Windows 95/98/ME Re: can not get online

  • Thread starter Thread starter CdLSRN
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FWIW, putting those files back allowed IE Repair to run. I'm thinking she
should still force reinstall, but perhaps not.

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> I don't take to kindly to shouters, I'm done, just as simple as that!
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> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:48390e55$0$11606$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>I CAN NOT GET ANYTHING FROM THE INTERNET EXCEPT E-MAILS IN OUTLOOK
>>EXPRESS! IT is
>> just as simple as that. IE6 , my only previously working os isn't
>> working!
>>
>> "Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
>> news:%23lBPyGjvIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> If the other link won't do because you can't access the web, see if
>>> this one
>>> helps:
>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/downloads/IE6dll.zip
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>>> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>>> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>>
>>> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
>>> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>>>
>>>
>>> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4838deda$0$11620$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>> > After 2 days of working on this, I don't think it can be repaired. I
>>> > put about
>>> > blank
>>> > in the home page. Then I typed in www.dell.com and it said it was
>>> > going there
>>> > and it
>>> > said done, but there was nothing on the page. Ginny
>>> > <letterman@invalid.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:hpjh34djh60ggkpqdkhmk4dsjocsgjudrp@4ax.com...
>>> >> I told you to set your homepage to BLANK. (No homepage).
>>> >> Try that and see if that helps. You dont need to have a homepage.
>>> >> You can always type in what you want, or later *after things are
>>> >> fixed* you can put ebay back.
>>> >>
>>> >> You can go to a friends house and download the installer for IE6.
>>> >> Copy it to something and run the install when you get home. I keep
>>> >> the entire Win98 CD files on my harddrive, as well as IE6 install
>>> >> files and all my drivers and such. That way you dont have to rely on
>>> >> going online to fix stuff.
>>> >>
>>> >> Hope this helps
>>> >>
>>> >> Good luck
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, 24 May 2008 22:05:39 -0400, "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >eBay used to be my home page....now it is optonline and the numbers
>>> >> >at the
>>> >> >bottom
>>> >> >have changed, but I go nowhere. I am not quite sure what I am
>>> >> >supposed to
>>> >> >do,
>>> >> >.....how do I do a system check and what am I looking for?
>>> >> >The three files that are missing are MSXML.DLL, MSXMLA.DLL, AND
>>> >> >MSXMLR.DLL.
>>> >> >fILES THAT i DO have are MSXML3.DLL, MSXML3A.DLL, MSXML4.DLL,
>>> >> >MSXML4A.DLL,
>>> >> >MSXML4R.DLL. I was wondering if other people had these files and if
>>> >> >someone
>>> >> >had
>>> > put
>>> >> >numbers in the files ie: missing MSXML.DLL......haveMSXML3.DLL.
>>> >> >"Brian A." <gonefish'n@afarawaylake> wrote in message
>>> >> >news:%23OdyBUgvIHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> >> >> Can you Right click the IE icon on the desktop, click Properties
>>> >> >> in the
>>> >> >> popup
>>> >> >> menu and check under the General tab what your homepage is set to?
>>> >> >> Reading
>>> >> >> back, you mentioned that any attempt to connect to the internet
>>> >> >> resulted
>>> >> >> in the
>>> >> >> connection being directed at IP: 66.135.200.145. You also
>>> >> >> mentioned that
>>> >> >> this
>>> >> >> was the address for Avast, which it is not, it is an IP address
>>> >> >> for Ebay.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> You best run a thorough system check with the proper
>>> >> >> tools/utilities/applications to make sure your system hasn't been
>>> >> >> compromised.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
>>> >> >> Conflicts start where information lacks.
>>> >> >> http://basconotw.mvps.org/
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
>>> >> >> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "CdLSRN" <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> news:4838b915$0$25047$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>> >> >> > IE6 Setup.exe won't run because it can't get online. It just
>>> >> >> > won't run
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message
>>> >> >> > news:unh1M8fvIHA.3968@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> >> >> >> CdLSRN wrote:
>>> >> >> >> | Thank you everyone. I fixed it by downloading it.....(I tried
>>> >> >> >> to
>>> >> >> >> | update it but it didn't work)...when I downloaded it this
>>> >> >> >> time I let
>>> >> >> >> | it handle my mail.....then I went into safe mode and removed
>>> >> >> >> it with
>>> >> >> >> | Avast's removal tool. I seem to be back to normal.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> I'm glad to see that part is solved. I was about to post
>>> >> >> >> something, but
>>> >> >> >> really it involved the opposite of your symptoms-- once, I
>>> >> >> >> could access
>>> >> >> >> the NET, but not E-Mail & NGs. Now, all is working well,
>>> >> >> >> though. (I
>>> >> >> >> never was perfectly sure it was avast! at fault.)
