S
Steve Thackery
Beg pardon?
SteveT
SteveT
P
(PeteCresswell)
Per Big Al:
>> http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/archives/2008/05/infoworlds_othe.html
>>
>
>Boy that just about drives a nail in the coffin.
Anybody know when XP will cease tb supplied on the MSDN discs?
My MSDN is a couple years old. I'm not in a hurry to renew...
but I don't want to miss the last set with XP.
--
PeteCresswell
>> http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/archives/2008/05/infoworlds_othe.html
>>
>
>Boy that just about drives a nail in the coffin.
Anybody know when XP will cease tb supplied on the MSDN discs?
My MSDN is a couple years old. I'm not in a hurry to renew...
but I don't want to miss the last set with XP.
--
PeteCresswell
P
(PeteCresswell)
Per Steve Thackery:
>Although there are some impressive new technologies under Vista's hood, they
>don't really result in a better user experience.
Can somebody tell me what Vista has that will make it easier for
me to do my basic office rat tasks like email, writing code,
creating Word documents, and doing spreadsheets?
I just spent almost an hour in front of my neighbor's new Vista
box and, frankly, I didn't see anything of substance.
In fact there was even a PITA actor as seemingly-identical
functions as basic as "My Computer" have been moved so that
somebody familiar with XP's UI is left groping.
Vista didn't look like anything that I'd want to inflict on
somebody's secretary.... or some IT guy who has to flip
back-and-forth between OS's.
"Intel givith.
Microsoft taketh away".
--
PeteCresswell
>Although there are some impressive new technologies under Vista's hood, they
>don't really result in a better user experience.
Can somebody tell me what Vista has that will make it easier for
me to do my basic office rat tasks like email, writing code,
creating Word documents, and doing spreadsheets?
I just spent almost an hour in front of my neighbor's new Vista
box and, frankly, I didn't see anything of substance.
In fact there was even a PITA actor as seemingly-identical
functions as basic as "My Computer" have been moved so that
somebody familiar with XP's UI is left groping.
Vista didn't look like anything that I'd want to inflict on
somebody's secretary.... or some IT guy who has to flip
back-and-forth between OS's.
"Intel givith.
Microsoft taketh away".
--
PeteCresswell
U
Unknown
What is your definition of a performance PC?
"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in message
news:8mgj345b8lia4obi6pfmno5ruuf2giceq3@4ax.com...
> Per Talal Itani:
>>It will be a performance PC,
>>with 4GB of memory and a 3 GHz processor.
>
> Can somebody who knows comment on whether it will still be a
> performance PC once he puts Vista on it?
> --
> PeteCresswell
"(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid> wrote in message
news:8mgj345b8lia4obi6pfmno5ruuf2giceq3@4ax.com...
> Per Talal Itani:
>>It will be a performance PC,
>>with 4GB of memory and a 3 GHz processor.
>
> Can somebody who knows comment on whether it will still be a
> performance PC once he puts Vista on it?
> --
> PeteCresswell
S
Steve Thackery
> Can somebody who knows comment on whether it will still be a
> performance PC once he puts Vista on it?
Yes, it will. That is to say, the reduction in performance from XP to Vista
is pretty small - usual too small to notice without using benchmarking
software - PROVIDED you have at least 2G of RAM.
The one area that will be affected is copying and moving large files. Vista
is very noticeably slower than XP for that, even with SP1.
> performance PC once he puts Vista on it?
Yes, it will. That is to say, the reduction in performance from XP to Vista
is pretty small - usual too small to notice without using benchmarking
software - PROVIDED you have at least 2G of RAM.
The one area that will be affected is copying and moving large files. Vista
is very noticeably slower than XP for that, even with SP1.
J
Jawade
In article <t0fj349a1dgc7n3er2ddq0e1toq223b0c0@4ax.com>, Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> says...
> On Sun, 25 May 2008 19:33:53 +0100, "Steve Thackery"
> <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >> Wasn't XP supposed to be replaced in 2004?? :-D
> >
> >With Longhorn, yes. However, the security scares with XP caused MS to
> >abandon most of the work they'd done and start all over again. One result
> >is that Vista was developed in rather a hurry - and it shows.
> >
> >SteveT
>
> Five years is in a hurry?
Six years.
