Vista or Linux. Doesn't matter.

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Hi,

I am running Vista and Linux Mint on my laptop. They share a data
partition they can both read from, so it's really easy to switch. The
thing is that the two are so similar now I do not even notice which one
I'm on. The main (relatively few) differences are what you can run and how
things run: Not many games on Linux and not very good fast Internet
connection on Vista. When it comes to installing them on my HP laptop they
came out about the same. Vista took a little longer to install than Linux
Mint, but other than that they both had a couple of hurdles I had to get
across but they were minor. On Vista I had to install a lot of HP drivers
to get things to work like multimedia buttons, wireless Internet and built
in multi-card readers. On Linux these things simply worked out of the
box. I've been using Windows and Linux on and off for more than ten
years. Sometines Linux is my preference, sometimes Windows. I reallly like
Vista and think it's the best OS from Microsoft ever, so these days I am
keeping both and can not decide which one is my favorite.

Oh, one thing: The "Up" button is gone from Windows Explorer. Why on earth
did they remove such an intuitive feature from the main file manager?
People tell me I do not need it, but I do, and that in itself is one
reason to spend some more time on Linux: The up button for file
management. As you can see I have to really look hard to find a reason to
use one over the other! :)

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//ceed
 
"ceed" wrote:

>
> Oh, one thing: The "Up" button is gone from Windows Explorer. Why on earth
> did they remove such an intuitive feature from the main file manager?
> People tell me I do not need it, but I do, and that in itself is one
> reason to spend some more time on Linux: The up button for file
> management. As you can see I have to really look hard to find a reason to
> use one over the other! :)

What's wrong with the forward and back buttons at the top left hand side of
the Explore screen? Are they not like the up and down arrows for folder
movement? There is also a "Recent Folder" down arrow next to them.
 
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 05:01:03 -0500, Ollis <No@no.com> wrote:

>

>
> What's wrong with the forward and back buttons at the top left hand side
> of
> the Explore screen? Are they not like the up and down arrows for folder
> movement? There is also a "Recent Folder" down arrow next to them.
>
There's nothing wrong with the "Forward" and "Back" buttons, but they are
doing a competely different thing: You are going back to the directory you
were in before. It's based on history. However, the "Up" button takes you
up one level in your folder hierachy which makes it very easy to browse
(in my opinion). Since this button is gone in Vista I now use Free
Commander for file management. Free Commander (and most other third party
file managers) has the "Up" button intact.

I just do not see the reason why Microsoft would remove a function which
has been there since the "dawn of graphical file managers"! Maybe it was
because they had to add some much crap (like UAC!) that they felt they had
to remove something? :)

--
//ceed
 
ceed wrote:
> Oh, one thing: The "Up" button is gone from Windows Explorer. Why on
> earth did they remove such an intuitive feature from the main file
> manager? People tell me I do not need it, but I do, and that in itself
> is one reason to spend some more time on Linux: The up button for file
> management. As you can see I have to really look hard to find a reason
> to use one over the other! :)
>

Use the address bar
 
"ceed" wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 05:01:03 -0500, Ollis <No@no.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
> > What's wrong with the forward and back buttons at the top left hand side
> > of
> > the Explore screen? Are they not like the up and down arrows for folder
> > movement? There is also a "Recent Folder" down arrow next to them.
> >
> There's nothing wrong with the "Forward" and "Back" buttons, but they are
> doing a competely different thing: You are going back to the directory you
> were in before. It's based on history. However, the "Up" button takes you
> up one level in your folder hierachy which makes it very easy to browse
> (in my opinion). Since this button is gone in Vista I now use Free
> Commander for file management. Free Commander (and most other third party
> file managers) has the "Up" button intact.

OK
>
> I just do not see the reason why Microsoft would remove a function which
> has been there since the "dawn of graphical file managers"! Maybe it was
> because they had to add some much crap (like UAC!) that they felt they had
> to remove something? :)

I myslef wouldn't turn UAC off.

But maybe MS is more concerned with the kernel, UAC and secuirty, instaed of
up/down buttons.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc162494.aspx
 
"ceed" <ceed.spameater@dysthe.net> wrote in message
news:op.ui9lknh4gxuifa@localhost...
>
> Oh, one thing: The "Up" button is gone from Windows Explorer. Why on earth
> did they remove such an intuitive feature from the main file manager?

Because you don't need it. Click on the parent folder in the address
bar.....
 