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Since you now know how to recover from the problem you had, you
>>> >> >> >> might
>>> >> >> >> try avast! again. I'm really very pleased with it, despite its
>>> >> >> >> few
>>> >> >> >> peccadilloes.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> | I still can't run
>>> >> >> >> | the IE6 repair tool ...it still tells me I am missing those 3
>>> >> >> >> files.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> What 3 files? When the IE Repair tool won't run, an
>>> >> >> >> over-install of IE
>>> >> >> >> is the cure. I see you have IE6 installed. So...
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Over-install IE. Try first without, but I believe it will
>>> >> >> >> request an
>>> >> >> >> internet connection. Perhaps it is best to let it connect,
>>> >> >> >> actually. If
>>> >> >> >> you don't care to get this fancy, just skip to step (c).
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> (a) "START button, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab".
>>> >> >> >> Note what is unchecked, if anything. Then, go to the
>>> >> >> >> General
>>> >> >> >> tab & disable the entire Startup Group, by clicking
>>> >> >> >> "Selective.."
>>> >> >> >> & unchecking "Load Startup...". Reboot.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> (b) Perhaps, "Ctrl-Alt-Del" & end task all but Explorer &
>>> >> >> >> Systray.
>>> >> >> >> If this goes badly, start again from top, & skip it next
>>> >> >> >> time.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> (c) "START button, Find, F/F, IE6Setup.exe".
>>> >> >> >> Click it in the Find window. If there is more than one (I
>>> >> >> >> have
>>> >> >> >> two), click the one in...
>>> >> >> >> "C:\WINDOWS\Windows Update Setup Files", or
>>> >> >> >> "C:\Windows Update Setup Files", as applicable.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> (d) Re-enable the Startup Group. That will automatically check
>>> >> >> >> all
>>> >> >> >> items. Go to the Startup tab & uncheck any noted in step
>>> >> >> >> (a).
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> (e) Reboot.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> (f) Perhaps go to Windows Update, to see whether it now offers
>>> >> >> >> criticals.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> | But so far so good. Thanks again for your patience. "CdLSRN"
>>> >> >> >> | <ginnyrn5@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> >> >> >> | news:4838636b$0$15167$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>> >> >> >> |> I can only send and receive e-mail since I didn't let AVAST
>>> >> >> >> handle
>>> >> >> >> |> my e-mails from the beginning. But I can not click on any
>>> >> >> >> links and
>>> >> >> >> |> get online. I have firefox on my desktop but I can not get
>>> >> >> >> anything
>>> >> >> >> |> but "this page can not be displayed" or a time out when
>>> >> >> >> trying to
>>> >> >> >> |> load. I can not get online (When it was working, I tended to
>>> >> >> >> use IE6
>>> >> >> >> |> more. Avast has be removed with their removal tool, in safe
>>> >> >> >> mode
>>> >> >> >> |> with add/remove programs with and without safe mode at least
>>> >> >> >> 20
>>> >> >> >> |> times. Avast does not answer my e-mails. I don't have Avast
>>> >> >> >> on my
>>> >> >> >> |> computer but it is in my browsers. Ginny
>>> >> >> >> <letterman@invalid.com>
>>> >> >> >> |> wrote in message
>>> >> >> >> news:t2uf34liston1k6so8trlvglu4tbnkr1m4@4ax.com...
>>> >> >> >> |> > On Thu, 22 May 2008 22:36:11 -0400, "CdLSRN"
>>> >> >> >> <ginnyrn5@nospam.com>
>>> >> >> >> |> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >> |> >
>>> >> >> >> |> > >It is back and I still can not get online.
>>> >> >> >> |> > >
>>> >> >> >> |> >
>>> >> >> >> |> > Are you infected with spyware? It sounds possible.
>>> >> >> >> |> > Get a copy if "hijack this" post the test results on here.
>>> >> >> >> |> >
>>> >> >> >> |> > Set your homepage to BLANK.
>>> >> >> >> |> >
>>> >> >> >> |> > Get rid of Avast. I had trouble with that POS too.
>>> >> >> >> |> > Get AVG. Its free adn works pretty well.
>>> >> >> >> |> >
>>> >> >> >> |> > DISABLE AVAST for the moment. Go to STARTUP, disable all
>>> >> >> >> |> > references to Avast. Reboot, then try this all over
>>> >> >> >> again.
>>> >> >> >> |> >
>>> >> >> >> |> > I hope you know if you buy a NEW computer, you wont be
>>> >> >> >> able to run
>>> >> >> >> |> > Win98 on it. It will come with Vista (you dont want
>>> >> >> >> vista).
>>> >> >> >> |> > For awhile you could get a new computer with XP, I am not
>>> >> >> >> sure if
>>> >> >> >> |> > they are still doing that. I personally dont want XP
>>> >> >> >> either.
>>> >> >> >> |> > Win98 is where I stop. WinME was the same as Win98 with a
>>> >> >> >> few
>>> >> >> >> |> > additions but more bugs. Win2K was tolerable, but not to
>>> >> >> >> my
>>> >> >> >> |> > liking. XP is garbage, and Vista is a disaster.
>>> >> >> >> |> >
>>> >> >> >> |> > Since you posted this message you ARE online, right?
>>> >> >> >> |> > You just cant get IE to work. Have you installed Firefox?
>>> >> >> >> |> > Brt you'll like it better and its free.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> --
>>> >> >> >> Thanks or Good Luck,
>>> >> >> >> There may be humor in this post, and,
>>> >> >> >> Naturally, you will not sue,
>>> >> >> >> Should things get worse after this,
>>> >> >> >> PCR
>>> >> >> >> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>

