Windows 9x/98SE, Me Updates/Patches/Downloads

[thanatoid]

mm <NOPSAMmm2005@bigfoot.com> wrote in
news:332qn3p3db7mtqsbti0013bm080nvij96d@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 06:53:28 -0600, "philo"
> <philo@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"thanatoid" <waiting@the.exit.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:Xns9A18DA48E5349thanexit@66.250.146.158...
>>> =?Utf-8?B?Qk1pbGxpa2Fu?=
>>> <BMillikan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>> news:9B6AE063-85F6-4DC9-9634-F312C19EF193@microsoft.com:
>>>
>>>> I know Microsoft has removed the online support for
>>>> Windows 95, 98, 98SE & ME. However, I have a ton of
>>>> learning CDs for my 3-year-old and they are Windows 3.1
>>>> or Windows 95 only (some of them). So, I need to be
>>>> able to get the patches/updates for Win95-WinMe somehow.
>>>> Can anyone point me in the right direction?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Brian
>>>
>>> You don't need any updates or patches for you kid(s) to
>>> use some CD's.
>>>
>>> You only need them if you will be connecting to the
>>> Internet and using MS Internet Explorer/Outlook Express.
>>>
>>
>>That's quite true...
>>
>>but if you do want the updates for win98/ME...if the
>>machine has IE6 installed
>>you can still gte them.
>>
>>It's simply that MS is no longer writing new updates
>
> Yeah, that seems to be a new meaning for the word support,
> from the point of view of those who were writing the
> updates. Now there seem to be 2 meanings to the word
> support.

Microsoft DOES have a talent for making words mean new things...
I think there are MANY people in the world who now think of the
"word-processing program" (I am being kind here) instead of part
of language when they hear the word "WORD".


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03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
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[thanatoid]

surfer@surfing.org (C B) wrote in
news:20080103172953.647$cb@newsreader.com:

> "... et al." <look@sig.bcause.this.is.invalid> wrote:
>> thanatoid wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Don't. It's asking for trouble. Use Opera 7.23 from
>> > www.oldversion.com
>> >
>>
>> At <http://www.oldversion.com/program.php?n=opera>:
>>
>> ...
>> Opera 7.03 (3.3 MB)
>> Opera 7.10 (3.2 MB)
>> Opera 7.11 (3.2 MB)
>> Opera 8.50 (3.6 MB)
>> Opera 8.51 (3.7 MB)
>> Opera 8.52 (3.6 MB)
>> ...
>>
>> eh?

I guess I got 7.23 from somewhere else, maybe the Opera site
years ago, and I obviously did not remember whether it was
avail. on www.oldversion.com. Sorry.

I DL'd 8.52 from there and it was SO different from 7.23 that I
went back to 7.23 (also, I run a 166PI/96MB for my internet
needs).

I am pretty sure a 98 machine can handle 8.* with no problems.
Otherwise, 7.11 or anything you want. They're all good and 99.9%
of attacks target IE. I haven't done a single update on this
machine in at least 5 or 8 years and I have NEVER been
infested/attacked/hijacked etc.

>> Opera 8.50 and up is ad-free, but wasn't the 7.x versions
>> still ad-infested? Is 7.23 some special ad-free version?

Ad-infested is a BIT of an overstatement. There was a banner-
size rectangle at the upper right which showed either random ads
or, if you filled out your personality profile (OPTIONAL), ads
targeted at your interests/etc. If you bought the program, you
got a reg key which removed the rectangle.

Then Opera became free and the rectangle was gone. I don't know
at which exact point/release this happened.

> Hello,
> Just as a FYI, I run ver 8.51 on a P166 mmx, 3 gig
> machine with 98 SE. It's fairly fast, bug free, with a
> lot of options. The only drawback is I use Hotmail for my
> e-mail and it balks till I enter the password at least
> twice. However, I think that's Bill's doing, not Opera.

I have read about other people having this problem. I don't get
it - I run 7.23 on basically the same machine (see above) and it
works fine. I only use Hotmail as a throwaway address for stupid
sites/things which would generate spam etc. anyway.

I have a $15/year pop3 account which is what I use for real
email. Anyone can afford that.

