Vista or XP?

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The date and time was 2/5/2008 10:18 PM, and on a whim, MICHAEL pounded
out on the keyboard:

>> Curious. How do you feel it's "superior" in running mainstream apps, which is what most
>> users use on a daily basis?

>
> Vista is superior in memory management and managing overall
> system resources. That's led to a more stable operating system.
>


"More stable" indeed is relative. I rarely run across workstations
running XP that aren't stable. It seems now the only ones that aren't
are those that have malware infection.

> For me, that's meant fewer program lockups and rarely a blue screen.
> The blue screens I experienced were early on. I've been using Vista
> regularly since June 2006, and as my primary since Dec. 2006.
> I feel like I've been using Vista forever now. XP looks dated to me.
> I have Vista installed on two desktops and one laptop, and those
> machines work great. None of them are brand new either. They
> originally had XP Pro installed.


Sure XP looks dated in comparison. But then again, looks don't make it
superior.

>
> Look, I wasn't overly thrilled with Vista in the beginning. I really
> expected more. Not quite sure what I expected, but I certainly
> didn't feel the "wow". I don't like WGA and how horribly it works
> at times for a lot of users, and anyone who defends that implementation
> are fools and shills. I'm still amazed there are those who continue to make
> excuses for WGA and how badly Microsoft has messed up with using it.
> Those morons disgust me.


Couldn't agree more.

>
> WGA aside, Vista is still a better operating system than XP.
>
> Microsoft didn't force anyone to upgrade their existing computers.
> And if those XP computers work fine, then don't upgrade if you
> don't want to. New computers can even be purchased with XP
> if you know where to look.. it's not hard finding them. Especially,
> if you buy online. XP isn't going away anytime soon and Microsoft
> will be supporting it for several more years. I don't see what the big
> deal is. But, as time goes on, newer hardware may not have XP
> drivers, that's why I suggest for users buying a newer computer to
> go ahead and make the transition to Vista. Even more so with
> SP1 being released to manufacturers. Vista has improved since it
> was first released and so has the software/hardware made for it.
>
>
> -Michael
>
>


I still don't have any clients that are planning to move to Vista. XP
continues to be the OS on new machines. For most businesses, there
isn't any advantage to Vista over XP. As you stated, when the time
comes that new machines don't offer XP drivers, that may change. But I
feel that most will skip Vista and wait until W7 arrives next year.

Thanks for your input.

--
Terry R.

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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:24:47 -0800, Frank <fb@samm.zrr> wrote:

>Alias wrote:
>
>SPAMMER!!!
>This ng is not for sale!
>Frank


No, but I guess your brain was
 
thetruthhurts @homail.com wrote:


....what's wrong bozo...? Can't get that one little install of Vista to
run properly?
Try getting your mommy to help you...out of your high-chair...hahaha...LOL!
You're stupid!
Frank
 
Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>> SPAMMER!!!
>> This ng is not for sale!
>> Frank

>
>
> I never said it was.
>
> Alias
>
> http://www.microscum.com/
> http://www.ubuntu.com/


hehehe...what's wrong mr liar, mr troll, mr spammer, mr bigot...got your
panties all in a bunch...LOL!
What a fukkin loser you are!
Frank
 
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>> SPAMMER!!!
>>> This ng is not for sale!
>>> Frank

>>
>>
>> I never said it was.
>>
>> Alias
>>
>> http://www.microscum.com/
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/

>
> hehehe...what's wrong mr liar, mr troll, mr spammer, mr bigot...got your
> panties all in a bunch...LOL!


Not at all. You're the one who posts profanity, insults, lies and
bluster, not me.

> What a fukkin loser you are!
> Frank


What did I lose, pray tell?

Alias
 
Alias wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>> SPAMMER!!!
>>>> This ng is not for sale!
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I never said it was.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>
>>> http://www.microscum.com/
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/

>>
>>
>> hehehe...what's wrong mr liar, mr troll, mr spammer, mr bigot...got
>> your panties all in a bunch...LOL!

>
>
> Not at all. You're the one who posts profanity, insults, lies and
> bluster, not me.
>
>> What a fukkin loser you are!
>> Frank

>
>
> What did I lose, pray tell?
>
> Alias

Yawn.
Frank
 
I really have no feeling towards it one way or the other, but I will probably
end up with Vista on the new PC we buy just because that's what it comes with
it and I'm not savvy enough to try and run 2 OS at the same time... All I
really need to know is whether I'm going to have problems re-installing
periperals, games or software that are more than 5 years old (or 10 years
old). I guess I will need to research each individual item to check for
compatibility issues, huh?

