I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista

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"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fj9dkg$8qr$3@aioe.org...
> bomb#20 wrote:
>> john wrote:
>> > these days all you have to do is receive the email, or
>>> visit a website, or just be connected to the internet.
>>> virus and spyware purveyors are much more clever these days, cleverer
>>> then many "savvy" users.
>>>
>>> even being connected without a -good- AV app runing is just asking
>>> for it.
>>
>> I'll ask you the same question, as the other two refuse to aswer:
>>
>> If just being connected to the internet gets you infected, then your '
>> good AV '
>> has no doubt flagged lots of hits over time.
>> Can you please post details of the viruses found and the name of your '
>> good AV '.
>> You should find lots of details in your antivirus programs log or
>> quarantine folder.
>> I obviously need to install an antivirus program but as yet no one can
>> tell me which one
>> catches all these viruses.
>> Thank you.
>> .
>>
>
> Here's something that ignores and laughs at viruses and malware:
>
> www.ubuntu.com/
>
> You're welcome.
>
> Alias

I think you mistyped. You should have said Ubuntu is something that
everyone laughs at and should be ignored.

You're welcome.

Bill
 
dzomlija wrote:
> bomb#20536444 Wrote:
>> That address is wrong.
>> The correct address is astalavista.com/
>> And no, I didn't get any viruses, just the usual pop-ups.
>> ..
>
> Maybe your firewall is blocking the .box.sk top-level domain. I just
> went there now, and I got in.
>
> But did you try to follow any of the links that it provides? Therein
> lies the danger. I clicked on one link after performing a search, and
> Norton went nuts!

I just got 'page not available' like it was down or something, plus a warning from Google
about a 'dangerouse site'. I couldn't get any further.
Anyway, I have often used that site and others and have yet to get a virus.
I am not surprised Norton went nuts. I imagine it's like all the other antivirus
programs that flash and sound alarms when they get a text cookie.
They are just trying to justify their existence.
..
 
Alias wrote:
> bomb#20 wrote:
>> john wrote:
>> > these days all you have to do is receive the email, or
>>> visit a website, or just be connected to the internet.
>>> virus and spyware purveyors are much more clever these days,
>>> cleverer then many "savvy" users.
>>>
>>> even being connected without a -good- AV app runing is just asking
>>> for it.
>>
>> I'll ask you the same question, as the other two refuse to aswer:
>>
>> If just being connected to the internet gets you infected, then your
>> ' good AV ' has no doubt flagged lots of hits over time.
>> Can you please post details of the viruses found and the name of
>> your ' good AV '. You should find lots of details in your antivirus programs log or
>> quarantine folder. I obviously need to install an antivirus program but as yet no one
>> can tell me which one catches all these viruses.
>> Thank you.
>> .
>
> Here's something that ignores and laughs at viruses and malware:
>
> wwwubuntucom/
>
> You're welcome.
>
> Alias

Tried it - total crap. It screwed up my hard disk so much it wouldn't boot. I ended
up having to edit the disk with a hex editor to get a dos format to work.
..
 
Steve Thackery wrote:
>> I'll ask you the same question, as the other two refuse to aswer:
>
> It's interesting, isn't it, that when the chips are down it goes
> strangely quiet?
>
> As you say, if there is a significant risk of infection from the
> Internet, these guy's should have log files with plenty of entries.
>
> Let's seem 'em guys. And of course we'll have to trust you not to
> cheat.
> SteveT

I think expecting honesty is taking it a bit too far!
..
 
Hi,

I don't remember when was the last time I was infected but I still use AV
for precautions. The following article explains some new tactics used by
hackers, such as using applications or web-based programs.

You may, say, open a document or presentation file from your colleague that
has been infected and the virus would be transferred to your computer.

http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-178936.html

They always target the vulnerable ones first and then use them as a bridge
to attack other victims, and the question is, we, or at least I, don't
always know their latest tactics for doing so. AV for me is a passive
defense (vs. active defense) mechanism which cannot replace safe practice
such as those you've mentioned.

Good luck though.


