Why do people use Ubuntu when they can use Vista

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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:28:09 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:37:42 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:00:33 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Daron Brewood wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose
>>>>>><nospam@spammer.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option,
>>>>>>>choose how much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the "Next"
>>>>>>>button.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Right I may well give this a go then!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension you
>>>>>>>are good to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Grin I think I can manage that one :)
>>>>>
>>>>>You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will
>>>>>nuke the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux. Then
>>>>>you can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove grub.
>>>>>Good luck!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well the Vista CD can restore the Vista boot-sector. So really, that
>>>>isn't that terribly much of an issue.
>>>
>>>Oh yes it is because you must manually remove grub from the linux
>>>partition before you can repair the Vista install. So just deleting
>>>linux will not work. Try deleting grub without being able to boot to
>>>any os...LOL!
>>
>>
>> Actually no you do not need to do that frank.
>
> Oh yes you do!
>>
>> If you replace the boot sector with the Vista boot sector then things
>> will return to like they have always been and the partition with linux
>> on it will be meaningless at boot-time.
>
> Let me be perfectly clear. If you delete linux and the grub installed is
> still on Vista, running Vista repair will not repair it's own installer.
> You must remove grub before Vista will repair it's own installer. It
> won't override nor delete nor get rid of grub.
>
>
>> The only time what you said could possibly apply is if Linux was
>> installed *before* Vista. That I don't know if the Vista bootloader
>> could deal with it.
>>
>> However, that isn't the case here...and generally is unlikely to be the
>> case in someone wanting to try out linux in a dual boot that is
>> currently using linux.
>>
>>
> If they dual boot Vista/linux and use grub, unless they manually remove
> grub before deleting linux, they won't be able to repair the Vista
> installer using the Vista DVD.
> I'm right and you're wrong.

That makes absolutely no sense to me. Yes changing the boot sector won't
remove grub from the linux partition. However...that is irrelevant.

If the boot sector is changed to the Vista bootloader then the linux
partition should stop mattering. It's the contents of the bootsector that
determine what is executed next...

I mean the boot process basically looks like this:

Bios->bootsector->bootloader->Os.

So you change the bootsector to point to a different loader, say to
Vista's bootloader....then grub stops mattering.

I've installed vista on this computer before with linux already installed
and Vista was perfectly happy in wiping out the bootsector and replacing
it with it's own at that time...had to go in and redo grub to get my boot
choices back. So I don't see why it wouldn't be capable of doing this in
repair mode if it's perfectly capable of it doing it at install time.

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Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:28:09 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
>
>>Stephan Rose wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:37:42 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:00:33 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Daron Brewood wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose
>>>>>>><nospam@spammer.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option,
>>>>>>>>choose how much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the "Next"
>>>>>>>>button.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Right I may well give this a go then!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension you
>>>>>>>>are good to go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Grin I think I can manage that one :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will
>>>>>>nuke the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux. Then
>>>>>>you can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove grub.
>>>>>>Good luck!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Well the Vista CD can restore the Vista boot-sector. So really, that
>>>>>isn't that terribly much of an issue.
>>>>
>>>>Oh yes it is because you must manually remove grub from the linux
>>>>partition before you can repair the Vista install. So just deleting
>>>>linux will not work. Try deleting grub without being able to boot to
>>>>any os...LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually no you do not need to do that frank.
>>
>>Oh yes you do!
>>
>>>If you replace the boot sector with the Vista boot sector then things
>>>will return to like they have always been and the partition with linux
>>>on it will be meaningless at boot-time.
>>
>>Let me be perfectly clear. If you delete linux and the grub installed is
>>still on Vista, running Vista repair will not repair it's own installer.
>>You must remove grub before Vista will repair it's own installer. It
>>won't override nor delete nor get rid of grub.
>>
>>
>>
>>>The only time what you said could possibly apply is if Linux was
>>>installed *before* Vista. That I don't know if the Vista bootloader
>>>could deal with it.
>>>
>>>However, that isn't the case here...and generally is unlikely to be the
>>>case in someone wanting to try out linux in a dual boot that is
>>>currently using linux.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>If they dual boot Vista/linux and use grub, unless they manually remove
>>grub before deleting linux, they won't be able to repair the Vista
>>installer using the Vista DVD.
>>I'm right and you're wrong.
>
>
> That makes absolutely no sense to me. Yes changing the boot sector won't
> remove grub from the linux partition. However...that is irrelevant.
>
> If the boot sector is changed to the Vista bootloader then the linux
> partition should stop mattering. It's the contents of the bootsector that
> determine what is executed next...
>
> I mean the boot process basically looks like this:
>
> Bios->bootsector->bootloader->Os.
>
> So you change the bootsector to point to a different loader, say to
> Vista's bootloader....then grub stops mattering.
>
> I've installed vista on this computer before with linux already installed
> and Vista was perfectly happy in wiping out the bootsector and replacing
> it with it's own at that time...had to go in and redo grub to get my boot
> choices back. So I don't see why it wouldn't be capable of doing this in
> repair mode if it's perfectly capable of it doing it at install time.

