Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Where is it hiding????

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Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.

Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
especially on notebooks.

There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz, Martii
or HPT!!

It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with
everything.

So where is Linux?

This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the Christmas
season but yet Linux is once again MIA.

Poor Linux...



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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.

How many OS X systems were mentioned? Solaris?

>
> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
> especially on notebooks.
>
> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
> Martii or HPT!!
>
> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never lose
> it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with everything.
>
> So where is Linux?

Where is OS X, or Solaris?

>
> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>
> Poor Linux...


Poor you.


--
Rick
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>
> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
> especially on notebooks.
>
> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
> Martii or HPT!!
>
> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never lose
> it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with everything.
>
> So where is Linux?
>
> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>
> Poor Linux...

Dell buries their Linux machines, it's easier to find the Loch Ness
monster then it is to find a Linux box on Dell's website. Lenovo is much
better, they put Linux right out front. HP is much better also. They
don't offer Linux machines but they do make FreeDos an option on a lot of
their systems if you look under Small Business instead of Home.
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> stated in post
RLadncDqLeYmMBnVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@supernews.com on 7/21/08 8:39 AM:

> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>
> How many OS X systems were mentioned? Solaris?

Why do you focus on OS X so much in a Linux news group?


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"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>
> How many OS X systems were mentioned?

None. Why should that be a surprise since Dell does *NOT* sell OSX but
supposedly does sell linux.


> Solaris?

I don't think that Dell sells Solaris either. And even if they did... this
is a "back to school" catalog with computers for students, not for the
server room in some IT department. They didn't mention *mainframes* either
since about as many students will be buying mainframes as they will Solaris
servers.


>>
>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>> especially on notebooks.
>>
>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
>> Martii or HPT!!
>>
>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never lose
>> it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with everything.
>>
>> So where is Linux?
>
> Where is OS X, or Solaris?

OSX is sold by Apple and it's retailers. Dell does *NOT* sell Mac's so you
would have to be a pretty big idiot to wonder why Dell doesn't advertise
computers for their competitors.

Solaris isn't a appropriate OS for kids returning to school so it doesn't
take much brains to see why something like Solaris isn't mentioned in a
"Back to School" catalog for kids.

On the other hand Dell is supposed to be this big embracer of linux and by
them selling linux systems it was going to be the end for Microsoft and
linux would dominate the desktop. Yet when Dell advertises it's computers to
ordinary consumers linux (once again) gets no mention.


>>
>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
>> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>
>> Poor Linux...
>
>
> Poor you.
>

Poor Ricktard. Can't figure out what a Dell catalog doesn't promote OSX from
one of their competitors. Next he'll be wondering why the Apple catalog
doesn't promote Dell computers.


> --
> Rick


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Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:37:11 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:RLadncDqLeYmMBnVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@supernews.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>
>> How many OS X systems were mentioned?
>
> None. Why should that be a surprise since Dell does *NOT* sell OSX but
> supposedly does sell linux.

Not supposedly. They do sell a small number of Linux based systems, and
they don't advertise it much at all. It is almost a custom service.

>
>
>> Solaris?
>
> I don't think that Dell sells Solaris either. And even if they did...
> this is a "back to school" catalog with computers for students, not for
> the server room in some IT department. They didn't mention *mainframes*
> either since about as many students will be buying mainframes as they
> will Solaris servers.

And as a "back to school" catalog, why would they feature Linux based
systems?

>
>
>
>>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>>> especially on notebooks.
>>>
>>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
>>> Martii or HPT!!
>>>
>>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never lose
>>> it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with everything.
>>>
>>> So where is Linux?
>>
>> Where is OS X, or Solaris?
>
> OSX is sold by Apple and it's retailers. Dell does *NOT* sell Mac's so
> you would have to be a pretty big idiot to wonder why Dell doesn't
> advertise computers for their competitors.
>
> Solaris isn't a appropriate OS for kids returning to school so it
> doesn't take much brains to see why something like Solaris isn't
> mentioned in a "Back to School" catalog for kids.
>
> On the other hand Dell is supposed to be this big embracer of linux and
> by them selling linux systems it was going to be the end for Microsoft
> and linux would dominate the desktop. Yet when Dell advertises it's
> computers to ordinary consumers linux (once again) gets no mention.