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> On Sun, 25 May 2008 19:33:53 +0100, "Steve Thackery"
> <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >> Wasn't XP supposed to be replaced in 2004?? :-D
> >
> >With Longhorn, yes. However, the security scares with XP caused MS to
> >abandon most of the work they'd done and start all over again. One result
> >is that Vista was developed in rather a hurry - and it shows.
> >
> >SteveT
>
> Five years is in a hurry?
Six years.
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Jawade
In article <ujBjFbovIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, Steve Thackery <nobody@nowhere.com> says...
> Looking at the contributions from Mark, Kerry and Jawade, it seems I'm the
> only one to recommend staying on XP (even though I use Vista on my main
> machine).
>
> It is only partially true to suggest the Vista is "the future", which seems
> to summarise their arguments. I would suggest that Vista will have a
> relatively short life, and will be replaced in 2010 by something much
> better. You could very easily argue the case for leapfrogging Vista
> altogether. XP will continue to run just fine until then. It is very well
> sorted, and in fact will continue to receive security patches until 2014.
>
> As I say, the problem with Vista is that even though it has lots of rather
> good new technology under the hood, it really isn't much better than XP for
> day-to-day useage and actually getting your work done. The new interface is
> ho-hum, to be honest. In some ways it's a bit better than XP, in other ways
> a bit worse.
>
> For instance, in Windows Explorer they've implemented an automatic sideways
> scroll of the folder tree, which is kind of cool. But they've also used
> different - and much paler - 'hover' and 'selected' highlight colours which
> are almost invisible on some monitors.
>
> The new windows management and display technology is much better
> technically, and lets you do fancy things like have semi-opaque windows and
> title bars. But then when you've played with it for a while you think "so
> what?". It isn't actually very useful to see a blurry representation (too
> blurry to read) of the window underneath, and can be distracting. I
> switched transparency off, eventually.
>
> And some is sheer change for the sake of it. For instance, in XP, to remove
> a program in the classic Control Panel, you use 'Add/Remove Programs'. In
> Vista you use 'Programs and Features'. Eh?? Ditto the change to the file
> copying algorithm. Even with SP1, it's still much slower than XP at copying
> large files around. Despite Microsoft's claims to the contrary, it
> definitely wasn't "broke" in XP, and it really didn't need fixing.
>
> Don't worry about Vista's stability, by the way. So long as you've got
> modern, compatible hardware and drivers, it's rock solid.
>
> If you're the kind of person who likes playing with the latest thing, then
> you'll find Vista good fun to mess around with. If you want something light
> and fast, and don't mind the patronising "My" in front of everything and the
> hideous Fisher Price colour scheme, then XP is for you.
>
> In 2010 Vista will be replaced, and whether you've got XP or Vista, you'll
> be able to upgrade to it.
>
> SteveT, USB-stick tester.
OK, youre right, but the choice is him. In his place I should
choose for Vista, with a dual boot with XP. But the coming years
there will come software who good turns on Vista only.
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> Looking at the contributions from Mark, Kerry and Jawade, it seems I'm the
> only one to recommend staying on XP (even though I use Vista on my main
> machine).
>
> It is only partially true to suggest the Vista is "the future", which seems
> to summarise their arguments. I would suggest that Vista will have a
> relatively short life, and will be replaced in 2010 by something much
> better. You could very easily argue the case for leapfrogging Vista
> altogether. XP will continue to run just fine until then. It is very well
> sorted, and in fact will continue to receive security patches until 2014.
>
> As I say, the problem with Vista is that even though it has lots of rather
> good new technology under the hood, it really isn't much better than XP for
> day-to-day useage and actually getting your work done. The new interface is
> ho-hum, to be honest. In some ways it's a bit better than XP, in other ways
> a bit worse.
>
> For instance, in Windows Explorer they've implemented an automatic sideways
> scroll of the folder tree, which is kind of cool. But they've also used
> different - and much paler - 'hover' and 'selected' highlight colours which
> are almost invisible on some monitors.
>
> The new windows management and display technology is much better
> technically, and lets you do fancy things like have semi-opaque windows and
> title bars. But then when you've played with it for a while you think "so
> what?". It isn't actually very useful to see a blurry representation (too
> blurry to read) of the window underneath, and can be distracting. I
> switched transparency off, eventually.
>
> And some is sheer change for the sake of it. For instance, in XP, to remove
> a program in the classic Control Panel, you use 'Add/Remove Programs'. In
> Vista you use 'Programs and Features'. Eh?? Ditto the change to the file
> copying algorithm. Even with SP1, it's still much slower than XP at copying
> large files around. Despite Microsoft's claims to the contrary, it
> definitely wasn't "broke" in XP, and it really didn't need fixing.
