I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista

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Steve Thackery wrote:
>> These days all you have to do is receive the email, or visit a
>> website, or just be connected to the internet.....
>>
>> ..even being connected without a -good- AV app runing is just asking
>> for it.
>
> You keep making this assertion, but where is your proof?
>
> I've got proof: my PC has been connected to the Internet continuously
> for two years, during which time I've made extensive use of email and
> web browsing (I work from home, and do my work on the unprotected PC),
> and it has come to no harm whatsoever.
>
> I repeat, have you actually tried it, like I have, or are you simply
> repeating the assertions you've been brainwashed into believing?
>
> SteveT

Why don't you mosey around this web site for awhile and then report back:

www.youporn.com

Be sure and click on the links below the videos.

Heh.

Alias
 
Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
> Trust me, you need Antivirus for Windows Vista, I am running Vista
> x64 and I was surprised when I did a scan with Norton AV Corporate
> Edition 10.2 it fold several Trojan horses and viruses under
> C:/Windows which successfully cleaned and deleted.

< snip >

As a previous poster refuses to name a virus he says he found on 5 th December 2007
pehaps you will tell me the names of the viruses you found with Norton AV Corporate?
I'm assuming there is some sort of log file you could quote from?
I am sure lots of people would like to know the threats out there.
What does Norton say about these dangers?
Perhaps you could post a link so that I can read all about it and make sure I am protected.
Thank you.
..
 
Hi Steve. I don't think you'll get very much of a response on that
challenge, so I figured I'd give you a link to try:

http [colon] [double forward slash] astalavista [dot] box [dot] sk

And no, the "VISTA" in that URL is not a reference to Windows Vista, as
this particular site has been around even before XP. My record for
killing a fresh XP SP2 installation after visiting the above site is
around 11 minutes or so. An original (pre-SP1) XP lasted about 4
minutes.

*-:mad:-*
*-And I caution all readers of this thread to NOT visit the above site
for anything other than testing purposes and if you have a very recent,
full backup of your system. -*
*--*
*-If you think you're brave enough to go look, do so on a non-critical
computer that you won't mind formatting later on.-*
*--*
*-You have been warned!-*
:mad:


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Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
> Trust me, you need Antivirus for Windows Vista, I am running Vista
> x64 and I was surprised when I did a scan with Norton AV Corporate
> Edition 10.2 it fold several Trojan horses and viruses under
> C:/Windows which successfully cleaned and deleted.

I am always reading on here that Vista stops files being written to system
folders. Isn't C:\Windows classed as a system folder ?
How can several trojan horses and viruses get there ? Why didn't Vista block them ?
This sounds like a very serious bug in Vista to me.
..
 
> Hi Steve. I don't think you'll get very much of a response on that
> challenge, so I figured I'd give you a link to try:

Thanks. I'll be using my computer all day, so this evening (UK time) I'll
back up all my work to my (Linux-based) NAS, and then have a play around on
that site.

If my PC gets infected I promise to say so here, complete with gruesome
descriptions!

SteveT
 
Steve Thackery wrote:

>> Here's an interesting little experiment. Yes, it's being run on XP, but
>> it does compare IE6, IE7 and Firefox 2 in terms of protecting against a
>> drive-by ...
>
> Hmmm.... but that "drive by" attack relies on an unpatched bug in IE6.
> IE7
> is unaffected, and IE6 was patched ages ago. Vista - which is what we're
> talking about - comes with IE7.
>
> What other drive-by attacks do you know of? Tell you what - I've got all
> my
> data backed up on a NAS, so here's a challenge. Find me a website which
> you think will infect my computer, and I will visit it with my unprotected
> but
> fully patched Vista machine, and we'll see what happens. I give you my
> word that I will post the results truthfully.
>
> Remember, I shall be complying with my "rules" (posted in the top
> message), of which number 3/ is relevant here: I won't deliberately or
> knowingly
> download a program file unless its from a reputable site. All other
> security settings are at the Vista default, except I've set my account to
> an administrator, and made it so UAC prompts don't need my password.
>
> There's the challenge. Go for it.
>
> SteveT

How am I supposed to find a website with a drive-by when I don't run
Windoze? My Linux box won't even notice. Besides, I have better things to
do with my life than play games with you and try and find such a web site.
Just keep surfing the web. Eventually you'll find one yourself. Of course,
if you aren't running an AV that recognizes it, you'll never know. :-)

Cheers.