They do sell a small number of Linux based systems, and they don't
advertise it much at all. It is almost a custom service.

>
>
>
>>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
>>> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>>
>>> Poor Linux...
>>
>>
>> Poor you.
>>
>>
> Poor Ricktard. Can't figure out what a Dell catalog doesn't promote OSX
> from one of their competitors. Next he'll be wondering why the Apple
> catalog doesn't promote Dell computers.

Poor Ezekiel astroll, he just can't stand the fact that Linux based
systems are being sold, and used.

>
>
>> --
>> Rick
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

And he doesn't seem to be able to get his news reader to work.



--
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Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

"Rick" <none@nomail.com> stated in post
RLadncPqLeZwJxnVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@supernews.com on 7/21/08 9:35 AM:

> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:03:10 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> stated in post
>> RLadncDqLeYmMBnVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@supernews.com on 7/21/08 8:39 AM:
>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>
>>> How many OS X systems were mentioned? Solaris?
>>
>> Why do you focus on OS X so much in a Linux news group?
>
> Why are you such a horse's ass?
>
>
I asked a legitimate question - you often whine about me posting about OS
X... but I bet a greater percentage of your posts bring up OS X than do
mine.

You are a hypocrite... and when I point it out you call me names.

Oh well.


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"Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:37:11 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>
>> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:RLadncDqLeYmMBnVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@supernews.com...
>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>
>>> How many OS X systems were mentioned?
>>
>> None. Why should that be a surprise since Dell does *NOT* sell OSX but
>> supposedly does sell linux.
>
> Not supposedly. They do sell a small number of Linux based systems, and
> they don't advertise it much at all. It is almost a custom service.

So much for taking over the desktop then if the only way to get linux from
Dell is as some sort of "custom service" like approach.


>>
>>
>>> Solaris?
>>
>> I don't think that Dell sells Solaris either. And even if they did...
>> this is a "back to school" catalog with computers for students, not for
>> the server room in some IT department. They didn't mention *mainframes*
>> either since about as many students will be buying mainframes as they
>> will Solaris servers.
>
> And as a "back to school" catalog, why would they feature Linux based
> systems?

According to "advocates" here linux is incredibly easy to use and more than
ready for the desktop. If linux were truly ready for the desktop and
consumers then why wouldn't Dell put linux in there catalog? (It's a
multi-page catalog... at least mention it once!)


>>
>>
>>
>>>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>>>> especially on notebooks.
>>>>
>>>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
>>>> Martii or HPT!!
>>>>
>>>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never lose
>>>> it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with everything.
>>>>
>>>> So where is Linux?
>>>
>>> Where is OS X, or Solaris?
>>
>> OSX is sold by Apple and it's retailers. Dell does *NOT* sell Mac's so
>> you would have to be a pretty big idiot to wonder why Dell doesn't
>> advertise computers for their competitors.
>>
>> Solaris isn't a appropriate OS for kids returning to school so it
>> doesn't take much brains to see why something like Solaris isn't
>> mentioned in a "Back to School" catalog for kids.
>>
>> On the other hand Dell is supposed to be this big embracer of linux and
>> by them selling linux systems it was going to be the end for Microsoft
>> and linux would dominate the desktop. Yet when Dell advertises it's
>> computers to ordinary consumers linux (once again) gets no mention.
>
> They do sell a small number of Linux based systems, and they don't
> advertise it much at all. It is almost a custom service.

Why don't they advertise it? Could it be that Dell did try advertising linux
and learned that there is zero to no return for their advertising dollar.


>>
>>
>>
>>>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
>>>> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>>>
>>>> Poor Linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> Poor you.
>>>
>>>
>> Poor Ricktard. Can't figure out what a Dell catalog doesn't promote OSX
>> from one of their competitors. Next he'll be wondering why the Apple
>> catalog doesn't promote Dell computers.
>
> Poor Ezekiel astroll, he just can't stand the fact that Linux based
> systems are being sold, and used.

Sold and used by who? Dell refuses to even mention them once in a multi-page
catalog. According to *you* getting a linux machine from Dell is practically
a "custom service" and you have to know to ask for it. Given this it's
reasonable to assume that consumer linux sales at Dell are pretty bad and
it's just a matter of time before Dell abandons linux like they did the last
time. And the "advocate" liars here will post nonsense conspiracy theories
of how Michael Dell was forced by Microsoft not to sell linux.


