So I tried it...

[Stephan Rose]

Before spending money on Vista I thought I'd see if I can't obtain a disk
from someone I know and give it a test run. Turns out someone I know had a
disk and let me borrow it. I figured, the 30 day trial is plenty of time
for me to figure out if I need to actually spend any money on this. Man,
am I glad I did this prior to spending money.

I have to say, I actually did say "Wow.......this is pathetic."
But hey, at least I had Wow in the sentence right?

Results:

- Sound does not work out of the box, though this has got to be the first
time I actually have seen the online driver search function work and find
a driver. So it worked after that...fair enough.

- Video does not work beyond 1024x768, latest drivers. Dealbreaker right
there. Google reveals that I'm not the only one with the issue and
apparently the only fix I've seen so far is to use the VGA output instead.
Difficult to do with a video card that only has DVI outputs, not to
mention that I run a dual monitor setup and need both my outputs no matter
what the type. Not even manually choosing the "1600x1200 Digital Flatpanel"
driver fixes this. So yes, I tried.

- My *MICROSOFT* Keyboard is not recognized correctly. It's a Japanese
keyboard, I select "Japanese" layout...and it does not give me a Japanese
layout no matter what I do. What else beyond selecting "Japanese" as my
keyboard type and layout am I supposed to friggin do?? Call bill gates?
Again, dealbreaker right there if I can't properly use my keyboard!

- Looking into the device manager I see about 4-5 other devices not
supported, including my SATA controller. Hard drive does obviously work
since Vista is running but I wonder if it was running at its optimum
performance seeing that the device manager was complaining about not
having a driver for the controller.

At that point in time...I just stopped and booted back into Ubuntu where
all of the above things just worked out of the box....and tomorrow I'll
temporarily disconnect my other hard drives so that I can reinstall XP and
be done with it. At least XP works with my less than 1 year old hardware
and at least gets my keyboard layout right half the time.

Oh and btw, did anyone ever tell Microsoft that we have more than 16
colors these days? Their OS installer is awfully unaware of this apparently.

I mean seriously, THIS is the best Microsoft can do??? THIS is supposed to
be progress? Advancement?? It can't even work correctly out of the box
with my very up to date hardware!

I seriously gave it a try and approached it with an open mind. Had I
actually spent 259 or worse 399 on this man would I be pissed right now.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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å›ã®ã“ã¨å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

 

[Mike]

In article <OdWdnb8yjZaFHj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com>,
Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> wrote:

> - Video does not work beyond 1024x768, latest drivers. Dealbreaker right
> there. Google reveals that I'm not the only one with the issue and
> apparently the only fix I've seen so far is to use the VGA output instead.
> Difficult to do with a video card that only has DVI outputs, not to
> mention that I run a dual monitor setup and need both my outputs no matter
> what the type. Not even manually choosing the "1600x1200 Digital Flatpanel"
> driver fixes this. So yes, I tried.

Driver issue.

>
> - My *MICROSOFT* Keyboard is not recognized correctly. It's a Japanese
> keyboard, I select "Japanese" layout...and it does not give me a Japanese
> layout no matter what I do. What else beyond selecting "Japanese" as my
> keyboard type and layout am I supposed to friggin do?? Call bill gates?
> Again, dealbreaker right there if I can't properly use my keyboard!

Driver issue.

>
> - Looking into the device manager I see about 4-5 other devices not
> supported, including my SATA controller. Hard drive does obviously work
> since Vista is running but I wonder if it was running at its optimum
> performance seeing that the device manager was complaining about not
> having a driver for the controller.

Driver issue.

> I mean seriously, THIS is the best Microsoft can do??? THIS is supposed to
> be progress? Advancement?? It can't even work correctly out of the box
> with my very up to date hardware!

No, it's the best the hardware vendors who wrote the drivers can do. It's not Microsoft's job to write drivers.

Mike

 

[Mr. Arnold]

You are kind of pathetic. I'll bet you don't wash you're behind before you
change you underwear too.

I'll bet you just ran off lickety split and install the software without
doing a compatibilty check to see if the computer was even compatible or
even strong enough to run Vista.

