Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI

[kevpan815]

Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM? Are
You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service Pack One
Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So You'll Love Open
Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI. http://www.ubuntu.com/

 

[Mike Brannigan]

"kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7A01FEED-29A8-4FE0-90A0-C3111DDA88F8@microsoft.com...
> Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM? Are
> You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service Pack One
> Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So You'll Love Open
> Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI. http://www.ubuntu.com/

Why would you want the general public to have access to a pre release BETA
version of a service pack ?
[what's the matter Kev - just sore that Microsoft saw fit to not include you
on the technical beta program?]

Why would you come in hear and instead of helping, try and encourage people
who may be vulnerable at this time due to them experiencing an issue with
heir current OS to try and install a completely differnt OS that may not be
compatible with their current hardware and of course will not run any of
their current applications they have invested in and is not really suitable
for an average end user in terms of quality of support available.

Just or your FYI - your all hailed Ubuntu will not even install on a simple
emulated PC as offered by Microsoft Virtual PC and where is all the help
from the community ? a couple of irrelevant FAQs for an earlier version
that do not rectify the problem.
Surely if you think Ubuntu is ready for prime time usage by average end
users you are very much mistaken (a common state for the majority of the
Linux community)
--

Mike Brannigan

 

[kevpan815@nospam.hotmail.com]

Re: Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, JustFYI

Works Fine For Me, Just FYI.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:15:42 -0500, Mike Brannigan
<Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote:

> "kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7A01FEED-29A8-4FE0-90A0-C3111DDA88F8@microsoft.com...
>> Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM?
>> Are
>> You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service Pack
>> One
>> Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So You'll Love
>> Open
>> Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI. http://www.ubuntu.com/
>
> Why would you want the general public to have access to a pre release
> BETA version of a service pack ?
> [what's the matter Kev - just sore that Microsoft saw fit to not include
> you on the technical beta program?]
>
> Why would you come in hear and instead of helping, try and encourage
> people who may be vulnerable at this time due to them experiencing an
> issue with heir current OS to try and install a completely differnt OS
> that may not be compatible with their current hardware and of course
> will not run any of their current applications they have invested in and
> is not really suitable for an average end user in terms of quality of
> support available.
>
> Just or your FYI - your all hailed Ubuntu will not even install on a
> simple emulated PC as offered by Microsoft Virtual PC and where is all
> the help from the community ? a couple of irrelevant FAQs for an
> earlier version that do not rectify the problem.
> Surely if you think Ubuntu is ready for prime time usage by average end
> users you are very much mistaken (a common state for the majority of the
> Linux community)



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[jonbey]

Although I am still using ubunut 7.04, I can agree that it/linux is
now a very user friendly operation system. In some ways Ubuntu is
actually more user friendly than Vista. I personally still have some
issues, such as not being able to install Jalbum due to not having
Sun's java, but i know that with a bit more work i can soon get that
fixed. Linux rocks,

Cheers

Jon.

 

[Stephan Rose]

Re: Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, JustFYI

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:15:42 +0000, Mike Brannigan wrote:

> "kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:7A01FEED-29A8-4FE0-90A0-C3111DDA88F8@microsoft.com...
>> Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM?
>> Are You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service
>> Pack One Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So
>> You'll Love Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI.
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>
> Why would you want the general public to have access to a pre release
> BETA version of a service pack ?
> [what's the matter Kev - just sore that Microsoft saw fit to not include
> you on the technical beta program?]
>
> Why would you come in hear and instead of helping, try and encourage
> people who may be vulnerable at this time due to them experiencing an
> issue with heir current OS to try and install a completely differnt OS
> that may not be compatible with their current hardware and of course
> will not run any of their current applications they have invested in and
> is not really suitable for an average end user in terms of quality of
> support available.
>
> Just or your FYI - your all hailed Ubuntu will not even install on a
> simple emulated PC as offered by Microsoft Virtual PC and where is all
> the help from the community ? a couple of irrelevant FAQs for an
> earlier version that do not rectify the problem.
> Surely if you think Ubuntu is ready for prime time usage by average end
> users you are very much mistaken (a common state for the majority of the
> Linux community)

With all due respect Mike, the only virtual machine I'm aware of that
Ubuntu (and this only by reports of this newsgroup as I never have nor
will bother to try it) will not run on is Microsoft Virtual PC. It runs
perfectly fine under VMWare and it runs perfectly fine under VirtualBox.

Coincidence??? As far as I am concerned, something smells rather fishy
here.

You might want to try VirtualBox instead. It is free and should give much
better results. Matter of fact, I have run Ubuntu in the past under
VirtualBox prior to installing it for real. You'll also likely be able to
receive better help from the community as VMWare or VirtualBox are used
far more frequently since they aren't restricted to one platform.