"MIC" wrote:

>
> i like vista, but it does have its problems, thats why these forums
> exist. i was happy with XP SP2, it was very stable and did not have
> many issues with most hardware/software. however i felt the need to
> learn about vista and the only way to do that is to live with it. if a
> problem arises i don't mind spending time resolving it, but this can
> drive some people insane when all they want to do is use the computer
> for whatever. vista is good to look at and very intelligent when
> plugging in periferal devices, but is very resource hungry and needs
> tweaking to perform better. so in conclusion it much depends on your
> temperament and whether you want to learn vista. decide between want
> and need.
>
>
> --
> MIC
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>
 
Yes, you must research compatibility of your essential hardware and
software.
Most will probably work, maybe all, but research is essential.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar


"mh64" <mh64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1019B5B1-A857-4FBF-97EC-69FA53A03264@microsoft.com...
>I really have no feeling towards it one way or the other, but I will
>probably
> end up with Vista on the new PC we buy just because that's what it
> comes with
> it and I'm not savvy enough to try and run 2 OS at the same time...
> All I
> really need to know is whether I'm going to have problems
> re-installing
> periperals, games or software that are more than 5 years old (or 10
> years
> old). I guess I will need to research each individual item to check
> for
> compatibility issues, huh?
 
Your ASSUMPTIONS about the ability and needs of the OP are typical for
you.
This suits your blind agenda.
Non technical users succeed with Windows Vista regularly just as they
have with previous versions of Windows.
Do not confuse non technical with an inability to learn or adapt.
The fact you feel you must be a "technical user" may describe your
own inabilities while saying little about others.
Many people of various skills from very little to a great deal have
success where you regularly claim failure.
That also says much about you.

"all over Vista for compatibility problems"
And what have the specific product manufacturers said to you when you
asked them what they are doing about their products compatibility
issues?

Windows Vista performs well on two older computers of mine, a laptop
and a desktop.
A FACT you can NOT disprove.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar


<thetruthhurts @homail.com> wrote in message
news:k7fjq31909npkk466adq662ml4jqb6oslf@4ax.com...
> Come on now........the press is all over Vista for compability
> problems. La de de da, you a MVP, got this M$ POS to work. I am
> assuming you would deem yourself a technical user. THE OP ISN'T
 
Well, I have researched and found out my scanner and my digital camera will
not support Vista. (both are probably 5+ years old but working just fine for
what i need) So I seriously have to get new periperals if want to use
vista???

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Yes, you must research compatibility of your essential hardware and
> software.
> Most will probably work, maybe all, but research is essential.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>
>
> "mh64" <mh64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1019B5B1-A857-4FBF-97EC-69FA53A03264@microsoft.com...
> >I really have no feeling towards it one way or the other, but I will
> >probably
> > end up with Vista on the new PC we buy just because that's what it
> > comes with
> > it and I'm not savvy enough to try and run 2 OS at the same time...
> > All I
> > really need to know is whether I'm going to have problems
> > re-installing
> > periperals, games or software that are more than 5 years old (or 10
> > years
> > old). I guess I will need to research each individual item to check
> > for
> > compatibility issues, huh?

>
>
 
mh64 wrote:
> Well, I have researched and found out my scanner and my digital camera will
> not support Vista. (both are probably 5+ years old but working just fine for
> what i need) So I seriously have to get new periperals if want to use
> vista???


Bingo. The Vista boys and the hardware boys want you to open your
wallet. A lot.

Alias
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Yes, you must research compatibility of your essential hardware and
>> software.
>> Most will probably work, maybe all, but research is essential.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>
>>
>> "mh64" <mh64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:1019B5B1-A857-4FBF-97EC-69FA53A03264@microsoft.com...
>>> I really have no feeling towards it one way or the other, but I will
>>> probably
>>> end up with Vista on the new PC we buy just because that's what it
>>> comes with
>>> it and I'm not savvy enough to try and run 2 OS at the same time...
>>> All I
>>> really need to know is whether I'm going to have problems
>>> re-installing
>>> periperals, games or software that are more than 5 years old (or 10
>>> years
>>> old). I guess I will need to research each individual item to check
>>> for
>>> compatibility issues, huh?

>>
 
What do you need Vista to do for your camera? If it's a question of
uploading photos use the camera's memory card.