>>
>>

>
 
MEB wrote:

> Note that version 4.0 has been installed, all attempts to ignore this issue
> will likely not achieve the desired results.
>
> She does NOT have:
> "MSXML.DLL, MSXMLA.DLL, AND MSXMLR.DLL."
> "fILES THAT i DO have are MSXML3.DLL, MSXML3A.DLL, MSXML4.DLL, MSXML4A.DLL,
> MSXML4R.DLL."
>
> Helpers need to key upon WHY this was installed what might have installed
> this was it a failed attempt and then work to resolve those issues PRIOR
> to further suggestions related to other areas.


Having msXML 4.x parser files installed should be ok, and
/i_thought/ would be inconsequential to the 'not getting online'
issue. I've had it redistributed/installed by various 3rd party
software.

Sure, something is clearly amiss with the the IE6 install,
because of the missing msXML 8.0.x files.

But 'CdLSRN/Ginny' also wrote that: "I have firefox on my desktop
but I can not get anything but "this page can not be displayed"
or a time out when trying to load." So it looked to me as if HTTP
was perhaps stopped at a deeper level aside from the XML-problem
within IE6.

I thought i'd just suggest a few things to rule out, but Firefox
is not on the machine anymore so they can't be tested separate
from IE. I'm still curious about if there is a software firewall
present.


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"Etal" <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:g1cqbj$mmt$1@aioe.org...
| MEB wrote:
|
| > Note that version 4.0 has been installed, all attempts to ignore this
issue
| > will likely not achieve the desired results.
| >
| > She does NOT have:
| > "MSXML.DLL, MSXMLA.DLL, AND MSXMLR.DLL."
| > "fILES THAT i DO have are MSXML3.DLL, MSXML3A.DLL, MSXML4.DLL,
MSXML4A.DLL,
| > MSXML4R.DLL."
| >
| > Helpers need to key upon WHY this was installed what might have
installed
| > this was it a failed attempt and then work to resolve those issues
PRIOR
| > to further suggestions related to other areas.
|
| Having msXML 4.x parser files installed should be ok, and
| /i_thought/ would be inconsequential to the 'not getting online'
| issue. I've had it redistributed/installed by various 3rd party
| software.

Do you remember what programs?

|
| Sure, something is clearly amiss with the the IE6 install,
| because of the missing msXML 8.0.x files.
|
| But 'CdLSRN/Ginny' also wrote that: "I have firefox on my desktop
| but I can not get anything but "this page can not be displayed"
| or a time out when trying to load." So it looked to me as if HTTP
| was perhaps stopped at a deeper level aside from the XML-problem
| within IE6.
|
| I thought i'd just suggest a few things to rule out, but Firefox
| is not on the machine anymore so they can't be tested separate
| from IE. I'm still curious about if there is a software firewall
| present.
|
|
| --
| Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.
|
| Please followup in the newsgroup.
| E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.

Oh I agree there are deeper problems, which could include the firewall,
hosts, and several other [which might have let a hack through if she didn't
get a messed up install of something], but without those files she was going
no-where.. what else is missing or wrong.

But the group went into re-install mode rather than working from the
normal:
Well, what did you try to install recently?
What were you doing when this happened?
Running through file searches and version checks, and other which, unless I
missed it, fell by the way side [though she could have been a bit more
responsive and calm].