Stephen...most all of the advice I ever give in any ng is based on
personal use experience. Not theoretical or googled but is based on
actual personal use.
I also try and keep my advice to those OS's I've used and the versions
of them I've used.
If you don't agree with me about this specific grub issue as it relates
to dual booting Vista & linux, as I've outlined, then fine...I can only
relate my actual users experience.
Frank
 
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:49:17 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:28:09 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:37:42 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:00:33 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Daron Brewood wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose
>>>>>>>><nospam@spammer.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option,
>>>>>>>>>choose how much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the
>>>>>>>>>"Next" button.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Right I may well give this a go then!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension
>>>>>>>>>you are good to go.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Grin I think I can manage that one :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will
>>>>>>>nuke the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux.
>>>>>>>Then you can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove
>>>>>>>grub. Good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well the Vista CD can restore the Vista boot-sector. So really, that
>>>>>>isn't that terribly much of an issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh yes it is because you must manually remove grub from the linux
>>>>>partition before you can repair the Vista install. So just deleting
>>>>>linux will not work. Try deleting grub without being able to boot to
>>>>>any os...LOL!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually no you do not need to do that frank.
>>>
>>>Oh yes you do!
>>>
>>>>If you replace the boot sector with the Vista boot sector then things
>>>>will return to like they have always been and the partition with linux
>>>>on it will be meaningless at boot-time.
>>>
>>>Let me be perfectly clear. If you delete linux and the grub installed
>>>is still on Vista, running Vista repair will not repair it's own
>>>installer. You must remove grub before Vista will repair it's own
>>>installer. It won't override nor delete nor get rid of grub.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The only time what you said could possibly apply is if Linux was
>>>>installed *before* Vista. That I don't know if the Vista bootloader
>>>>could deal with it.
>>>>
>>>>However, that isn't the case here...and generally is unlikely to be
>>>>the case in someone wanting to try out linux in a dual boot that is
>>>>currently using linux.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>If they dual boot Vista/linux and use grub, unless they manually remove
>>>grub before deleting linux, they won't be able to repair the Vista
>>>installer using the Vista DVD.
>>>I'm right and you're wrong.
>>
>>
>> That makes absolutely no sense to me. Yes changing the boot sector
>> won't remove grub from the linux partition. However...that is
>> irrelevant.
>>
>> If the boot sector is changed to the Vista bootloader then the linux
>> partition should stop mattering. It's the contents of the bootsector
>> that determine what is executed next...
>>
>> I mean the boot process basically looks like this:
>>
>> Bios->bootsector->bootloader->Os.
>>
>> So you change the bootsector to point to a different loader, say to
>> Vista's bootloader....then grub stops mattering.
>>
>> I've installed vista on this computer before with linux already
>> installed and Vista was perfectly happy in wiping out the bootsector
>> and replacing it with it's own at that time...had to go in and redo
>> grub to get my boot choices back. So I don't see why it wouldn't be
>> capable of doing this in repair mode if it's perfectly capable of it
>> doing it at install time.
>
> Stephen...most all of the advice I ever give in any ng is based on
> personal use experience. Not theoretical or googled but is based on
> actual personal use.
> I also try and keep my advice to those OS's I've used and the versions
> of them I've used.
> If you don't agree with me about this specific grub issue as it relates
> to dual booting Vista & linux, as I've outlined, then fine...I can only
> relate my actual users experience.