--
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[cvp]

Re: Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, JustFYI

I have Ubuntu 7.10 running under VirtualPC. It required a few minor
actions to make it work - described somewhere in this newsgroup, but the
essence is below:

On the Ubuntu boot menu, select Start or install Ubuntu and hit F6. Add
i8042.noloop to the end of the line, and press Enter. This will make
the mouse work in recent versions of the kernel.

When Ubuntu boots to the Live CD and XWindows loads, the graphics will
be... not good. You're going to need to change the color depth to make
it display correctly. To do that:
Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console.
Type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and press Enter.
Press CTRL W, type depth and press Enter. You should see a line that
says "DefaultDepth 24". Delete 24 and type 16.
Press CTRL O, and press Enter to save the file.
Press CTRL X to exit the nano editor.
Press CTRL-ALT-F7 to switch back to XWindows - that graphics will still
not be right.
Press CTRL-ALT-Backspace to reload XWindows. The graphics should be
good to go now.

Run the installation like you normally would. When installation is
complete, Ubuntu will boot, and the video should be correct (it was for
me - if it's not, repeat the step listed above), but the mouse won't
work. To fix the mouse in a more permenant manner, we'll need to add a
kernel parameter to the GRUB loader. Here's how:
Boot into Ubuntu on the hard drive.
Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console and log in.
Type sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst.
Press CTRL W and type end default options, then press Enter.
The first entry in the list below is the entry containing the
information to boot Ubuntu in regular mode. Find the line that starts
with kernel and go all the way to the end of it. At the end, type
i8042.noloop, press CTRL O, and press Enter to save.
At this point, you can do the same with the other entries, like the
recovery mode one if you care enough to bother. If not, just hit CTRL X
to exit nano.
Type sudo reboot to reboot the VM.



Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:15:42 +0000, Mike Brannigan wrote:
>
>> "kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:7A01FEED-29A8-4FE0-90A0-C3111DDA88F8@microsoft.com...
>>> Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM?
>>> Are You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service
>>> Pack One Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So
>>> You'll Love Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI.
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>> Why would you want the general public to have access to a pre release
>> BETA version of a service pack ?
>> [what's the matter Kev - just sore that Microsoft saw fit to not include
>> you on the technical beta program?]
>>
>> Why would you come in hear and instead of helping, try and encourage
>> people who may be vulnerable at this time due to them experiencing an
>> issue with heir current OS to try and install a completely differnt OS
>> that may not be compatible with their current hardware and of course
>> will not run any of their current applications they have invested in and
>> is not really suitable for an average end user in terms of quality of
>> support available.
>>
>> Just or your FYI - your all hailed Ubuntu will not even install on a
>> simple emulated PC as offered by Microsoft Virtual PC and where is all
>> the help from the community ? a couple of irrelevant FAQs for an
>> earlier version that do not rectify the problem.
>> Surely if you think Ubuntu is ready for prime time usage by average end
>> users you are very much mistaken (a common state for the majority of the
>> Linux community)
>
> With all due respect Mike, the only virtual machine I'm aware of that
> Ubuntu (and this only by reports of this newsgroup as I never have nor
> will bother to try it) will not run on is Microsoft Virtual PC. It runs
> perfectly fine under VMWare and it runs perfectly fine under VirtualBox.
>
> Coincidence??? As far as I am concerned, something smells rather fishy
> here.
>
> You might want to try VirtualBox instead. It is free and should give much
> better results. Matter of fact, I have run Ubuntu in the past under
> VirtualBox prior to installing it for real. You'll also likely be able to
> receive better help from the community as VMWare or VirtualBox are used
> far more frequently since they aren't restricted to one platform.
>

 

[kevpan815]

Perhaps You Are Correct Mike, Open Source Linux Does Not Fit my Needs,
Therefore I Here By Announce That As Of 23 And A Quarter Hundred Hours On
October The 30th, 2007, I Have Indeed Returned 64 Bit Version Of The
Microsoft Windows Server 2008 Release Candidate 0 Public Beta, Just FYI.
Spooky

Attention Windows Vista Naysayer's: If You Hate Windows Vista RTM, You'll
Love The Microsoft Windows Server 2008 Release Candidate 0 Public Beta, Just
FYI.

"kevpan815" wrote:

> Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM? Are
> You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service Pack One
> Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So You'll Love Open
> Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI. http://www.ubuntu.com/

 

[Mike Brannigan]