>
> Don't worry about Vista's stability, by the way. So long as you've got
> modern, compatible hardware and drivers, it's rock solid.
>
> If you're the kind of person who likes playing with the latest thing, then
> you'll find Vista good fun to mess around with. If you want something light
> and fast, and don't mind the patronising "My" in front of everything and the
> hideous Fisher Price colour scheme, then XP is for you.
>
> In 2010 Vista will be replaced, and whether you've got XP or Vista, you'll
> be able to upgrade to it.
>
> SteveT, USB-stick tester.
OK, youre right, but the choice is him. In his place I should
choose for Vista, with a dual boot with XP. But the coming years
there will come software who good turns on Vista only.
--
Met vriendelijke groeten, Jawade. BackUp-progje weer vernieuwd.
http://jawade.nl/ Met een mirror op http://jawade.fortunecity.com/
Bootmanager (+Vista +Linux), ClrMBR, DiskEdit (+Linux), POP3lezer,
DOS-Filebrowser, Kalender, Webtellers en IP-log, USB-stick tester.
H
Hobbes
Pardon your lame answer.
OK, I will.
What is in a hurry ?
3 days?
3 months ?
6 years ?
What business do you run where you see 6 years into the future ?
Real Estate is out.
So are stocks.
That leaves janitorial work...toilets will always be dirty.
Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how good
they are.
All things on Earth are still "human endeavors"
--
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"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:OzPBxSqvIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Beg pardon?
>
> SteveT
OK, I will.
What is in a hurry ?
3 days?
3 months ?
6 years ?
What business do you run where you see 6 years into the future ?
Real Estate is out.
So are stocks.
That leaves janitorial work...toilets will always be dirty.
Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how good
they are.
All things on Earth are still "human endeavors"
--
Hobbes
Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:OzPBxSqvIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Beg pardon?
>
> SteveT
H
HeyBub
Talal Itani wrote:
> A few months ago, I was building a PC, I asked the question abut
> Vista vs. XP, and I ended up using XP. I would like to ask the same
> question now. Is Vista the way to go with a new PC? I will be using
> this for a business computer, with many types of applications. It
> will be a performance PC, with 4GB of memory and a 3 GHz processor.
From MY viewpoint, Vista.
If YOU put Vista on YOUR machine, the chance of malware infecting MY machine
goes down.
> A few months ago, I was building a PC, I asked the question abut
> Vista vs. XP, and I ended up using XP. I would like to ask the same
> question now. Is Vista the way to go with a new PC? I will be using
> this for a business computer, with many types of applications. It
> will be a performance PC, with 4GB of memory and a 3 GHz processor.
From MY viewpoint, Vista.
If YOU put Vista on YOUR machine, the chance of malware infecting MY machine
goes down.
M
Marc
"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Ox4zKbqvIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Can somebody who knows comment on whether it will still be a
>> performance PC once he puts Vista on it?
>
> Yes, it will. That is to say, the reduction in performance from XP to
> Vista is pretty small - usual too small to notice without using
> benchmarking software - PROVIDED you have at least 2G of RAM.
>
> The one area that will be affected is copying and moving large files.
> Vista is very noticeably slower than XP for that, even with SP1.
I have not noticed that, although I do big copies rarely.
For me, longer uptimes and more reliable power management outweigh a few
minutes (if that) when copying files. I save 10 minutes every day by not
having to do a full boot, only a resume from sleep.
marc
news:Ox4zKbqvIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Can somebody who knows comment on whether it will still be a
>> performance PC once he puts Vista on it?
>
> Yes, it will. That is to say, the reduction in performance from XP to
> Vista is pretty small - usual too small to notice without using
> benchmarking software - PROVIDED you have at least 2G of RAM.
>
> The one area that will be affected is copying and moving large files.
> Vista is very noticeably slower than XP for that, even with SP1.
I have not noticed that, although I do big copies rarely.
For me, longer uptimes and more reliable power management outweigh a few
minutes (if that) when copying files. I save 10 minutes every day by not
having to do a full boot, only a resume from sleep.
marc
A
Adam Albright
On Sun, 25 May 2008 16:00:19 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>
wrote:
>Per Steve Thackery:
>>Although there are some impressive new technologies under Vista's hood, they
>>don't really result in a better user experience.
