UPDATE : RIAA Washington Post CD copy story was a LIE.....

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January 3, 2008 9:26 PM PST
RIAA shreds Washington Post story in debate
Posted by Greg Sandoval

An executive with the music industry's lobbying group engaged in a verbal
sparring match on Thursday with the Washington Post columnist who alleges
that the organization is trying to outlaw the practice of copying CDs to a
computer.

Here was a golden opportunity for Cary Sherman to declare once and for all
that copying CDs for personal use is lawful. He stopped short of that,
saying that copyright law is too complex to make such sweeping statements.
National Public Radio hosted in on-air debate between Marc Fisher, the Post
columnist, and Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association
of America (RIAA). The way I saw it, Fisher was ill advised to debate. What
was exposed was a reporter who doesn't want to admit to making a mistake and
has dug his heels in. Meanwhile, according to Sherman, Fisher has misled
consumers.

Early in the debate, Fisher was on the defense as Sherman picked apart his
story, which appeared on Sunday. In the piece Fisher quoted from a court
document, filed in the case of an Arizona man accused by the RIAA of illegal
file sharing. Fisher wrote that the quotes demonstrated that the lobbying
group was now challenging the right of music fans to rip CDs to their
computers.

Copying CDs to a computer or an iPod is common all over the world and if
Fisher's claims were correct, the RIAA would be painting millions of people
as criminals. The story became national news and scores of publications
repeated Fisher's claims.

But as numerous bloggers and copyright experts have noted, the quotes cited
by Fisher are incomplete. Fisher wrote that the RIAA had argued in the brief
that MP3 files created from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" and
violate the law.

"The Post picked up one sentence in a 21-page brief and then picked the part
of the sentence about ripping CDs onto the computer," Sherman said during
the radio show. "(The Post) simply ignored the part of the sentence about
putting them into a shared folder."

The "shared folder" omission is at the center of what's wrong with Fisher's
story. Anyone who reads the brief can see that the RIAA says over and over
again what it considers to be illegal activity: the distribution of music
files via peer-to-peer networks.

Fisher didn't address this issue during the debate. Instead he moved on to
testimony given by Jennifer Pariser, a Sony BMG lawyer, who said during an
earlier court case: "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself,
I suppose we can say he stole a song."

This is when Sherman really went to work on Fisher's story.

"The Sony person who (Fisher) relies on actually misspoke in that trial,"
Sherman said. "I know because I asked her after stories started appearing.
It turns out that she had misheard the question. She thought that this was a
question about illegal downloading when it was actually a question about
ripping CDs. That is not the position of Sony BMG. That is not the position
of that spokesperson. That is not the position of the industry."

Sherman said that other reporters and bloggers had called about Pariser's
quotes and chose not to write about them after learning she had erred.

Why wasn't Fisher offered this information? Well, he would have been had he
spoken to anyone at the RIAA, Sherman said.

Prior to writing the story Fisher called the RIAA for a statement once and
left a message, according to Sherman. When the RIAA's spokesman returned the
call two hours later, he missed Fisher. But Fisher never called back to get
the RIAA's statement even though the story wasn't published until nine days
later.

It's customary for journalists to give the subject of a story a chance to be
quoted--especially when they're slamming them.

Again, Fisher declined to address Sherman's accusations. He moved on to
statements that appear on the RIAA's Web site, which he claims show that the
group considers copying music to a computer as unlawful.

But Sherman suggested that Fisher was once again being selective with the
RIAA's statements. Sherman showed the location on the site where the RIAA
says that people can typically copy music for personal use without any
problems.

"They go on to equivocate and say, 'Well, usually it won't raise concerns if
you go ahead and transfer legally obtained music to your computer,'" Fisher
said during the debate, "but they won't go all the way and say that it's a
legal right."

"Not a single (legal) case has ever been brought (by the RIAA against
someone for copying music for personal use)," Sherman said. "Not a single
claim has ever been made."

In the final analysis, this is really a story about journalism ethics more
than it is about technology. Fisher is a respected journalist who probably
should remember one of the first things they teach cub reporters: when
someone challenges you over a story, it's smart to think of worst-case
scenarios.

Reporters are reminded to ask themselves whether they could defend
everything they did during the reporting and writing process if ever sued?
If the RIAA ever took the Post to court over the issue, Fisher might have to
explain why he omitted important sections of the RIAA's legal brief. He
would have to justify not trying harder to get RIAA comment.

If a reporter's work doesn't stand up, the typical remedy at most media
organizations is to issue a correction. That's what the Post should do in
this case.