Re: Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI

"cvp" <goaway@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eeW0SR1GIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I have Ubuntu 7.10 running under VirtualPC. It required a few minor actions
>to make it work - described somewhere in this newsgroup, but the essence is
>below:
>
> On the Ubuntu boot menu, select Start or install Ubuntu and hit F6. Add
> to the end of the line, and press Enter. This will make the mouse work in
> recent versions of the kernel.
>
> When Ubuntu boots to the Live CD and XWindows loads, the graphics will
> be... not good. You're going to need to change the color depth to make it
> display correctly. To do that:
> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console.
> Type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and press Enter.
> Press CTRL W, type depth and press Enter. You should see a line that says
> "DefaultDepth 24". Delete 24 and type 16.
> Press CTRL O, and press Enter to save the file.
> Press CTRL X to exit the nano editor.
> Press CTRL-ALT-F7 to switch back to XWindows - that graphics will still
> not be right.
> Press CTRL-ALT-Backspace to reload XWindows. The graphics should be good
> to go now.
>
> Run the installation like you normally would. When installation is
> complete, Ubuntu will boot, and the video should be correct (it was for
> me - if it's not, repeat the step listed above), but the mouse won't work.
> To fix the mouse in a more permenant manner, we'll need to add a kernel
> parameter to the GRUB loader. Here's how:
> Boot into Ubuntu on the hard drive.
> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console and log in.
> Type sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst.
> Press CTRL W and type end default options, then press Enter.
> The first entry in the list below is the entry containing the information
> to boot Ubuntu in regular mode. Find the line that starts with kernel and
> go all the way to the end of it. At the end, type i8042.noloop, press
> CTRL O, and press Enter to save.
> At this point, you can do the same with the other entries, like the
> recovery mode one if you care enough to bother. If not, just hit CTRL X
> to exit nano.
> Type sudo reboot to reboot the VM.
>
>

And this is why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time - I can take a Windows CD
or DVD and just boot from it and install - and yet for the so called user
friendly and as some have touted better Ubuntu I have to jump through hoops
to just to get it to install.
--

Mike Brannigan

"cvp" <goaway@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eeW0SR1GIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I have Ubuntu 7.10 running under VirtualPC. It required a few minor actions
>to make it work - described somewhere in this newsgroup, but the essence is
>below:
>
> On the Ubuntu boot menu, select Start or install Ubuntu and hit F6. Add
> i8042.noloop to the end of the line, and press Enter. This will make the
> mouse work in recent versions of the kernel.
>
> When Ubuntu boots to the Live CD and XWindows loads, the graphics will
> be... not good. You're going to need to change the color depth to make it
> display correctly. To do that:
> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console.
> Type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and press Enter.
> Press CTRL W, type depth and press Enter. You should see a line that says
> "DefaultDepth 24". Delete 24 and type 16.
> Press CTRL O, and press Enter to save the file.
> Press CTRL X to exit the nano editor.
> Press CTRL-ALT-F7 to switch back to XWindows - that graphics will still
> not be right.
> Press CTRL-ALT-Backspace to reload XWindows. The graphics should be good
> to go now.
>
> Run the installation like you normally would. When installation is
> complete, Ubuntu will boot, and the video should be correct (it was for
> me - if it's not, repeat the step listed above), but the mouse won't work.
> To fix the mouse in a more permenant manner, we'll need to add a kernel
> parameter to the GRUB loader. Here's how:
> Boot into Ubuntu on the hard drive.
> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console and log in.
> Type sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst.
> Press CTRL W and type end default options, then press Enter.
> The first entry in the list below is the entry containing the information
> to boot Ubuntu in regular mode. Find the line that starts with kernel and
> go all the way to the end of it. At the end, type i8042.noloop, press
> CTRL O, and press Enter to save.
> At this point, you can do the same with the other entries, like the
> recovery mode one if you care enough to bother. If not, just hit CTRL X
> to exit nano.
> Type sudo reboot to reboot the VM.
>
>
>
> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:15:42 +0000, Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>
>>> "kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7A01FEED-29A8-4FE0-90A0-C3111DDA88F8@microsoft.com...
>>>> Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM?
>>>> Are You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service
>>>> Pack One Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So
>>>> You'll Love Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI.
>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>> Why would you want the general public to have access to a pre release
>>> BETA version of a service pack ?
>>> [what's the matter Kev - just sore that Microsoft saw fit to not include
>>> you on the technical beta program?]
>>>
>>> Why would you come in hear and instead of helping, try and encourage
>>> people who may be vulnerable at this time due to them experiencing an
>>> issue with heir current OS to try and install a completely differnt OS
>>> that may not be compatible with their current hardware and of course
>>> will not run any of their current applications they have invested in and
>>> is not really suitable for an average end user in terms of quality of
>>> support available.
>>>
>>> Just or your FYI - your all hailed Ubuntu will not even install on a
>>> simple emulated PC as offered by Microsoft Virtual PC and where is all
>>> the help from the community ? a couple of irrelevant FAQs for an
>>> earlier version that do not rectify the problem.
>>> Surely if you think Ubuntu is ready for prime time usage by average end
>>> users you are very much mistaken (a common state for the majority of the
>>> Linux community)
>>
>> With all due respect Mike, the only virtual machine I'm aware of that
>> Ubuntu (and this only by reports of this newsgroup as I never have nor
>> will bother to try it) will not run on is Microsoft Virtual PC. It runs
>> perfectly fine under VMWare and it runs perfectly fine under VirtualBox.
>>
>> Coincidence??? As far as I am concerned, something smells rather fishy
>> here. You might want to try VirtualBox instead. It is free and should
>> give much better results. Matter of fact, I have run Ubuntu in the past
>> under VirtualBox prior to installing it for real. You'll also likely be
>> able to receive better help from the community as VMWare or VirtualBox
>> are used far more frequently since they aren't restricted to one
>> platform.
>>

 

[Sean]

I think this is what happens when PCs have proliferated our society and now
people living with certain brain "conditions" are allowed by the hospital
staff to use the computer.