>
>Can somebody tell me what Vista has that will make it easier for
>me to do my basic office rat tasks like email, writing code,
>creating Word documents, and doing spreadsheets?
>
>I just spent almost an hour in front of my neighbor's new Vista
>box and, frankly, I didn't see anything of substance.
There isn't anything new of substance. The help system has been
improved. A lot of things have been shuffled around for no good
reason. Aero which was suppose to be a WOW factor is a dud. File
transfers might be slower, UAC is a pain in the ass. SP1 on some
system makes Vista worse. In short if XP is stable for you no real
compelling reason to get Vista. Shame, but Vista mostly adds some eye
candy, for sure lots more bloat, runs slower for many.
wrote:
>Per Steve Thackery:
>>Although there are some impressive new technologies under Vista's hood, they
>>don't really result in a better user experience.
>
>Can somebody tell me what Vista has that will make it easier for
>me to do my basic office rat tasks like email, writing code,
>creating Word documents, and doing spreadsheets?
>
>I just spent almost an hour in front of my neighbor's new Vista
>box and, frankly, I didn't see anything of substance.
There isn't anything new of substance. The help system has been
improved. A lot of things have been shuffled around for no good
reason. Aero which was suppose to be a WOW factor is a dud. File
transfers might be slower, UAC is a pain in the ass. SP1 on some
system makes Vista worse. In short if XP is stable for you no real
compelling reason to get Vista. Shame, but Vista mostly adds some eye
candy, for sure lots more bloat, runs slower for many.
S
Steve Thackery
>> Five years is in a hurry?
>
> Six years.
Two years. Like I said, 2004 saw the abandonment of a lot of the work on
Longhorn. Vista was restarted, using a fair bit of Server 2003 code. It
was launched at the end of 2006, so the development was squeezed into a
couple of years or so.
SteveT
>
> Six years.
Two years. Like I said, 2004 saw the abandonment of a lot of the work on
Longhorn. Vista was restarted, using a fair bit of Server 2003 code. It
was launched at the end of 2006, so the development was squeezed into a
couple of years or so.
SteveT
X
xfile
> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how good
> they are.
Why not?
Business at all sizes now depend on information technology at various
degrees for improving productivity, efficiency, and increasing revenues and
Microsoft's products (e.g. OS) is a major part of the game.
Implication: The efficiency and reliability of its products directly
transfer to those of an employee and ultimately to the company.
So you would rather see Microsoft to be replaced by spoiling it than
demanding them to be one of the most trustworthy technology partners?
Hint: Not everyone is a fanboy.
"Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in message news:g1cm3s$6pg$1@aioe.org...
> Pardon your lame answer.
> OK, I will.
> What is in a hurry ?
> 3 days?
> 3 months ?
> 6 years ?
> What business do you run where you see 6 years into the future ?
> Real Estate is out.
> So are stocks.
> That leaves janitorial work...toilets will always be dirty.
> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how good
> they are.
> All things on Earth are still "human endeavors"
>
> --
> Hobbes
> Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:OzPBxSqvIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Beg pardon?
>>
>> SteveT
>
> they are.
Why not?
Business at all sizes now depend on information technology at various
degrees for improving productivity, efficiency, and increasing revenues and
Microsoft's products (e.g. OS) is a major part of the game.
Implication: The efficiency and reliability of its products directly
transfer to those of an employee and ultimately to the company.
So you would rather see Microsoft to be replaced by spoiling it than
demanding them to be one of the most trustworthy technology partners?
Hint: Not everyone is a fanboy.
"Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in message news:g1cm3s$6pg$1@aioe.org...
> Pardon your lame answer.
> OK, I will.
> What is in a hurry ?
> 3 days?
> 3 months ?
> 6 years ?
> What business do you run where you see 6 years into the future ?
> Real Estate is out.
> So are stocks.
> That leaves janitorial work...toilets will always be dirty.
> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how good
> they are.
> All things on Earth are still "human endeavors"
>
> --
> Hobbes
> Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:OzPBxSqvIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Beg pardon?
>>
>> SteveT
>
H
Hobbes
You work for your Mom...what do you know ?
--
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"xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:us1uvtsvIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how good
>> they are.
>
> Why not?
>
> Business at all sizes now depend on information technology at various
> degrees for improving productivity, efficiency, and increasing revenues
> and Microsoft's products (e.g. OS) is a major part of the game.
