Vista and the malware situation

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"Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message news:fjh5l4$ibc$2@aioe.org...
> DanS wrote:
>> "Erich Kohl" <synth.virtuoso@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:OUJ6j.69530$RX.21309
>> @newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:
>>
>> <SNIP>
>>
>>> Just because you use a Wintel PC instead of a Mac (or Linux) doesn’t
>>> necessarily mean that malicious software is going to hold you hostage
>>> all the time, and defending yourself doesn’t have to be an expensive
>>> endeavor either. Simply use common sense and exercise wise computing
>>> habits, and you can still have a fun time being productive with your
>>> computer.
>>
>> I've had the exact same experience with Windows XP.
>>
>> Why ? Because I don't use IE or OE. Simple as that. Seems to be that the
>> single greatest cause of problems is/was IE <= v6.
>
> And Windows Live Messenger or eMule. Open a malware attachment in *any*
> email program with Windows, and you're fuçked.

And that differs on linux how?
 
SeriousShave wrote:
> Alias3368489 Wrote:
>> Steve Thackery wrote:
>>> I'm amazed at the intensity of the anti-Microsoft brigade's FUD
>> campaign.
>>> Read the thread entitled "I don't think you need anti-virus with
>> Vista",
>>> dated 5th December in .vista.general. In it I describe how I've had
>> my
>>> PC connected to the Internet continously for TWO YEARS - the first
>> year
>>> running XP SP2, and the second year (actually, 11 months) running
>>> Vista. For those two years I have not had any anti-virus software
>>> installed.
>>>
>>> I challenged the anti-Microsoft crowd to find me a website that
>> would
>>> infect my unprotected Vista PC. Only one person offered a site
>> (telling
>>> in itself). I duly went there and clicked around for 40 minutes,
>>> following every link I could find. My screen was festooned with pop
>> up
>>> adverts for porno sites, along with numerous other windows
>> appearing.
>>> After 40 minutes I got bored because nothing obvious or exciting had
>>> happened, so I went to the Kaspersky site, and downloaded and ran
>> their
>>> free virus scanner (which they say is as searching as the full
>> product).
>>> Zero infected files. Zero suspicious files.
>>>
>>> I'm not advocating everyone do without anti-virus software. But for
>> me
>>> it has been an extremely useful experiment, and I shall continue to
>> work
>>> without any security software other than what comes "in the box".
>>>
>>> Apple and Linux afficionados continually bang on about how secure
>> their
>>> systems are, and how Vista is the nearest thing to an unexploded bomb
>> if
>>> it even sniffs an Internet connection. Frankly, they are talking a
>> load
>>> of bollocks.
>>>
>>> SteveT
>> Just cleaned up an XP machine. 19 viruses which took seven virus scans
>> to finally remove from the system. 26 spywares. No Windows updates
>> since
>> January. Java out of date. Real Player out of date. Quick Time out of
>> date. No AV. No Firewall.
>>
>> Oops.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Again you are off topic. What on earth is the matter with you? This is
> a Vista forum.
>
>

In name only. New to Usenet, are ya?

Alias
 
dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fjh5l4$ibc$2@aioe.org...
>> DanS wrote:
>>> "Erich Kohl" <synth.virtuoso@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:OUJ6j.69530$RX.21309
>>> @newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:
>>>
>>> <SNIP>
>>>
>>>> Just because you use a Wintel PC instead of a Mac (or Linux) doesn’t
>>>> necessarily mean that malicious software is going to hold you hostage
>>>> all the time, and defending yourself doesn’t have to be an expensive
>>>> endeavor either. Simply use common sense and exercise wise computing
>>>> habits, and you can still have a fun time being productive with your
>>>> computer.
>>>
>>> I've had the exact same experience with Windows XP.
>>>
>>> Why ? Because I don't use IE or OE. Simple as that. Seems to be that
>>> the single greatest cause of problems is/was IE <= v6.
>>
>> And Windows Live Messenger or eMule. Open a malware attachment in
>> *any* email program with Windows, and you're fuçked.
>
> And that differs on linux how?

