Why do people use Ubuntu when they can use Vista

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It just doesn't make any sense. Alias says there are 25,000 programs that
can run on Ubuntu. I wonder what they are? Seems like 25,000 software
titles would make people want to use Ubuntu. People don't use Ubuntu so I
guess those 25,000 software titles are just crap. Just like Ubuntu.

I should stick to something that works. Vista or XP. All the way.
 
"On The Bridge At The Mental Institution" <OnBridge@idiot.com> schrieb im
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> It just doesn't make any sense. Alias says there are 25,000 programs that
> can run on Ubuntu. I wonder what they are? Seems like 25,000 software
> titles would make people want to use Ubuntu. People don't use Ubuntu so I
> guess those 25,000 software titles are just crap. Just like Ubuntu.
>
> I should stick to something that works. Vista or XP. All the way.
>
>

Ubuntu is for geeks and those that like experimenting. When it comes to
serious computing, a reliable OS, support for windows
Server/workgroups/citrix/groupwise etc , OpenOffice compatibility to the new
docX formats from MS Office 2007, support for Tablet-PCs and wacoms, Service
Packs and Support for at least 5 years...also Novell has partnershipped with
MS to be interoperable. well read for yourself :

http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/compare-news.html

btw - it's free, you only pay for support and updates. And it looks just
great, has more eyecandy and 3d effects than any Vista edition and it runs
with half of the requirements that vista would need . I use it for since it
came out and I haven't regret any minute.

Have a nice day and stop bashing. Vista is just crap and I only deal with it
because of my job as a technical supporter, trying to help the evryday user
out and being in the knowledge where Windows is going. I don't try to
convince anybody to switch, but be serious :

Windows Vista is a major issue for many of us , Xp is just outdated and
there are alternatives - people just need to see them.

Decision has to be made alone.
 
http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/compare-to-vista.html

"On The Bridge At The Mental Institution" <OnBridge@idiot.com> schrieb im
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> It just doesn't make any sense. Alias says there are 25,000 programs that
> can run on Ubuntu. I wonder what they are? Seems like 25,000 software
> titles would make people want to use Ubuntu. People don't use Ubuntu so I
> guess those 25,000 software titles are just crap. Just like Ubuntu.
>
> I should stick to something that works. Vista or XP. All the way.
>
>
 
"Olaf" wrote:
> Ubuntu is for geeks and those that like experimenting. When
> it comes to serious computing, a reliable OS, support for windows
> Server/workgroups/citrix/groupwise etc , OpenOffice compatibility
> to the new docX formats from MS Office 2007, support for
> Tablet-PCs and wacoms, Service Packs and Support for at least
> 5 years...also Novell has partnershipped with MS to be inter-
> operable. well read for yourself :
>
> http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/compare-news.html
>
> btw - it's free, you only pay for support and updates. And it looks
> just great, has more eyecandy and 3d effects than any Vista edition
> and it runs with half of the requirements that vista would need . I use
> it for since it came out and I haven't regret any minute.


How does Novell's SUSE Linux compare with Ubuntu for
availability of hardware drivers? Or are the drivers for the 2
distros the same?

*TimDaniels*
 
Timothy

I dual boot Vista Home Premium and Various Linux distributions. I install
Linux as a sort of hobby as I like to learn more about Operating Systems! I
do not consider myself a 'Geek' but who knows when you cross that invisible
line!

My current Linux favourite is Ubuntu 7.10 mainly because its installer will
automatically create a partition for Linux without messing up the MS Vista
partition. Another plus is it recognises my network card automatically,
other Linux distros are not always so good at enabling wireless access due
to driver issues. (Suze is good at this I found)

I have tried most of the Linux distributions but have yet to find a version
of Linux which has convinced me to move away from MS Windows completely.

I have a desktop system which still runs Windows XP and my Acer Aspire 5610
Laptop is the Vista Home Premium system which dual boots between Vista and
Ubuntu so I have good choices.

I will not respond to any flame wars between the other individuals I have
observed in this newsgroup (although they have the freedom to post like
anyone I suppose) but thought a sensible balanced view would not go amiss.

Over n' Out!

James


"Timothy Daniels" <NoSpam@SpamMeNot.com> wrote in message
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> "Olaf" wrote:
>> Ubuntu is for geeks and those that like experimenting. When
>> it comes to serious computing, a reliable OS, support for windows
>> Server/workgroups/citrix/groupwise etc , OpenOffice compatibility
>> to the new docX formats from MS Office 2007, support for
>> Tablet-PCs and wacoms, Service Packs and Support for at least
>> 5 years...also Novell has partnershipped with MS to be inter-
>> operable. well read for yourself :
>>
>> http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/compare-news.html
>>
>> btw - it's free, you only pay for support and updates. And it looks
>> just great, has more eyecandy and 3d effects than any Vista edition
>> and it runs with half of the requirements that vista would need . I use
>> it for since it came out and I haven't regret any minute.
>
>
> How does Novell's SUSE Linux compare with Ubuntu for
> availability of hardware drivers? Or are the drivers for the 2
> distros the same?
>
> *TimDaniels*
>
 
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:35:45 -0000, "James"
<james.truelove@nospam.sky.com> wrote:

>My current Linux favourite is Ubuntu 7.10 mainly because its installer will
>automatically create a partition for Linux without messing up the MS Vista
>partition.