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dzomlija wrote:

>
> Hi Steve. I don't think you'll get very much of a response on that
> challenge, so I figured I'd give you a link to try:
>
> http [colon] [double forward slash] astalavista [dot] box [dot] sk
>
> And no, the "VISTA" in that URL is not a reference to Windows Vista, as
> this particular site has been around even before XP. My record for
> killing a fresh XP SP2 installation after visiting the above site is
> around 11 minutes or so. An original (pre-SP1) XP lasted about 4
> minutes.
>
> *-:mad:-*
> *-And I caution all readers of this thread to NOT visit the above site
> for anything other than testing purposes and if you have a very recent,
> full backup of your system. -*
> *--*
> *-If you think you're brave enough to go look, do so on a non-critical
> computer that you won't mind formatting later on.-*
> *--*
> *-You have been warned!-*
> :mad:
>
>
OK, I'm on that site now. What's supposed to happen? Oops, sorry ... running
Linux. Guess nothing dangerous is going to happen.

Cheers.

--
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Frank - seek help immediately! Visit ...
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"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:OaOHnu$NIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> These days all you have to do is receive the email, or visit a website,
>> or just be connected to the internet.....
>>
>> ..even being connected without a -good- AV app runing is just asking for
>> it.
>
> You keep making this assertion, but where is your proof?

well first of all...

pffft

sorry, I'm gonna have to get back to you after I stop laughing.
 
> How am I supposed to find a website with a drive-by when I don't run
> Windoze?

Ah hah! So you spend your time on this group, but don't use Vista!
Furthermore, you decline my challenge.

I think that's one point for me, then.....

SteveT
 
dzomlija wrote:
> Hi Steve. I don't think you'll get very much of a response on that
> challenge, so I figured I'd give you a link to try:
>
> http [colon] [double forward slash] astalavista [dot] box [dot] sk
>
> And no, the "VISTA" in that URL is not a reference to Windows Vista,
> as this particular site has been around even before XP. My record for
> killing a fresh XP SP2 installation after visiting the above site is
> around 11 minutes or so. An original (pre-SP1) XP lasted about 4
> minutes.
>
> *-:mad:-*
> *-And I caution all readers of this thread to NOT visit the above site
> for anything other than testing purposes and if you have a very
> recent, full backup of your system. -*
> *--*
> *-If you think you're brave enough to go look, do so on a non-critical
> computer that you won't mind formatting later on.-*
> *--*
> *-You have been warned!-*
>> mad:

That address is wrong.
The correct address is astalavista.com/
And no, I didn't get any viruses, just the usual pop-ups.
..
 
"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fj8nfu$7oh$2@aioe.org...
> Steve Thackery wrote:
>>> These days all you have to do is receive the email, or visit a website,
>>> or just be connected to the internet.....
>>>
>>> ..even being connected without a -good- AV app runing is just asking for
>>> it.
>>
>> You keep making this assertion, but where is your proof?
>>
>> I've got proof: my PC has been connected to the Internet continuously for
>> two years, during which time I've made extensive use of email and web
>> browsing (I work from home, and do my work on the unprotected PC), and it
>> has come to no harm whatsoever.
>>
>> I repeat, have you actually tried it, like I have, or are you simply
>> repeating the assertions you've been brainwashed into believing?
>>
>> SteveT
>
> Why don't you mosey around this web site for awhile and then report back:
>
> www.youporn.com

Probably your favorite site. No wonder why you use Ubuntu!!!!!
>
> Be sure and click on the links below the videos.
>
> Heh.
>
> Alias
 
I use NOD32 as a precaution. I have not had an actual infection
in years on any of my machines.... unless, it was caused by testing.

I am quite surprised that someone with your knowledge, Andre,
would have "several Trojan horses and viruses" on their computer.
That's something I might expect from Hazel, my older neighbor
across the street. Or, from some kid who visits pirate sites.


