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Charlie Tame
Re: Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, JustFYI
The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:
> Charlie Tame wrote:
>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
>> wrote:
>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>> "cvp" <goaway@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eeW0SR1GIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I have Ubuntu 7.10 running under VirtualPC. It required a few minor
>>>>> actions to make it work - described somewhere in this newsgroup,
>>>>> but the essence is below:
>>>>>
>>>>> On the Ubuntu boot menu, select Start or install Ubuntu and hit
>>>>> F6. Add to the end of the line, and press Enter. This will make
>>>>> the mouse work in recent versions of the kernel.
>>>>>
>>>>> When Ubuntu boots to the Live CD and XWindows loads, the graphics
>>>>> will be... not good. You're going to need to change the color
>>>>> depth to make it display correctly. To do that:
>>>>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console.
>>>>> Type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and press Enter.
>>>>> Press CTRL W, type depth and press Enter. You should see a line
>>>>> that says "DefaultDepth 24". Delete 24 and type 16.
>>>>> Press CTRL O, and press Enter to save the file.
>>>>> Press CTRL X to exit the nano editor.
>>>>> Press CTRL-ALT-F7 to switch back to XWindows - that graphics will
>>>>> still not be right.
>>>>> Press CTRL-ALT-Backspace to reload XWindows. The graphics should
>>>>> be good to go now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Run the installation like you normally would. When installation is
>>>>> complete, Ubuntu will boot, and the video should be correct (it was
>>>>> for me - if it's not, repeat the step listed above), but the mouse
>>>>> won't work. To fix the mouse in a more permenant manner, we'll need
>>>>> to add a kernel parameter to the GRUB loader. Here's how:
>>>>> Boot into Ubuntu on the hard drive.
>>>>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console and log in.
>>>>> Type sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst.
>>>>> Press CTRL W and type end default options, then press Enter.
>>>>> The first entry in the list below is the entry containing the
>>>>> information to boot Ubuntu in regular mode. Find the line that
>>>>> starts with kernel and go all the way to the end of it. At the
>>>>> end, type i8042.noloop, press CTRL O, and press Enter to save.
>>>>> At this point, you can do the same with the other entries, like the
>>>>> recovery mode one if you care enough to bother. If not, just hit
>>>>> CTRL X to exit nano.
>>>>> Type sudo reboot to reboot the VM.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And this is why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time - I can take a
>>>> Windows CD or DVD and just boot from it and install - and yet for
>>>> the so called user friendly and as some have touted better Ubuntu I
>>>> have to jump through hoops to just to get it to install.
>>>
>>> Yesterday I installed Vista business 32 bit, fedora core 7, and
>>> ubuntu 7 on virtual machines on my XP machine in VMware server 1.04.
>>> In both Fedora and Ubuntu, everything worked immediately but with
>>> Vista, it did not setup a few pieces of hardware like the vista
>>> compatible linksys 1032 v.3 gigabit nic (with the standard machine
>>> setup and bridged networking used for all machines).
>>>
>>> The conclusion I draw from this is that VPC 2007 and Vista are
>>> defective.
>>>
>>
>> Methinks something changed between the time MS sent the specifications
>> to net card manufacturers to make drivers with and the time that Vista
>> actually rolled out
>
> Could be, but All of this I have run into with vista and drivers is with
> vista business RTM, which means vista was already 'rolled out'. Did you
> see the run around I'm having trying to get a vista compatible nic
> driver? So far my experience with OSes recently is that XP is great as
> far as devices and drivers, Linux is a close second, and vista is still
> a cluster fsck at this time.
>
Well Linksys have something like 3 hardware revisions and I purchased 2
cards that "Should" have been compatible but the drivers didn't work, a
third card works fine with both V32 and V64. The other cards all work
with V32 AND XP64.