"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uij3UIDOIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> I'll ask you the same question, as the other two refuse to aswer:
>
> It's interesting, isn't it, that when the chips are down it goes strangely
> quiet?
>
> As you say, if there is a significant risk of infection from the Internet,
> these guy's should have log files with plenty of entries.
>
> Let's seem 'em guys. And of course we'll have to trust you not to cheat.
>
> SteveT
 
bomb#20 wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> bomb#20 wrote:
>>> john wrote:
>>> > these days all you have to do is receive the email, or
>>>> visit a website, or just be connected to the internet.
>>>> virus and spyware purveyors are much more clever these days,
>>>> cleverer then many "savvy" users.
>>>>
>>>> even being connected without a -good- AV app runing is just asking
>>>> for it.
>>> I'll ask you the same question, as the other two refuse to aswer:
>>>
>>> If just being connected to the internet gets you infected, then your
>>> ' good AV ' has no doubt flagged lots of hits over time.
>>> Can you please post details of the viruses found and the name of
>>> your ' good AV '. You should find lots of details in your antivirus programs log or
>>> quarantine folder. I obviously need to install an antivirus program but as yet no one
>>> can tell me which one catches all these viruses.
>>> Thank you.
>>> .
>> Here's something that ignores and laughs at viruses and malware:
>>
>> wwwubuntucom/
>>
>> You're welcome.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Tried it - total crap.

How long ago, what version?

> It screwed up my hard disk so much it wouldn't boot. I ended
> up having to edit the disk with a hex editor to get a dos format to work.

Funny, I've installed it on dozens of computers and all the
installations were smooth. You do know how to set your BIOS to boot from
the CDROM and follow simple instructions, don't you?

Alias
 
"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uij3UIDOIHA.4740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> I'll ask you the same question, as the other two refuse to aswer:
>
> It's interesting, isn't it, that when the chips are down it goes strangely
> quiet?

from my viewpoint, it's because if you don't know what's wrong with surfing
the internet without antivirus, then I doubt I could explain it to you.

just be careful giving out that kind of advise though, otherwise you'll get
nominated for MVP.
 
Re: I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista - FINAL REPORT

Colleagues,

Only one of you took up my challenge: to find a website for me to explore
that will infect my unprotected Vista machine:

http [colon] [double forward slash] astalavista [dot] box [dot] sk

Well, I spent about 40 minutes there, clicking around and following all the
links I could find. Only one - 'contact the Webmaster' - popped up a
warning saying it wanted to run my email client outside of IE7's protected
zone, to which I clicked 'Cancel', obviously. In fairness, I believe all
mailto: tags produce this warning regardless of their safety. This may or
may not have been benign.

After exploring the site I immediately went to Kaspersky and installed their
on-line scanner, which claims to be just as effective as their full-blown
product. I did a scan and here are the results, cut and pasted:

Total number of scanned objects: 43981
Number of viruses found: 0
Number of infected objects: 0
Number of suspicious objects: 0
Duration of the scan process: 00:11:10

Obviously, one cannot prove a negative, but so far all the evidence is on my
side: that you don't need an antivirus product when using Vista, unless you
DELIBERATELY ignore UAC prompts and other safety warnings.

So, colleagues, I shall regard my argument as vindicated and continue
without any antivirus product.

SteveT
 
Re: I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista - FINAL REPORT

"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ujUo1xMOIHA.3516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Colleagues,
>
> Only one of you took up my challenge: to find a website for me to explore
> that will infect my unprotected Vista machine:
>
> http [colon] [double forward slash] astalavista [dot] box [dot] sk
>
> Well, I spent about 40 minutes there, clicking around and following all
> the links I could find. Only one - 'contact the Webmaster' - popped up a
> warning saying it wanted to run my email client outside of IE7's protected
> zone, to which I clicked 'Cancel', obviously. In fairness, I believe all
> mailto: tags produce this warning regardless of their safety. This may or
> may not have been benign.
>
> After exploring the site I immediately went to Kaspersky and installed
> their on-line scanner, which claims to be just as effective as their
> full-blown product. I did a scan and here are the results, cut and
> pasted:
>
> Total number of scanned objects: 43981
> Number of viruses found: 0
> Number of infected objects: 0
> Number of suspicious objects: 0
> Duration of the scan process: 00:11:10
>
> Obviously, one cannot prove a negative, but so far all the evidence is on
> my side: that you don't need an antivirus product when using Vista, unless
> you DELIBERATELY ignore UAC prompts and other safety warnings.
>
> So, colleagues, I shall regard my argument as vindicated and continue
> without any antivirus product.
>
> SteveT
>
>
>

Security is layered.
It won't hurt to add another free layer such as avast AV.
 