>
> Implication: The efficiency and reliability of its products directly
> transfer to those of an employee and ultimately to the company.
>
> So you would rather see Microsoft to be replaced by spoiling it than
> demanding them to be one of the most trustworthy technology partners?
>
> Hint: Not everyone is a fanboy.
>
> "Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in message
> news:g1cm3s$6pg$1@aioe.org...
>> Pardon your lame answer.
>> OK, I will.
>> What is in a hurry ?
>> 3 days?
>> 3 months ?
>> 6 years ?
>> What business do you run where you see 6 years into the future ?
>> Real Estate is out.
>> So are stocks.
>> That leaves janitorial work...toilets will always be dirty.
>> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how good
>> they are.
>> All things on Earth are still "human endeavors"
>>
>> --
>> Hobbes
>> Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
>> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:OzPBxSqvIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Beg pardon?
>>>
>>> SteveT
>>
>
>
--
Hobbes
Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
"xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:us1uvtsvIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how good
>> they are.
>
> Why not?
>
> Business at all sizes now depend on information technology at various
> degrees for improving productivity, efficiency, and increasing revenues
> and Microsoft's products (e.g. OS) is a major part of the game.
>
> Implication: The efficiency and reliability of its products directly
> transfer to those of an employee and ultimately to the company.
>
> So you would rather see Microsoft to be replaced by spoiling it than
> demanding them to be one of the most trustworthy technology partners?
>
> Hint: Not everyone is a fanboy.
>
> "Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in message
> news:g1cm3s$6pg$1@aioe.org...
>> Pardon your lame answer.
>> OK, I will.
>> What is in a hurry ?
>> 3 days?
>> 3 months ?
>> 6 years ?
>> What business do you run where you see 6 years into the future ?
>> Real Estate is out.
>> So are stocks.
>> That leaves janitorial work...toilets will always be dirty.
>> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how good
>> they are.
>> All things on Earth are still "human endeavors"
>>
>> --
>> Hobbes
>> Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
>> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:OzPBxSqvIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Beg pardon?
>>>
>>> SteveT
>>
>
>
X
xfile
You embarrassed yourself without anyone's help.
"Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in message news:g1d2m3$kpc$1@aioe.org...
> You work for your Mom...what do you know ?
>
> --
> Hobbes
> Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:us1uvtsvIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how
>>> good they are.
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>> Business at all sizes now depend on information technology at various
>> degrees for improving productivity, efficiency, and increasing revenues
>> and Microsoft's products (e.g. OS) is a major part of the game.
>>
>> Implication: The efficiency and reliability of its products directly
>> transfer to those of an employee and ultimately to the company.
>>
>> So you would rather see Microsoft to be replaced by spoiling it than
>> demanding them to be one of the most trustworthy technology partners?
>>
>> Hint: Not everyone is a fanboy.
>>
>> "Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in message
>> news:g1cm3s$6pg$1@aioe.org...
>>> Pardon your lame answer.
>>> OK, I will.
>>> What is in a hurry ?
>>> 3 days?
>>> 3 months ?
>>> 6 years ?
>>> What business do you run where you see 6 years into the future ?
>>> Real Estate is out.
>>> So are stocks.
>>> That leaves janitorial work...toilets will always be dirty.
>>> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how
>>> good they are.
>>> All things on Earth are still "human endeavors"
>>>
>>> --
>>> Hobbes
>>> Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
>>> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:OzPBxSqvIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Beg pardon?
>>>>
>>>> SteveT
>>>
>>
>>
>
H
Hobbes
Sure I did.
--
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Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
"xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:enS913svIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>
> You embarrassed yourself without anyone's help.
>
>
> "Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in message
> news:g1d2m3$kpc$1@aioe.org...
>> You work for your Mom...what do you know ?
>>
>> --
>> Hobbes
>> Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
>> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:us1uvtsvIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how
>>>> good they are.
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> Business at all sizes now depend on information technology at various
>>> degrees for improving productivity, efficiency, and increasing revenues
>>> and Microsoft's products (e.g. OS) is a major part of the game.
>>>
>>> Implication: The efficiency and reliability of its products directly
>>> transfer to those of an employee and ultimately to the company.
>>>
>>> So you would rather see Microsoft to be replaced by spoiling it than
>>> demanding them to be one of the most trustworthy technology partners?
>>>
>>> Hint: Not everyone is a fanboy.
>>>
>>> "Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in message
>>> news:g1cm3s$6pg$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Pardon your lame answer.