You really don't know? LOL!

Alias
 
"Alias" <akaalias@nospam.com> wrote in message news:fjhfl2$epo$4@aioe.org...
> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fjh5l4$ibc$2@aioe.org...
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>> "Erich Kohl" <synth.virtuoso@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:OUJ6j.69530$RX.21309
>>>> @newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:
>>>>
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>>> Just because you use a Wintel PC instead of a Mac (or Linux) doesn’t
>>>>> necessarily mean that malicious software is going to hold you hostage
>>>>> all the time, and defending yourself doesn’t have to be an expensive
>>>>> endeavor either. Simply use common sense and exercise wise computing
>>>>> habits, and you can still have a fun time being productive with your
>>>>> computer.
>>>>
>>>> I've had the exact same experience with Windows XP.
>>>>
>>>> Why ? Because I don't use IE or OE. Simple as that. Seems to be that
>>>> the single greatest cause of problems is/was IE <= v6.
>>>
>>> And Windows Live Messenger or eMule. Open a malware attachment in *any*
>>> email program with Windows, and you're fuçked.
>>
>> And that differs on linux how?
>
> You really don't know? LOL!

Go on tell us.
 
Alias wrote:


>>
>>
>> Again you are off topic. What on earth is the matter with you? This is
>> a Vista forum.
>>
>>
>
> In name only. New to Usenet, are ya?
>
> Alias

Translation: alias is linux lying troll and doesn't give a sh*t about
anyone else except himself.
He is practicing good "karma"...LOL!
Frank
 
Alias wrote:

> dennis@home wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fjh5l4$ibc$2@aioe.org...
>>
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Erich Kohl" <synth.virtuoso@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:OUJ6j.69530$RX.21309
>>>> @newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:
>>>>
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>>> Just because you use a Wintel PC instead of a Mac (or Linux) doesn’t
>>>>> necessarily mean that malicious software is going to hold you hostage
>>>>> all the time, and defending yourself doesn’t have to be an expensive
>>>>> endeavor either. Simply use common sense and exercise wise computing
>>>>> habits, and you can still have a fun time being productive with your
>>>>> computer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've had the exact same experience with Windows XP.
>>>>
>>>> Why ? Because I don't use IE or OE. Simple as that. Seems to be that
>>>> the single greatest cause of problems is/was IE <= v6.
>>>
>>>
>>> And Windows Live Messenger or eMule. Open a malware attachment in
>>> *any* email program with Windows, and you're fuçked.
>>
>>
>> And that differs on linux how?
>
>
> You really don't know? LOL!
>
> Alias

No...you are the one who really doesn't know you stupid linux lyin POS.
Frank
 
"forty-nine" <49@linux.p-u> wrote in message news:fjh0d0$4id$1@aioe.org...
> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fjgr87$mvi$1@aioe.org...
>> Steve Thackery wrote:
>>
>> Just cleaned up an XP machine. 19 viruses which took seven virus scans to
>> finally remove from the system. 26 spywares. No Windows updates since
>> January. Java out of date. Real Player out of date. Quick Time out of
>> date. No AV. No Firewall.
>>
>> Oops.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Sounds like a PC administered by a 13 year old

Actually, sounds more like a PC administered by a 50 year old with no clue
about computers.

Most 13 year olds I know are more savvy.

Mic
 
dennis@home wrote:

>
>
> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:I5W6j.10941$iU.4695@pd7urf2no...
>> Steve Thackery wrote:
>>
>>> I'm amazed at the intensity of the anti-Microsoft brigade's FUD
>>> campaign.
>>>
>>> Read the thread entitled "I don't think you need anti-virus with Vista",
>>> dated 5th December in .vista.general. In it I describe how I've had my
>>> PC
>>> connected to the Internet continously for TWO YEARS - the first year
>>> running
>>> XP SP2, and the second year (actually, 11 months) running Vista. For
>>> those two years I have not had any anti-virus software installed.
>>>
>>> I challenged the anti-Microsoft crowd to find me a website that would
>>> infect
>>> my unprotected Vista PC. Only one person offered a site (telling in
>>> itself). I duly went there and clicked around for 40 minutes, following
>>> every link I could find. My screen was festooned with pop up adverts
>>> for porno sites, along with numerous other windows appearing.
>>>
>>> After 40 minutes I got bored because nothing obvious or exciting had
>>> happened, so I went to the Kaspersky site, and downloaded and ran their
>>> free virus scanner (which they say is as searching as the full product).
>>>
>>> Zero infected files. Zero suspicious files.
>>>
>>> I'm not advocating everyone do without anti-virus software. But for me
>>> it
>>> has been an extremely useful experiment, and I shall continue to work
>>> without any security software other than what comes "in the box".
>>>
>>> Apple and Linux afficionados continually bang on about how secure their
>>> systems are, and how Vista is the nearest thing to an unexploded bomb if
>>> it
>>> even sniffs an Internet connection. Frankly, they are talking a load of
>>> bollocks.
>>>
>>> SteveT
>>
>> And I guess that is why all the owned spambots on the Net today, that
>> account for 90%+ of the email that is being sent around the world, all
>> originates on Linux and Mac boxes and not on Windoze boxes.
>
> However only Linux users actually think that all bots are windows.
> There are Linux bots out there and the users never check to see if they
> are infected as they are like you and think they are invulnerable.
> If you don't believe me start here http://www.honeynet.org/papers/bots/
> and do some research.

I think it's you that needs to do more research. Just googling something
with a keyword and finding an article that essentially says that those bots
listed target Windoze boxes doesn't say much for your research abilities.
Please find an article where a Linux box is infected by one of the
mentioned bots and how that is done. Good luck.

Cheers.

--
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Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> Again you are off topic. What on earth is the matter with you? This is
>>> a Vista forum.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> In name only. New to Usenet, are ya?
>>
>> Alias
>
> Translation: alias is linux lying troll and doesn't give a sh*t about
> anyone else except himself.

If that were true, I wouldn't post here.

> He is practicing good "karma"...LOL!
> Frank

Just curious, Frank, what is your definition of "Karma"?

Alias
 
dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <akaalias@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:fjhfl2$epo$4@aioe.org...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fjh5l4$ibc$2@aioe.org...
>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> "Erich Kohl" <synth.virtuoso@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:OUJ6j.69530$RX.21309
>>>>> @newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:
>>>>>
>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just because you use a Wintel PC instead of a Mac (or Linux) doesn’t
>>>>>> necessarily mean that malicious software is going to hold you hostage
>>>>>> all the time, and defending yourself doesn’t have to be an expensive
>>>>>> endeavor either. Simply use common sense and exercise wise computing
>>>>>> habits, and you can still have a fun time being productive with your
>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've had the exact same experience with Windows XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why ? Because I don't use IE or OE. Simple as that. Seems to be
>>>>> that the single greatest cause of problems is/was IE <= v6.
>>>>
>>>> And Windows Live Messenger or eMule. Open a malware attachment in
>>>> *any* email program with Windows, and you're fuçked.
>>>
>>> And that differs on linux how?
>>
>> You really don't know? LOL!
>
> Go on tell us.

Last I checked, .exes don't work in Linux. If you double click on them,
Linux just says "WTF?"

Alias
 
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fjh5l4$ibc$2@aioe.org...
>>>
>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Erich Kohl" <synth.virtuoso@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:OUJ6j.69530$RX.21309
>>>>> @newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:
>>>>>
>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just because you use a Wintel PC instead of a Mac (or Linux) doesn’t
>>>>>> necessarily mean that malicious software is going to hold you hostage
>>>>>> all the time, and defending yourself doesn’t have to be an expensive
>>>>>> endeavor either. Simply use common sense and exercise wise computing
>>>>>> habits, and you can still have a fun time being productive with your
>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've had the exact same experience with Windows XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why ? Because I don't use IE or OE. Simple as that. Seems to be
>>>>> that the single greatest cause of problems is/was IE <= v6.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And Windows Live Messenger or eMule. Open a malware attachment in
>>>> *any* email program with Windows, and you're fuçked.
>>>
>>>
>>> And that differs on linux how?
>>
>>
>> You really don't know? LOL!
>>
>> Alias
>
> No...you are the one who really doesn't know you stupid linux lyin POS.
> Frank

OK, Mr Computer Expert, explain it to us. (This should be good).