But the key seems to be trying to determine HOW she lost those files...
Because the versions can be incompatible [version wise and registry wise]...
and the registry does contain LOTS entries related to these files [version 3
has 140 entries] and she could have a different MDAC and other files in the
mix as well.

This has already been shown AVAST and SBS&D both had issues when
installed. My guess she is only beginning to find those problems.

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On Sun, 25 May 2008 17:58:29 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:

>It is true she doesn't quite match up-- but it's crazy to just rename
>these files! The error messages would just get worse! Also, it could be
>harder to effect a fix! For instance, if ever we get an over-install of
>IE6 to run-- it may refuse to update a phony, renamed file because it
>has a later version number or date! Or, if ever we discover what to
>uninstall to remove the ML4's-- it won't remove a file that has been
>renamed!


Because I do not have any of these files ending in a "4" I thought
that this might be the needed file that somehow got renamed. I know
windows will often do that to certain files as a means to backup.
Thats why I said to rename and keep track of what was done so it can
be named back to what it was. I still cant understand how these 3
files vanished, yet she has these oddball filenames that dont exist in
a normal installation of IE6.
 
MEB wrote:

> "Etal" wrote:


> |
> | Having msXML 4.x parser files installed should be ok, and
> | /i_thought/ would be inconsequential to the 'not getting online'
> | issue. I've had it redistributed/installed by various 3rd party
> | software.
>
> Do you remember what programs?
>


Remember? I have noted that it was done by:
UPX-iT 1.5.5 from Codeplace
and
Peter's XML Editor 2.0 by Peter Reynolds


( Debugging I meant IMAP instead of MAPI a few posts back. )


--
"I don't remember if it was a telecaster or a stratocaster,
but i do remember that it had a heart of chrome
and a voice like a horny angel."
 
Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Either your clock is wrong or mine is.


Actually, this computers clock is correct, but i also see my
posts as one hour off. I'm posting this message via
'msnews.microsoft.com' again as a test, to see if it differs from
the one i just made as a followup to MEB.


--
"Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way."
 
.... et al. wrote:

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
>
>> Either your clock is wrong or mine is.

>
> Actually, this computers clock is correct, but i also see my posts
> as one hour off. I'm posting this message via 'msnews.microsoft.com'
> again as a test, to see if it differs from the one i just made as a
> followup to MEB.


Oops, had forgot to nym-shift on this account.
Well, that wasn't it. So must be the 'Auto-adjust for summertime'
then. This post will be not adjusted and probably from the
future, and i'll be rechecking that button again after.


--
"In the summertime, ah in the summertime,
in the summertime when you were with me.
 
Hmm, have to run those through to see what else occurs, thanks. These
produce no issues in 9X then I presume... no, wait, I'll have do that at the
end of this standard test cycle, I may still need this base install for
current issues.

As for the MAPI verses IMAP, we likely read in the proper term mentally,
like those old tests to see how many letters could be left out of a sentence
and still understood or other word games... now that you point it out it
would make a world of difference in a technical journal %:-).

I hope Gary gets her straightened out...

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"Etal" <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message
news:g1fb9q$494$1@aioe.org...
| MEB wrote:
|
| > "Etal" wrote:
|
| > |
| > | Having msXML 4.x parser files installed should be ok, and
| > | /i_thought/ would be inconsequential to the 'not getting online'
| > | issue. I've had it redistributed/installed by various 3rd party
| > | software.
| >
| > Do you remember what programs?
| >
|
| Remember? I have noted that it was done by:
| UPX-iT 1.5.5 from Codeplace
| and
| Peter's XML Editor 2.0 by Peter Reynolds
|
|
| ( Debugging I meant IMAP instead of MAPI a few posts back. )
|
|
| --
| "I don't remember if it was a telecaster or a stratocaster,
| but i do remember that it had a heart of chrome
| and a voice like a horny angel."
 
Moving along, just testing some more. Notes to follow when I can catch a
moment. I'll tag them to that last thread, "I believe it may be a virus or a
trojan horse."