Greg Sandoval is a former Washington Post staff writer.
 
Re: *SPAM* : RIAA Washington Post CD copy story was a LIE.....

"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>


"Bob" you are a coward. You post nothing to help individuals or the group
as a whole.

May your life and world befilled with people just like you.

jim
 
Re: *SPAM* : RIAA Washington Post CD copy story was a LIE.....

"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message
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> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Oa$9esuTIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >
> >

>
> "Bob" you are a coward. You post nothing to help individuals or the

group
> as a whole.
>
> May your life and world befilled with people just like you.
>
> jim
>
>

Don't be too hard on him - he was so shocked he was speechless!

Mrs T
 
Re: *SPAM* : RIAA Washington Post CD copy story was a LIE.....

jim wrote:

> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Oa$9esuTIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>>

>
> "Bob" you are a coward. You post nothing to help individuals or the group
> as a whole.
>
> May your life and world befilled with people just like you.
>
> jim
>


Thankfully the rest of us are not so clueless as you are. And may your
world be also filled with people like me. It would be in your best
interests.
 
RIAA Washington Post CD copy story was a LIE.....

"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:O6W$GVvTIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
>
> jim wrote:
>
>> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Oa$9esuTIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>

>>
>> "Bob" you are a coward. You post nothing to help individuals or the
>> group as a whole.
>>
>> May your life and world befilled with people just like you.
>>
>> jim

>
> Thankfully the rest of us are not so clueless as you are. And may your
> world be also filled with people like me. It would be in your best
> interests.


Yes "Bob". We need you to protect us from retractions like the one
below....

(from http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9839897-7.html?tag=nefd.top )

January 3, 2008 9:26 PM PST
RIAA shreds Washington Post story in debate
Posted by Greg Sandoval

An executive with the music industry's lobbying group engaged in a verbal
sparring match on Thursday with the Washington Post columnist who alleges
that the organization is trying to outlaw the practice of copying CDs to a
computer.

Here was a golden opportunity for Cary Sherman to declare once and for all
that copying CDs for personal use is lawful. He stopped short of that,
saying that copyright law is too complex to make such sweeping statements.
National Public Radio hosted in on-air debate between Marc Fisher, the Post
columnist, and Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association
of America (RIAA). The way I saw it, Fisher was ill advised to debate. What
was exposed was a reporter who doesn't want to admit to making a mistake and
has dug his heels in. Meanwhile, according to Sherman, Fisher has misled
consumers.

Early in the debate, Fisher was on the defense as Sherman picked apart his
story, which appeared on Sunday. In the piece Fisher quoted from a court
document, filed in the case of an Arizona man accused by the RIAA of illegal
file sharing. Fisher wrote that the quotes demonstrated that the lobbying
group was now challenging the right of music fans to rip CDs to their
computers.

Copying CDs to a computer or an iPod is common all over the world and if
Fisher's claims were correct, the RIAA would be painting millions of people
as criminals. The story became national news and scores of publications
repeated Fisher's claims.

But as numerous bloggers and copyright experts have noted, the quotes cited
by Fisher are incomplete. Fisher wrote that the RIAA had argued in the brief
that MP3 files created from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" and
violate the law.

"The Post picked up one sentence in a 21-page brief and then picked the part
of the sentence about ripping CDs onto the computer," Sherman said during
the radio show. "(The Post) simply ignored the part of the sentence about
putting them into a shared folder."

The "shared folder" omission is at the center of what's wrong with Fisher's
story. Anyone who reads the brief can see that the RIAA says over and over
again what it considers to be illegal activity: the distribution of music
files via peer-to-peer networks.

Fisher didn't address this issue during the debate. Instead he moved on to
testimony given by Jennifer Pariser, a Sony BMG lawyer, who said during an
earlier court case: "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself,
I suppose we can say he stole a song."

This is when Sherman really went to work on Fisher's story.

"The Sony person who (Fisher) relies on actually misspoke in that trial,"
Sherman said. "I know because I asked her after stories started appearing.
It turns out that she had misheard the question. She thought that this was a
question about illegal downloading when it was actually a question about
ripping CDs. That is not the position of Sony BMG. That is not the position
of that spokesperson. That is not the position of the industry."

Sherman said that other reporters and bloggers had called about Pariser's
quotes and chose not to write about them after learning she had erred.

Why wasn't Fisher offered this information? Well, he would have been had he
spoken to anyone at the RIAA, Sherman said.