Alias
 
In article <fjgr87$mvi$1@aioe.org>, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:

> Just cleaned up an XP machine. 19 viruses which took seven virus scans
> to finally remove from the system. 26 spywares. No Windows updates since
> January. Java out of date. Real Player out of date. Quick Time out of
> date. No AV. No Firewall.

So - as always - the lesson is keep your OS and apps up to date. Keep
your AV up to date.

Bob Campbell
 
"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:zB07j.8183$jq2.1842@pd7urf1no...
> dennis@home wrote:

>> However only Linux users actually think that all bots are windows.
>> There are Linux bots out there and the users never check to see if they
>> are infected as they are like you and think they are invulnerable.
>> If you don't believe me start here http://www.honeynet.org/papers/bots/
>> and do some research.
>
> I think it's you that needs to do more research. Just googling something
> with a keyword and finding an article that essentially says that those
> bots
> listed target Windoze boxes doesn't say much for your research abilities.
> Please find an article where a Linux box is infected by one of the
> mentioned bots and how that is done. Good luck.

Oh look the head in sand method of security.
 
"Alias" <akaalias@nospam.com> wrote in message news:fjj673$216$2@aioe.org...
> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <akaalias@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:fjhfl2$epo$4@aioe.org...
>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fjh5l4$ibc$2@aioe.org...
>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>> "Erich Kohl" <synth.virtuoso@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:OUJ6j.69530$RX.21309
>>>>>> @newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just because you use a Wintel PC instead of a Mac (or Linux) doesn’t
>>>>>>> necessarily mean that malicious software is going to hold you
>>>>>>> hostage
>>>>>>> all the time, and defending yourself doesn’t have to be an expensive
>>>>>>> endeavor either. Simply use common sense and exercise wise
>>>>>>> computing
>>>>>>> habits, and you can still have a fun time being productive with your
>>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've had the exact same experience with Windows XP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why ? Because I don't use IE or OE. Simple as that. Seems to be that
>>>>>> the single greatest cause of problems is/was IE <= v6.
>>>>>
>>>>> And Windows Live Messenger or eMule. Open a malware attachment in
>>>>> *any* email program with Windows, and you're fuçked.
>>>>
>>>> And that differs on linux how?
>>>
>>> You really don't know? LOL!
>>
>> Go on tell us.
>
> Last I checked, .exes don't work in Linux. If you double click on them,
> Linux just says "WTF?"

So?
What has that to do with opening an email attachment.
Do you tar -x stuff?
 
Bob Campbell wrote:
> In article <fjgr87$mvi$1@aioe.org>, Alias <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just cleaned up an XP machine. 19 viruses which took seven virus scans
>> to finally remove from the system. 26 spywares. No Windows updates since
>> January. Java out of date. Real Player out of date. Quick Time out of
>> date. No AV. No Firewall.
>
> So - as always - the lesson is keep your OS and apps up to date. Keep
> your AV up to date.
>
> Bob Campbell

Very true but a lot of people (most?) don't know about that and can only
use the computer and not maintain it at all. This computer (XP Pro) had
not been defragged since its installation (over 10,000 fragmented files,
even XP recommended a defrag). I asked her about it and she asked, "What
is defragging?" I asked her why her firewall was turned off and she
asked, "What's a firewall?". I asked her why her resident AV scanner was
disabled and she asked, "What's an anti virus program?" She also didn't
have a clue as to what Windows Updates was or how to use it. She thought
that Windows were something that reside on the wall of her apartment.