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hmm, have to run those through to see what else occurs, thanks. These
> produce no issues in 9X then I presume... no, wait, I'll have do that at
> the
> end of this standard test cycle, I may still need this base install for
> current issues.
>
> As for the MAPI verses IMAP, we likely read in the proper term mentally,
> like those old tests to see how many letters could be left out of a
> sentence
> and still understood or other word games... now that you point it out it
> would make a world of difference in a technical journal %:-).
>
> I hope Gary gets her straightened out...
>
> --
> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
> --
> _________
>
> "Etal" <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message
> news:g1fb9q$494$1@aioe.org...
> | MEB wrote:
> |
> | > "Etal" wrote:
> |
> | > |
> | > | Having msXML 4.x parser files installed should be ok, and
> | > | /i_thought/ would be inconsequential to the 'not getting online'
> | > | issue. I've had it redistributed/installed by various 3rd party
> | > | software.
> | >
> | > Do you remember what programs?
> | >
> |
> | Remember? I have noted that it was done by:
> | UPX-iT 1.5.5 from Codeplace
> | and
> | Peter's XML Editor 2.0 by Peter Reynolds
> |
> |
> | ( Debugging I meant IMAP instead of MAPI a few posts back. )
> |
> |
> | --
> | "I don't remember if it was a telecaster or a stratocaster,
> | but i do remember that it had a heart of chrome
> | and a voice like a horny angel."
>
>
 
Those were my thoughts in my first response in this thread when I mentioned:
<quote>
You best run a thorough system check with the proper
tools/utilities/applications to make sure your system hasn't been compromised.
</quote>

That thought has never wavered and is deepened after reading that OE out box
may be corrupt.

--


Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Windows Desktop User Experience }
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375


"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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> Moving along, just testing some more. Notes to follow when I can catch a
> moment. I'll tag them to that last thread, "I believe it may be a virus or a
> trojan horse."
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:O1KKhV5vIHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Hmm, have to run those through to see what else occurs, thanks. These
>> produce no issues in 9X then I presume... no, wait, I'll have do that at the
>> end of this standard test cycle, I may still need this base install for
>> current issues.
>>
>> As for the MAPI verses IMAP, we likely read in the proper term mentally,
>> like those old tests to see how many letters could be left out of a sentence
>> and still understood or other word games... now that you point it out it
>> would make a world of difference in a technical journal %:-).
>>
>> I hope Gary gets her straightened out...
>>
>> --
>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>> --
>> _________
>>
>> "Etal" <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:g1fb9q$494$1@aioe.org...
>> | MEB wrote:
>> |
>> | > "Etal" wrote:
>> |
>> | > |
>> | > | Having msXML 4.x parser files installed should be ok, and
>> | > | /i_thought/ would be inconsequential to the 'not getting online'
>> | > | issue. I've had it redistributed/installed by various 3rd party
>> | > | software.
>> | >
>> | > Do you remember what programs?
>> | >
>> |
>> | Remember? I have noted that it was done by:
>> | UPX-iT 1.5.5 from Codeplace
>> | and
>> | Peter's XML Editor 2.0 by Peter Reynolds
>> |
>> |
>> | ( Debugging I meant IMAP instead of MAPI a few posts back. )
>> |
>> |
>> | --
>> | "I don't remember if it was a telecaster or a stratocaster,
>> | but i do remember that it had a heart of chrome
>> | and a voice like a horny angel."
>>
>>

>
 
Nope, turns out the wrap-up thread will be "IE Running well so far".

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MS-MVP Shell/User
www.grystmill.com

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
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> Moving along, just testing some more. Notes to follow when I can catch a
> moment. I'll tag them to that last thread, "I believe it may be a virus or
> a trojan horse."
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS-MVP Shell/User
> www.grystmill.com
>
> "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:O1KKhV5vIHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Hmm, have to run those through to see what else occurs, thanks. These
>> produce no issues in 9X then I presume... no, wait, I'll have do that at
>> the
>> end of this standard test cycle, I may still need this base install for
>> current issues.
>>
>> As for the MAPI verses IMAP, we likely read in the proper term mentally,
>> like those old tests to see how many letters could be left out of a
>> sentence
>> and still understood or other word games... now that you point it out it
>> would make a world of difference in a technical journal %:-).
>>
>> I hope Gary gets her straightened out...
>>
>> --
>> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
>> --
>> _________
>>
>> "Etal" <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:g1fb9q$494$1@aioe.org...
>> | MEB wrote:
>> |
>> | > "Etal" wrote:
>> |
>> | > |
>> | > | Having msXML 4.x parser files installed should be ok, and
>> | > | /i_thought/ would be inconsequential to the 'not getting online'
>> | > | issue. I've had it redistributed/installed by various 3rd party
>> | > | software.
>> | >
>> | > Do you remember what programs?
>> | >
>> |
>> | Remember? I have noted that it was done by:
>> | UPX-iT 1.5.5 from Codeplace
>> | and
>> | Peter's XML Editor 2.0 by Peter Reynolds
>> |
>> |
>> | ( Debugging I meant IMAP instead of MAPI a few posts back. )
>> |
>> |
>> | --
>> | "I don't remember if it was a telecaster or a stratocaster,
>> | but i do remember that it had a heart of chrome
>> | and a voice like a horny angel."
>>
>>

>
 
Right, difficult to pick with four threads running.. and Brian, sorry must
have missed that in one of the many threads...