Prior to writing the story Fisher called the RIAA for a statement once and
left a message, according to Sherman. When the RIAA's spokesman returned the
call two hours later, he missed Fisher. But Fisher never called back to get
the RIAA's statement even though the story wasn't published until nine days
later.

It's customary for journalists to give the subject of a story a chance to be
quoted--especially when they're slamming them.

Again, Fisher declined to address Sherman's accusations. He moved on to
statements that appear on the RIAA's Web site, which he claims show that the
group considers copying music to a computer as unlawful.

But Sherman suggested that Fisher was once again being selective with the
RIAA's statements. Sherman showed the location on the site where the RIAA
says that people can typically copy music for personal use without any
problems.

"They go on to equivocate and say, 'Well, usually it won't raise concerns if
you go ahead and transfer legally obtained music to your computer,'" Fisher
said during the debate, "but they won't go all the way and say that it's a
legal right."

"Not a single (legal) case has ever been brought (by the RIAA against
someone for copying music for personal use)," Sherman said. "Not a single
claim has ever been made."

In the final analysis, this is really a story about journalism ethics more
than it is about technology. Fisher is a respected journalist who probably
should remember one of the first things they teach cub reporters: when
someone challenges you over a story, it's smart to think of worst-case
scenarios.

Reporters are reminded to ask themselves whether they could defend
everything they did during the reporting and writing process if ever sued?
If the RIAA ever took the Post to court over the issue, Fisher might have to
explain why he omitted important sections of the RIAA's legal brief. He
would have to justify not trying harder to get RIAA comment.

If a reporter's work doesn't stand up, the typical remedy at most media
organizations is to issue a correction. That's what the Post should do in
this case.

Greg Sandoval is a former Washington Post staff writer.
 
Re: RIAA Washington Post CD copy story was a LIE.....

jim wrote:
> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:O6W$GVvTIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
>>
>>jim wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:Oa$9esuTIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bob" you are a coward. You post nothing to help individuals or the
>>>group as a whole.
>>>
>>>May your life and world befilled with people just like you.
>>>
>>>jim

>>
>>Thankfully the rest of us are not so clueless as you are. And may your
>>world be also filled with people like me. It would be in your best
>>interests.

>
>
> Yes "Bob". We need you to protect us from retractions like the one
> below....
>


If a certain clueless individual didn't crosspost the off topic SPAM in
the first place, the entire issue is moot. I trust we will hear no more
of this drivel in this group.
 
"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message
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> (from http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9839897-7.html?tag=nefd.top )
>
> January 3, 2008 9:26 PM PST
> RIAA shreds Washington Post story in debate
> Posted by Greg Sandoval
>

<snip>
>
> Here was a golden opportunity for Cary Sherman to declare once and for all
> that copying CDs for personal use is lawful. He stopped short of that,
> saying that copyright law is too complex to make such sweeping statements.


That's convenient. What's sweeping about it. Either it is legal or it
isn't.

<snip>
> testimony given by Jennifer Pariser, a Sony BMG lawyer, who said during an
> earlier court case: "when an individual makes a copy of a song for
> himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song."
>
> This is when Sherman really went to work on Fisher's story.
>
> "The Sony person who (Fisher) relies on actually misspoke in that trial,"
> Sherman said. "I know because I asked her after stories started appearing.
> It turns out that she had misheard the question. She thought that this was
> a question about illegal downloading when it was actually a question about
> ripping CDs. That is not the position of Sony BMG. That is not the
> position of that spokesperson. That is not the position of the industry."


Well, of course its not, unless of course it is convenient at a particular
time to enable the RIAA to swindle a Judge and/or jury. But when it makes
the RIAA look bad, then no, its not their position.

Did the Washington Post guy screw up? Maybe. Does the RIAA change its
position on issues when it suits them? No question.
 
Re: RIAA Washington Post CD copy story was a LIE.....

"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> jim wrote:
>> "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:O6W$GVvTIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>
>>>jim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:Oa$9esuTIHA.4272@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bob" you are a coward. You post nothing to help individuals or the
>>>>group as a whole.
>>>>
>>>>May your life and world befilled with people just like you.
>>>>
>>>>jim
>>>
>>>Thankfully the rest of us are not so clueless as you are. And may your
>>>world be also filled with people like me. It would be in your best
>>>interests.

>>
>>
>> Yes "Bob". We need you to protect us from retractions like the one
>> below....
>>

>
> If a certain clueless individual didn't crosspost the off topic SPAM in
> the first place, the entire issue is moot. I trust we will hear no more of
> this drivel in this group.