Now that she has Ubuntu, she knows to always click on the little orange
star if it pops up and to only install apps from add/remove. She need
not know anything else.

Alias
 
dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:zB07j.8183$jq2.1842@pd7urf1no...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>
>>> However only Linux users actually think that all bots are windows.
>>> There are Linux bots out there and the users never check to see if they
>>> are infected as they are like you and think they are invulnerable.
>>> If you don't believe me start here http://www.honeynet.org/papers/bots/
>>> and do some research.
>>
>> I think it's you that needs to do more research. Just googling something
>> with a keyword and finding an article that essentially says that those
>> bots
>> listed target Windoze boxes doesn't say much for your research abilities.
>> Please find an article where a Linux box is infected by one of the
>> mentioned bots and how that is done. Good luck.
>
> Oh look the head in sand method of security.

Oh look, Dennis can't provide an article.

Alias
 
dennis@home wrote:
>
>
> "Alias" <akaalias@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:fjj673$216$2@aioe.org...
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Alias" <akaalias@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fjhfl2$epo$4@aioe.org...
>>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <alias@aliasmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fjh5l4$ibc$2@aioe.org...
>>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>>> "Erich Kohl" <synth.virtuoso@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:OUJ6j.69530$RX.21309
>>>>>>> @newssvr11.news.prodigy.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just because you use a Wintel PC instead of a Mac (or Linux)
>>>>>>>> doesn’t
>>>>>>>> necessarily mean that malicious software is going to hold you
>>>>>>>> hostage
>>>>>>>> all the time, and defending yourself doesn’t have to be an
>>>>>>>> expensive
>>>>>>>> endeavor either. Simply use common sense and exercise wise
>>>>>>>> computing
>>>>>>>> habits, and you can still have a fun time being productive with
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've had the exact same experience with Windows XP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why ? Because I don't use IE or OE. Simple as that. Seems to be
>>>>>>> that the single greatest cause of problems is/was IE <= v6.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Windows Live Messenger or eMule. Open a malware attachment in
>>>>>> *any* email program with Windows, and you're fuçked.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that differs on linux how?
>>>>
>>>> You really don't know? LOL!
>>>
>>> Go on tell us.
>>
>> Last I checked, .exes don't work in Linux. If you double click on
>> them, Linux just says "WTF?"
>
> So?
> What has that to do with opening an email attachment.

LOL! What else would be in the attachment?

> Do you tar -x stuff?

No, I don't.

Alias
 
> Then you have been completely irresponsible and stupid. It's people like
> you who are responsible for all the SPAM and trojans washing round the
> internet. You have absolutely NO WAY of knowing whether your computer has
> been infected or not.

Hah! You prat! Read my message: I did a full Kaspersky scan after playing
around on the so-called dodgy site.

In the previous thread I described how I've done three on-line scans each
year from the major AV vendors, and they have all reported a completely
clean PC. Ditto with PC Tools Anti-Spyware.

Don't slag people off without knowing the facts.

I'm prepared to bet that you've got NO experimental evidence whatsoever to
demonstrate the need for AV software. You're just mindlessly repeating the
marketing paradigm.

I, on the other hand, have done the experiment and got the data. I CAN
speak from the evidence.

SteveT
 
There have been loads of security patches to the various Linux distros over
the past year or so. It's stupid to claim that ANY of the three big PC
operating systems are secure.

SteveT
 
Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again you are off topic. What on earth is the matter with you? This is
>>>> a Vista forum.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> In name only. New to Usenet, are ya?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Translation: alias is linux lying troll and doesn't give a sh*t about
>> anyone else except himself.
>
>
> If that were true, I wouldn't post here.

No, that is why you post here you fukkin linux lyin troll!
>
>> He is practicing good "karma"...LOL!
>> Frank
>
>
> Just curious, Frank, what is your definition of "Karma"?

No you're not curious. You're incompetent, a liar and POS as*hole.
So tells us all about how you practice good "karma", ok?
This should be good!
Frank
 

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