"mh64" <mh64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:81AD20D7-186F-493E-A69F-C750136A65D9@microsoft.com...
> Well, I have researched and found out my scanner and my digital camera
> will
> not support Vista. (both are probably 5+ years old but working just fine
> for
> what i need) So I seriously have to get new periperals if want to use
> vista???
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Yes, you must research compatibility of your essential hardware and
>> software.
>> Most will probably work, maybe all, but research is essential.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>
>>
>> "mh64" <mh64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:1019B5B1-A857-4FBF-97EC-69FA53A03264@microsoft.com...
>> >I really have no feeling towards it one way or the other, but I will
>> >probably
>> > end up with Vista on the new PC we buy just because that's what it
>> > comes with
>> > it and I'm not savvy enough to try and run 2 OS at the same time...
>> > All I
>> > really need to know is whether I'm going to have problems
>> > re-installing
>> > periperals, games or software that are more than 5 years old (or 10
>> > years
>> > old). I guess I will need to research each individual item to check
>> > for
>> > compatibility issues, huh?

>>
>>
 
A combo: printer + scanner + fax + color photo printer (Dell 968) costs
99.99, brand new at DELL.

"Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:unjA7FcaIHA.5768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> mh64 wrote:
>> Well, I have researched and found out my scanner and my digital camera
>> will not support Vista. (both are probably 5+ years old but working just
>> fine for what i need) So I seriously have to get new periperals if want
>> to use vista???

>
> Bingo. The Vista boys and the hardware boys want you to open your wallet.
> A lot.
>
> Alias
>>
>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, you must research compatibility of your essential hardware and
>>> software.
>>> Most will probably work, maybe all, but research is essential.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>>
>>>
>>> "mh64" <mh64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1019B5B1-A857-4FBF-97EC-69FA53A03264@microsoft.com...
>>>> I really have no feeling towards it one way or the other, but I will
>>>> probably
>>>> end up with Vista on the new PC we buy just because that's what it
>>>> comes with
>>>> it and I'm not savvy enough to try and run 2 OS at the same time... All
>>>> I
>>>> really need to know is whether I'm going to have problems re-installing
>>>> periperals, games or software that are more than 5 years old (or 10
>>>> years
>>>> old). I guess I will need to research each individual item to check
>>>> for
>>>> compatibility issues, huh?
>>>
 
alexB wrote:
> A combo: printer + scanner + fax + color photo printer (Dell 968) costs
> 99.99, brand new at DELL.


Your point?

Alias
>
> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:unjA7FcaIHA.5768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> mh64 wrote:
>>> Well, I have researched and found out my scanner and my digital
>>> camera will not support Vista. (both are probably 5+ years old but
>>> working just fine for what i need) So I seriously have to get new
>>> periperals if want to use vista???

>>
>> Bingo. The Vista boys and the hardware boys want you to open your
>> wallet. A lot.
>>
>> Alias
>>>
>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, you must research compatibility of your essential hardware and
>>>> software.
>>>> Most will probably work, maybe all, but research is essential.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "mh64" <mh64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1019B5B1-A857-4FBF-97EC-69FA53A03264@microsoft.com...
>>>>> I really have no feeling towards it one way or the other, but I
>>>>> will probably
>>>>> end up with Vista on the new PC we buy just because that's what it
>>>>> comes with
>>>>> it and I'm not savvy enough to try and run 2 OS at the same time...
>>>>> All I
>>>>> really need to know is whether I'm going to have problems
>>>>> re-installing
>>>>> periperals, games or software that are more than 5 years old (or 10
>>>>> years
>>>>> old). I guess I will need to research each individual item to
>>>>> check for
>>>>> compatibility issues, huh?
>>>>

>
 
On Thu, 7 Feb 2008 11:36:01 -0800, mh64
<mh64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> Well, I have researched and found out my scanner and my digital camera will
> not support Vista. (both are probably 5+ years old but working just fine for
> what i need) So I seriously have to get new periperals if want to use
> vista???



Two points:

1. In general, older peripherals are often not supported on newer
operating systems. This is true regardless of what the peripheral is,
and what operating system you are talking about. If the manufacturer
of the peripheral is no longer actively selling that particular
product, he is often reluctant to invest money to write a new driver
for it. That's a simple economic fact, and again has nothing to do
with Vista. No vendor ever promises someone buying his peripheral that
he will write drivers for it for every new operating system that comes
onto the market.

2. Regarding your camera, you should not need Vista support for it.
Worst case, you could buy an inexpensive USB media card reader, and
use it to transfer your pictures to the Vista computer.

But your choice. If your scanner isn't supported in Vista, you either
need to get a new scanner or stay with the operating system you
presently have.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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Alias wrote:

> alexB wrote:
>> A combo: printer + scanner + fax + color photo printer (Dell 968) costs
>> 99.99, brand new at DELL.

>
> Your point?
>

His point is that along with a P.O.S. toy operating system, he also likes to
use P.O.S. hardware.

Cheers.