It's not that I don't believe you, I do...but it just sounds really
strange just due to how the boot process works. I'd actually find it
interesting to have a machine like that in front of me so I can see it
for myself.

--
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Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:49:17 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
>
>>Stephan Rose wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:28:09 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:37:42 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:00:33 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Daron Brewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose
>>>>>>>>><nospam@spammer.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option,
>>>>>>>>>>choose how much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the
>>>>>>>>>>"Next" button.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Right I may well give this a go then!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension
>>>>>>>>>>you are good to go.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Grin I think I can manage that one :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will
>>>>>>>>nuke the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux.
>>>>>>>>Then you can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove
>>>>>>>>grub. Good luck!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well the Vista CD can restore the Vista boot-sector. So really, that
>>>>>>>isn't that terribly much of an issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh yes it is because you must manually remove grub from the linux
>>>>>>partition before you can repair the Vista install. So just deleting
>>>>>>linux will not work. Try deleting grub without being able to boot to
>>>>>>any os...LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually no you do not need to do that frank.
>>>>
>>>>Oh yes you do!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If you replace the boot sector with the Vista boot sector then things
>>>>>will return to like they have always been and the partition with linux
>>>>>on it will be meaningless at boot-time.
>>>>
>>>>Let me be perfectly clear. If you delete linux and the grub installed
>>>>is still on Vista, running Vista repair will not repair it's own
>>>>installer. You must remove grub before Vista will repair it's own
>>>>installer. It won't override nor delete nor get rid of grub.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The only time what you said could possibly apply is if Linux was
>>>>>installed *before* Vista. That I don't know if the Vista bootloader
>>>>>could deal with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, that isn't the case here...and generally is unlikely to be
>>>>>the case in someone wanting to try out linux in a dual boot that is
>>>>>currently using linux.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If they dual boot Vista/linux and use grub, unless they manually remove
>>>>grub before deleting linux, they won't be able to repair the Vista
>>>>installer using the Vista DVD.
>>>>I'm right and you're wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>That makes absolutely no sense to me. Yes changing the boot sector
>>>won't remove grub from the linux partition. However...that is
>>>irrelevant.
>>>
>>>If the boot sector is changed to the Vista bootloader then the linux
>>>partition should stop mattering. It's the contents of the bootsector
>>>that determine what is executed next...
>>>
>>>I mean the boot process basically looks like this:
>>>
>>>Bios->bootsector->bootloader->Os.
>>>
>>>So you change the bootsector to point to a different loader, say to
>>>Vista's bootloader....then grub stops mattering.
>>>
>>>I've installed vista on this computer before with linux already
>>>installed and Vista was perfectly happy in wiping out the bootsector
>>>and replacing it with it's own at that time...had to go in and redo
>>>grub to get my boot choices back. So I don't see why it wouldn't be
>>>capable of doing this in repair mode if it's perfectly capable of it
>>>doing it at install time.
>>
>>Stephen...most all of the advice I ever give in any ng is based on
>>personal use experience. Not theoretical or googled but is based on
>>actual personal use.
>>I also try and keep my advice to those OS's I've used and the versions
>>of them I've used.
>>If you don't agree with me about this specific grub issue as it relates
>>to dual booting Vista & linux, as I've outlined, then fine...I can only
>>relate my actual users experience.
>
>
>
> It's not that I don't believe you, I do...but it just sounds really
> strange just due to how the boot process works. I'd actually find it
> interesting to have a machine like that in front of me so I can see it
> for myself.