I am by no means a Windows or Vista fan, but to suggest Linux is laughable
at best. The day the Linux fanboys ever quit obsessing about their hatred
towards Micrsoft and actually sit down and start to code and improve what is
now still a horrid desktop, maybe then it should be considered. But even
Ubuntu is years away.


"kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7A01FEED-29A8-4FE0-90A0-C3111DDA88F8@microsoft.com...
> Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM? Are
> You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service Pack One
> Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So You'll Love Open
> Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI. http://www.ubuntu.com/

 

[cvp]

Re: Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, JustFYI

I agree that it's not quite ready for prime time, but I'd hardly use its
ability to install under VirtualPC as a justification. In fact, if
anything, I'd point to the problem being one of VirtualPC's making.
IAC - I merely pointed out the necessary actions.

Mike Brannigan wrote:
> "cvp" <goaway@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:eeW0SR1GIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> I have Ubuntu 7.10 running under VirtualPC. It required a few minor
>> actions to make it work - described somewhere in this newsgroup, but
>> the essence is below:
>>
>> On the Ubuntu boot menu, select Start or install Ubuntu and hit F6.
>> Add to the end of the line, and press Enter. This will make the mouse
>> work in recent versions of the kernel.
>>
>> When Ubuntu boots to the Live CD and XWindows loads, the graphics will
>> be... not good. You're going to need to change the color depth to
>> make it display correctly. To do that:
>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console.
>> Type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and press Enter.
>> Press CTRL W, type depth and press Enter. You should see a line that
>> says "DefaultDepth 24". Delete 24 and type 16.
>> Press CTRL O, and press Enter to save the file.
>> Press CTRL X to exit the nano editor.
>> Press CTRL-ALT-F7 to switch back to XWindows - that graphics will
>> still not be right.
>> Press CTRL-ALT-Backspace to reload XWindows. The graphics should be
>> good to go now.
>>
>> Run the installation like you normally would. When installation is
>> complete, Ubuntu will boot, and the video should be correct (it was
>> for me - if it's not, repeat the step listed above), but the mouse
>> won't work. To fix the mouse in a more permenant manner, we'll need to
>> add a kernel parameter to the GRUB loader. Here's how:
>> Boot into Ubuntu on the hard drive.
>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console and log in.
>> Type sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst.
>> Press CTRL W and type end default options, then press Enter.
>> The first entry in the list below is the entry containing the
>> information to boot Ubuntu in regular mode. Find the line that starts
>> with kernel and go all the way to the end of it. At the end, type
>> i8042.noloop, press CTRL O, and press Enter to save.
>> At this point, you can do the same with the other entries, like the
>> recovery mode one if you care enough to bother. If not, just hit CTRL
>> X to exit nano.
>> Type sudo reboot to reboot the VM.
>>
>>
>
> And this is why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time - I can take a
> Windows CD or DVD and just boot from it and install - and yet for the so
> called user friendly and as some have touted better Ubuntu I have to
> jump through hoops to just to get it to install.

 

[dennis@home]

<kevpan815@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
newsp.t01a22cmawsrwp@kevin-desktop...
> Works Fine For Me, Just FYI.

Rubbish you still can't post without the stupid capitals so Ubuntu is
obviously broken.

 

[dennis@home]

"kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1B3F91F3-11C6-4C22-B35A-A10DA4821A95@microsoft.com...
> Perhaps You Are Correct Mike, Open Source Linux Does Not Fit my Needs,
> Therefore I Here By Announce That As Of 23 And A Quarter Hundred Hours On
> October The 30th, 2007, I Have Indeed Returned 64 Bit Version Of The
> Microsoft Windows Server 2008 Release Candidate 0 Public Beta, Just FYI.
> Spooky
>
> Attention Windows Vista Naysayer's: If You Hate Windows Vista RTM, You'll
> Love The Microsoft Windows Server 2008 Release Candidate 0 Public Beta,
> Just
> FYI.
>
> "kevpan815" wrote:
>
>> Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM?
>> Are
>> You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service Pack
>> One
>> Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So You'll Love Open
>> Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI. http://www.ubuntu.com/

You haven't worked out that changing your newsreader headers isn't enough to
fool us into thinking you are/were running linux.
You missed something.