Perhaps you should learn what SPAM is... According to the Wikipedia entry
at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroup_spam, "Usenet convention defines
spamming as excessive multiple posting, that is, the repeated posting of a
message (or substantially similar messages). "

Please note that Usenet SPAM is NOT defined as "anything Bob doesn't like or
is not interested in".

ALL of the articles that I have posted have bearing on the vast majority of
the newsgroup readers' lives. In my experience, anything of interest to and
anything that directly affects the readers of any newsgroup is not only
allowable but is greatly appreciated by the vast majority of the readers of
the newsgroup who are not trolls and do not suffer from "Usenet Cop
Syndrome".

I've met people like you "Bob". Let me summarize "Bob" for you......

"Bob" here is most likely a loner someone who feels a loss of control in
"his" life. He has most likely not acheived anthing even remotely near what
he aspires to and is a very frustrated individual. "Bob" most likely does
not have a very active social life and feels ostracized by social circles
that he aspires to. "Bob" most likely is more comfortable wich machines
than with people. "Bob" most likely does not have many true friends at work
and is the frequent subject of unflattering discussions at his place of
employment. If "Bob" is in a comitted relationship, he most likely feels
abused and trapped in a love-less hell of his own making - having accepted
anyone that he could join with - because he felt he could do no better.

Obviously "Bob" feels the need to assert himself in, most likely, the only
way that he can - by assuming the role of Usenet policeman.

I feel sorry for you "Bob".

jim
 
Re: RIAA Washington Post CD copy story was a LIE.....

Jim:

Keep up the good work.

I personally have been following the threads with interest...the information
affects a lot of us who purchase music (and movies).

I do not see it as being SPAM in the strictest definition of the term.
While it may be off topic for the newsgroups, it is definitely of interest.
Those that don't want to read it, don't have to.

If Microsoft determines it is SPAM, they will delete it. But, as a MS MVP,
I don't believe they will.

The topic, BTW, is also going on in threads in some of the private MVP
newsgroups...many MVPs finding it of interest.

I don't have to read SPAM if I don't want to, yet so many people here get
off on replying to a posting that it's SPAM. I'm not a dummy, I know what
spam is.

Tom
"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message
news:hHwfj.61676$K27.43926@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
:
: ALL of the articles that I have posted have bearing on the vast majority
of
: the newsgroup readers' lives. In my experience, anything of interest to
and
: anything that directly affects the readers of any newsgroup is not only
: allowable but is greatly appreciated by the vast majority of the readers
of
: the newsgroup who are not trolls and do not suffer from "Usenet Cop
: Syndrome".
 
Re: RIAA Washington Post CD copy story was a LIE.....

"Tom [Pepper] Willett" <tom@youreadaisyifyoudo.com> wrote in message
news:OfBstMxTIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Jim:
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> I personally have been following the threads with interest...the
> information
> affects a lot of us who purchase music (and movies).
>
> I do not see it as being SPAM in the strictest definition of the term.
> While it may be off topic for the newsgroups, it is definitely of
> interest.
> Those that don't want to read it, don't have to.
>
> If Microsoft determines it is SPAM, they will delete it. But, as a MS
> MVP,
> I don't believe they will.
>
> The topic, BTW, is also going on in threads in some of the private MVP
> newsgroups...many MVPs finding it of interest.
>
> I don't have to read SPAM if I don't want to, yet so many people here get
> off on replying to a posting that it's SPAM. I'm not a dummy, I know what
> spam is.
>
> Tom


Thanks Tom.

I do try and only post off topic when I think the post is of great interest
to the majority of the readers of a newsgroup. Even then, I limit my posts
to 4 newsgroups that I frequent.

I also mark my off topic posts with "OT:" preceeding the subjects to let
readers know that the subject matter is off topic.

"Bob" could always add me to his killfile and spare himself from my holding
a gun to his head an making him read my posts.

Thanks again, Tom.

jim
 
On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 09:30:27 -0500, jim wrote:

> "The Post picked up one sentence in a 21-page brief and then picked the
> part of the sentence about ripping CDs onto the computer," Sherman said
> during the radio show. "(The Post) simply ignored the part of the sentence
> about putting them into a shared folder."
>
> The "shared folder" omission is at the center of what's wrong with
> Fisher's story. Anyone who reads the brief can see that the RIAA says over
> and over again what it considers to be illegal activity: the distribution
> of music files via peer-to-peer networks.



