Re: Will Linux EVER hit 1 percent????

  • Thread starter Thread starter John O. Kopf
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Andrew Halliwell <spike1@ponder.sky.com> writes:

> John O. Kopf <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> My point is that the casual user inflicted with a mount insistence has
>> NO idea where to turn to determine what to do next. What does the
>> "volume manager" look like? Which icon brings it up?
>
> It doesn't "look like" anything.
> IT brings up the icons that represent the media that's inserted.
> Put a CD in, and a CD icon appears on the desktop.
> Put a memory stick in, and a hard disk icon appears on the desktop.
> Put a memory card in, and a memory card icon appears on the desktop
>
> It may also pop up the file browser or (in the case of a digital camera
> or digicam memory card) a graphics viewer.

Actually depends on the distro, the DE of choice and the configuration
of that DE. And Ray just uses the command line because he's clever
enough apparently.
 
Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Andrew Halliwell <spike1@ponder.sky.com> writes:
>
>> John O. Kopf <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>> My point is that the casual user inflicted with a mount insistence has
>>> NO idea where to turn to determine what to do next. What does the
>>> "volume manager" look like? Which icon brings it up?
>>
>> It doesn't "look like" anything.
>> IT brings up the icons that represent the media that's inserted.
>> Put a CD in, and a CD icon appears on the desktop.
>> Put a memory stick in, and a hard disk icon appears on the desktop.
>> Put a memory card in, and a memory card icon appears on the desktop
>>
>> It may also pop up the file browser or (in the case of a digital camera
>> or digicam memory card) a graphics viewer.
>
> Actually depends on the distro, the DE of choice and the configuration
> of that DE. And Ray just uses the command line because he's clever
> enough apparently.

So did I until ubuntu because, at least with SuSE a few years ago, automount
was just intrusive. And it doesn't take a genius to type mount /media/cdrom
anyway.

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Bob Eyster top posted:

>One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it.

Why should we care what some top poster, a Vista user yet, thinks?
 
On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:53:14 -0700, Damian wrote:

> DanS wrote:
>> "Bob Eyster" <reyster1@comcast.net> wrote in
>> news:#6a5awc4IHA.3396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>
>>> One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it. I
>>> for one do not like open source apps, at present that's all that
>>> seems available. I put Linux in the same boat as OS-2, there was no
>>> interest in it plus no one wrote apps for it.
>>
>> Here's the problem.....for some reason, many people think that just
>> because many Linux flavours are free (some aren't), that the only
>> available s/w is free OSS. This is not the case. Here's a short list
>> of commercial Linux apps, and a few larger players are
>> represented......
>>
>> AccRev Enterprise v4.5.4
>> Active State Komodo IDE v4.0.1
>> AdventNet ManageEngine PasswordManager Pro v4.8
>> AdventNet ManageEngine ServiceDesk Enterprise Plus v7.0
>> AdventNet ManageEngine SNMP Utilities v5.0
>> Anthemion DialogBlocks v4.20
>> Blitz Max v1.26
>> Studio Suite v2008
>> DataRescue IDA Pro Advanced v5.2
>> DialLogic Host Media Processing Software v3.1.SP157
>> Dolphin SMASH v5.9.3
>> Dolphin SoC GDS v6.0.1
>> DTSearch Engine v7.5.7515
>> Fintronic SuperFinSim v9.2.9
>> Fledermus Pro v6.5.1c.261
>> FullRecall v1.3.3
>> Heartsome Translation Suite v6.2-10
>> LimeWire Pro v4.12.11
>> Maple
>> Massive Jet v3.0.0
>> Massive Prime v3.0.3
>> My Eclipse Enterprise Workbench v6.0.1
>> Nero Linux v3.0.2.1_x86_64
>> Objecteering v6.0 SP2 Enterprise Edition
>> PerForce v2007.3
>> PhotoBlender_v3.0_Multilingual_Linux
>> Pro E Wildfire v3.0.M030
>> Project Engine Server and Client Enterprise Edition v2007.12
>> Purebasic v4.10
>> RageWork v2.9
>> Runtime DiskExplorer v1.0
>> SlickEdit 2007
>> TimeBox v5.7.6
>> TrueSec Security Toolkit LiveCD v2.0
>> VariCAD 2007
>> VueScan Pro v8.4.09
>> Writers Cafe v1.26
>> Xilinx ChipScope Pro v9.2i x64
>> Xilinx ChipScope Pro v9.2i x86
>> Xilinx PlanAhead v9.2.7
>>
>> I'd also like to add RealBASIC 2007 to the list also. The 'Lite'
>> version is free. But no the 'Pro' version. Additionally, in the 'Pro'
>> version, if you stick with intrinsic functions and subs, the same
>> source code can be used to compile for Windows, MAC, and Linux, with
>> very little change.
>
>
> With such a tiny installed linux base, makes you wonder how long any of them
> will remain on the market. You can't stay in business long even if all 7
> linux users buy it.