-Michael

"Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:#Y3v1J4NIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Trust me, you need Antivirus for Windows Vista, I am running Vista x64 and I was surprised
> when I did a scan with Norton AV Corporate Edition 10.2 it fold several Trojan horses and
> viruses under C:/Windows which successfully cleaned and deleted. But regardless of all the
> security technologies that come built into the OS, hackers are constantly attacking the
> platform and finding new ways to infiltrate the system. That is why you have Antivirus to
> stay one step ahead.
> --
> Andre
> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!E8E5CC039D51E3DB!9709.entry
> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:eAFIU93NIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> I've created a new thread for this because it is seriously off-topic for the original thread
>> (see "Vista Key.." below).
>>
>> I wrote:
>>
>>>>
>> I've been running Vista Home Premium since 31st January, WITHOUT any
>> anti-virus software at all, and in fact no other security software
>> whatsoever apart from what comes "in the box". It is powered up all the
>> time and permanently connected to the Internet via a router.
>>
>> It has remained absolutely clean as a whistle. No malware whatsoever.
>> <<
>>
>> Alias responded with a very reasonable question:
>>
>>> How would you know? There are millions of computers controlled by bot
>>> nets without the computer owner's knowledge. Root kits and spyware don't
>>> exactly pop up and say, "hey look at me".
>>
>> And some rather less eloquent person called john declared:
>>
>>> what a load...
>>
>> Here's how I know: because last week I tried two separate "we'll-scan-your-PC" services
>> offered by well known anti-virus vendors, who are hoping to scare you into buying their
>> products. Did it a couple of times in previous months, too. Also I've got a NOD32 licence
>> (which I don't use) but I installed it temporarily to see what it said.
>>
>> So, then, that's three separate scans from three separate vendors, and not a single peep.
>>
>> I've also got PC Tools antispyware (again which I don't use), but installed it temporarily.
>> Again, clean as a whistle. Nothing from Vista's built-in anti-malware thing either.
>>
>> Let me ask you something, John and Alias, and you've got to answer truthfully: when was the
>> last time your anti-virus / security software popped up and warned you that there was an
>> infection in your machine (or it had just stopped an infection)?
>>
>> I'll tell you my answer: I honestly can't remember. I've been using PCs since well before
>> Windows existed and in truth I've got a vague memory from (literally) years ago that I once
>> saw a warning, but it is very vague and maybe it was from one of the test files you can get.
>>
>> Having bought a second computer two years ago, I decided to experiment by leaving it
>> connected full time to the Internet with NO protection whatsoever (I kept using NOD32 on my
>> main machine). For the first year it ran XP SP2, for the second year it ran Vista Home
>> Premium. I scanned it three times in the first year, and I've scanned it three times this
>> year, and in EVERY instance it was completely clean.
>>
>> Avoiding malware is easy. Here is my three-step guide...
>>
>> 1/ Always connect to the Internet via a router with NAT and a built-in firewall (i.e. all
>> modern routers), NOT a USB modem.
>>
>> 2/ Use an ISP that offers virus and malware scanning on incoming emails (they all do, these
>> days).
>>
>> 3/ Use a modicum of common sense when downloading files and programs, and in particular make
>> sure they come from a reputable source.
>>
>> 4/ And in Vista, do NOT disable UAC (because it disables IE7's protected mode): instead,
>> make your account an administrator and then set UAC so it does not require your password,
>> just a click (this does not reduce your protection significantly, and makes UAC perfectly
>> bearable). Leave the other security settings at their default.
>>
>> Yes, I know that's four steps, rather than three, but the final step only applies to Vista.
>>
>> With this experience, I'm more convinced than ever that security products over and above
>> what comes with Vista "in the box" are, for me, completely unnecessary and a waste of money.
>>
>> Is anyone else brave enough to reject the current paranoid paradigm?
>>
>> SteveT.
>
>
 
"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:#gpzlHCOIHA.6060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> How am I supposed to find a website with a drive-by when I don't run
>> Windoze?
>
> Ah hah! So you spend your time on this group, but don't use Vista! Furthermore, you decline
> my challenge.
>
> I think that's one point for me, then.....

Minus two points for not running a quality AV program.

Is it possible to secure your machine and go prolonged
periods without an infection? Sure. Is it likely that
you count on staying infection free? No.

Use AV software, please.


-Michael
 
> well first of all...
>
> pffft
>
> sorry, I'm gonna have to get back to you after I stop laughing.

Another one declines my challenge. That's two points to me, so far.