Doesn't this give you the same flexibility?

http://www.howtohaven.com/system/missing-up-arrow-button-vista-explorer.s
html


In message <op.ui9n9hyqgxuifa@localhost>, ceed
<ceed.spameater@dysthe.net> writes
>On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 05:01:03 -0500, Ollis <No@no.com> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>
>> What's wrong with the forward and back buttons at the top left hand
>>side of
>> the Explore screen? Are they not like the up and down arrows for folder
>> movement? There is also a "Recent Folder" down arrow next to them.
>>
>There's nothing wrong with the "Forward" and "Back" buttons, but they
>are doing a competely different thing: You are going back to the
>directory you were in before. It's based on history. However, the "Up"
>button takes you up one level in your folder hierachy which makes it
>very easy to browse (in my opinion). Since this button is gone in
>Vista I now use Free Commander for file management. Free Commander (and
>most other third party file managers) has the "Up" button intact.
>
>I just do not see the reason why Microsoft would remove a function
>which has been there since the "dawn of graphical file managers"! Maybe
>it was because they had to add some much crap (like UAC!) that they
>felt they had to remove something? :)
>

--
dg
 
Vista is stupid



"ceed" <ceed.spameater@dysthe.net> wrote in message
news:op.ui9lknh4gxuifa@localhost...
> Hi,
>
> I am running Vista and Linux Mint on my laptop. They share a data
> partition they can both read from, so it's really easy to switch. The
> thing is that the two are so similar now I do not even notice which one
> I'm on. The main (relatively few) differences are what you can run and how
> things run: Not many games on Linux and not very good fast Internet
> connection on Vista. When it comes to installing them on my HP laptop they
> came out about the same. Vista took a little longer to install than Linux
> Mint, but other than that they both had a couple of hurdles I had to get
> across but they were minor. On Vista I had to install a lot of HP drivers
> to get things to work like multimedia buttons, wireless Internet and built
> in multi-card readers. On Linux these things simply worked out of the
> box. I've been using Windows and Linux on and off for more than ten
> years. Sometines Linux is my preference, sometimes Windows. I reallly like
> Vista and think it's the best OS from Microsoft ever, so these days I am
> keeping both and can not decide which one is my favorite.
>
> Oh, one thing: The "Up" button is gone from Windows Explorer. Why on earth
> did they remove such an intuitive feature from the main file manager?
> People tell me I do not need it, but I do, and that in itself is one
> reason to spend some more time on Linux: The up button for file
> management. As you can see I have to really look hard to find a reason to
> use one over the other! :)
>
> --
> //ceed
 
non intuitive and stupid... I know all about the breadcrumb but how many
others poor windows users don’t know what the breadcrumb is
and how to use it? Its NON INTUITIVE

We want a frikin UP button OK? I also want a DELETE button...

Hey I want to customize the toolbar EXACTLY like I want it OK?

MS was VERY stupid to disable the customization

A Guy made a simple add on for explorer that adds an up button. He sells the
button for $5

thousands have downloaded it...




"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> "ceed" <ceed.spameater@dysthe.net> wrote in message
> news:op.ui9lknh4gxuifa@localhost...
>>
>> Oh, one thing: The "Up" button is gone from Windows Explorer. Why on
>> earth did they remove such an intuitive feature from the main file
>> manager?
>
> Because you don't need it. Click on the parent folder in the address
> bar.....
 
"Non Sequitur!" <only@rret.com> wrote in message
news:48fb1513@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> non intuitive and stupid... I know all about the breadcrumb but how many
> others poor windows users don’t know what the breadcrumb is
> and how to use it? Its NON INTUITIVE
>
> We want a frikin UP button OK? I also want a DELETE button...
>
> Hey I want to customize the toolbar EXACTLY like I want it OK?
>
> MS was VERY stupid to disable the customization
>
> A Guy made a simple add on for explorer that adds an up button. He sells
> the button for $5
>
> thousands have downloaded it...
>


The breadcrumb feature is very intuitive.
It gives instant access to the entire tree.
People just need to get used to it, then it replaces the up, down, left,
right, and home buttons.
Little things seem to bug people.

--
Ens causa sui
Fit caedes omnibus locis
 
"Non Sequitur!" <only@rret.com> wrote in message
news:48fb1513@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> non intuitive and stupid... I know all about the breadcrumb but how many
> others poor windows users don’t know what the breadcrumb is
> and how to use it? Its NON INTUITIVE
>
> We want a frikin UP button OK?

Why? Click on the parent folder in the Addressbar. Why DUPLICATE
functionality?
 
"Non Sequitur!" <only@rret.com> wrote in message
news:48fb13de$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> Vista is stupid
>

Another reasoned, logical response. NOT.
 