There are many things wrong with web-mail (AKA html mail) for a
variety of reasons. Google if you're interested.


--
Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,
but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
gun.
04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
hour orgy.
06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
breakfast.
07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

 

[thanatoid]

"N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in
news:917sm9oj5whv$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:

> On 02 Jan 2008 19:56:21 GMT, thanatoid wrote:
>
>> "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in
>> news:gkltigc8okpe.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:
>
>>> On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid wrote:
>
>>>> Use Opera 7.23...
>
>>> Why? Opera 9.25 runs under Windows ME.
>
>> It may "run" but it won't run as fast and will crash more
>> on 98SE.
>
> HP Pavilion 6745C (700MHz Intel Celeron processor, 192MB
> RAM, Windows ME). HP Pavilion m7590n (1.2GHz Intel Dual
> core processor, 2GB RAM, Windows MCE 2005).
>
> I have Opera 9.25 installed on both. I don't see any
> difference in speed which isn't accounted for by the
> different processors. Reliability is the same; Opera 9.25
> doesn't crash.
>
> Check your hardware.

My hardware is 166/96RAM/33.6 modem, 10 years and 3 months old.
I was just guessing as to what will/will not run on a 98 machine
- and it's the processor and RAM that matters, and you have
plenty of that, not to mention you are running a later OS. I
have a 2GHz 98SE Lite machine but it is not connected to the
net.

I don't think 9.25 would run on my internet machine, but it
doesn't matter. 7.23 does everything I need it to, and I use
offbyone (about 1MB and /the/ fastest browser in the world)
99.5% of the time anyway. I only use Opera to access Hotmail, my
bank, and sites which don't work without Java or flash - most of
which are of no interest to me.

--
Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,
but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
gun.
04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
hour orgy.
06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
breakfast.
07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

 

[N. Miller]

On 04 Jan 2008 02:26:32 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

> "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in
> news:917sm9oj5whv$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:

>> On 02 Jan 2008 19:56:21 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

>>> "N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in
>>> news:gkltigc8okpe.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:

>>>> On 02 Jan 2008 03:25:10 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

>>>>> Use Opera 7.23...

>>>> Why? Opera 9.25 runs under Windows ME.

>>> It may "run" but it won't run as fast and will crash more
>>> on 98SE.

>> HP Pavilion 6745C (700MHz Intel Celeron processor, 192MB
>> RAM, Windows ME). HP Pavilion m7590n (1.2GHz Intel Dual
>> core processor, 2GB RAM, Windows MCE 2005).
>>
>> I have Opera 9.25 installed on both. I don't see any
>> difference in speed which isn't accounted for by the
>> different processors. Reliability is the same; Opera 9.25
>> doesn't crash.
>>
>> Check your hardware.

> My hardware is 166/96RAM/33.6 modem, 10 years and 3 months old.
> I was just guessing as to what will/will not run on a 98 machine
> - and it's the processor and RAM that matters, and you have
> plenty of that, not to mention you are running a later OS.

Windows 98SE, or even Windows 98 would run just fine on my computer. Indeed,
the difference between the HP Pavilion 6745C and the HP Pavilion 6746C was
the OS. Windows ME vs. Windows 98SE.

Opera 7.23 is afflicted with exploitable vulnerabilities, as is just about
any browser version number over a couple of years old, and no longer
maintained by the publisher. E.g., Netscape 7.2 has been superseded by
SeaMonkey 1.1.7.

> I have a 2GHz 98SE Lite machine but it is not connected to the net.

Probably backwards. The newer machine can run new, more secure application.
That should be the one with the Internet connection.

> I don't think 9.25 would run on my internet machine, but it
> doesn't matter. 7.23 does everything I need it to, and I use
> offbyone (about 1MB and /the/ fastest browser in the world)
> 99.5% of the time anyway. I only use Opera to access Hotmail, my
> bank, and sites which don't work without Java or flash - most of
> which are of no interest to me.

I don't have a ten-year old computer with which to experiment. I am
reasonably certain that my twenty-year old boxen won't support even Windows
95 (1 HP Vectra 486/33T, which is an Intel i486DX-33MHz processor, 32MBytes
of RAM, and 1 HP Vectra 25T, which was an Intel i486DX-25MNz processor,
32MBytes of RAM. The last has an Cyrix 50MHz replacement processor).