>>>> OK, I will.
>>>> What is in a hurry ?
>>>> 3 days?
>>>> 3 months ?
>>>> 6 years ?
>>>> What business do you run where you see 6 years into the future ?
>>>> Real Estate is out.
>>>> So are stocks.
>>>> That leaves janitorial work...toilets will always be dirty.
>>>> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how
>>>> good they are.
>>>> All things on Earth are still "human endeavors"
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Hobbes
>>>> Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
>>>> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:OzPBxSqvIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Beg pardon?
>>>>>
>>>>> SteveT
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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Hobbes
Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
"xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:enS913svIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>
> You embarrassed yourself without anyone's help.
>
>
> "Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in message
> news:g1d2m3$kpc$1@aioe.org...
>> You work for your Mom...what do you know ?
>>
>> --
>> Hobbes
>> Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
>> "xfile" <coucou@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:us1uvtsvIHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how
>>>> good they are.
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>>
>>> Business at all sizes now depend on information technology at various
>>> degrees for improving productivity, efficiency, and increasing revenues
>>> and Microsoft's products (e.g. OS) is a major part of the game.
>>>
>>> Implication: The efficiency and reliability of its products directly
>>> transfer to those of an employee and ultimately to the company.
>>>
>>> So you would rather see Microsoft to be replaced by spoiling it than
>>> demanding them to be one of the most trustworthy technology partners?
>>>
>>> Hint: Not everyone is a fanboy.
>>>
>>> "Hobbes" <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in message
>>> news:g1cm3s$6pg$1@aioe.org...
>>>> Pardon your lame answer.
>>>> OK, I will.
>>>> What is in a hurry ?
>>>> 3 days?
>>>> 3 months ?
>>>> 6 years ?
>>>> What business do you run where you see 6 years into the future ?
>>>> Real Estate is out.
>>>> So are stocks.
>>>> That leaves janitorial work...toilets will always be dirty.
>>>> Microsoft should not be held to superhuman standards...no matter how
>>>> good they are.
>>>> All things on Earth are still "human endeavors"
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Hobbes
>>>> Tiger Extraordinaire/ TDTK, QZ,MissAK
>>>> "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:OzPBxSqvIHA.1236@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Beg pardon?
>>>>>
>>>>> SteveT
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
S
Slap
"Talal Itani" <titani@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Nvd_j.735$nx6.225@trnddc03...
> A few months ago, I was building a PC, I asked the question abut Vista vs.
> XP, and I ended up using XP. I would like to ask the same question now.
> Is Vista the way to go with a new PC?
For sure you want VISTA. My favorite so far.
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news:Nvd_j.735$nx6.225@trnddc03...
> A few months ago, I was building a PC, I asked the question abut Vista vs.
> XP, and I ended up using XP. I would like to ask the same question now.
> Is Vista the way to go with a new PC?
For sure you want VISTA. My favorite so far.
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X
xfile
>A few months ago, I was building a PC, I asked the question abut Vista vs.
>XP, and I ended up using XP. I would like to ask the same question now.
Since this is your second ask, I assume you have a strong motive for using
it which is perfectly understandable, and in which case, I will suggest why
not try it yourself.
Just make sure:
(1) Discuss with your system provider to make sure that they will have
downgrade right ready for you and pay attentions to their return policy. So
for the worst case scenario, you can move to XP without any penalties
(either exercising the downgrade right or returning the system within
guaranteed period).
(2) Make sure your hardware and important software are compatible so you
don't need to waste time on solving that part of issues.
(3) Do not transfer important data until you have solved most problems (if
any) and you are sure that you will be using it from now on.
I know it's hard to resist the temptation of playing with the greatest and
latest, and I am also a bit of like that, so try and see it yourself
Hope this helps and good luck.
"Talal Itani" <titani@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Nvd_j.735$nx6.225@trnddc03...
>A few months ago, I was building a PC, I asked the question abut Vista vs.
>XP, and I ended up using XP. I would like to ask the same question now.
>Is Vista the way to go with a new PC? I will be using this for a business
>computer, with many types of applications. It will be a performance PC,
>with 4GB of memory and a 3 GHz processor. Thanks.
>
>XP, and I ended up using XP. I would like to ask the same question now.
Since this is your second ask, I assume you have a strong motive for using
it which is perfectly understandable, and in which case, I will suggest why
not try it yourself.