Alias wrote:
>
> How long ago, what version?
>
>
> Funny, I've installed it on dozens of computers and all the
> installations were smooth. You do know how to set your BIOS to boot
> from the CDROM and follow simple instructions, don't you?
>
> Alias

About a year ago, Ubuntu something or other.

Yes, I can follow simple instructions.
..
 
bomb#20 wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>> How long ago, what version?
>>
>>
>> Funny, I've installed it on dozens of computers and all the
>> installations were smooth. You do know how to set your BIOS to boot
>> from the CDROM and follow simple instructions, don't you?
>>
>> Alias
>
> About a year ago, Ubuntu something or other.

No wonder. Ubuntu has had a new versions out since the, each more user
friendly.

>
> Yes, I can follow simple instructions.

Then try it with Ubuntu 7.10, aka Gutsy Gibbon.

Alias
 
What antivirus software do you reccommend for Vista Home Premium. I was
running McAfee and ran into multiple problems so I uninstalled. I installed
CA which was free through my ISP, and that was no better. I am currently
running with nothing.

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:

> Trust me, you need Antivirus for Windows Vista, I am running Vista x64 and I
> was surprised when I did a scan with Norton AV Corporate Edition 10.2 it
> fold several Trojan horses and viruses under C:/Windows which successfully
> cleaned and deleted. But regardless of all the security technologies that
> come built into the OS, hackers are constantly attacking the platform and
> finding new ways to infiltrate the system. That is why you have Antivirus to
> stay one step ahead.
> --
> Andre
> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:eAFIU93NIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> > I've created a new thread for this because it is seriously off-topic for
> > the original thread (see "Vista Key.." below).
> >
> > I wrote:
> >
> >>>
> > I've been running Vista Home Premium since 31st January, WITHOUT any
> > anti-virus software at all, and in fact no other security software
> > whatsoever apart from what comes "in the box". It is powered up all the
> > time and permanently connected to the Internet via a router.
> >
> > It has remained absolutely clean as a whistle. No malware whatsoever.
> > <<
> >
> > Alias responded with a very reasonable question:
> >
> >> How would you know? There are millions of computers controlled by bot
> >> nets without the computer owner's knowledge. Root kits and spyware don't
> >> exactly pop up and say, "hey look at me".
> >
> > And some rather less eloquent person called john declared:
> >
> >> what a load...
> >
> > Here's how I know: because last week I tried two separate
> > "we'll-scan-your-PC" services offered by well known anti-virus vendors,
> > who are hoping to scare you into buying their products. Did it a couple
> > of times in previous months, too. Also I've got a NOD32 licence (which I
> > don't use) but I installed it temporarily to see what it said.
> >
> > So, then, that's three separate scans from three separate vendors, and not
> > a single peep.
> >
> > I've also got PC Tools antispyware (again which I don't use), but
> > installed it temporarily. Again, clean as a whistle. Nothing from
> > Vista's built-in anti-malware thing either.
> >
> > Let me ask you something, John and Alias, and you've got to answer
> > truthfully: when was the last time your anti-virus / security software
> > popped up and warned you that there was an infection in your machine (or
> > it had just stopped an infection)?
> >
> > I'll tell you my answer: I honestly can't remember. I've been using PCs
> > since well before Windows existed and in truth I've got a vague memory
> > from (literally) years ago that I once saw a warning, but it is very vague
> > and maybe it was from one of the test files you can get.
> >
> > Having bought a second computer two years ago, I decided to experiment by
> > leaving it connected full time to the Internet with NO protection
> > whatsoever (I kept using NOD32 on my main machine). For the first year it
> > ran XP SP2, for the second year it ran Vista Home Premium. I scanned it
> > three times in the first year, and I've scanned it three times this year,
> > and in EVERY instance it was completely clean.
> >
> > Avoiding malware is easy. Here is my three-step guide...
> >
> > 1/ Always connect to the Internet via a router with NAT and a built-in
> > firewall (i.e. all modern routers), NOT a USB modem.
> >
> > 2/ Use an ISP that offers virus and malware scanning on incoming emails
> > (they all do, these days).
> >
> > 3/ Use a modicum of common sense when downloading files and programs, and
> > in particular make sure they come from a reputable source.
> >
> > 4/ And in Vista, do NOT disable UAC (because it disables IE7's protected
> > mode): instead, make your account an administrator and then set UAC so it
> > does not require your password, just a click (this does not reduce your
> > protection significantly, and makes UAC perfectly bearable). Leave the
> > other security settings at their default.
> >
> > Yes, I know that's four steps, rather than three, but the final step only
> > applies to Vista.
> >
> > With this experience, I'm more convinced than ever that security products
> > over and above what comes with Vista "in the box" are, for me, completely
> > unnecessary and a waste of money.
> >
> > Is anyone else brave enough to reject the current paranoid paradigm?
> >
> > SteveT.
>
>
>
 