 

[Jerry Atricks]

"kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1B3F91F3-11C6-4C22-B35A-A10DA4821A95@microsoft.com...
> Perhaps You Are Correct Mike, Open Source Linux Does Not Fit my Needs,
> Therefore I Here By Announce That As Of 23 And A Quarter Hundred Hours On
> October The 30th, 2007, I Have Indeed Returned 64 Bit Version Of The
> Microsoft Windows Server 2008 Release Candidate 0 Public Beta, Just FYI.
> Spooky

I am amazed that you can even figure out how to boot up your PC with Ubuntu
on it. Just FYI.


>
> Attention Windows Vista Naysayer's: If You Hate Windows Vista RTM, You'll
> Love The Microsoft Windows Server 2008 Release Candidate 0 Public Beta,
> Just
> FYI.
>
> "kevpan815" wrote:
>
>> Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM?
>> Are
>> You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service Pack
>> One
>> Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So You'll Love Open
>> Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI. http://www.ubuntu.com/

 

[Charlie Tame]

Re: Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, JustFYI

Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:15:42 +0000, Mike Brannigan wrote:
>
>> "kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:7A01FEED-29A8-4FE0-90A0-C3111DDA88F8@microsoft.com...
>>> Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM?
>>> Are You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service
>>> Pack One Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So
>>> You'll Love Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI.
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>> Why would you want the general public to have access to a pre release
>> BETA version of a service pack ?
>> [what's the matter Kev - just sore that Microsoft saw fit to not include
>> you on the technical beta program?]
>>
>> Why would you come in hear and instead of helping, try and encourage
>> people who may be vulnerable at this time due to them experiencing an
>> issue with heir current OS to try and install a completely differnt OS
>> that may not be compatible with their current hardware and of course
>> will not run any of their current applications they have invested in and
>> is not really suitable for an average end user in terms of quality of
>> support available.
>>
>> Just or your FYI - your all hailed Ubuntu will not even install on a
>> simple emulated PC as offered by Microsoft Virtual PC and where is all
>> the help from the community ? a couple of irrelevant FAQs for an
>> earlier version that do not rectify the problem.
>> Surely if you think Ubuntu is ready for prime time usage by average end
>> users you are very much mistaken (a common state for the majority of the
>> Linux community)
>
> With all due respect Mike, the only virtual machine I'm aware of that
> Ubuntu (and this only by reports of this newsgroup as I never have nor
> will bother to try it) will not run on is Microsoft Virtual PC. It runs
> perfectly fine under VMWare and it runs perfectly fine under VirtualBox.
>
> Coincidence??? As far as I am concerned, something smells rather fishy
> here.
>
> You might want to try VirtualBox instead. It is free and should give much
> better results. Matter of fact, I have run Ubuntu in the past under
> VirtualBox prior to installing it for real. You'll also likely be able to
> receive better help from the community as VMWare or VirtualBox are used
> far more frequently since they aren't restricted to one platform.
>


Just FYI I have installed VirtualBox on a few machines using Debian and
Ubuntu (Feisty and GG) and it plays host to Vista and XP very well, in
fact Vista boots far faster - but of course the GFX are limited in Vista
and XP with limited acceleration. OTOH with one of each running on 2
sides if a 6 sided "Cube" and no real effect on the host you can update
all 3 at the same time and carry on working with Eclipse so there goes
your excuse for a coffee break

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Re: Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, JustFYI

Mike Brannigan wrote:
> "cvp" <goaway@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:eeW0SR1GIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> I have Ubuntu 7.10 running under VirtualPC. It required a few minor
>> actions to make it work - described somewhere in this newsgroup, but
>> the essence is below:
>>
>> On the Ubuntu boot menu, select Start or install Ubuntu and hit F6.
>> Add to the end of the line, and press Enter. This will make the mouse
>> work in recent versions of the kernel.
>>
>> When Ubuntu boots to the Live CD and XWindows loads, the graphics will
>> be... not good. You're going to need to change the color depth to
>> make it display correctly. To do that:
>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console.
>> Type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and press Enter.
>> Press CTRL W, type depth and press Enter. You should see a line that
>> says "DefaultDepth 24". Delete 24 and type 16.
>> Press CTRL O, and press Enter to save the file.
>> Press CTRL X to exit the nano editor.
>> Press CTRL-ALT-F7 to switch back to XWindows - that graphics will
>> still not be right.
>> Press CTRL-ALT-Backspace to reload XWindows. The graphics should be
>> good to go now.
>>
>> Run the installation like you normally would. When installation is
>> complete, Ubuntu will boot, and the video should be correct (it was
>> for me - if it's not, repeat the step listed above), but the mouse
>> won't work. To fix the mouse in a more permenant manner, we'll need to
>> add a kernel parameter to the GRUB loader. Here's how:
>> Boot into Ubuntu on the hard drive.
>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console and log in.
>> Type sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst.
>> Press CTRL W and type end default options, then press Enter.
>> The first entry in the list below is the entry containing the
>> information to boot Ubuntu in regular mode. Find the line that starts
>> with kernel and go all the way to the end of it. At the end, type
>> i8042.noloop, press CTRL O, and press Enter to save.
>> At this point, you can do the same with the other entries, like the
>> recovery mode one if you care enough to bother. If not, just hit CTRL
>> X to exit nano.
>> Type sudo reboot to reboot the VM.
>>
>>
>
> And this is why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time - I can take a
> Windows CD or DVD and just boot from it and install - and yet for the so
> called user friendly and as some have touted better Ubuntu I have to
> jump through hoops to just to get it to install.