What is happening is that UAC won't let some Aegis ? component run but
it does NOT tell you this, so the thing just hangs never installing. In
the end I went back to Compusa to tell them what worked and what didn't,
whether they listened or not I don't know but it was pretty obvious
they'd had enough of inexplicable complaints
The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:
> Charlie Tame wrote:
>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
>> wrote:
>>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>>> "cvp" <goaway@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eeW0SR1GIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I have Ubuntu 7.10 running under VirtualPC. It required a few minor
>>>>> actions to make it work - described somewhere in this newsgroup,
>>>>> but the essence is below:
>>>>>
>>>>> On the Ubuntu boot menu, select Start or install Ubuntu and hit
>>>>> F6. Add to the end of the line, and press Enter. This will make
>>>>> the mouse work in recent versions of the kernel.
>>>>>
>>>>> When Ubuntu boots to the Live CD and XWindows loads, the graphics
>>>>> will be... not good. You're going to need to change the color
>>>>> depth to make it display correctly. To do that:
>>>>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console.
>>>>> Type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and press Enter.
>>>>> Press CTRL W, type depth and press Enter. You should see a line
>>>>> that says "DefaultDepth 24". Delete 24 and type 16.
>>>>> Press CTRL O, and press Enter to save the file.
>>>>> Press CTRL X to exit the nano editor.
>>>>> Press CTRL-ALT-F7 to switch back to XWindows - that graphics will
>>>>> still not be right.
>>>>> Press CTRL-ALT-Backspace to reload XWindows. The graphics should
>>>>> be good to go now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Run the installation like you normally would. When installation is
>>>>> complete, Ubuntu will boot, and the video should be correct (it was
>>>>> for me - if it's not, repeat the step listed above), but the mouse
>>>>> won't work. To fix the mouse in a more permenant manner, we'll need
>>>>> to add a kernel parameter to the GRUB loader. Here's how:
>>>>> Boot into Ubuntu on the hard drive.
>>>>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console and log in.
>>>>> Type sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst.
>>>>> Press CTRL W and type end default options, then press Enter.
>>>>> The first entry in the list below is the entry containing the
>>>>> information to boot Ubuntu in regular mode. Find the line that
>>>>> starts with kernel and go all the way to the end of it. At the
>>>>> end, type i8042.noloop, press CTRL O, and press Enter to save.
>>>>> At this point, you can do the same with the other entries, like the
>>>>> recovery mode one if you care enough to bother. If not, just hit
>>>>> CTRL X to exit nano.
>>>>> Type sudo reboot to reboot the VM.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And this is why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time - I can take a
>>>> Windows CD or DVD and just boot from it and install - and yet for
>>>> the so called user friendly and as some have touted better Ubuntu I
>>>> have to jump through hoops to just to get it to install.
>>>
>>> Yesterday I installed Vista business 32 bit, fedora core 7, and
>>> ubuntu 7 on virtual machines on my XP machine in VMware server 1.04.
>>> In both Fedora and Ubuntu, everything worked immediately but with
>>> Vista, it did not setup a few pieces of hardware like the vista
>>> compatible linksys 1032 v.3 gigabit nic (with the standard machine
>>> setup and bridged networking used for all machines).
>>>
>>> The conclusion I draw from this is that VPC 2007 and Vista are
>>> defective.
>>>
>>
>> Methinks something changed between the time MS sent the specifications
>> to net card manufacturers to make drivers with and the time that Vista
>> actually rolled out
>
> Could be, but All of this I have run into with vista and drivers is with
> vista business RTM, which means vista was already 'rolled out'. Did you
> see the run around I'm having trying to get a vista compatible nic
> driver? So far my experience with OSes recently is that XP is great as
> far as devices and drivers, Linux is a close second, and vista is still
> a cluster fsck at this time.
>
Well Linksys have something like 3 hardware revisions and I purchased 2
cards that "Should" have been compatible but the drivers didn't work, a
third card works fine with both V32 and V64. The other cards all work
with V32 AND XP64.
What is happening is that UAC won't let some Aegis ? component run but
it does NOT tell you this, so the thing just hangs never installing. In
the end I went back to Compusa to tell them what worked and what didn't,
whether they listened or not I don't know but it was pretty obvious
they'd had enough of inexplicable complaints