Just make sure:
(1) Discuss with your system provider to make sure that they will have
downgrade right ready for you and pay attentions to their return policy. So
for the worst case scenario, you can move to XP without any penalties
(either exercising the downgrade right or returning the system within
guaranteed period).
(2) Make sure your hardware and important software are compatible so you
don't need to waste time on solving that part of issues.
(3) Do not transfer important data until you have solved most problems (if
any) and you are sure that you will be using it from now on.
I know it's hard to resist the temptation of playing with the greatest and
latest, and I am also a bit of like that, so try and see it yourself
Hope this helps and good luck.
"Talal Itani" <titani@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Nvd_j.735$nx6.225@trnddc03...
>A few months ago, I was building a PC, I asked the question abut Vista vs.
>XP, and I ended up using XP. I would like to ask the same question now.
>Is Vista the way to go with a new PC? I will be using this for a business
>computer, with many types of applications. It will be a performance PC,
>with 4GB of memory and a 3 GHz processor. Thanks.
>
T
Telstar
"Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Ox4zKbqvIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Can somebody who knows comment on whether it will still be a
>> performance PC once he puts Vista on it?
>
> Yes, it will. That is to say, the reduction in performance from XP to
> Vista is pretty small - usual too small to notice without using
> benchmarking software - PROVIDED you have at least 2G of RAM.
>
> The one area that will be affected is copying and moving large files.
> Vista is very noticeably slower than XP for that, even with SP1.
>
>
>
An area that microsoft missed badly is the new sub notebook i.e. Hp 2133 and
eee Pc 900. Vista eats 70% more CPU on such systems than XP, even with 2
Gb.
news:Ox4zKbqvIHA.3760@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Can somebody who knows comment on whether it will still be a
>> performance PC once he puts Vista on it?
>
> Yes, it will. That is to say, the reduction in performance from XP to
> Vista is pretty small - usual too small to notice without using
> benchmarking software - PROVIDED you have at least 2G of RAM.
>
> The one area that will be affected is copying and moving large files.
> Vista is very noticeably slower than XP for that, even with SP1.
>
>
>
An area that microsoft missed badly is the new sub notebook i.e. Hp 2133 and
eee Pc 900. Vista eats 70% more CPU on such systems than XP, even with 2
Gb.
C
Clinton
I think that it depends on what your future plans are with the computer.
Depending on what your business is, if you are having to deal with updates
for software that relates to your business, go with Vista. If you don't
foresee having to deal with updates, go with XP. You need to think about
what type of applications you will be using, and if you are dealing with
others through this computer, do they tend to use the newer versions of
software? What kind of support do you expect other software companies to
have for what you are using into the future? If you have staff, what are
they using at home?
We could tell you what you should use, but we don't know your complete
circumstances. If I had come here and asked about which one to use, the odds
are I would be using XP now, but I am using Vista and actually like it.
Others perfer XP, and that is their choice. I think that I use used my XP
machine maybe four times since I got a Vista machine.
"Talal Itani" <titani@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Nvd_j.735$nx6.225@trnddc03...
>A few months ago, I was building a PC, I asked the question abut Vista vs.
>XP, and I ended up using XP. I would like to ask the same question now.
>Is Vista the way to go with a new PC? I will be using this for a business
>computer, with many types of applications. It will be a performance PC,
>with 4GB of memory and a 3 GHz processor. Thanks.
>
Depending on what your business is, if you are having to deal with updates
for software that relates to your business, go with Vista. If you don't
foresee having to deal with updates, go with XP. You need to think about
what type of applications you will be using, and if you are dealing with
others through this computer, do they tend to use the newer versions of
software? What kind of support do you expect other software companies to
have for what you are using into the future? If you have staff, what are
they using at home?
We could tell you what you should use, but we don't know your complete
circumstances. If I had come here and asked about which one to use, the odds
are I would be using XP now, but I am using Vista and actually like it.
Others perfer XP, and that is their choice. I think that I use used my XP
machine maybe four times since I got a Vista machine.
"Talal Itani" <titani@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Nvd_j.735$nx6.225@trnddc03...
>A few months ago, I was building a PC, I asked the question abut Vista vs.
>XP, and I ended up using XP. I would like to ask the same question now.
>Is Vista the way to go with a new PC? I will be using this for a business
>computer, with many types of applications. It will be a performance PC,
>with 4GB of memory and a 3 GHz processor. Thanks.
>