What difference does it make if they're in a Shared folder or not? I've
never had to seed any of my torrents from a Shared folder. I only need
to use a Shared folder when I'm moving files from one of my computers to
the other on my home network.
 
Thanks jim! Unlike "Bob" I appreciated that update, as I had not heard of
this update to what I thought was the RIAA being completely insane!



"jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message
news:5qrfj.61516$K27.43831@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> (from http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9839897-7.html?tag=nefd.top )
>
> January 3, 2008 9:26 PM PST
> RIAA shreds Washington Post story in debate
> Posted by Greg Sandoval
>
> An executive with the music industry's lobbying group engaged in a verbal
> sparring match on Thursday with the Washington Post columnist who alleges
> that the organization is trying to outlaw the practice of copying CDs to a
> computer.
>
> Here was a golden opportunity for Cary Sherman to declare once and for all
> that copying CDs for personal use is lawful. He stopped short of that,
> saying that copyright law is too complex to make such sweeping statements.
> National Public Radio hosted in on-air debate between Marc Fisher, the
> Post columnist, and Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry
> Association of America (RIAA). The way I saw it, Fisher was ill advised to
> debate. What was exposed was a reporter who doesn't want to admit to
> making a mistake and has dug his heels in. Meanwhile, according to
> Sherman, Fisher has misled consumers.
>
> Early in the debate, Fisher was on the defense as Sherman picked apart his
> story, which appeared on Sunday. In the piece Fisher quoted from a court
> document, filed in the case of an Arizona man accused by the RIAA of
> illegal file sharing. Fisher wrote that the quotes demonstrated that the
> lobbying group was now challenging the right of music fans to rip CDs to
> their computers.
>
> Copying CDs to a computer or an iPod is common all over the world and if
> Fisher's claims were correct, the RIAA would be painting millions of
> people as criminals. The story became national news and scores of
> publications repeated Fisher's claims.
>
> But as numerous bloggers and copyright experts have noted, the quotes
> cited by Fisher are incomplete. Fisher wrote that the RIAA had argued in
> the brief that MP3 files created from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized
> copies" and violate the law.
>
> "The Post picked up one sentence in a 21-page brief and then picked the
> part of the sentence about ripping CDs onto the computer," Sherman said
> during the radio show. "(The Post) simply ignored the part of the sentence
> about putting them into a shared folder."
>
> The "shared folder" omission is at the center of what's wrong with
> Fisher's story. Anyone who reads the brief can see that the RIAA says over
> and over again what it considers to be illegal activity: the distribution
> of music files via peer-to-peer networks.
>
> Fisher didn't address this issue during the debate. Instead he moved on to
> testimony given by Jennifer Pariser, a Sony BMG lawyer, who said during an
> earlier court case: "when an individual makes a copy of a song for
> himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song."
>
> This is when Sherman really went to work on Fisher's story.
>
> "The Sony person who (Fisher) relies on actually misspoke in that trial,"
> Sherman said. "I know because I asked her after stories started appearing.
> It turns out that she had misheard the question. She thought that this was
> a question about illegal downloading when it was actually a question about
> ripping CDs. That is not the position of Sony BMG. That is not the
> position of that spokesperson. That is not the position of the industry."
>
> Sherman said that other reporters and bloggers had called about Pariser's
> quotes and chose not to write about them after learning she had erred.
>
> Why wasn't Fisher offered this information? Well, he would have been had
> he spoken to anyone at the RIAA, Sherman said.
>
> Prior to writing the story Fisher called the RIAA for a statement once and
> left a message, according to Sherman. When the RIAA's spokesman returned
> the call two hours later, he missed Fisher. But Fisher never called back
> to get the RIAA's statement even though the story wasn't published until
> nine days later.
>
> It's customary for journalists to give the subject of a story a chance to
> be quoted--especially when they're slamming them.
>
> Again, Fisher declined to address Sherman's accusations. He moved on to
> statements that appear on the RIAA's Web site, which he claims show that
> the group considers copying music to a computer as unlawful.
>
> But Sherman suggested that Fisher was once again being selective with the
> RIAA's statements. Sherman showed the location on the site where the RIAA
> says that people can typically copy music for personal use without any
> problems.
>
> "They go on to equivocate and say, 'Well, usually it won't raise concerns
> if you go ahead and transfer legally obtained music to your computer,'"
> Fisher said during the debate, "but they won't go all the way and say that
> it's a legal right."
>
> "Not a single (legal) case has ever been brought (by the RIAA against
> someone for copying music for personal use)," Sherman said. "Not a single
> claim has ever been made."
>
> In the final analysis, this is really a story about journalism ethics more
> than it is about technology. Fisher is a respected journalist who probably
> should remember one of the first things they teach cub reporters: when
> someone challenges you over a story, it's smart to think of worst-case
> scenarios.
>
> Reporters are reminded to ask themselves whether they could defend
> everything they did during the reporting and writing process if ever sued?
> If the RIAA ever took the Post to court over the issue, Fisher might have
> to explain why he omitted important sections of the RIAA's legal brief. He
> would have to justify not trying harder to get RIAA comment.
>
> If a reporter's work doesn't stand up, the typical remedy at most media
> organizations is to issue a correction. That's what the Post should do in
> this case.
>
> Greg Sandoval is a former Washington Post staff writer.
>
>
 