 

[Bob]

Everything you just said is a driver problem. Not a problem with VISTA.


"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
news:OdWdnb8yjZaFHj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com...
> Before spending money on Vista I thought I'd see if I can't obtain a disk
> from someone I know and give it a test run. Turns out someone I know had a
> disk and let me borrow it. I figured, the 30 day trial is plenty of time
> for me to figure out if I need to actually spend any money on this. Man,
> am I glad I did this prior to spending money.
>
> I have to say, I actually did say "Wow.......this is pathetic."
> But hey, at least I had Wow in the sentence right?
>
> Results:
>
> - Sound does not work out of the box, though this has got to be the first
> time I actually have seen the online driver search function work and find
> a driver. So it worked after that...fair enough.
>
> - Video does not work beyond 1024x768, latest drivers. Dealbreaker right
> there. Google reveals that I'm not the only one with the issue and
> apparently the only fix I've seen so far is to use the VGA output instead.
> Difficult to do with a video card that only has DVI outputs, not to
> mention that I run a dual monitor setup and need both my outputs no matter
> what the type. Not even manually choosing the "1600x1200 Digital
> Flatpanel"
> driver fixes this. So yes, I tried.
>
> - My *MICROSOFT* Keyboard is not recognized correctly. It's a Japanese
> keyboard, I select "Japanese" layout...and it does not give me a Japanese
> layout no matter what I do. What else beyond selecting "Japanese" as my
> keyboard type and layout am I supposed to friggin do?? Call bill gates?
> Again, dealbreaker right there if I can't properly use my keyboard!
>
> - Looking into the device manager I see about 4-5 other devices not
> supported, including my SATA controller. Hard drive does obviously work
> since Vista is running but I wonder if it was running at its optimum
> performance seeing that the device manager was complaining about not
> having a driver for the controller.
>
> At that point in time...I just stopped and booted back into Ubuntu where
> all of the above things just worked out of the box....and tomorrow I'll
> temporarily disconnect my other hard drives so that I can reinstall XP and
> be done with it. At least XP works with my less than 1 year old hardware
> and at least gets my keyboard layout right half the time.
>
> Oh and btw, did anyone ever tell Microsoft that we have more than 16
> colors these days? Their OS installer is awfully unaware of this
> apparently.
>
> I mean seriously, THIS is the best Microsoft can do??? THIS is supposed to
> be progress? Advancement?? It can't even work correctly out of the box
> with my very up to date hardware!
>
> I seriously gave it a try and approached it with an open mind. Had I
> actually spent 259 or worse 399 on this man would I be pissed right now.
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
> å›ã®ã“ã¨æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯
> å›ã®ã“ã¨å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:24:00 -0400, Mike wrote:

> In article <OdWdnb8yjZaFHj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> wrote:
>
>> - Video does not work beyond 1024x768, latest drivers. Dealbreaker right
>> there. Google reveals that I'm not the only one with the issue and
>> apparently the only fix I've seen so far is to use the VGA output instead.
>> Difficult to do with a video card that only has DVI outputs, not to
>> mention that I run a dual monitor setup and need both my outputs no matter
>> what the type. Not even manually choosing the "1600x1200 Digital Flatpanel"
>> driver fixes this. So yes, I tried.
>
> Driver issue.
>
>>
>> - My *MICROSOFT* Keyboard is not recognized correctly. It's a Japanese
>> keyboard, I select "Japanese" layout...and it does not give me a Japanese
>> layout no matter what I do. What else beyond selecting "Japanese" as my
>> keyboard type and layout am I supposed to friggin do?? Call bill gates?
>> Again, dealbreaker right there if I can't properly use my keyboard!
>
> Driver issue.

And still a microsoft issue. It's a microsoft keyboard. Who, other than
microsoft, should be writing drivers for their own keyboard which I bought
in march/april time so *after* Vista was released?