Yesterday I installed Vista business 32 bit, fedora core 7, and ubuntu 7
on virtual machines on my XP machine in VMware server 1.04. In both
Fedora and Ubuntu, everything worked immediately but with Vista, it did
not setup a few pieces of hardware like the vista compatible linksys
1032 v.3 gigabit nic (with the standard machine setup and bridged
networking used for all machines).

The conclusion I draw from this is that VPC 2007 and Vista are defective.

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[Stephan Rose]

Re: Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, JustFYI

On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:19:44 +0000, Mike Brannigan wrote:

> "cvp" <goaway@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:eeW0SR1GIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>I have Ubuntu 7.10 running under VirtualPC. It required a few minor
>>actions to make it work - described somewhere in this newsgroup, but the
>>essence is below:
>>
>> On the Ubuntu boot menu, select Start or install Ubuntu and hit F6.
>> Add to the end of the line, and press Enter. This will make the mouse
>> work in recent versions of the kernel.
>>
>> When Ubuntu boots to the Live CD and XWindows loads, the graphics will
>> be... not good. You're going to need to change the color depth to make
>> it display correctly. To do that:
>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console. Type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
>> and press Enter. Press CTRL W, type depth and press Enter. You should
>> see a line that says "DefaultDepth 24". Delete 24 and type 16. Press
>> CTRL O, and press Enter to save the file. Press CTRL X to exit the nano
>> editor. Press CTRL-ALT-F7 to switch back to XWindows - that graphics
>> will still not be right.
>> Press CTRL-ALT-Backspace to reload XWindows. The graphics should be
>> good to go now.
>>
>> Run the installation like you normally would. When installation is
>> complete, Ubuntu will boot, and the video should be correct (it was for
>> me - if it's not, repeat the step listed above), but the mouse won't
>> work. To fix the mouse in a more permenant manner, we'll need to add a
>> kernel parameter to the GRUB loader. Here's how: Boot into Ubuntu on
>> the hard drive.
>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console and log in. Type sudo nano
>> /boot/grub/menu.lst.
>> Press CTRL W and type end default options, then press Enter. The first
>> entry in the list below is the entry containing the information to boot
>> Ubuntu in regular mode. Find the line that starts with kernel and go
>> all the way to the end of it. At the end, type i8042.noloop, press
>> CTRL O, and press Enter to save.
>> At this point, you can do the same with the other entries, like the
>> recovery mode one if you care enough to bother. If not, just hit CTRL
>> X to exit nano.
>> Type sudo reboot to reboot the VM.
>>
>>
>>
> And this is why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time - I can take a
> Windows CD or DVD and just boot from it and install - and yet for the so
> called user friendly and as some have touted better Ubuntu I have to
> jump through hoops to just to get it to install.

Oh give me a break. Read my post. Use a non-microsoft virtual machine and
you have absolutely NO HOOPS to jump through.

Quite honestly, I am not surprised that Microsoft's Virtual PC has
problems with non-microsoft operating systems. Even if this is not
intentional by microsoft, I am quite sure they are in absolutely no hurry
to fix it...

And yes, when 2 out of 3 products *don't* have a given problem then as
far as I am concerned, the problem lies with the product that doesn't
work correctly. In this case, VirtualBox and VMWare VS MS Virtual PC.

And no, I highly doubt that Ubuntu developers are concerned with
compatibility to MS' virtual machine. They are more worried about
compatibility with important stuff such as real hardware.

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[Stephan Rose]

Re: Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, JustFYI

On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:52:15 +0000, jonbey wrote:

> Although I am still using ubunut 7.04, I can agree that it/linux is now
> a very user friendly operation system. In some ways Ubuntu is actually
> more user friendly than Vista. I personally still have some issues, such
> as not being able to install Jalbum due to not having Sun's java, but i
> know that with a bit more work i can soon get that fixed. Linux rocks,

Huh? Not having Sun's Java??

Umm, go to your package manager, (Synaptic or Adept depending if you're
using Ubuntu or Kubuntu) and then go install sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-
plugin and there you go! Sun Java VM.