However, for any stat-of-the-art computer, or even one under 7 years old,
Opera 9.25 should work without trouble.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

 

[N. Miller]

On 04 Jan 2008 02:19:41 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

> I guess I got 7.23 from somewhere else, maybe the Opera site
> years ago, and I obviously did not remember whether it was
> avail. on www.oldversion.com. Sorry.

My money would be on direct from the Opera site. I am a "keeper", and I have
all of the older versions of Opera that I ever downloaded from the Opera
site; all the way back to Opera 5.02. Opera 7.23 is in that collection.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

 

[thanatoid]

"N. Miller" <anonymous@msnews.aosake.net> wrote in
news:1ucdxvsp32e7j$.dlg@msnews.aosake.net:

<SNIP>

> Windows 98SE, or even Windows 98 would run just fine on my
> computer.

Not very surprising since you are now running later ME and
later. Sigh.

> Indeed, the difference between the HP Pavilion
> 6745C and the HP Pavilion 6746C was the OS. Windows ME vs.
> Windows 98SE.

I would never buy a brand name compurer. I get them made to
order.

> Opera 7.23 is afflicted with exploitable vulnerabilities,

The biggest vulnerability is the user, and I know what I'm
doing.
I thought I explained why I went back to 7.23.

> as is just about any browser version number over a couple
> of years old, and no longer maintained by the publisher.
> E.g., Netscape 7.2 has been superseded by SeaMonkey 1.1.7.
>
>> I have a 2GHz 98SE Lite machine but it is not connected to
>> the net.
>
> Probably backwards. The newer machine can run new, more
> secure application. That should be the one with the
> Internet connection.

Great. I'll get on that RIGHT AWAY. And I'll let you know when I
need someone to help me with my new wardrobe, OK?

> I don't have a ten-year old computer with which to
> experiment. I am reasonably certain that my twenty-year old
> boxen won't support even Windows 95 (1 HP Vectra 486/33T,
> which is an Intel i486DX-33MHz processor, 32MBytes of RAM,
> and 1 HP Vectra 25T, which was an Intel i486DX-25MNz
> processor, 32MBytes of RAM. The last has an Cyrix 50MHz
> replacement processor).

A 486 is /nowhere near/ 20 years old. It was Jan. 1988 20 years
ago.

I have a Vectra 486/66, 16MB RAM and it runs 95 fine. It has a
28.8 Supra modem and I have used it with the internet.



--
Needless to say, I disdain such idiocies as Xmas and New Year's,
but I'd thought I'd play along just once...

thanatoid's New Year's Resolutions.

01. Stop posting good advice to help newsgroups.
02. Stop posting stupid advice to help newsgroups.
03. Drive to see the Grand Canyon and then to Las Vegas, buy a
gun.
04. Gamble a little in a desperate attempt to fit in for once.
05. Hire 5 of the best looking Las Vegas hookers and have a 3
hour orgy.
06. Have a king-size eggs and bacon and hashbrowns with onions
breakfast.
07. Return to hotel room, put gun in mouth and pull trigger.

 

[N. Miller]

On 04 Jan 2008 08:06:44 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

> A 486 is /nowhere near/ 20 years old. It was Jan. 1988 20 years
> ago.

And just three years later:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HPJ/is_n4_v42/ai_11404421

Closer to 20 years than 10.

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.

 

[N. Miller]

On 04 Jan 2008 08:06:44 GMT, thanatoid wrote:

> A 486 is /nowhere near/ 20 years old. It was Jan. 1988 20 years
> ago.

Oh, and HP cut the price on the HP Vectra RS/25C (the correct name for that
model) in *1989*, after it had been out for at least a year (probably closer
to two).

http://www.cbronline.com/article_cg.asp?guid=E6312FFA-E1C3-432A-92CF-9B97A1A5C8D6

--
Norman
~Shine, bright morning light,
~now in the air the spring is coming.
~Sweet, blowing wind,
~singing down the hills and valleys.