>
>>
>> - Looking into the device manager I see about 4-5 other devices not
>> supported, including my SATA controller. Hard drive does obviously work
>> since Vista is running but I wonder if it was running at its optimum
>> performance seeing that the device manager was complaining about not
>> having a driver for the controller.
>
> Driver issue.
>
>> I mean seriously, THIS is the best Microsoft can do??? THIS is supposed to
>> be progress? Advancement?? It can't even work correctly out of the box
>> with my very up to date hardware!
>
> No, it's the best the hardware vendors who wrote the drivers can do.
> It's not Microsoft's job to write drivers.

Honestly, I really don't care. I seriously don't. I expect that when
someone charges up to 399 for their product that it works. I don't care how
it works. I don't care why it works. I don't care whose responsibility
what is. I only care that, had I spent money on it, that it would WORK!

Why it doesn't....does not concern me at all. I treat this like any other
product I buy.

If I buy a toaster I expect it to toast.
If I buy a car I expect it to drive.
If I buy a fridge I expect it to cool things!

On that same note, if I buy an operating system designed for a PC I expect
it work with my PC's hardware. Especially if said hardware was purchased
less than a year ago. If it doesn't, I don't care why it doesn't. I only
care about the problems I have as a result and the fact that it doesn't.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

å›ã®ã“ã¨æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯
å›ã®ã“ã¨å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

 

[Richard Urban]

Stephan has been around for months knocking Vista, without even having tried
it.

Now he can do it with "authority"!

Sad piece of work, this fellow, almost as bad as Alias.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Mr. Arnold" <MR. Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote in message
news:%23I8T3X%23yHHA.5408@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> You are kind of pathetic. I'll bet you don't wash you're behind before you
> change you underwear too.
>
> I'll bet you just ran off lickety split and install the software without
> doing a compatibilty check to see if the computer was even compatible or
> even strong enough to run Vista.

 

[Swingman]

> I seriously gave it a try and approached it with an open mind.

Sure you did... if your job was to paint the Sistine Chapel, we'd be looking
down, not up.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 6/1/07
KarlC@ (the obvious)

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:24:48 -0400, Mr. Arnold wrote:

> You are kind of pathetic. I'll bet you don't wash you're behind before you
> change you underwear too.
>
> I'll bet you just ran off lickety split and install the software without
> doing a compatibilty check to see if the computer was even compatible or
> even strong enough to run Vista.

Processor: Intel 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo
Video Card: BFG 8800 GTX OC
RAM: 2048MB Kingston HyperX DDR2 800MHz 4-4-4-12
Hard drive: 320 gig SATAII
Motherboard: Asus P5WDG-WS
CD/DVD: Drive can handle any CD / DVD media including dual layer and
RAM-DVD and lightscribe.
Power Supply: 600W
Case: Thermaltake Kandalf
CPU Cooling: Blue Orb II
Sound Card: Audigy 2

Now if that isn't powerful enough for Vista...then I honestly don't know
what to say.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

å›ã®ã“ã¨æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯
å›ã®ã“ã¨å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:39:49 -0500, Swingman wrote:

>> I seriously gave it a try and approached it with an open mind.
>
> Sure you did... if your job was to paint the Sistine Chapel, we'd be looking
> down, not up.
>

What more than install the OS, install the latest drivers, am I supposed
to do? Please...be so kind as to enlighten me.

Live with 1024x768 on a 1600x1200 LCD? no thank you.

If *you* have the solution to that problem for instance, that apparently
nobody else yet does, then please! Let's hear it! I'd be most interested.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

å›ã®ã“ã¨æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯
å›ã®ã“ã¨å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:39:26 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:

> Stephan has been around for months knocking Vista, without even having tried
> it.
>
> Now he can do it with "authority"!
>
> Sad piece of work, this fellow, almost as bad as Alias.
>

Please, do me a favor...don't compare me with Alias. Yes I'm no big fan of
Vista and there are things about it I don't like, but I don't do what Alias
does. Not even remotely. My main reason to coming to this NG was educating
myself on Vista and it has been quite educational. I might occasionally
answer to OS specific discussions when such discussions actually contain
constructive statements and not insulting contests between Alias and
Frank...but I don't go around and post "Get Ubuntu" to every vista problem
post now do I?