Alias wrote:

> MICHAEL wrote:
>> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:#gpzlHCOIHA.6060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> How am I supposed to find a website with a drive-by when I don't run
>>>> Windoze?
>>>
>>> Ah hah! So you spend your time on this group, but don't use Vista!
>>> Furthermore, you decline my challenge.
>>>
>>> I think that's one point for me, then.....
>>
>> Minus two points for not running a quality AV program.
>>
>> Is it possible to secure your machine and go prolonged
>> periods without an infection? Sure. Is it likely that
>> you count on staying infection free? No.
>>
>> Use AV software, please.
>>
>>
>> -Michael
>
> He will, as soon as he finds out he isn't invincible.
>
> Alias

Which he'll never find out if he doesn't scan his crappy box with some AV
software. He might find that over time his Windoze box is running slower
and slower, but that's just the way Windoze works, regardless if it's clean
of malware.

Cheers.

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Re: I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista - FINAL REPORT

Interesting logic.

Your test/logic is similar to those who insist that they don't need to
fasten seat belts because they have never experienced a crash car accident.
Good luck.


"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ujUo1xMOIHA.3516@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Colleagues,
>
> Only one of you took up my challenge: to find a website for me to explore
> that will infect my unprotected Vista machine:
>
> http [colon] [double forward slash] astalavista [dot] box [dot] sk
>
> Well, I spent about 40 minutes there, clicking around and following all
> the links I could find. Only one - 'contact the Webmaster' - popped up a
> warning saying it wanted to run my email client outside of IE7's protected
> zone, to which I clicked 'Cancel', obviously. In fairness, I believe all
> mailto: tags produce this warning regardless of their safety. This may or
> may not have been benign.
>
> After exploring the site I immediately went to Kaspersky and installed
> their on-line scanner, which claims to be just as effective as their
> full-blown product. I did a scan and here are the results, cut and
> pasted:
>
> Total number of scanned objects: 43981
> Number of viruses found: 0
> Number of infected objects: 0
> Number of suspicious objects: 0
> Duration of the scan process: 00:11:10
>
> Obviously, one cannot prove a negative, but so far all the evidence is on
> my side: that you don't need an antivirus product when using Vista, unless
> you DELIBERATELY ignore UAC prompts and other safety warnings.
>
> So, colleagues, I shall regard my argument as vindicated and continue
> without any antivirus product.
>
> SteveT
>
>
>
 
TheBosst127 wrote:
> What antivirus software do you reccommend for Vista Home Premium. I
> was running McAfee and ran into multiple problems so I uninstalled. I
> installed CA which was free through my ISP, and that was no better. I
> am currently running with nothing.
>
> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:
>
>> Trust me, you need Antivirus for Windows Vista, I am running Vista
>> x64 and I was surprised when I did a scan with Norton AV Corporate
>> Edition 10.2 it fold several Trojan horses and viruses under
>> C:/Windows which successfully cleaned and deleted.