Thank you for posting your thoughts!

jim

"John Q. Smith" <johnqsmith@yeahright.com> wrote in message
news:FfEfj.34968$db7.11602@newsfe12.phx...
> Thanks jim! Unlike "Bob" I appreciated that update, as I had not heard of
> this update to what I thought was the RIAA being completely insane!
>
>
>
> "jim" <jim@home.net> wrote in message
> news:5qrfj.61516$K27.43831@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> (from http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9839897-7.html?tag=nefd.top )
>>
>> January 3, 2008 9:26 PM PST
>> RIAA shreds Washington Post story in debate
>> Posted by Greg Sandoval
>>
>> An executive with the music industry's lobbying group engaged in a verbal
>> sparring match on Thursday with the Washington Post columnist who alleges
>> that the organization is trying to outlaw the practice of copying CDs to
>> a computer.
>>
>> Here was a golden opportunity for Cary Sherman to declare once and for
>> all that copying CDs for personal use is lawful. He stopped short of
>> that, saying that copyright law is too complex to make such sweeping
>> statements. National Public Radio hosted in on-air debate between Marc
>> Fisher, the Post columnist, and Cary Sherman, president of the Recording
>> Industry Association of America (RIAA). The way I saw it, Fisher was ill
>> advised to debate. What was exposed was a reporter who doesn't want to
>> admit to making a mistake and has dug his heels in. Meanwhile, according
>> to Sherman, Fisher has misled consumers.
>>
>> Early in the debate, Fisher was on the defense as Sherman picked apart
>> his story, which appeared on Sunday. In the piece Fisher quoted from a
>> court document, filed in the case of an Arizona man accused by the RIAA
>> of illegal file sharing. Fisher wrote that the quotes demonstrated that
>> the lobbying group was now challenging the right of music fans to rip CDs
>> to their computers.
>>
>> Copying CDs to a computer or an iPod is common all over the world and if
>> Fisher's claims were correct, the RIAA would be painting millions of
>> people as criminals. The story became national news and scores of
>> publications repeated Fisher's claims.
>>
>> But as numerous bloggers and copyright experts have noted, the quotes
>> cited by Fisher are incomplete. Fisher wrote that the RIAA had argued in
>> the brief that MP3 files created from legally bought CDs are
>> "unauthorized copies" and violate the law.
>>
>> "The Post picked up one sentence in a 21-page brief and then picked the
>> part of the sentence about ripping CDs onto the computer," Sherman said
>> during the radio show. "(The Post) simply ignored the part of the
>> sentence about putting them into a shared folder."
>>
>> The "shared folder" omission is at the center of what's wrong with
>> Fisher's story. Anyone who reads the brief can see that the RIAA says
>> over and over again what it considers to be illegal activity: the
>> distribution of music files via peer-to-peer networks.
>>
>> Fisher didn't address this issue during the debate. Instead he moved on
>> to testimony given by Jennifer Pariser, a Sony BMG lawyer, who said
>> during an earlier court case: "when an individual makes a copy of a song
>> for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song."
>>
>> This is when Sherman really went to work on Fisher's story.
>>
>> "The Sony person who (Fisher) relies on actually misspoke in that trial,"
>> Sherman said. "I know because I asked her after stories started
>> appearing. It turns out that she had misheard the question. She thought
>> that this was a question about illegal downloading when it was actually a
>> question about ripping CDs. That is not the position of Sony BMG. That is
>> not the position of that spokesperson. That is not the position of the
>> industry."
>>
>> Sherman said that other reporters and bloggers had called about Pariser's
>> quotes and chose not to write about them after learning she had erred.
>>
>> Why wasn't Fisher offered this information? Well, he would have been had
>> he spoken to anyone at the RIAA, Sherman said.
>>
>> Prior to writing the story Fisher called the RIAA for a statement once
>> and left a message, according to Sherman. When the RIAA's spokesman
>> returned the call two hours later, he missed Fisher. But Fisher never
>> called back to get the RIAA's statement even though the story wasn't
>> published until nine days later.
>>
>> It's customary for journalists to give the subject of a story a chance to
>> be quoted--especially when they're slamming them.
>>
>> Again, Fisher declined to address Sherman's accusations. He moved on to
>> statements that appear on the RIAA's Web site, which he claims show that
>> the group considers copying music to a computer as unlawful.
>>
>> But Sherman suggested that Fisher was once again being selective with the
>> RIAA's statements. Sherman showed the location on the site where the RIAA
>> says that people can typically copy music for personal use without any
>> problems.
>>
>> "They go on to equivocate and say, 'Well, usually it won't raise concerns
>> if you go ahead and transfer legally obtained music to your computer,'"
>> Fisher said during the debate, "but they won't go all the way and say
>> that it's a legal right."
>>
>> "Not a single (legal) case has ever been brought (by the RIAA against
>> someone for copying music for personal use)," Sherman said. "Not a single
>> claim has ever been made."
>>
>> In the final analysis, this is really a story about journalism ethics
>> more than it is about technology. Fisher is a respected journalist who
>> probably should remember one of the first things they teach cub
>> reporters: when someone challenges you over a story, it's smart to think
>> of worst-case scenarios.
>>
>> Reporters are reminded to ask themselves whether they could defend
>> everything they did during the reporting and writing process if ever
>> sued? If the RIAA ever took the Post to court over the issue, Fisher
>> might have to explain why he omitted important sections of the RIAA's
>> legal brief. He would have to justify not trying harder to get RIAA
>> comment.
>>
>> If a reporter's work doesn't stand up, the typical remedy at most media
>> organizations is to issue a correction. That's what the Post should do in
>> this case.
>>
>> Greg Sandoval is a former Washington Post staff writer.
>>
>>