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[Spanky deMonkey]

What I installed - Just FYI

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
news:uDZndV%23GIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:15:42 +0000, Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>
>>> "kevpan815" <kevpan815@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7A01FEED-29A8-4FE0-90A0-C3111DDA88F8@microsoft.com...
>>>> Attention Windows Vista Naysayers: Are You Sick Of Windows Vista RTM?
>>>> Are You Also Sick Of The Fact That Microsoft Will Not Release Service
>>>> Pack One Beta One For Windows Vista To The General Public? If So
>>>> You'll Love Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, Just FYI.
>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>> Why would you want the general public to have access to a pre release
>>> BETA version of a service pack ?
>>> [what's the matter Kev - just sore that Microsoft saw fit to not include
>>> you on the technical beta program?]
>>>
>>> Why would you come in hear and instead of helping, try and encourage
>>> people who may be vulnerable at this time due to them experiencing an
>>> issue with heir current OS to try and install a completely differnt OS
>>> that may not be compatible with their current hardware and of course
>>> will not run any of their current applications they have invested in and
>>> is not really suitable for an average end user in terms of quality of
>>> support available.
>>>
>>> Just or your FYI - your all hailed Ubuntu will not even install on a
>>> simple emulated PC as offered by Microsoft Virtual PC and where is all
>>> the help from the community ? a couple of irrelevant FAQs for an
>>> earlier version that do not rectify the problem.
>>> Surely if you think Ubuntu is ready for prime time usage by average end
>>> users you are very much mistaken (a common state for the majority of the
>>> Linux community)
>>
>> With all due respect Mike, the only virtual machine I'm aware of that
>> Ubuntu (and this only by reports of this newsgroup as I never have nor
>> will bother to try it) will not run on is Microsoft Virtual PC. It runs
>> perfectly fine under VMWare and it runs perfectly fine under VirtualBox.
>>
>> Coincidence??? As far as I am concerned, something smells rather fishy
>> here. You might want to try VirtualBox instead. It is free and should
>> give much better results. Matter of fact, I have run Ubuntu in the past
>> under VirtualBox prior to installing it for real. You'll also likely be
>> able to receive better help from the community as VMWare or VirtualBox
>> are used far more frequently since they aren't restricted to one
>> platform.
>>
>
>
> Just FYI I have installed VirtualBox on a few machines using Debian and
> Ubuntu (Feisty and GG) and it plays host to Vista and XP very well, in
> fact Vista boots far faster - but of course the GFX are limited in Vista
> and XP with limited acceleration. OTOH with one of each running on 2 sides
> if a 6 sided "Cube" and no real effect on the host you can update all 3 at
> the same time and carry on working with Eclipse so there goes your excuse
> for a coffee break

I installed a beer dispenser on top of my Ubuntu box so whenever I thought
it would be cool to use Ubuntu, I would drink. Then it didn't matter what I
did on the Ubuntu box, cause nothing works with Ubuntu anyway. Just FYI.
For real work, I got sober then I booted my Windows box. Works like a charm
every time. Just FYI. OTOH, if I were a former USPS employee, Just FYI, I
wouldn't be able to do anything. Just FYI.

 

[Charlie Tame]

Re: Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, JustFYI

The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:
> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>> "cvp" <goaway@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:eeW0SR1GIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> I have Ubuntu 7.10 running under VirtualPC. It required a few minor
>>> actions to make it work - described somewhere in this newsgroup, but
>>> the essence is below:
>>>
>>> On the Ubuntu boot menu, select Start or install Ubuntu and hit F6.
>>> Add to the end of the line, and press Enter. This will make the
>>> mouse work in recent versions of the kernel.
>>>
>>> When Ubuntu boots to the Live CD and XWindows loads, the graphics
>>> will be... not good. You're going to need to change the color depth
>>> to make it display correctly. To do that:
>>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console.
>>> Type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and press Enter.
>>> Press CTRL W, type depth and press Enter. You should see a line that
>>> says "DefaultDepth 24". Delete 24 and type 16.
>>> Press CTRL O, and press Enter to save the file.
>>> Press CTRL X to exit the nano editor.
>>> Press CTRL-ALT-F7 to switch back to XWindows - that graphics will
>>> still not be right.
>>> Press CTRL-ALT-Backspace to reload XWindows. The graphics should be
>>> good to go now.
>>>
>>> Run the installation like you normally would. When installation is
>>> complete, Ubuntu will boot, and the video should be correct (it was
>>> for me - if it's not, repeat the step listed above), but the mouse
>>> won't work. To fix the mouse in a more permenant manner, we'll need
>>> to add a kernel parameter to the GRUB loader. Here's how:
>>> Boot into Ubuntu on the hard drive.
>>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console and log in.
>>> Type sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst.
>>> Press CTRL W and type end default options, then press Enter.
>>> The first entry in the list below is the entry containing the
>>> information to boot Ubuntu in regular mode. Find the line that
>>> starts with kernel and go all the way to the end of it. At the end,
>>> type i8042.noloop, press CTRL O, and press Enter to save.
>>> At this point, you can do the same with the other entries, like the
>>> recovery mode one if you care enough to bother. If not, just hit
>>> CTRL X to exit nano.
>>> Type sudo reboot to reboot the VM.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And this is why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time - I can take a
>> Windows CD or DVD and just boot from it and install - and yet for the
>> so called user friendly and as some have touted better Ubuntu I have
>> to jump through hoops to just to get it to install.
>
> Yesterday I installed Vista business 32 bit, fedora core 7, and ubuntu 7
> on virtual machines on my XP machine in VMware server 1.04. In both
> Fedora and Ubuntu, everything worked immediately but with Vista, it did
> not setup a few pieces of hardware like the vista compatible linksys
> 1032 v.3 gigabit nic (with the standard machine setup and bridged
> networking used for all machines).
>
> The conclusion I draw from this is that VPC 2007 and Vista are defective.
>