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"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
news:ODjmoB6vIHA.1504@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| Nope, turns out the wrap-up thread will be "IE Running well so far".
|
| --
| Gary S. Terhune
| MS-MVP Shell/User
| www.grystmill.com
|
| "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message
| news:O0onM05vIHA.6096@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| > Moving along, just testing some more. Notes to follow when I can catch a
| > moment. I'll tag them to that last thread, "I believe it may be a virus
or
| > a trojan horse."
| >
| > --
| > Gary S. Terhune
| > MS-MVP Shell/User
| > www.grystmill.com
| >
| > "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:O1KKhV5vIHA.5472@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
| >> Hmm, have to run those through to see what else occurs, thanks. These
| >> produce no issues in 9X then I presume... no, wait, I'll have do that
at
| >> the
| >> end of this standard test cycle, I may still need this base install for
| >> current issues.
| >>
| >> As for the MAPI verses IMAP, we likely read in the proper term
mentally,
| >> like those old tests to see how many letters could be left out of a
| >> sentence
| >> and still understood or other word games... now that you point it out
it
| >> would make a world of difference in a technical journal %:-).
| >>
| >> I hope Gary gets her straightened out...
| >>
| >> --
| >> MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com
| >> --
| >> _________
| >>
| >> "Etal" <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message
| >> news:g1fb9q$494$1@aioe.org...
| >> | MEB wrote:
| >> |
| >> | > "Etal" wrote:
| >> |
| >> | > |
| >> | > | Having msXML 4.x parser files installed should be ok, and
| >> | > | /i_thought/ would be inconsequential to the 'not getting online'
| >> | > | issue. I've had it redistributed/installed by various 3rd party
| >> | > | software.
| >> | >
| >> | > Do you remember what programs?
| >> | >
| >> |
| >> | Remember? I have noted that it was done by:
| >> | UPX-iT 1.5.5 from Codeplace
| >> | and
| >> | Peter's XML Editor 2.0 by Peter Reynolds
| >> |
| >> |
| >> | ( Debugging I meant IMAP instead of MAPI a few posts back. )
| >> |
| >> |
| >> | --
| >> | "I don't remember if it was a telecaster or a stratocaster,
| >> | but i do remember that it had a heart of chrome
| >> | and a voice like a horny angel."
| >>
| >>
| >
|
 
letterman@invalid.com wrote:
| On Sun, 25 May 2008 17:58:29 -0400, "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote:
|
|>It is true she doesn't quite match up-- but it's crazy to just rename
|>these files! The error messages would just get worse! Also, it could
|>be harder to effect a fix! For instance, if ever we get an
|>over-install of IE6 to run-- it may refuse to update a phony, renamed
|>file because it has a later version number or date! Or, if ever we
|>discover what to uninstall to remove the ML4's-- it won't remove a
|>file that has been renamed!
|
| Because I do not have any of these files ending in a "4" I thought
| that this might be the needed file that somehow got renamed. I know
| windows will often do that to certain files as a means to backup.
| Thats why I said to rename and keep track of what was done so it can
| be named back to what it was. I still cant understand how these 3
| files vanished, yet she has these oddball filenames that dont exist in
| a normal installation of IE6.

It is a very bad practice to rename a file to something it is not--
very, very bad! You'll get worse error messages, unpredictable
additional symptoms-- & possible damage to files if a horrible crash
should occur! Also, it will become 2.5 times more difficult to analyze
what really is wrong for each file you rename-- the symptoms won't match
normal ones for the original situation!

Microsoft would far more likely delete an updated file, & the new one
would take the same name as the old. Or, MS might move the old one to a
backup folder (some files end up in C:\Windows\Options\Cabs), but
keeping the same name. If ever it renames an old file-- it wouldn't be
to something that couldn't be mistaken for a live file, such as changing
the last character of its extension to an underline. Thus, ".dll" might
become ".dl_".

I think it's more likely CdLSRN somehow got hold of IE7 files or took
some other update that gave her the ML4's. But IE7 does not belong in
Win98! I don't know... maybe whatever "update" was run deleted the
missing ones too. Here is how she may show definitively what she has...