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 05:51:52 -0500, Gordon
<gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:


>
> Because you don't need it. Click on the parent folder in the address
> bar.....

How do you know what I need? Do I know you? :)

Absolutely all file managers has a way to move up in a file system until
Microsoft decided to remove it. In another post in the thread there's a
link to a page whiich contains workarounds for the missing up button, so
obviously there's a few people, in addidtion to me, who feel they need
this functionality.



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//ceed
 
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 05:48:01 -0500, Ollis <No@no.com> wrote:

> I myslef wouldn't turn UAC off.
> But maybe MS is more concerned with the kernel, UAC and secuirty,
> instaed of
> up/down buttons.
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/cc162494.aspx

Actually, I think MS has been really concerned with the kernel in Vista.
The whole OS works much better than any MS OS I have used. However, UAC is
just annoying to me since it tries to prevent me from moving files where I
want them, and ask me the same questions over and over. I have never had
any of the problems UAC clamis to solve ever on any OS, so I simply do not
need and want it. This is a personal preference, I fully respect and
aknowledge that UAC represent security for a lot of people.

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//ceed
 
On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 06:21:40 -0500, D. Eth <death@thedoor.nxt> wrote:

> The breadcrumb feature is very intuitive.
> It gives instant access to the entire tree.
> People just need to get used to it, then it replaces the up, down, left,
> right, and home buttons.
> Little things seem to bug people.

Maybe little things that seems to bug people bugs them because to them it
is not little? Breacrumb, arrows, it's all good. But I still want my up
button back, and I have it in other file managers and on Linux! Isn't
having alternatives and options a great thing? :)

--
//ceed
 
"Gordon" <gordonbparker@yahoo.com.invalid> wrotel...
> "Non Sequitur!" <only@rret.com> wrote rg...
>>
>> We want a frikin UP button OK?
>
> Why? Click on the parent folder in the Addressbar. Why DUPLICATE
> functionality?

1) "Why duplicate functionality?" a strange question to ask about Windows
where there are so often several different ways to do something or get to
somewhere. Are you saying MS should NOT have introduced the other new way to
go up a level, the alt-uparrow shortcut? That certainly duplicates
functionality.
The new ways are good, but so was the old way and people were used to it...
if it ain't broke, don't take it away.

2) I'd be more impressed if MS had decided to just eliminate the toolbar to
save space (or for design clarity or whatever), but to put a big honkin'
hardwired bar there with such wonderful and universally necessary
options-that-everybody-uses-every-day as "burn" and not let us customize it
to include the functionality we're used to (and to make the menu bar
something you have to dig for, instead of default) adds insult to injury.

It's not the end of the world, but it is indicative of the disdain in which
Microsoft holds its mere users. I.e. customers.
 
> I just do not see the reason why Microsoft would remove a function which
> has been there since the "dawn of graphical file managers"! Maybe it was
> because they had to add some much crap (like UAC!) that they felt they had
> to remove something? :)

They haven't really removed it. They've actually improved the whole thing
by showing you the "breadcrumb trail".

You just click at the appropriate point in the breadcrumb trail and you can
go up one, two or as many levels as you like with one click. Better, in my
opinion.

Did you really not know about this?

SteveT
 
> Interesting that there's a web page describing work arounds for the
> missing up button.

It's not a workaround!! It's deliberate, and Vista's new way of doing it.

SteveT
 
ceed wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am running Vista and Linux Mint on my laptop. They share a data
> partition they can both read from, so it's really easy to switch. The
> thing is that the two are so similar now I do not even notice which one
> I'm on. The main (relatively few) differences are what you can run and
> how things run: Not many games on Linux and not very good fast Internet
> connection on Vista. When it comes to installing them on my HP laptop
> they came out about the same. Vista took a little longer to install than
> Linux Mint, but other than that they both had a couple of hurdles I had
> to get across but they were minor. On Vista I had to install a lot of HP
> drivers to get things to work like multimedia buttons, wireless Internet
> and built in multi-card readers. On Linux these things simply worked out
> of the box. I've been using Windows and Linux on and off for more than
> ten years. Sometines Linux is my preference, sometimes Windows. I
> reallly like Vista and think it's the best OS from Microsoft ever, so
> these days I am keeping both and can not decide which one is my favorite.
>
> Oh, one thing: The "Up" button is gone from Windows Explorer. Why on
> earth did they remove such an intuitive feature from the main file
> manager? People tell me I do not need it, but I do, and that in itself
> is one reason to spend some more time on Linux: The up button for file
> management. As you can see I have to really look hard to find a reason
> to use one over the other! :)
>

I thought you said Linux was off topic here.

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