Now, if you have any actual constructive thoughts and know of a solution
to any of the problems. Then please, by all means, I'd be interested in
hearing it. Google has not revealed much more other than that I'm not the
only one with said issues.

So I'm at the end of the road. More than install the OS and install the
appropriate drivers I can't do. But hey, if you know something I don't,
something else I could do, please do share. I will actually go give it a
try.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

å›ã®ã“ã¨æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯
å›ã®ã“ã¨å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

 

[Adam Albright]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:24:48 -0400, "Mr. Arnold" <MR.
Arnold@Arnold.com> wrote:

>You are kind of pathetic. I'll bet you don't wash you're behind before you
>change you underwear too.
>
>I'll bet you just ran off lickety split and install the software without
>doing a compatibilty check to see if the computer was even compatible or
>even strong enough to run Vista.


Are you related to the other village idiot Frank?

 

[Adam Albright]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:39:26 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Stephan has been around for months knocking Vista, without even having tried
>it.
>
>Now he can do it with "authority"!
>
>Sad piece of work, this fellow, almost as bad as Alias.

I bet if there was a way to give you clowns (MVPs) a banana, maybe you
would stop your screeching for a couple minutes.

Vista has problem, what problems?

http://texasholdemblogger.files.wor...ys-hear-no-evil-see-no-evil-speak-no-evil.jpg

The monkeys: left to right are Urban, Jupiter and Hall

 

[Charlie Tame]

Mr. Arnold wrote:
> You are kind of pathetic. I'll bet you don't wash you're behind before
> you change you underwear too.
>
> I'll bet you just ran off lickety split and install the software without
> doing a compatibilty check to see if the computer was even compatible or
> even strong enough to run Vista.


Idiot

 

[Charlie Tame]

Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:24:00 -0400, Mike wrote:
>
>> In article <OdWdnb8yjZaFHj_bnZ2dnUVZ8sninZ2d@giganews.com>,
>> Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> wrote:
>>
>>> - Video does not work beyond 1024x768, latest drivers. Dealbreaker right
>>> there. Google reveals that I'm not the only one with the issue and
>>> apparently the only fix I've seen so far is to use the VGA output instead.
>>> Difficult to do with a video card that only has DVI outputs, not to
>>> mention that I run a dual monitor setup and need both my outputs no matter
>>> what the type. Not even manually choosing the "1600x1200 Digital Flatpanel"
>>> driver fixes this. So yes, I tried.
>> Driver issue.
>>
>>> - My *MICROSOFT* Keyboard is not recognized correctly. It's a Japanese
>>> keyboard, I select "Japanese" layout...and it does not give me a Japanese
>>> layout no matter what I do. What else beyond selecting "Japanese" as my
>>> keyboard type and layout am I supposed to friggin do?? Call bill gates?
>>> Again, dealbreaker right there if I can't properly use my keyboard!
>> Driver issue.
>
> And still a microsoft issue. It's a microsoft keyboard. Who, other than
> microsoft, should be writing drivers for their own keyboard which I bought
> in march/april time so *after* Vista was released?
>
>>> - Looking into the device manager I see about 4-5 other devices not
>>> supported, including my SATA controller. Hard drive does obviously work
>>> since Vista is running but I wonder if it was running at its optimum
>>> performance seeing that the device manager was complaining about not
>>> having a driver for the controller.
>> Driver issue.
>>
>>> I mean seriously, THIS is the best Microsoft can do??? THIS is supposed to
>>> be progress? Advancement?? It can't even work correctly out of the box
>>> with my very up to date hardware!
>> No, it's the best the hardware vendors who wrote the drivers can do.
>> It's not Microsoft's job to write drivers.
>
> Honestly, I really don't care. I seriously don't. I expect that when
> someone charges up to 399 for their product that it works. I don't care how
> it works. I don't care why it works. I don't care whose responsibility
> what is. I only care that, had I spent money on it, that it would WORK!
>
> Why it doesn't....does not concern me at all. I treat this like any other
> product I buy.
>
> If I buy a toaster I expect it to toast.
> If I buy a car I expect it to drive.
> If I buy a fridge I expect it to cool things!
>
> On that same note, if I buy an operating system designed for a PC I expect
> it work with my PC's hardware. Especially if said hardware was purchased
> less than a year ago. If it doesn't, I don't care why it doesn't. I only
> care about the problems I have as a result and the fact that it doesn't.
>


Quite so, to most users the "Driver Issue" argument is irrelevant, it is
simply a "Fanboy" excuse.