(1) "START, Programs, MS-DOS Prompt"
(2) At the prompt, enter...
DIR C:\MSX*.* /a /s /on
(3) Use the "MARK" button, outline text with mouse, &
the "COPY" button to post it.

Here is what a normal IE6 would show. (Note: One other file did show up
for me, but it was in a different folder & it wasn't in any IE6 .cab.)

C:\>DIR C:\MSX*.* /a /s /on
Directory of C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM

MSXBDE40 DLL 229,648 06-03-99 12:00a MSXBDE40.DLL
MSXML DLL 495,376 08-17-01 12:00a MSXML.DLL
MSXML3 DLL 1,122,304 08-29-02 12:00a MSXML3.DLL
MSXML3A DLL 24,576 01-07-02 4:30p msxml3a.dll
MSXML3R DLL 44,032 01-07-02 4:30p MSXML3R.DLL
MSXMLA DLL 15,360 08-17-01 12:00a MSXMLA.DLL
MSXMLR DLL 26,624 08-17-01 12:00a MSXMLR.DLL
7 file(s) 1,957,920 bytes

But I'm pleased to see with Terhune's help in another thread CdLSRN's
original problem is solved. Looks like a whole lot of work was done!


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There may be humor in this post, and,
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MEB wrote:

> "Etal" wrote:
>
> | MEB wrote:
> |
> | > "Etal" wrote:
> |
> | > |
> | > | Having msXML 4.x parser files installed should be ok,
> | > | and /i_thought/ would be inconsequential to the 'not
> | > | getting online' issue. I've had it
> | > | redistributed/installed by various 3rd party software.
> | >
> | > Do you remember what programs?
> | >
> |
> | Remember? I have noted that it was done by:
> | UPX-iT 1.5.5 from Codeplace
> | and
> | Peter's XML Editor 2.0 by Peter Reynolds
> |



> Hmm, have to run those through to see what else occurs,
> thanks. These produce no issues in 9X then I presume... no,
> wait, I'll have do that at the end of this standard test
> cycle, I may still need this base install for current issues.
>


I didn't remember how UPX-iT worked, and now i have a freshly
reinstalled Win98SE machine here so i decided to reinstall these
programs since i posted about them.

Win98SE only updated with IE6
( Both do install the three [msXML4*.*] files when installed as i
wrote earlier. )

'Peter's XML Editor' installs and runs fine.

however
'UPX-iT' while it installs fine on running it, it threw up a message:
WindowTitle: Execution aborted
WindowText: Failed to initialize XML library
WindowButton: [OK]

It might have done that also when i tried it out years ago and at
the time i might have just uninstalled it and moved on.

Now i then installed mDAC, several, ending with (mDAC 2.8 SP0)
but still same error-message. Then i installed the parser and SDK
combo of 'msXML 4.0 SP2', note that the three [msXML4*.*] parser
files were now already on the machine, but for whatever reason it
helped and UPX-iT 1.5.5 works after installing that!


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"Etal" <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message
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| MEB wrote:
|
| > "Etal" wrote:
| >
| > | MEB wrote:
| > |
| > | > "Etal" wrote:
| > |
| > | > |
| > | > | Having msXML 4.x parser files installed should be ok,
| > | > | and /i_thought/ would be inconsequential to the 'not
| > | > | getting online' issue. I've had it
| > | > | redistributed/installed by various 3rd party software.
| > | >
| > | > Do you remember what programs?
| > | >
| > |
| > | Remember? I have noted that it was done by:
| > | UPX-iT 1.5.5 from Codeplace
| > | and
| > | Peter's XML Editor 2.0 by Peter Reynolds
| > |
|
|
| > Hmm, have to run those through to see what else occurs,
| > thanks. These produce no issues in 9X then I presume... no,
| > wait, I'll have do that at the end of this standard test
| > cycle, I may still need this base install for current issues.
| >
|
| I didn't remember how UPX-iT worked, and now i have a freshly
| reinstalled Win98SE machine here so i decided to reinstall these
| programs since i posted about them.
|
| Win98SE only updated with IE6
| ( Both do install the three [msXML4*.*] files when installed as i
| wrote earlier. )
|
| 'Peter's XML Editor' installs and runs fine.
|
| however
| 'UPX-iT' while it installs fine on running it, it threw up a message:
| WindowTitle: Execution aborted
| WindowText: Failed to initialize XML library
| WindowButton: [OK]
|
| It might have done that also when i tried it out years ago and at
| the time i might have just uninstalled it and moved on.
|
| Now i then installed mDAC, several, ending with (mDAC 2.8 SP0)
| but still same error-message. Then i installed the parser and SDK
| combo of 'msXML 4.0 SP2', note that the three [msXML4*.*] parser
| files were now already on the machine, but for whatever reason it
| helped and UPX-iT 1.5.5 works after installing that!
|
|
| --
| Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.
|
| Please followup in the newsgroup.
| E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.
|

Hmm. strange, did unicows install somewhere in that mix?

