>>> fixes. If so, we would all be tweaking the MBR and xorg.conf from now
>>>>> until eternity.
>>>> I have had far worse challenges trying to get things to work under Vista.
>>>>
>>> Are they more difficult or do you just not know how?
>>> People always find things the know easy, just ask a rocket scientist if its
>>> difficult (PS no it isn't).
>>> It would be a waste of time asking you what needs to change in Linux to make
>>> it more acceptable to new users, unfortunately it is people like you that
>>> will be asked and who will guide Linux in the wrong direction.
>>> Its damn hard knowing how simple to make a system.. I know I have worked on
>>> systems that are expected^W required to work for *all* people, not just
>>> people who have been using the product for six months.
>> You must be joking.
>> If Kevin (kevpan815@hotmail.com) can install Linux,
>> anyone can install Linux.
>> Especially, Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS.
>>
>> I've installed a few versions of each, it really is quite simple.
>> Really. Probably, even for you, Dennis.
>>
>> By the way, most folks in the Windows world *never* actually
>> install the operating system, they buy computers with Windows
>> already installed. This group would be 1000 times busier if
>> many PC users had to install Windows themselves, as do most Linux users.
>
> It might surprise you that there are NG just linux. If you are that
> interested in linux you might want to check them out. I'm sure that be
> more procutive for you. With your knowledge they will be glad to have when
> they need help.

The only thing that surprises me is the constant show of ignorance
proudly displayed by so many.... and that doofus light seems to be
shining rather brilliantly on you, too.

I didn't set the cross-posting, I simply replied from the vista.general
group. I've been posting in the Vista newsgroups since June 2006,
and will continue to do so. If I feel like making a comment about Linux,
I will do so. I use Vista on three machines, but I am certainly not anti-Linux,
any more than I'm anti-Windows.


-Michael
 
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:22:45 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:fq4if3dq6qh3uj6eimbm9ul7m3jm7bvjme@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:02:09 +0100, "dennis@home"
>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I think its you that doesn't understand.. Linux is unfinished and it
>>>probably will remain that way as there will always be a new windows
>>>manager
>>>in the wings.. shame they don't fix the simple things first.
>>
>> Let me guess, by that stupid statement you're implying Windows is
>> finished? You want to talk windows manager, explain to me why in over
>> twenty years of trying the Boys of Redmond still haven't come up with
>> a shell good enough that many of their MVPs recommend and use
>> something else.
>
>Why are you so stupid as to bring windows into everything?
>Do you have a fixation on it?

Answering a question by asking your own is a very weak "debating"
tactic. A question for you is why are you like all fanboys so
defensive of Windows? Every time I ask a question concerning one of
Windows' many failings all fanboys either go into their yell and
scream mode, try to change the topic or like you attempt to dodge the
question.

>> You're right Dennis, shame those developing Linux don't have designers
>> like Microsoft that make those kind of awe inspiring design decisions.
>>
>
>You are being really stupid ATM, have you been stealing someone's pills?

Why Dennis, I thought you were above name calling and snipping parts
of other people's posts you can't answer. I guess you're not.
 
Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:22:45 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>news:fq4if3dq6qh3uj6eimbm9ul7m3jm7bvjme@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:02:09 +0100, "dennis@home"
>>><dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I think its you that doesn't understand.. Linux is unfinished and it
>>>>probably will remain that way as there will always be a new windows
>>>>manager
>>>>in the wings.. shame they don't fix the simple things first.
>>>
>>>Let me guess, by that stupid statement you're implying Windows is
>>>finished? You want to talk windows manager, explain to me why in over
>>>twenty years of trying the Boys of Redmond still haven't come up with
>>>a shell good enough that many of their MVPs recommend and use
>>>something else.
>>
>>Why are you so stupid as to bring windows into everything?
>>Do you have a fixation on it?
>
>
> Answering a question by asking your own is a very weak "debating"
> tactic. A question for you is why are you like all fanboys so
> defensive of Windows? Every time I ask a question concerning one of
> Windows' many failings all fanboys either go into their yell and
> scream mode, try to change the topic or like you attempt to dodge the
> question.
>
>
>>>You're right Dennis, shame those developing Linux don't have designers
>>>like Microsoft that make those kind of awe inspiring design decisions.
>>>
>>
>>You are being really stupid ATM, have you been stealing someone's pills?
>
>
> Why Dennis, I thought you were above name calling and snipping parts
> of other people's posts you can't answer. I guess you're not.
>

What a totally ignorant drunken POS you are!
Loser.
Frank
 
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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Still wrong.
 
Charlie Tame wrote:

>> Getting the video modes right can sometimes be a bit of a challenge for
>> many.
> Yes it can but Ubuntu is easier than most and these kinds of things get
> easier all the time.

Dual monitors is a real PITA under linux too. Even if you get them both
working, there are very limited options for configuration.


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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:30:27 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:6ihif39a8jaoss8f6ojr93q5rj9cpd1rfu@4ax.com...
>
>Still wrong.

Frank should be worried. You may surpass him as the most moronic
poster in this newsgroup. Considering how many nuts there are here, a
considerable achievement. Bully for you Dennis!
 
sittingduck wrote:

> Charlie Tame wrote:
>
>>> Getting the video modes right can sometimes be a bit of a challenge for
>>> many.
>> Yes it can but Ubuntu is easier than most and these kinds of things get
>> easier all the time.
>
> Dual monitors is a real PITA under linux too. Even if you get them both
> working, there are very limited options for configuration.
>
>

Really? Strange that I haven't noticed since two years
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Adam Albright wrote:

> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:30:27 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>news:6ihif39a8jaoss8f6ojr93q5rj9cpd1rfu@4ax.com...
>>
>>Still wrong.
>
>
> Frank should be worried. You may surpass him as the most moronic
> poster in this newsgroup. Considering how many nuts there are here, a
> considerable achievement. Bully for you Dennis!
>

You should worry and wondere why a friggin minkie is smarter than you'll
ever be, mr genius...mr computer expert...hahaha...lol!
Frank
 
Frank wrote:

> Adam Albright wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:30:27 +0100, "dennis@home"
>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>news:6ihif39a8jaoss8f6ojr93q5rj9cpd1rfu@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>Still wrong.
>>
>>
>> Frank should be worried. You may surpass him as the most moronic
>> poster in this newsgroup. Considering how many nuts there are here, a
>> considerable achievement. Bully for you Dennis!
>>
>
> You should worry and wondere why a friggin minkie is smarter than you'll
> ever be, mr genius...mr computer expert...hahaha...lol!
> Frank

Nobody is worried
After all, you seem to have inherited the smarts of max two slightly
retarded slices of bread
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On 2007-09-25, dennis@home <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
> news:OUARBay$HHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
>> Probably not on Debian actually but see this is what you are missing.
>> Beryl, Compiz and a couple of others are NOT finished products and the
>> community does NOT release them pretending that they are. I said, which
>> you and Dennis apparently cannot interpret, "Getting easier", I did not
>> say perfect...
>
> I think its you that doesn't understand.. Linux is unfinished and it
> probably will remain that way as there will always be a new windows manager

I don't know what the alleged fuss is about.

Linux completely supports the widescreen monitors on laptops.

It completely supports desktop widescreen monitors.

It completely supports your TV in the living room.

> in the wings.. shame they don't fix the simple things first. However they

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