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to the glory of scepticism.

388. Good sense.--They are compelled to say, "You are not acting in good
faith we are not asleep," etc. How I love to see this proud reason
humiliated and suppliant! For this is not the language of a man whose right
is disputed, and who defends it with the power of armed hands. He is not
foolish enough to declare that men are not acting in good faith, but he
punishes this bad faith with force.

389. Ecclesiastes shows that man without God is in total ignorance and
inevitable misery. For it is wretched to have the wish, but not the power.
Now he would be happy and assured of some truth, and yet he can neither
know, nor desire not to know. He cannot even doubt.

390. My God! How foolish this talk is! "Would God have made the world to
damn it? Would He ask so much from persons so weak"? etc. Scepticism is the
cure for this evil, and will take down this vanity.

391. Conversation.--Great words: Religion, I deny it.

Conversation.--Scepticism helps religion.

392. Against Scepticism.--... It is, then, a strange fact that we cannot
define these things without obscuring them, while we speak of them with all
assurance. We assume that all conceive of them in the same way but we
assume it quite gratuitously, for we have no proof of it. I see, in truth,
that the same words are applied on the same occasions, and that every time
two men see a bod
 
RIAA Washington Post CD copy story was a LIE.....

and
of comfort, a God who fills the soul and heart of those whom He possesses, a
God who makes them conscious of their inward wretchedness, and His infinite
mercy, who unites Himself to their inmost soul, who fills it with humility
and joy, with confidence and love, who renders them incapable of any other
end than Himself.

All who seek God without Jesus Christ, and who rest in nature, either find
no light to satisfy them, or come to form for themselves a means of knowing
God and serving Him without a mediator. Thereby they fall either into
atheism, or into deism, two things which the Christian religion abhors
almost equally.

Without Jesus Christ the world would not exist for it should needs be
either that it would be destroyed or be a hell.

If the world existed to instruct man of God, His divinity would shine
through every part in it in an indisputable manner but as it exists only by
Jesus Christ, and for Jesus Christ, and to teach men both their corruption
and their redemption, all displays the proofs of these two truths.

All appearance indicates neither a total exclusion nor a manifest presence
of divinity, but the presence of a God who hides himself. Everything bears
this character.

... Shall he alone who knows his nature know it only to be miserable? Shall
he
 
any thing hangs by:
thus easy is it for God, when he pleases, to cast his enemies down to
hell. What are we, that we should think to stand before him, at whose
rebuke the earth trembles, and before whom the rocks are thrown down?