> Alias
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:unjA7FcaIHA.5768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> mh64 wrote:
>>>> Well, I have researched and found out my scanner and my digital
>>>> camera will not support Vista. (both are probably 5+ years old but
>>>> working just fine for what i need) So I seriously have to get new
>>>> periperals if want to use vista???
>>>
>>> Bingo. The Vista boys and the hardware boys want you to open your
>>> wallet. A lot.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, you must research compatibility of your essential hardware and
>>>>> software.
>>>>> Most will probably work, maybe all, but research is essential.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "mh64" <mh64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1019B5B1-A857-4FBF-97EC-69FA53A03264@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> I really have no feeling towards it one way or the other, but I
>>>>>> will probably
>>>>>> end up with Vista on the new PC we buy just because that's what it
>>>>>> comes with
>>>>>> it and I'm not savvy enough to try and run 2 OS at the same time...
>>>>>> All I
>>>>>> really need to know is whether I'm going to have problems
>>>>>> re-installing
>>>>>> periperals, games or software that are more than 5 years old (or 10
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> old). I guess I will need to research each individual item to
>>>>>> check for
>>>>>> compatibility issues, huh?
>>>>>

>>


--
Frank's Brain Activity Plotted (watch the red line):
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i4/Astronomy2/PreformanceMonitor.jpg

AlexB: "If it is Business or Ultimate open Command Prompt as administrator
and type lusrmgr.msc."
^^^^^
I must say the developers at Microsoft do have a sense of humour.
 
My point is that this printer which is a very nice piece of hardware, great
looking and compact, standing next to my 5 grand new dell T7400 may be
purchased by someone who wants to have quality printing and digital input.

My point is that it is affordable and it is quality.

"Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23OlOidcaIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> alexB wrote:
>> A combo: printer + scanner + fax + color photo printer (Dell 968) costs
>> 99.99, brand new at DELL.

>
> Your point?
>
> Alias
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:unjA7FcaIHA.5768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> mh64 wrote:
>>>> Well, I have researched and found out my scanner and my digital camera
>>>> will not support Vista. (both are probably 5+ years old but working
>>>> just fine for what i need) So I seriously have to get new periperals
>>>> if want to use vista???
>>>
>>> Bingo. The Vista boys and the hardware boys want you to open your
>>> wallet. A lot.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, you must research compatibility of your essential hardware and
>>>>> software.
>>>>> Most will probably work, maybe all, but research is essential.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "mh64" <mh64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1019B5B1-A857-4FBF-97EC-69FA53A03264@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> I really have no feeling towards it one way or the other, but I will
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> end up with Vista on the new PC we buy just because that's what it
>>>>>> comes with
>>>>>> it and I'm not savvy enough to try and run 2 OS at the same time...
>>>>>> All I
>>>>>> really need to know is whether I'm going to have problems
>>>>>> re-installing
>>>>>> periperals, games or software that are more than 5 years old (or 10
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> old). I guess I will need to research each individual item to check
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> compatibility issues, huh?
>>>>>

>>
 
NoStop wrote:


>
> His point is that along with a P.O.S. toy operating system, he also likes to
> use P.O.S. hardware.
>
> Cheers.


So he's using that POS toy os urbuttoo huh?
Well good luck having any hardware work on that crap os!
Frank
 
NoStop wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> alexB wrote:
>>> A combo: printer + scanner + fax + color photo printer (Dell 968) costs
>>> 99.99, brand new at DELL.

>> Your point?
>>

> His point is that along with a P.O.S. toy operating system, he also likes to
> use P.O.S. hardware.
>
> Cheers.


Heh, told that right.

Alias
>
>> Alias
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:unjA7FcaIHA.5768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> mh64 wrote:
>>>>> Well, I have researched and found out my scanner and my digital
>>>>> camera will not support Vista. (both are probably 5+ years old but
>>>>> working just fine for what i need) So I seriously have to get new
>>>>> periperals if want to use vista???
>>>> Bingo. The Vista boys and the hardware boys want you to open your
>>>> wallet. A lot.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, you must research compatibility of your essential hardware and
>>>>>> software.
>>>>>> Most will probably work, maybe all, but research is essential.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>>>>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "mh64" <mh64@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1019B5B1-A857-4FBF-97EC-69FA53A03264@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> I really have no feeling towards it one way or the other, but I
>>>>>>> will probably
>>>>>>> end up with Vista on the new PC we buy just because that's what it
>>>>>>> comes with
>>>>>>> it and I'm not savvy enough to try and run 2 OS at the same time...
>>>>>>> All I
>>>>>>> really need to know is whether I'm going to have problems
>>>>>>> re-installing
>>>>>>> periperals, games or software that are more than 5 years old (or 10
>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>> old). I guess I will need to research each individual item to
>>>>>>> check for
>>>>>>> compatibility issues, huh?

>
 
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