How on earth do you manage that?
 
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:02:14 +0000, Daron Brewood wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 09:35:45 -0000, "James"
> <james.truelove@nospam.sky.com> wrote:
>
>>My current Linux favourite is Ubuntu 7.10 mainly because its installer
>>will automatically create a partition for Linux without messing up the
>>MS Vista partition.
>
> How on earth do you manage that?

Well it only requires that one has the ability to read. If you can do
that then it's very easy to manage.

You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option, choose how
much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the "Next" button.

Or, you can be like this other guy several months ago that whined about
the fact that the installer wiped out his Vista installation because he
instead chose "Use Entire Disk" and somehow the concept of "Entire Disk"
zoomed right over his head....

So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension you are
good to go.

--
Stephan
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com>
wrote:

>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option, choose how
>much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the "Next" button.

Right I may well give this a go then!

>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension you are
>good to go.

Grin I think I can manage that one :)
 
Daron Brewood wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option, choose how
>>much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the "Next" button.
>
>
> Right I may well give this a go then!
>
>
>>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension you are
>>good to go.
>
>
> Grin I think I can manage that one :)

You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will nuke
the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux. Then you
can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove grub.
Good luck!
Frank
 
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:35:09 -0700, Timothy Daniels wrote:

> "Olaf" wrote:
>> Ubuntu is for geeks and those that like experimenting. When it comes to
>> serious computing, a reliable OS, support for windows
>> Server/workgroups/citrix/groupwise etc , OpenOffice compatibility to
>> the new docX formats from MS Office 2007, support for Tablet-PCs and
>> wacoms, Service Packs and Support for at least 5 years...also Novell
>> has partnershipped with MS to be inter- operable. well read for
>> yourself :
>>
>> http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/compare-news.html
>>
>> btw - it's free, you only pay for support and updates. And it looks
>> just great, has more eyecandy and 3d effects than any Vista edition and
>> it runs with half of the requirements that vista would need . I use it
>> for since it came out and I haven't regret any minute.
>
>
> How does Novell's SUSE Linux compare with Ubuntu for
> availability of hardware drivers? Or are the drivers for the 2 distros
> the same?

Generally availability of hardware drivers is the same under the
condition that the kernel version is the same between the distributions.

The kernel version really is what you have to look at. Reason being,
under linux the drivers are generally loaded as modules into the kernel
and all driver modules that exist are distributed as part of the kernel.

So therefore, two different linux distributions running the same version
kernel should have the same drivers available.

The only area where this may not apply is with proprietary drivers that
are not part of the kernel. Availability of those drivers can differ from
distribution to distribution.

Ubuntu generally makes all proprietary drivers available that legally
don't prevent them from doing so.

--
Stephan
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:00:33 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Daron Brewood wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option, choose
>>>how much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the "Next" button.
>>
>>
>> Right I may well give this a go then!
>>
>>
>>>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension you are
>>>good to go.
>>
>>
>> Grin I think I can manage that one :)
>
> You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will nuke
> the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux. Then you
> can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove grub. Good
> luck!

Well the Vista CD can restore the Vista boot-sector. So really, that
isn't that terribly much of an issue.

But yes, Frank is correct in that the boot loader is replaced with the
grub boot-loader to allow you to choose which OS you would like to use.
You basically get a window that comes up at boot time that lets you
choose between Ubuntu and Vista.

--
Stephan
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"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
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> Or, you can be like this other guy several months ago that whined about
> the fact that the installer wiped out his Vista installation because he
> instead chose "Use Entire Disk" and somehow the concept of "Entire Disk"
> zoomed right over his head....

Don't forget that if you chose use entire disk.. later on Ubuntu will ask
you to confirm your choice and put out a warning screen saying.. this will
change, that will change, etc.
Fine as long as you know it puts out the same warning as if you didn't chose
use entire disk, but use free space.
Nice and user friendly that. -)
 
Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:00:33 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
>
>>Daron Brewood wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option, choose
>>>>how much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the "Next" button.
>>>
>>>
>>>Right I may well give this a go then!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension you are
>>>>good to go.
>>>
>>>
>>>Grin I think I can manage that one :)
>>
>>You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will nuke
>>the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux. Then you
>>can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove grub. Good
>>luck!
>
>
> Well the Vista CD can restore the Vista boot-sector. So really, that
> isn't that terribly much of an issue.

Oh yes it is because you must manually remove grub from the linux
partition before you can repair the Vista install. So just deleting
linux will not work. Try deleting grub without being able to boot to any
os...LOL!
Good luck!
Frank
 
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:00:33 -0700, Frank <fab@notspam.com> wrote:

>You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will nuke
>the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux. Then you
>can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove grub.
>Good luck!