They deserve to be cast into hell so that divine justice never stands
in the way, it makes no objection against God's using his power at any
moment to destroy them. Yea, on the contrary, justice calls aloud for an
infinite punishment of their sins. Divine justice says of the tree that
brings forth such grapes of Sodom, "Cut it down, why cumbereth it the
ground?" Luke 13:7. The sword of divine justice is every moment
brandished over their heads, and it is nothing but the hand of arbitrary
mercy, and God's mere will, that holds it back.

They are already under a sentence of condemnation to hell. They do not
only justly deserve to be cast down thither, but the sentence of the law
of God, that eternal and immutable rule of righteousness that God has
fixed between him and mankind, is gone out against them, and stands
against them so that they are bound over already to hell. John 3:18.
"He that believeth not is condemned already." So that every unconverted
man properly belongs to hell that is his place from thence he is, John
8:23. "Ye are from beneath:" And thither he is bound it is the place
that justice, and God's word, and the sentence of his unchangeable law
assign to him.

They are now the objects of that very same anger and wrath of God, that
is expres
 
and this strange insensibility to the greatest
objects. It is an incomprehensible enchantment, and a supernatural slumber,
which indicates as its cause an all-powerful force.

There must be a strange confusion in the nature of man, that he should boast
of being in that state in which it seems incredible that a single individual
should be. However, experience has shown me so great a number of such
persons that the fact would be surprising, if we did not know that the
greater part of those who trouble themselves about the matter are
disingenuous and not, in fact, what they say. They are people who have heard
it said that it is the fashion to be thus daring. It is what they call
"shaking off the yoke," and they try to imitate this. But it would not be
difficult to make them understand how greatly they deceive themselves in
thus seeking esteem. This is not the way to gain it, even I say among those
men of the world who take a healthy view of things and who know that the
only way to succeed in this life is to make ourselves appear honourable,
faithful, judicious, and capable of useful service to a friend because
naturally men love only what may be useful to them. Now, what do we gain by
hearing it said of a man that he has now thrown off the yoke, that he does
not believe there is a God who watches our actions, that he considers
himself the sole master of his conduct, and that he thinks he is accountable
for it only to himself.? Does he think that he has thus brought us to have
henceforth complete confidence in him and to look to him for consolation,
advice, and help in every need of life? Do they profess to have delighted us
by telling us that they hold our soul to be only a little wind and smoke,
especially by te
 
even contradictory passages.

Every author has a meaning in which all the contradictory passages agree, or
he has no meaning at all. We cannot affirm the latter of Scripture and the
prophets they undoubtedly are full of good sense. We must, then, seek for a
meaning which reconciles all discrepancies.

The true meaning, then, is not that of the Jews but in Jesus Christ all the
contradictions are reconciled.

The Jews could not reconcile the cessation of the royalty and principality,
foretold by Hosea, with the prophecy of Jacob.

If we take the law, the sacrifices, and the kingdom as realities, we cannot
reconcile all the passages. They must then necessarily be only types. We
cannot even reconcile the passages of the same author, nor of the same book,
nor sometimes of the same chapter, which indicates copiously what was the
meaning of the author. As when Ezekiel, chap. 20., Says that man will not
live by the commandments of God and will live by them.

685. Types.--If the law and the sacrifices are the truth, it must please
God, and must not displease Him. If they are types, they must be both
pleasing and displeasing.

Now in all the Scripture they are both pleasing and displeasing. It is said
that the law shall be changed that the sacrifice shall be changed that
they shall be without law, without a prince, and without a sacrifice that a
new covenant shall be made that the law shall be renewed that the precepts
which they have received
 
spite of that consideration which makes them honoured by
the learned, because they judge them by a new light which piety gives them.
But perfect Christians honour them by another and higher light. So arise a
succession of opinions for and against, according to the light one has.

338. True Christians, nevertheless, comply with folly, not because they
respect folly, but the command of God, who for the punishment of men has
made them subject to these follies. Omnis creatura subjecta est vanitati.45
Liberabitur.46 Thus Saint Thomas explains the passage in Saint James on
giving place to the rich, that, if they do it not in the sight of God, they
depart from the command of religion.

SECTION VI: THE PHILOSOPHERS

339. I can well conceive a man without hands, feet, head (for it is only
experience which teaches us that the head is more necessary than feet). But
I cannot conceive man without thought he would be a stone or a brute.

340. The arithmetical machine produces effects which approach nearer to
thought than all the actions of animals. But it does nothing which would
enable us to attribute will to it, as to the animals.

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