SteveT
 
john wrote:
> these days all you have to do is receive the email, or
> visit a website, or just be connected to the internet.
> virus and spyware purveyors are much more clever these days, cleverer
> then many "savvy" users.
>
> even being connected without a -good- AV app runing is just asking
> for it.

I'll ask you the same question, as the other two refuse to aswer:

If just being connected to the internet gets you infected, then your ' good AV '
has no doubt flagged lots of hits over time.
Can you please post details of the viruses found and the name of your ' good AV '.
You should find lots of details in your antivirus programs log or quarantine folder.
I obviously need to install an antivirus program but as yet no one can tell me which one
catches all these viruses.
Thank you.
..
 
bomb#20536444 Wrote:
> That address is wrong.
> The correct address is astalavista.com/
> And no, I didn't get any viruses, just the usual pop-ups.
> ..

Maybe your firewall is blocking the .box.sk top-level domain. I just
went there now, and I got in.

But did you try to follow any of the links that it provides? Therein
lies the danger. I clicked on one link after performing a search, and
Norton went nuts!


--
dzomlija

____________________________________
Peter Alexander Dzomlija
Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? -And as
you die, so shall I be Reborn-...

- ASUS A8N32-SLI-Deluxe
- AMD Athlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
- 4GB DDR400
- 128MB ASUS nVidia 6600 PCI-Express
- Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
- 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
- Vista Ultimate x64
- CodeGear Delphi 2007See my rig at:
http://s229.photobucket.com/albums/ee312/Dzomlija/Venus/

My Weblog:
'http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/' (http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/)
 
> I'll ask you the same question, as the other two refuse to aswer:

It's interesting, isn't it, that when the chips are down it goes strangely
quiet?

As you say, if there is a significant risk of infection from the Internet,
these guy's should have log files with plenty of entries.

Let's seem 'em guys. And of course we'll have to trust you not to cheat.

SteveT
 
MICHAEL wrote:
> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:#gpzlHCOIHA.6060@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> How am I supposed to find a website with a drive-by when I don't run
>>> Windoze?
>>
>> Ah hah! So you spend your time on this group, but don't use Vista!
>> Furthermore, you decline my challenge.
>>
>> I think that's one point for me, then.....
>
> Minus two points for not running a quality AV program.
>
> Is it possible to secure your machine and go prolonged
> periods without an infection? Sure. Is it likely that
> you count on staying infection free? No.
>
> Use AV software, please.
>
>
> -Michael

He will, as soon as he finds out he isn't invincible.

Alias
 
Bill Yanaire wrote:
> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fj8nfu$7oh$2@aioe.org...
>> Steve Thackery wrote:
>>>> These days all you have to do is receive the email, or visit a website,
>>>> or just be connected to the internet.....
>>>>
>>>> ..even being connected without a -good- AV app runing is just asking for
>>>> it.
>>> You keep making this assertion, but where is your proof?
>>>
>>> I've got proof: my PC has been connected to the Internet continuously for
>>> two years, during which time I've made extensive use of email and web
>>> browsing (I work from home, and do my work on the unprotected PC), and it
>>> has come to no harm whatsoever.
>>>
>>> I repeat, have you actually tried it, like I have, or are you simply
>>> repeating the assertions you've been brainwashed into believing?
>>>
>>> SteveT
>> Why don't you mosey around this web site for awhile and then report back:
>>
>> www.youporn.com
>
> Probably your favorite site. No wonder why you use Ubuntu!!!!!

It's one of the advantages of Ubuntu -)

Alias
 
bomb#20 wrote:
> john wrote:
> > these days all you have to do is receive the email, or
>> visit a website, or just be connected to the internet.
>> virus and spyware purveyors are much more clever these days, cleverer
>> then many "savvy" users.
>>
>> even being connected without a -good- AV app runing is just asking
>> for it.
>
> I'll ask you the same question, as the other two refuse to aswer:
>
> If just being connected to the internet gets you infected, then your ' good AV '
> has no doubt flagged lots of hits over time.
> Can you please post details of the viruses found and the name of your ' good AV '.
> You should find lots of details in your antivirus programs log or quarantine folder.
> I obviously need to install an antivirus program but as yet no one can tell me which one
> catches all these viruses.
> Thank you.
> .
>
>
>

Here's something that ignores and laughs at viruses and malware:

www.ubuntu.com/

You're welcome.

Alias
 
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