I woudn't hold your breath waiting for an answer from Mr. Andre Da Costa.
I am still waiting to hear about the viruses he says Norton found in his
Windows directory.
If Norton had found something that Vista didn't block then I'm sure they would
have told the world about it.
So, I wouldn't trust any advice from Mr. Da Costa.
..
 
Re: I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista - FINAL REPORT

> Your test/logic is similar to those who insist that they don't need to
> fasten seat belts because they have never experienced a crash car
> accident.

Your logic is flawed, too. Why aren't you wearing a five point harness when
you drive? Why doesn't your car have a roll cage? Why, indeed, do you
drive at all, bearing in mind the risks?

I've done a risk assessment and can make an informed decision. You haven't.

SteveT
 
Re: I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista - FINAL REPORT

> Your logic is flawed, too.

That means you admitted your logic is flawed? :)

Anyway, risks are always there and you're absolutely right about it.

But it's all about to reduce the probability of "unnecessary" risk, and to
minimize the damage when the misfortune happened, right? Especially for
those we can't afford to lose or the costs will be too large? (e.g. data and
work hours)

Safe practice such as good driving habits, and in the case of using
computer, such as good programming practice and those you already mentioned
are active defense systems. But why do car manufacturers put air bags and
seat belts and so on? Those are passive defense systems for accidents that
are not caused by one's good driving habits. In that case, it's to reduce
the damage.

For virus infection, it's more than just how one wishes to use his/her
computer, for which case, I will totally respect one's choices and will not
join this thread. But if one gets infected, the system may become a bridge
for passing the virus to other systems, and that becomes a public safety
issue.

Admittedly, even AV is not 100% bullet proof but we can at least minimize
the risk to certain degree without exposing ourselves to all known and
unknown viruses. And if we are unfortunately infected, we could quickly fix
the problem or minimize the damage until a professional comes to rescue.

Vista has improved security and that's out of question, but it's not
invincible and I don't think any OS is invincible.

Honestly speaking, if your infection won't endanger others or if a reckless
driver won't hurt other innocent people or passengers in the car, I won't
care about it at all. But you may wish to reconsider not just for yourself
but also for others?

Unless of course, your system will never be online and you will never pass
any files from your system to others, it will be totally ok.

I think that I have made all necessary points, and the final choice is
yours, of course. So further decision may not be necessary.

Good luck.

"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:e33CrwYOIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Your test/logic is similar to those who insist that they don't need to
>> fasten seat belts because they have never experienced a crash car
>> accident.
>
> Your logic is flawed, too. Why aren't you wearing a five point harness
> when you drive? Why doesn't your car have a roll cage? Why, indeed, do
> you drive at all, bearing in mind the risks?
>
> I've done a risk assessment and can make an informed decision. You
> haven't.
>
> SteveT
 
Re: I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista - FINAL REPORT

I am tired, and I meant to say - further discussion may not be necessary.

Good luck.

"xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:On4aQnZOIHA.5140@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Your logic is flawed, too.
>
> That means you admitted your logic is flawed? :)
>
> Anyway, risks are always there and you're absolutely right about it.
>
> But it's all about to reduce the probability of "unnecessary" risk, and to
> minimize the damage when the misfortune happened, right? Especially for
> those we can't afford to lose or the costs will be too large? (e.g. data
> and work hours)
>
> Safe practice such as good driving habits, and in the case of using
> computer, such as good programming practice and those you already
> mentioned are active defense systems. But why do car manufacturers put
> air bags and seat belts and so on? Those are passive defense systems for
> accidents that are not caused by one's good driving habits. In that case,
> it's to reduce the damage.
>
> For virus infection, it's more than just how one wishes to use his/her
> computer, for which case, I will totally respect one's choices and will
> not join this thread. But if one gets infected, the system may become a
> bridge for passing the virus to other systems, and that becomes a public
> safety issue.
>
> Admittedly, even AV is not 100% bullet proof but we can at least minimize
> the risk to certain degree without exposing ourselves to all known and
> unknown viruses. And if we are unfortunately infected, we could quickly
> fix the problem or minimize the damage until a professional comes to
> rescue.
>
> Vista has improved security and that's out of question, but it's not
> invincible and I don't think any OS is invincible.
>
> Honestly speaking, if your infection won't endanger others or if a
> reckless driver won't hurt other innocent people or passengers in the car,
> I won't care about it at all. But you may wish to reconsider not just for
> yourself but also for others?
>
> Unless of course, your system will never be online and you will never pass
> any files from your system to others, it will be totally ok.
>
> I think that I have made all necessary points, and the final choice is
> yours, of course. So further decision may not be necessary.
>
> Good luck.
>
> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:e33CrwYOIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Your test/logic is similar to those who insist that they don't need to
>>> fasten seat belts because they have never experienced a crash car
>>> accident.
>>
>> Your logic is flawed, too. Why aren't you wearing a five point harness
>> when you drive? Why doesn't your car have a roll cage? Why, indeed, do
>> you drive at all, bearing in mind the risks?
>>
>> I've done a risk assessment and can make an informed decision. You
>> haven't.
>>
>> SteveT
>
>
 