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MEB wrote:

> "Etal" wrote:
>
> | I didn't remember how UPX-iT worked, and now i have a freshly
> | reinstalled Win98SE machine here so i decided to reinstall these
> | programs since i posted about them.
> |
> | Win98SE only updated with IE6
> | ( Both do install the three [msXML4*.*] files when installed as i
> | wrote earlier. )
> |
> | 'Peter's XML Editor' installs and runs fine.
> |
> | however
> | 'UPX-iT' while it installs fine on running it, it threw up a message:
> | WindowTitle: Execution aborted
> | WindowText: Failed to initialize XML library
> | WindowButton: [OK]
> |
> | It might have done that also when i tried it out years ago and at
> | the time i might have just uninstalled it and moved on.
> |
> | Now i then installed mDAC, several, ending with (mDAC 2.8 SP0)
> | but still same error-message. Then i installed the parser and SDK
> | combo of 'msXML 4.0 SP2', note that the three [msXML4*.*] parser
> | files were now already on the machine, but for whatever reason it
> | helped and UPX-iT 1.5.5 works after installing that!
> |
>
> Hmm. strange, did unicows install somewhere in that mix?
>


Nop. It wasn't there initially, didn't get installed during the
installs and so it isn't there now.

I DL'ed and saved the UPX-iT 1.5.5 installer but not the web-page
or any other document with it so i can't say what if any
system-requirements was advertised for it at the time (Feb 2004),
nor is there any ReadMe for the GUI-frontend installed with it.
But i can mention that on a WinNT 5.01 machine where the
[msXML4*.dll] parser files wasn't present, nor the SDK part, that
the UPX-iT 1.5.5 installer installed (including the msXML parser
files of course) and then the program worked directly (i always
reboot after any install though) without any error-messages or
further tinkering needed.


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"Etal" <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote in message
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| MEB wrote:
|
| > "Etal" wrote:
| >
| > | I didn't remember how UPX-iT worked, and now i have a freshly
| > | reinstalled Win98SE machine here so i decided to reinstall these
| > | programs since i posted about them.
| > |
| > | Win98SE only updated with IE6
| > | ( Both do install the three [msXML4*.*] files when installed as i
| > | wrote earlier. )
| > |
| > | 'Peter's XML Editor' installs and runs fine.
| > |
| > | however
| > | 'UPX-iT' while it installs fine on running it, it threw up a message:
| > | WindowTitle: Execution aborted
| > | WindowText: Failed to initialize XML library
| > | WindowButton: [OK]
| > |
| > | It might have done that also when i tried it out years ago and at
| > | the time i might have just uninstalled it and moved on.
| > |
| > | Now i then installed mDAC, several, ending with (mDAC 2.8 SP0)
| > | but still same error-message. Then i installed the parser and SDK
| > | combo of 'msXML 4.0 SP2', note that the three [msXML4*.*] parser
| > | files were now already on the machine, but for whatever reason it
| > | helped and UPX-iT 1.5.5 works after installing that!
| > |
| >
| > Hmm. strange, did unicows install somewhere in that mix?
| >
|
| Nop. It wasn't there initially, didn't get installed during the
| installs and so it isn't there now.
|
| I DL'ed and saved the UPX-iT 1.5.5 installer but not the web-page
| or any other document with it so i can't say what if any
| system-requirements was advertised for it at the time (Feb 2004),
| nor is there any ReadMe for the GUI-frontend installed with it.
| But i can mention that on a WinNT 5.01 machine where the
| [msXML4*.dll] parser files wasn't present, nor the SDK part, that
| the UPX-iT 1.5.5 installer installed (including the msXML parser
| files of course) and then the program worked directly (i always
| reboot after any install though) without any error-messages or
| further tinkering needed.
|
|
| --
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|
| Please followup in the newsgroup.
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Just curious whether unicow was *in the mix*.

It would have been interesting to see where the failure actually occurred,
using something like Dependency Walker, filemon or regmon, or another tool
on the two different systems... but then it was probably a programming issue
anyway..

Like I said, I'll look at that program sometime in the future if I can
locate it at that time..

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