>>
>>
>>> --
>>> Rick
>>
>>
>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>
> And he doesn't seem to be able to get his news reader to work.
>
>
>
> --
> Rick


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>
> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
> especially on notebooks.
>
> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
> Martii or HPT!!
>
> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never lose
> it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with everything.
>
> So where is Linux?
>
> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>
> Poor Linux...
 
In article <RqydnXQLqpA2LBnVnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@comcast.com>,
General Schvantzkopf <schvantzkopf@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dell buries their Linux machines, it's easier to find the Loch Ness
> monster then it is to find a Linux box on Dell's website.

Not really. Starting from www.dell.com:

Clicked "Home and Home Office" in the "shop" section at the bottom.

Clicked "Open-Source PCs" in the "PC Operating Systems" section in
the left sidebar.

Clicked "Shop for Ubuntu".

That wasn't very hard.

> Lenovo is much better, they put Linux right out front.

I've never been to lenovo.com before, at least that I recall. So let's
see how long it takes me to find Linux.

Clicked "Notebooks".

Clicked "Linux".

OK, one less step at Lenovo, because I didn't have to first declare what
kind of use I intended for the machine.

If I had declared my intended use, let's see what would have happened.

Clicked "Home and Home Office".

I now have to choose a series, or I can click "Browse all Lenovo
notebooks". If I do that, I get a page that has a Linux link. So,
three steps, same as Dell.

If I go down the path of choosing a series, it looks like I no longer am
presented with a Linux option. It just leads to specific models, and
their customization pages, which don't seem to offer an OS choice.

It doesn't seem to me that Lenovo is a clear winner here.

--
--Tim Smith
 
In article <RLadncDqLeYmMBnVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@supernews.com>,
Rick <none@nomail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
> > Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>
> How many OS X systems were mentioned? Solaris?

Dell has asked to sell OS X, and their request was denied.

Unless you are hinting that Dell wanted to put Linux in their booklet,
but were unable to obtain permission, your mention of OS X is
*completely* irrelevant.

--
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"Tim Smith" <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
news:reply_in_group-46BCBA.11365421072008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <RqydnXQLqpA2LBnVnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@comcast.com>,
> General Schvantzkopf <schvantzkopf@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dell buries their Linux machines, it's easier to find the Loch Ness
>> monster then it is to find a Linux box on Dell's website.
>
> Not really. Starting from www.dell.com:
>
> Clicked "Home and Home Office" in the "shop" section at the bottom.

No problem so far. Most people would probably do this.



> Clicked "Open-Source PCs" in the "PC Operating Systems" section in
> the left sidebar.

This is where it falls apart. After you first click on "Home and Home
Office" the main content of the page (with the large colorful photos) shows
laptops, desktops, etc which is the "path" that nearly all visitors to the
website will follow. People who are interested in a laptop will click to
"Browse Laptops" and desktop shoppers will "Browse Desktop" systems.

At this stage of the buying process few people are going to look at the
small-font along the left side of the screen for something that says
"Open-Source PCs" unless they already have their mind made up to purchase
one before they go to the website.

Technically "open source PCs" are on the Dell website but it's not in a
location that's likely to attract any interest or attention for site
visitors. Now if the page had a huge colorful link to "Open-Source PCs" the
same way they have for Desktops and Laptops then it would be a different
story. But a small text-only link burried somewhere on the page simply isn't
going to pull in the same number of hits as the other items.




> Clicked "Shop for Ubuntu".
>
> That wasn't very hard.
>
>> Lenovo is much better, they put Linux right out front.
>
> I've never been to lenovo.com before, at least that I recall. So let's
> see how long it takes me to find Linux.
>
> Clicked "Notebooks".
>
> Clicked "Linux".
>
> OK, one less step at Lenovo, because I didn't have to first declare what
> kind of use I intended for the machine.
>
> If I had declared my intended use, let's see what would have happened.
>
> Clicked "Home and Home Office".
>
> I now have to choose a series, or I can click "Browse all Lenovo
> notebooks". If I do that, I get a page that has a Linux link. So,
> three steps, same as Dell.
>
> If I go down the path of choosing a series, it looks like I no longer am
> presented with a Linux option. It just leads to specific models, and
> their customization pages, which don't seem to offer an OS choice.
>
> It doesn't seem to me that Lenovo is a clear winner here.
>
> --
> --Tim Smith