"bomb#20" <darkstar@home> wrote in message
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> TheBosst127 wrote:
>> What antivirus software do you reccommend for Vista Home Premium. I
>> was running McAfee and ran into multiple problems so I uninstalled. I
>> installed CA which was free through my ISP, and that was no better. I
>> am currently running with nothing.
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" wrote:
>>
>>> Trust me, you need Antivirus for Windows Vista, I am running Vista
>>> x64 and I was surprised when I did a scan with Norton AV Corporate
>>> Edition 10.2 it fold several Trojan horses and viruses under
>>> C:/Windows which successfully cleaned and deleted.
>
> I woudn't hold your breath waiting for an answer from Mr. Andre Da Costa.
> I am still waiting to hear about the viruses he says Norton found in his
> Windows directory.
> If Norton had found something that Vista didn't block then I'm sure they
> would
> have told the world about it.
> So, I wouldn't trust any advice from Mr. Da Costa.

Well here is from MY scan logs from Norton...

12/10/2007 7:15:52 AM,Auto-Protect,CasinoOnNet,Removal not
attempted,File,2007.12.09.006,10.1.0.26,SYSTEM,KANG,"Source:
C:\Windows\Install.exe,Risk category: Security risk,Overall Risk Impact:
Low,Action taken: Removal not attempted"
12/10/2007 7:15:52 AM,Auto-Protect,CasinoOnNet,Removal not
attempted,File,2007.12.09.006,10.1.0.26,SYSTEM,KANG,"Source:
C:\Windows\Install.$$A,Risk category: Security risk,Overall Risk Impact:
Low,Action taken: Removal not attempted"

This little beauty popped an extra entry into my Vista start menu, BUT
didn't show up under the Classic start menu. Slipped past everything, and I
am protected out the wazoo. I had to do a manual removal.

So if this slipped past everything I have, there is INDEED a need for AV.

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Re: I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista - FINAL REPORT

"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Colleagues,
>
> Only one of you took up my challenge: to find a website for me to explore
> that will infect my unprotected Vista machine:
>
> http [colon] [double forward slash] astalavista [dot] box [dot] sk
>
> Well, I spent about 40 minutes there, clicking around and following all
> the links I could find. Only one - 'contact the Webmaster' - popped up a
> warning saying it wanted to run my email client outside of IE7's protected
> zone, to which I clicked 'Cancel', obviously. In fairness, I believe all
> mailto: tags produce this warning regardless of their safety. This may or
> may not have been benign.
>
> After exploring the site I immediately went to Kaspersky and installed
> their on-line scanner, which claims to be just as effective as their
> full-blown product. I did a scan and here are the results, cut and
> pasted:
>
> Total number of scanned objects: 43981
> Number of viruses found: 0
> Number of infected objects: 0
> Number of suspicious objects: 0
> Duration of the scan process: 00:11:10
>
> Obviously, one cannot prove a negative, but so far all the evidence is on
> my side: that you don't need an antivirus product when using Vista, unless
> you DELIBERATELY ignore UAC prompts and other safety warnings.
>
> So, colleagues, I shall regard my argument as vindicated and continue
> without any antivirus product.

Not vindicated, sorry. See my response to bomb#20. Norton DID find a virus
in my C:\windows folder.

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