I've already done it over the last 90 days on three different boxes and
4 different distros.
Grub is the common culprit. Which is not to say that installing Vista
last on a dual boot of linux will not destroy grub.
They seem to be mortal enemies...LOL!
Frank
>
 
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 19:20:47 -0700, Frank wrote:

<snip>
>>
>>
>> It's not that I don't believe you, I do...but it just sounds really
>> strange just due to how the boot process works. I'd actually find it
>> interesting to have a machine like that in front of me so I can see it
>> for myself.
>
> I've already done it over the last 90 days on three different boxes and
> 4 different distros.
> Grub is the common culprit. Which is not to say that installing Vista
> last on a dual boot of linux will not destroy grub. They seem to be
> mortal enemies...LOL! Frank
>>

Hah, now that's true. Though Grub at least honors other operating systems
and lets you choose. Vista's bootloader on the other hand...:)

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"Stephan Rose" wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:28:09 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
> > Stephan Rose wrote:
> >> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:37:42 -0700, Frank wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Stephan Rose wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:00:33 -0700, Frank wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Daron Brewood wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose
> >>>>>><nospam@spammer.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option,
> >>>>>>>choose how much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the "Next"
> >>>>>>>button.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Right I may well give this a go then!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension you
> >>>>>>>are good to go.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Grin I think I can manage that one :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will
> >>>>>nuke the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux. Then
> >>>>>you can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove grub.
> >>>>>Good luck!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Well the Vista CD can restore the Vista boot-sector. So really, that
> >>>>isn't that terribly much of an issue.
> >>>
> >>>Oh yes it is because you must manually remove grub from the linux
> >>>partition before you can repair the Vista install. So just deleting
> >>>linux will not work. Try deleting grub without being able to boot to
> >>>any os...LOL!
> >>
> >>
> >> Actually no you do not need to do that frank.
> >
> > Oh yes you do!
> >>
> >> If you replace the boot sector with the Vista boot sector then things
> >> will return to like they have always been and the partition with linux
> >> on it will be meaningless at boot-time.
> >
> > Let me be perfectly clear. If you delete linux and the grub installed is
> > still on Vista, running Vista repair will not repair it's own installer.
> > You must remove grub before Vista will repair it's own installer. It
> > won't override nor delete nor get rid of grub.
> >
> >
> >> The only time what you said could possibly apply is if Linux was
> >> installed *before* Vista. That I don't know if the Vista bootloader
> >> could deal with it.
> >>
> >> However, that isn't the case here...and generally is unlikely to be the
> >> case in someone wanting to try out linux in a dual boot that is
> >> currently using linux.
> >>
> >>
> > If they dual boot Vista/linux and use grub, unless they manually remove
> > grub before deleting linux, they won't be able to repair the Vista
> > installer using the Vista DVD.
> > I'm right and you're wrong.
>
> That makes absolutely no sense to me. Yes changing the boot sector won't
> remove grub from the linux partition. However...that is irrelevant.
>
> If the boot sector is changed to the Vista bootloader then the linux
> partition should stop mattering. It's the contents of the bootsector that
> determine what is executed next...
>
> I mean the boot process basically looks like this:
>
> Bios->bootsector->bootloader->Os.
>
> So you change the bootsector to point to a different loader, say to
> Vista's bootloader....then grub stops mattering.
>
> I've installed vista on this computer before with linux already installed
> and Vista was perfectly happy in wiping out the bootsector and replacing
> it with it's own at that time...had to go in and redo grub to get my boot
> choices back. So I don't see why it wouldn't be capable of doing this in
> repair mode if it's perfectly capable of it doing it at install time.
>
> --
> Stephan
> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT
>
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Could someone please tell me how to set up dual booting? I had a horrible
time when I set up GRUB in Ubuntu to load from the MBR. It killed my Vista's
bootloader as Vista will not allow GRUB to make it start. Even after I had
uninstalled GRUB, I could boot VISTA despite all the efforts to correct using
Windows install disk and Bootrec.exe.

