Runing out of Memory

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Moshe Rosenberg <MosheRosenberg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
>physical ram.
>
>I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
>few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to alt+tab,
>minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up for a
>day.
>
>See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
>
>http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
>
>This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
>
>What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
>using les than 30% of PF.
>
>Where is the bottleneck??
>
>Any help would be appreciated!



How many windows is "many"? 10? 20? 100? more than 100?

Basically you are overloading your computer. With 2 gb of physical
RAM and 1.3 gb of "PF Usage" your computer is almost certainly running
close to the limits in a number of areas, not all of which are
fixable.

Your best and simplest cure is probably to review your computer usage
habits. Why are so many windows open at once? You can only look at
a few at a time, even with a large screen high resolution monitor.
There are probably a number of items among all those open windows that
could quite easily be closed without causing any real inconvenience or
delays.

Also you might want to look at some of the specific applications that
you have open and running, as there are some which are well known as
"computer killers" because of the drag they put on overall performance
and/or the high demands they place on system resources and functions.
"King of the hill" in this category would be anything from
Norton/Symantec. These are enough to drag most computers to their
knees by themselves and when you add them to a large number of other
open applications it is a recipe for slow performance if not outright
disaster. There are alternaitve products that do not place anywhere
near the same degree of load on the computer.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
> you have eyes but cannot
> see or read with them.
>



It doesn't matter how many times you mindlessly parrot advertising
copy; that won't change the simple fact that you've utterly failed to
offer any objective evidence to support you claims.


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db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
> lack of knowledge and experience
> is one's own undoing.



Something you experience each and every day, no doubt.

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your hypocritical position may fly
among the young, the new and the
ignorant especially when they are
vulnerable and sufferring with a
problem pertaining to the registry.....

however, there are other threads
where you admit to using registry
cleaners like the one called ccleaner.

essentially you are an unreliable
source of information. but that's
ok, you can use all the registry
cleaners you want, just don't
preach to others against using
them.

fortunately there is a reliable
source of information and directly
from the source and the experts:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

i'm not mindless,
just mindful.


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"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
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> db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
>> you have eyes but cannot
>> see or read with them.
>>

>
>
> It doesn't matter how many times you mindlessly parrot advertising
> copy; that won't change the simple fact that you've utterly failed to
> offer any objective evidence to support you claims.
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
> Russell
 
db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
> your hypocritical position may fly
> among the young, the new and the
> ignorant especially when they are
> vulnerable and sufferring with a
> problem pertaining to the registry.....
>



Sorry, no hypocrisy here. And only your religiously spouting
advertising copy as technical advice could possibly "fly among the
young, the new, and the ignorant." Experienced users won't be fooled by
you.


> however, there are other threads
> where you admit to using registry
> cleaners like the one called ccleaner.
>


You need help with your reading comprehension. I've stately repeated
that I've *tested* CCleaner and found it's registry "cleaning" to be
absolutely untrustworthy; nothing but false alarms.



>
> fortunately there is a reliable
> source of information and directly
> from the source and the experts:
>


Again, that is nothing but adv ertising copy. You still have not
managed to find a single, solitary reliable technical reference. Why
not just admit you've failed?


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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

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On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:42:59 -0500, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .
<databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

>i'm not mindless,
>just mindful.


You might be a
bit more credible
if you learned
how to post
using 'normal'
line lengths. It's ridiculous to have to scroll down to read a message
that could fit on one screen if posted properly, but experience has
told me that I'm just practicing my typing talking about this to you.

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"Zilbandy" <zil@zilbandyREMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:42:59 -0500, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .
> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>i'm not mindless,
>>just mindful.

>
> You might be a
> bit more credible
> if you learned
> how to post
> using 'normal'
> line lengths. It's ridiculous to have to scroll down to read a message
> that could fit on one screen if posted properly, but experience has
> told me that I'm just practicing my typing talking about this to you.
>
> --
> Zilbandy
 
yeh, right......

just inhaled it and not smoked it
kind of guy - aren't you?.

and yet you would consider
"testing" a registry cleaner
since you have pre determined long
ago about there total and
absolute worthlessness...

surely, you did not stop
at just one...

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"Bruce Chambers" <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote in message
news:%23zNO$JlvHHA.4244@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
>> your hypocritical position may fly
>> among the young, the new and the
>> ignorant especially when they are
>> vulnerable and sufferring with a
>> problem pertaining to the registry.....
>>

>
>
> Sorry, no hypocrisy here. And only your religiously spouting
> advertising copy as technical advice could possibly "fly among the
> young, the new, and the ignorant." Experienced users won't be fooled
> by you.
>
>
>> however, there are other threads
>> where you admit to using registry
>> cleaners like the one called ccleaner.
>>

>
> You need help with your reading comprehension. I've stately repeated
> that I've *tested* CCleaner and found it's registry "cleaning" to be
> absolutely untrustworthy; nothing but false alarms.
>
>
>
>>
>> fortunately there is a reliable
>> source of information and directly
>> from the source and the experts:
>>

>
> Again, that is nothing but adv ertising copy. You still have not
> managed to find a single, solitary reliable technical reference. Why
> not just admit you've failed?
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
> Russell
 
Rock,

Seems like you hit the nail on the head. I used that utility mentioned in
the MSDN article, and it seems I was running out of heaps.

Now to fix the issue...

Thanks for enlightening me on this area!

Moshe

"Rock" wrote:

> "Moshe Rosenberg" wrote
> >I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
> > physical ram.
> >
> > I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
> > few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to
> > alt+tab,
> > minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up
> > for a
> > day.
> >
> > See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
> >
> > http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
> >
> > This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
> >
> > What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
> > using les than 30% of PF.
> >
> > Where is the bottleneck??
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated!

>
>
> This could be an issue of heaps. See these articles:
>
> Desktop Heap Limitations
> http://blogs.msdn.com/tonyschr/archive/2005/05/25/desktop-heap-limitations.aspx
>
> PRB: User32.dll or Kernel32.dll fails to initialize
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/184802/
>
> --
> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
>
>
 
"Moshe Rosenberg" <MosheRosenberg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> Rock,
>
> Seems like you hit the nail on the head. I used that utility mentioned in
> the MSDN article, and it seems I was running out of heaps.
>
> Now to fix the issue...
>
> Thanks for enlightening me on this area!
>
> Moshe


You're welcome. Good luck.

---
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]


> "Rock" wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Rosenberg" wrote
>> >I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have
>> >enough
>> > physical ram.
>> >
>> > I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running
>> > for a
>> > few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to
>> > alt+tab,
>> > minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up
>> > for a
>> > day.
>> >
>> > See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
>> >
>> > http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
>> >
>> > This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
>> >
>> > What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and
>> > only
>> > using les than 30% of PF.
>> >
>> > Where is the bottleneck??
>> >
>> > Any help would be appreciated!

>>
>>
>> This could be an issue of heaps. See these articles:
>>
>> Desktop Heap Limitations
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/tonyschr/archive/2005/05/25/desktop-heap-limitations.aspx
>>
>> PRB: User32.dll or Kernel32.dll fails to initialize
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/184802/
 
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