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"Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:r68ivwdhif37.rkdchpuugut9$.dlg@40tude.net...
>
> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>
> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
> especially on notebooks.
>
> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz, Martii
> or HPT!!
>
> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
> You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with
> everything.
>
> So where is Linux?
>
> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the Christmas
> season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>
> Poor Linux...
>
>
>
> --
> Moshe Goldfarb
> Collector of soaps from around the globe.
> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

Why would they mention Linsux? There are only 2 people that might want it.
 
Re: Just Got The Dell "Back To School" Catalog... Linux???? Whereis it hiding????

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:05:54 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:RLadncLqLeYDIBnVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@supernews.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:37:11 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:
>>
>>> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:RLadncDqLeYmMBnVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@supernews.com...
>>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>>
>>>> How many OS X systems were mentioned?
>>>
>>> None. Why should that be a surprise since Dell does *NOT* sell OSX but
>>> supposedly does sell linux.
>>
>> Not supposedly. They do sell a small number of Linux based systems, and
>> they don't advertise it much at all. It is almost a custom service.
>
> So much for taking over the desktop then if the only way to get linux
> from Dell is as some sort of "custom service" like approach.

Why do you think I am pushing "taking over the desktop", and why do you
think Dell would be crucial?

>
>
>
>>>
>>>> Solaris?
>>>
>>> I don't think that Dell sells Solaris either. And even if they did...
>>> this is a "back to school" catalog with computers for students, not
>>> for the server room in some IT department. They didn't mention
>>> *mainframes* either since about as many students will be buying
>>> mainframes as they will Solaris servers.
>>
>> And as a "back to school" catalog, why would they feature Linux based
>> systems?
>
> According to "advocates" here linux is incredibly easy to use and more
> than ready for the desktop.

Linux based systems can be easy to use, and since doctors, lawyers, stock
brokers, movie studio artists, government employees scientists and
Taiwanese housewives seem to be able to use it on the desktop, it must be
ready for somebodies desktop.

> If linux were truly ready for the desktop
> and consumers then why wouldn't Dell put linux in there catalog? (It's a
> multi-page catalog... at least mention it once!)

Lack of demand. People have Windows machines. They are comfortable with
Windows machines. Many of them don't even know there are choices.

>>>>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>>>>> especially on notebooks.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
>>>>> Martii or HPT!!
>>>>>
>>>>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never
>>>>> lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with
>>>>> everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> So where is Linux?
>>>>
>>>> Where is OS X, or Solaris?
>>>
>>> OSX is sold by Apple and it's retailers. Dell does *NOT* sell Mac's so
>>> you would have to be a pretty big idiot to wonder why Dell doesn't
>>> advertise computers for their competitors.
>>>
>>> Solaris isn't a appropriate OS for kids returning to school so it
>>> doesn't take much brains to see why something like Solaris isn't
>>> mentioned in a "Back to School" catalog for kids.
>>>
>>> On the other hand Dell is supposed to be this big embracer of linux
>>> and by them selling linux systems it was going to be the end for
>>> Microsoft and linux would dominate the desktop. Yet when Dell
>>> advertises it's computers to ordinary consumers linux (once again)
>>> gets no mention.
>>
>> They do sell a small number of Linux based systems, and they don't
>> advertise it much at all. It is almost a custom service.
>
> Why don't they advertise it? Could it be that Dell did try advertising
> linux and learned that there is zero to no return for their advertising
> dollar.

That could be true.

>>>>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
>>>>> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Poor Linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Poor you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Poor Ricktard. Can't figure out what a Dell catalog doesn't promote
>>> OSX from one of their competitors. Next he'll be wondering why the
>>> Apple catalog doesn't promote Dell computers.
>>
>> Poor Ezekiel astroll, he just can't stand the fact that Linux based
>> systems are being sold, and used.
>
> Sold and used by who?

WalMart. For One.

> Dell refuses to even mention them once in a
> multi-page catalog.

... multi-page back to school catalog.