So this time I did not allow Ubuntu to install in the MBR. Now Vista boots
fine, but I have no way to boot Ubuntu.

I installed EASYBCD. This is a free program from a non-profit Org.
However, it is not working for me. I have Vista installed on my First Sata
drive (in the C: partition). This time, to be safe, I installed Ubuntu on my
Second Sata drive (which under Windows was D:). EasyBCD fails to recogize
the OS.

How do I use Vista Bootloader to boot other Operating Systems on my machine?
It is very frustrating that Microsoft does not give that option. How do I
get into the bootsector without upsetting Vista bootloader. and have my other
Linux systems boot.


"Stephan Rose" wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:28:09 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
> > Stephan Rose wrote:
> >> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:37:42 -0700, Frank wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Stephan Rose wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:00:33 -0700, Frank wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Daron Brewood wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose
> >>>>>><nospam@spammer.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option,
> >>>>>>>choose how much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the "Next"
> >>>>>>>button.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Right I may well give this a go then!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension you
> >>>>>>>are good to go.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Grin I think I can manage that one :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will
> >>>>>nuke the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux. Then
> >>>>>you can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove grub.
> >>>>>Good luck!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Well the Vista CD can restore the Vista boot-sector. So really, that
> >>>>isn't that terribly much of an issue.
> >>>
> >>>Oh yes it is because you must manually remove grub from the linux
> >>>partition before you can repair the Vista install. So just deleting
> >>>linux will not work. Try deleting grub without being able to boot to
> >>>any os...LOL!
> >>
> >>
> >> Actually no you do not need to do that frank.
> >
> > Oh yes you do!
> >>
> >> If you replace the boot sector with the Vista boot sector then things
> >> will return to like they have always been and the partition with linux
> >> on it will be meaningless at boot-time.
> >
> > Let me be perfectly clear. If you delete linux and the grub installed is
> > still on Vista, running Vista repair will not repair it's own installer.
> > You must remove grub before Vista will repair it's own installer. It
> > won't override nor delete nor get rid of grub.
> >
> >
> >> The only time what you said could possibly apply is if Linux was
> >> installed *before* Vista. That I don't know if the Vista bootloader
> >> could deal with it.
> >>
> >> However, that isn't the case here...and generally is unlikely to be the
> >> case in someone wanting to try out linux in a dual boot that is
> >> currently using linux.
> >>
> >>
> > If they dual boot Vista/linux and use grub, unless they manually remove
> > grub before deleting linux, they won't be able to repair the Vista
> > installer using the Vista DVD.
> > I'm right and you're wrong.
>
> That makes absolutely no sense to me. Yes changing the boot sector won't
> remove grub from the linux partition. However...that is irrelevant.
>
> If the boot sector is changed to the Vista bootloader then the linux
> partition should stop mattering. It's the contents of the bootsector that
> determine what is executed next...
>
> I mean the boot process basically looks like this:
>
> Bios->bootsector->bootloader->Os.
>
> So you change the bootsector to point to a different loader, say to
> Vista's bootloader....then grub stops mattering.
>
> I've installed vista on this computer before with linux already installed
> and Vista was perfectly happy in wiping out the bootsector and replacing
> it with it's own at that time...had to go in and redo grub to get my boot
> choices back. So I don't see why it wouldn't be capable of doing this in
> repair mode if it's perfectly capable of it doing it at install time.
>
> --
> Stephan
> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT
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On The Bridge At The Mental Institution wrote:
> It just doesn't make any sense. Alias says there are 25,000 programs that
> can run on Ubuntu. I wonder what they are? Seems like 25,000 software
> titles would make people want to use Ubuntu. People don't use Ubuntu so I
> guess those 25,000 software titles are just crap. Just like Ubuntu.
>
> I should stick to something that works. Vista or XP. All the way.
>
>
With Windows XP Support 4 Home Users Terminating On April 14th, 2009,
And With Microsoft Windows 7.0 Not Coming Out Until 2010, The Choice Is
Clear, Open Source Linux Ubuntu Is The Way 2 Go, Just FYI.
 