Methinks something changed between the time MS sent the specifications
to net card manufacturers to make drivers with and the time that Vista
actually rolled out

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Re: Sick Of Vista? Try Out Open Source Linux Ubuntu 7.10 RTW, JustFYI

Charlie Tame wrote:
> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
> wrote:
>> Mike Brannigan wrote:
>>> "cvp" <goaway@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:eeW0SR1GIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> I have Ubuntu 7.10 running under VirtualPC. It required a few minor
>>>> actions to make it work - described somewhere in this newsgroup, but
>>>> the essence is below:
>>>>
>>>> On the Ubuntu boot menu, select Start or install Ubuntu and hit F6.
>>>> Add to the end of the line, and press Enter. This will make the
>>>> mouse work in recent versions of the kernel.
>>>>
>>>> When Ubuntu boots to the Live CD and XWindows loads, the graphics
>>>> will be... not good. You're going to need to change the color depth
>>>> to make it display correctly. To do that:
>>>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console.
>>>> Type sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf and press Enter.
>>>> Press CTRL W, type depth and press Enter. You should see a line
>>>> that says "DefaultDepth 24". Delete 24 and type 16.
>>>> Press CTRL O, and press Enter to save the file.
>>>> Press CTRL X to exit the nano editor.
>>>> Press CTRL-ALT-F7 to switch back to XWindows - that graphics will
>>>> still not be right.
>>>> Press CTRL-ALT-Backspace to reload XWindows. The graphics should be
>>>> good to go now.
>>>>
>>>> Run the installation like you normally would. When installation is
>>>> complete, Ubuntu will boot, and the video should be correct (it was
>>>> for me - if it's not, repeat the step listed above), but the mouse
>>>> won't work. To fix the mouse in a more permenant manner, we'll need
>>>> to add a kernel parameter to the GRUB loader. Here's how:
>>>> Boot into Ubuntu on the hard drive.
>>>> Hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to drop to a console and log in.
>>>> Type sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst.
>>>> Press CTRL W and type end default options, then press Enter.
>>>> The first entry in the list below is the entry containing the
>>>> information to boot Ubuntu in regular mode. Find the line that
>>>> starts with kernel and go all the way to the end of it. At the end,
>>>> type i8042.noloop, press CTRL O, and press Enter to save.
>>>> At this point, you can do the same with the other entries, like the
>>>> recovery mode one if you care enough to bother. If not, just hit
>>>> CTRL X to exit nano.
>>>> Type sudo reboot to reboot the VM.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And this is why Ubuntu is not ready for prime time - I can take a
>>> Windows CD or DVD and just boot from it and install - and yet for the
>>> so called user friendly and as some have touted better Ubuntu I have
>>> to jump through hoops to just to get it to install.
>>
>> Yesterday I installed Vista business 32 bit, fedora core 7, and ubuntu
>> 7 on virtual machines on my XP machine in VMware server 1.04. In both
>> Fedora and Ubuntu, everything worked immediately but with Vista, it
>> did not setup a few pieces of hardware like the vista compatible
>> linksys 1032 v.3 gigabit nic (with the standard machine setup and
>> bridged networking used for all machines).
>>
>> The conclusion I draw from this is that VPC 2007 and Vista are defective.
>>
>
> Methinks something changed between the time MS sent the specifications
> to net card manufacturers to make drivers with and the time that Vista
> actually rolled out

Could be, but All of this I have run into with vista and drivers is with
vista business RTM, which means vista was already 'rolled out'. Did you
see the run around I'm having trying to get a vista compatible nic
driver? So far my experience with OSes recently is that XP is great as
far as devices and drivers, Linux is a close second, and vista is still
a cluster fsck at this time.

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creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
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