> According to *you* getting a linux machine from Dell
> is practically a "custom service" and you have to know to ask for it.
> Given this it's reasonable to assume that consumer linux sales at Dell
> are pretty bad and it's just a matter of time before Dell abandons linux
> like they did the last time.

That is quite an extrapolation you have going there. too bad it is
probably flawed.

> And the "advocate" liars here will post
> nonsense conspiracy theories of how Michael Dell was forced by Microsoft
> not to sell linux.

.... as opposed to the untruths you post ?

>
>
>
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>> And he doesn't seem to be able to get his news reader to work.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rick
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

And he doesn't seem to be able to get his news reader to work.



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On 2008-07-21, Ezekiel <y@r.com> wrote:
>
> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:RLadncDqLeYmMBnVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@supernews.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>
>> How many OS X systems were mentioned?
>
> None. Why should that be a surprise since Dell does *NOT* sell OSX but
> supposedly does sell linux.
>
>
>> Solaris?
>
> I don't think that Dell sells Solaris either. And even if they did... this
> is a "back to school" catalog with computers for students, not for the

The first place I ever saw Sun kit for sale was in my school bookstore.

They were sold alongside the Macintoshes.

They had A/UX machines for sale as well.

> server room in some IT department. They didn't mention *mainframes* either
> since about as many students will be buying mainframes as they will Solaris
> servers.

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On 2008-07-21, Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
> In article <RqydnXQLqpA2LBnVnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@comcast.com>,
> General Schvantzkopf <schvantzkopf@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dell buries their Linux machines, it's easier to find the Loch Ness
>> monster then it is to find a Linux box on Dell's website.
>
> Not really. Starting from www.dell.com:
>
> Clicked "Home and Home Office" in the "shop" section at the bottom.
>
> Clicked "Open-Source PCs" in the "PC Operating Systems" section in
> the left sidebar.
>
> Clicked "Shop for Ubuntu".

....which is "fine" so long as you know that Ubuntu -> Linux.

Although even that is rather obscure considering that you have to go
through a link labeled "open source PCs" to get it.

Any navigation should be straight and to the point.

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:37:11 -0400, Ezekiel wrote:

> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
> news:RLadncDqLeYmMBnVnZ2dnUVZ_sjinZ2d@supernews.com...
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:34:55 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>
>> How many OS X systems were mentioned?
>
> None. Why should that be a surprise since Dell does *NOT* sell OSX but
> supposedly does sell linux.
>
>
>> Solaris?
>
> I don't think that Dell sells Solaris either. And even if they did... this
> is a "back to school" catalog with computers for students, not for the
> server room in some IT department. They didn't mention *mainframes* either
> since about as many students will be buying mainframes as they will Solaris
> servers.
>
>
>>>
>>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>>> especially on notebooks.
>>>
>>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
>>> Martii or HPT!!
>>>
>>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO. You'll never lose
>>> it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with everything.
>>>
>>> So where is Linux?
>>
>> Where is OS X, or Solaris?
>
> OSX is sold by Apple and it's retailers. Dell does *NOT* sell Mac's so you
> would have to be a pretty big idiot to wonder why Dell doesn't advertise
> computers for their competitors.
>
> Solaris isn't a appropriate OS for kids returning to school so it doesn't
> take much brains to see why something like Solaris isn't mentioned in a
> "Back to School" catalog for kids.
>
> On the other hand Dell is supposed to be this big embracer of linux and by
> them selling linux systems it was going to be the end for Microsoft and
> linux would dominate the desktop. Yet when Dell advertises it's computers to
> ordinary consumers linux (once again) gets no mention.
>
>
>>>
>>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
>>> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>>
>>> Poor Linux...
>>
>>
>> Poor you.
>>
>
> Poor Ricktard. Can't figure out what a Dell catalog doesn't promote OSX from
> one of their competitors. Next he'll be wondering why the Apple catalog
> doesn't promote Dell computers.
>
>
>> --
>> Rick
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

The simple concepts go right over Rick's head....

I'll bet he walks into his local Honda dealer and asks where the Corvettes
are parked.