How do you manipulate the boot sector? Can the Vista bootloader be made to
work like GRUB, where in the beginning it will show the list of all
operating system, and allow you to choose?

"Stephan Rose" wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:28:09 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
> > Stephan Rose wrote:
> >> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:37:42 -0700, Frank wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Stephan Rose wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:00:33 -0700, Frank wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Daron Brewood wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose
> >>>>>><nospam@spammer.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option,
> >>>>>>>choose how much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the "Next"
> >>>>>>>button.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Right I may well give this a go then!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension you
> >>>>>>>are good to go.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Grin I think I can manage that one :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will
> >>>>>nuke the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux. Then
> >>>>>you can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove grub.
> >>>>>Good luck!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Well the Vista CD can restore the Vista boot-sector. So really, that
> >>>>isn't that terribly much of an issue.
> >>>
> >>>Oh yes it is because you must manually remove grub from the linux
> >>>partition before you can repair the Vista install. So just deleting
> >>>linux will not work. Try deleting grub without being able to boot to
> >>>any os...LOL!
> >>
> >>
> >> Actually no you do not need to do that frank.
> >
> > Oh yes you do!
> >>
> >> If you replace the boot sector with the Vista boot sector then things
> >> will return to like they have always been and the partition with linux
> >> on it will be meaningless at boot-time.
> >
> > Let me be perfectly clear. If you delete linux and the grub installed is
> > still on Vista, running Vista repair will not repair it's own installer.
> > You must remove grub before Vista will repair it's own installer. It
> > won't override nor delete nor get rid of grub.
> >
> >
> >> The only time what you said could possibly apply is if Linux was
> >> installed *before* Vista. That I don't know if the Vista bootloader
> >> could deal with it.
> >>
> >> However, that isn't the case here...and generally is unlikely to be the
> >> case in someone wanting to try out linux in a dual boot that is
> >> currently using linux.
> >>
> >>
> > If they dual boot Vista/linux and use grub, unless they manually remove
> > grub before deleting linux, they won't be able to repair the Vista
> > installer using the Vista DVD.
> > I'm right and you're wrong.
>
> That makes absolutely no sense to me. Yes changing the boot sector won't
> remove grub from the linux partition. However...that is irrelevant.
>
> If the boot sector is changed to the Vista bootloader then the linux
> partition should stop mattering. It's the contents of the bootsector that
> determine what is executed next...
>
> I mean the boot process basically looks like this:
>
> Bios->bootsector->bootloader->Os.
>
> So you change the bootsector to point to a different loader, say to
> Vista's bootloader....then grub stops mattering.
>
> I've installed vista on this computer before with linux already installed
> and Vista was perfectly happy in wiping out the bootsector and replacing
> it with it's own at that time...had to go in and redo grub to get my boot
> choices back. So I don't see why it wouldn't be capable of doing this in
> repair mode if it's perfectly capable of it doing it at install time.
>
> --
> Stephan
> 1986 Pontiac Fiero GT
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 21:14:00 -0700, KushyKush wrote:

> How do you manipulate the boot sector? Can the Vista bootloader be made
> to work like GRUB, where in the beginning it will show the list of all
> operating system, and allow you to choose?
>

Well your hard drive is split into 512 byte sectors and your boot sector
is just the 1st sector on your drive. It contains the partition tables
and the necessary code to load the boot loader.

Generally when you install an OS, it places the appropriate code into the
boot sector to load the correct boot loader. So that's one way the boot
sector is manipulated.

There also are additional 3rd party boot managers out there I think,
though I have no experience with those, and their software should contain
the necessary tools for booting multiple OS' and making the necessary
modifications.

Now as far as the Vista bootloader goes, you may want to start a new
thread about this rather than asking the question in the back of this
thread. I can't really give you any advice with that particular
bootloader and you're likely to get more answers if you start a new
thread on the subject.

--
Stephan
1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

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