 

[Charlie Tame]

Richard Urban wrote:
> Stephan has been around for months knocking Vista, without even having
> tried it.
>
> Now he can do it with "authority"!
>
> Sad piece of work, this fellow, almost as bad as Alias.
>


Can you spell sycophant ?

 

[Charlie Tame]

Swingman wrote:
>> I seriously gave it a try and approached it with an open mind.
>
> Sure you did... if your job was to paint the Sistine Chapel, we'd be
> looking down, not up.
>

Idiot

 

[Adam Albright]

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:06:46 -0500, Charlie Tame <charlie@tames.net>
wrote:

>Quite so, to most users the "Driver Issue" argument is irrelevant, it is
>simply a "Fanboy" excuse.

Looks especially lame when the driver is for a MICROSOFT keyboard.

My experience, the Vista compatibility advisor nagged about two
applications I had on my XP box. Both Microsoft.

ROTFLMAO!

 

[Frank]

Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:39:26 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:
>
>
>>Stephan has been around for months knocking Vista, without even having tried
>>it.
>>
>>Now he can do it with "authority"!
>>
>>Sad piece of work, this fellow, almost as bad as Alias.
>>
>
>
> Please, do me a favor...don't compare me with Alias. Yes I'm no big fan of
> Vista and there are things about it I don't like, but I don't do what Alias
> does. Not even remotely. My main reason to coming to this NG was educating
> myself on Vista and it has been quite educational. I might occasionally
> answer to OS specific discussions when such discussions actually contain
> constructive statements and not insulting contests between Alias and
> Frank...but I don't go around and post "Get Ubuntu" to every vista problem
> post now do I?
>
> Now, if you have any actual constructive thoughts and know of a solution
> to any of the problems. Then please, by all means, I'd be interested in
> hearing it. Google has not revealed much more other than that I'm not the
> only one with said issues.
>
> So I'm at the end of the road. More than install the OS and install the
> appropriate drivers I can't do. But hey, if you know something I don't,
> something else I could do, please do share. I will actually go give it a
> try.
>

So you've been commenting on Vista and all along you've never installed
it? Now you tried to install it and you can't.
Well...that knocks your technical expertise image down a whole bunch of
notches.
Anyway, you've had an attitude about all things MS and Vista since the
get go.
My advice, stick with the "nix's.
Frank

 

[Swingman]

"Stephan Rose" wrote in message
>
> If *you* have the solution to that problem for instance, that apparently
> nobody else yet does, then please! Let's hear it! I'd be most interested.

Hey, bubba .. you're the one slobbering in the public trough about _your
failure_ with an operating system. I've had a few problems with it, sure
enuff, but a little persistence has paid off with a laptop, running a
spanking new OS, that'll outwork the other boxes on this network ... imagine
that.

Indeed, sorry about your publicized failure to get it done.

--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 6/1/07
KarlC@ (the obvious)

 

[Frank]

Stephan Rose wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:39:49 -0500, Swingman wrote:
>
>
>>>I seriously gave it a try and approached it with an open mind.
>>
>>Sure you did... if your job was to paint the Sistine Chapel, we'd be looking
>>down, not up.
>>
>
>
> What more than install the OS, install the latest drivers, am I supposed
> to do? Please...be so kind as to enlighten me.
>
> Live with 1024x768 on a 1600x1200 LCD? no thank you.
>
> If *you* have the solution to that problem for instance, that apparently
> nobody else yet does, then please! Let's hear it! I'd be most interested.
>

And all along I thought you actually knew what you were doing?
Sheese...!
Frank