--
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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, JEDIDIAH
<jedi@nomad.mishnet>
wrote
on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:07:50 -0500
<slrng89nk6.kd4.jedi@nomad.mishnet>:
> On 2008-07-21, Tim Smith <reply_in_group@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
>> In article <RqydnXQLqpA2LBnVnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@comcast.com>,
>> General Schvantzkopf <schvantzkopf@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Dell buries their Linux machines, it's easier to find the Loch Ness
>>> monster then it is to find a Linux box on Dell's website.
>>
>> Not really. Starting from www.dell.com:
>>
>> Clicked "Home and Home Office" in the "shop" section at the bottom.

Which they've moved, thank goodness the old implementation
got hidden, presumably because of a z-ordering miscode.

>>
>> Clicked "Open-Source PCs" in the "PC Operating Systems" section in
>> the left sidebar.
>>
>> Clicked "Shop for Ubuntu".
>
> ...which is "fine" so long as you know that Ubuntu -> Linux.
>
> Although even that is rather obscure considering that you have to go
> through a link labeled "open source PCs" to get it.

To their credit, that link is now visible on the left
side without using their pulldown menu bar (which has
also been redesigned, to make it more obvious -- using
tiny downward-pointing triangles -- that it is a pulldown
menu bar).

Again to their credit, they have a small explainer on "What
Is Open Source?" on the page to which this link points,
plus short snippets on Ubuntu and FreeDOS, along with
green transference buttons (both of which are actually
put twice on this page, the assumption apparently that
one might either go directly there, or scroll down a bit
and read the fine print then go to where one wants there's
also a "Shop for Windows" button in case one got here either
by mistake or has determined he does need Windows after all).

Of course one looking for Ubuntu will have to find this link
I'm not sure everyone knows that Ubuntu is open source.

(I'm sure not everyone knows about Ubuntu, though. -) )

The blurb for Ubuntu mentions that it is "Linux-based",
which is probably sufficient for those "in the know".
The Average Joe is probably more interested in the rest
of the blurb, which among other things, mentions "office
productivity" software (going into detail what things are
in such), e-mail, calendar, and chat.

There is also a very tiny video viewer, showing a 4:53
video purporting to inform what Linux is without "geeking"
people out.

>
> Any navigation should be straight and to the point.

It could be better but this incarnation isn't too bad,
though it's still not quite equal to Windows. But
then, I'm not sure all customers "get it", unlike those
that www.eRacks.com expects to visit apparently (they
offer a choice of non-Windows distros, among them FreeBSD,
Ubuntu, and Gentoo -- *after* choosing hardware).

>
> [deletia]
>

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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, WhøKñèw
<Whøkñèw@kñèwwhø.com>
wrote
on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:01:22 GMT
<625hk.269046$fz6.28075@fe08.news.easynews.com>:
>
> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:r68ivwdhif37.rkdchpuugut9$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>
>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>
>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>> especially on notebooks.
>>
>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz, Martii
>> or HPT!!
>>
>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
>> You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends in with
>> everything.
>>
>> So where is Linux?
>>
>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the Christmas
>> season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>
>> Poor Linux...
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Moshe Goldfarb
>> Collector of soaps from around the globe.
>> Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
>> http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/
>
> Why would they mention [Linux]? There are only 2 people that might want it.
>

Why is Dell offering Ubuntu-preloaded hardware, then?

--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net
Windows Vista. Because it's time to refresh your hardware. Trust us.
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
 
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, WhøKñèw
> <Whøkñèw@kñèwwhø.com>
> wrote
> on Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:01:22 GMT
> <625hk.269046$fz6.28075@fe08.news.easynews.com>:
>>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:r68ivwdhif37.rkdchpuugut9$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>
>>> Not a mention of Linux anywhere in the booklet.
>>>
>>> Windows Vista is everywhere and there are some pretty decent deals,
>>> especially on notebooks.
>>>
>>> There is a nice pink one that would be perfect for Roy Schestowitz,
>>> Martii or HPT!!
>>>
>>> It has a $25.00 premium though, which is a rip IMHO.
>>> You'll never lose it though, unlike a black Thinkpad which blends
>>> in with everything.
>>>
>>> So where is Linux?
>>>
>>> This is one of Dell's biggest times of the year, along with the
>>> Christmas season but yet Linux is once again MIA.
>>>
>>> Poor Linux...
>>>
>>
>> Why would they mention [Linux]? There are only 2 people that might
>> want it.
>>
>
> Why is Dell offering Ubuntu-preloaded hardware, then?

For those 2, I guess.
 

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