Not a problem duly noted, first though I want to get it to dual boot
with Server 2008 :)
 
dennis@home wrote:

>
>
> "Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
> news:H-KdnVXxD8uEP3vanZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
>
>> Or, you can be like this other guy several months ago that whined about
>> the fact that the installer wiped out his Vista installation because he
>> instead chose "Use Entire Disk" and somehow the concept of "Entire Disk"
>> zoomed right over his head....
>
> Don't forget that if you chose use entire disk.. later on Ubuntu will ask
> you to confirm your choice and put out a warning screen saying.. this will
> change, that will change, etc.
> Fine as long as you know it puts out the same warning as if you didn't
> chose use entire disk, but use free space.
> Nice and user friendly that. -)

Far more user friendly then the "error codes" Windoze throws up. Of course,
there are some that are just too stupid to figure it out. You appear to
fall in that category.

Cheers.

--
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In article <u9HLc1RjIHA.4536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,
Frank <fab@notspam.com> wrote:
>
>Oh yes it is because you must manually remove grub from the linux
>partition before you can repair the Vista install. So just deleting
>linux will not work. Try deleting grub without being able to boot to any
>os...LOL!

Boot your linux disk and restore grub. Boot your XP disk and
use fixboot. Boot a dos disk and start linux with loadlin.
 
PotsOn wrote:

>
>
> Far more user friendly then the "error codes" Windoze throws up.

How do you know? You don't use any Windows products at all. In fact,
you're the perfect candidate for linux cause you so hate all things MS.

Of course,
> there are some that are just too stupid to figure it out.

Get off it as*hole. Linux is for fanatical hate filled zealots like you
and if an idiot like you can figure it out, then anyone can.

You appear to
> fall in that category.

You appear to be a fukkin as*hole POS lying linux troll.
Get lost! You have no business being here.
Frank
 
the wharf rat wrote:

> In article <u9HLc1RjIHA.4536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,
> Frank <fab@notspam.com> wrote:
>
>>Oh yes it is because you must manually remove grub from the linux
>>partition before you can repair the Vista install. So just deleting
>>linux will not work. Try deleting grub without being able to boot to any
>>os...LOL!
>
>
> Boot your linux disk and restore grub. Boot your XP disk and
> use fixboot. Boot a dos disk and start linux with loadlin.


>
We're talking Vista here mr rat!
Frank
 
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:37:42 -0700, Frank wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:00:33 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Daron Brewood wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option, choose
>>>>>how much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the "Next" button.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Right I may well give this a go then!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension you
>>>>>are good to go.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Grin I think I can manage that one :)
>>>
>>>You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will
>>>nuke the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux. Then
>>>you can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove grub.
>>>Good luck!
>>
>>
>> Well the Vista CD can restore the Vista boot-sector. So really, that
>> isn't that terribly much of an issue.
>
> Oh yes it is because you must manually remove grub from the linux
> partition before you can repair the Vista install. So just deleting
> linux will not work. Try deleting grub without being able to boot to any
> os...LOL!

Actually no you do not need to do that frank.

If you replace the boot sector with the Vista boot sector then things
will return to like they have always been and the partition with linux on
it will be meaningless at boot-time.

The only time what you said could possibly apply is if Linux was
installed *before* Vista. That I don't know if the Vista bootloader could
deal with it.

However, that isn't the case here...and generally is unlikely to be the
case in someone wanting to try out linux in a dual boot that is currently
using linux.

--
Stephan
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Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:37:42 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
>
>>Stephan Rose wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 12:00:33 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Daron Brewood wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:31:53 -0500, Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You simply choose the "Automatically resize partition" option, choose
>>>>>>how much space you want for Ubuntu and then click the "Next" button.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Right I may well give this a go then!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>So essentially, as long as you have basic reading comprehension you
>>>>>>are good to go.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Grin I think I can manage that one :)
>>>>
>>>>You need to be aware that once you install linux using grub it will
>>>>nuke the Vista installer. Not a problem until you remove linux. Then
>>>>you can't repair the Vista installer until you manually remove grub.
>>>>Good luck!
>>>
>>>
>>>Well the Vista CD can restore the Vista boot-sector. So really, that
>>>isn't that terribly much of an issue.
>>
>>Oh yes it is because you must manually remove grub from the linux
>>partition before you can repair the Vista install. So just deleting
>>linux will not work. Try deleting grub without being able to boot to any
>>os...LOL!
>
>
> Actually no you do not need to do that frank.

Oh yes you do!
>
> If you replace the boot sector with the Vista boot sector then things
> will return to like they have always been and the partition with linux on
> it will be meaningless at boot-time.

Let me be perfectly clear. If you delete linux and the grub installed is
still on Vista, running Vista repair will not repair it's own installer.
You must remove grub before Vista will repair it's own installer. It
won't override nor delete nor get rid of grub.

>
> The only time what you said could possibly apply is if Linux was
> installed *before* Vista. That I don't know if the Vista bootloader could
> deal with it.
>
> However, that isn't the case here...and generally is unlikely to be the
> case in someone wanting to try out linux in a dual boot that is currently
> using linux.
>

If they dual boot Vista/linux and use grub, unless they manually remove
grub before deleting linux, they won't be able to repair the Vista
installer using the Vista DVD.
I'm right and you're wrong.
Sorry! :-(
Frank
 
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