They probably have Windows versions as well.
I know SlickEdit has a Windows version.

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Collector of soaps from around the globe.
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:53:10 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:53:14 -0700, Damian wrote:
>
>> DanS wrote:
>>> "Bob Eyster" <reyster1@comcast.net> wrote in
>>> news:#6a5awc4IHA.3396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>> One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it. I
>>>> for one do not like open source apps, at present that's all that
>>>> seems available. I put Linux in the same boat as OS-2, there was no
>>>> interest in it plus no one wrote apps for it.
>>>
>>> Here's the problem.....for some reason, many people think that just
>>> because many Linux flavours are free (some aren't), that the only
>>> available s/w is free OSS. This is not the case. Here's a short list
>>> of commercial Linux apps, and a few larger players are
>>> represented......
>>>
>>> AccRev Enterprise v4.5.4
>>> Active State Komodo IDE v4.0.1
>>> AdventNet ManageEngine PasswordManager Pro v4.8 AdventNet ManageEngine
>>> ServiceDesk Enterprise Plus v7.0 AdventNet ManageEngine SNMP Utilities
>>> v5.0 Anthemion DialogBlocks v4.20
>>> Blitz Max v1.26
>>> Studio Suite v2008
>>> DataRescue IDA Pro Advanced v5.2
>>> DialLogic Host Media Processing Software v3.1.SP157 Dolphin SMASH
>>> v5.9.3
>>> Dolphin SoC GDS v6.0.1
>>> DTSearch Engine v7.5.7515
>>> Fintronic SuperFinSim v9.2.9
>>> Fledermus Pro v6.5.1c.261
>>> FullRecall v1.3.3
>>> Heartsome Translation Suite v6.2-10
>>> LimeWire Pro v4.12.11
>>> Maple
>>> Massive Jet v3.0.0
>>> Massive Prime v3.0.3
>>> My Eclipse Enterprise Workbench v6.0.1 Nero Linux v3.0.2.1_x86_64
>>> Objecteering v6.0 SP2 Enterprise Edition PerForce v2007.3
>>> PhotoBlender_v3.0_Multilingual_Linux
>>> Pro E Wildfire v3.0.M030
>>> Project Engine Server and Client Enterprise Edition v2007.12 Purebasic
>>> v4.10
>>> RageWork v2.9
>>> Runtime DiskExplorer v1.0
>>> SlickEdit 2007
>>> TimeBox v5.7.6
>>> TrueSec Security Toolkit LiveCD v2.0
>>> VariCAD 2007
>>> VueScan Pro v8.4.09
>>> Writers Cafe v1.26
>>> Xilinx ChipScope Pro v9.2i x64
>>> Xilinx ChipScope Pro v9.2i x86
>>> Xilinx PlanAhead v9.2.7
>>>
>>> I'd also like to add RealBASIC 2007 to the list also. The 'Lite'
>>> version is free. But no the 'Pro' version. Additionally, in the 'Pro'
>>> version, if you stick with intrinsic functions and subs, the same
>>> source code can be used to compile for Windows, MAC, and Linux, with
>>> very little change.
>>
>>
>> With such a tiny installed linux base, makes you wonder how long any of
>> them will remain on the market. You can't stay in business long even if
>> all 7 linux users buy it.
>
> They probably have Windows versions as well. I know SlickEdit has a
> Windows version.

So what if they have a Windows version?


--
Rick
 
"Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1gnirite6jsan$.ua8x9kd3p2jl.dlg@40tude.net:

> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:53:14 -0700, Damian wrote:
>
>> DanS wrote:
>>> "Bob Eyster" <reyster1@comcast.net> wrote in
>>> news:#6a5awc4IHA.3396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>>
>>>> One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it.
>>>> I for one do not like open source apps, at present that's all that
>>>> seems available. I put Linux in the same boat as OS-2, there was no
>>>> interest in it plus no one wrote apps for it.
>>>
>>> Here's the problem.....for some reason, many people think that just
>>> because many Linux flavours are free (some aren't), that the only
>>> available s/w is free OSS. This is not the case. Here's a short list
>>> of commercial Linux apps, and a few larger players are
>>> represented......
>>>
>>> AccRev Enterprise v4.5.4
>>> Active State Komodo IDE v4.0.1
>>> AdventNet ManageEngine PasswordManager Pro v4.8
>>> AdventNet ManageEngine ServiceDesk Enterprise Plus v7.0
>>
>>
>> With such a tiny installed linux base, makes you wonder how long any
>> of them will remain on the market. You can't stay in business long
>> even if all 7 linux users buy it.
>
> They probably have Windows versions as well.
> I know SlickEdit has a Windows version.

Almost all listed have a windows version also. And that's a bad thing in
your eyes ?

It makes the transition easier to Linux if the same apps are available
for Linux also.
 
Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:53:10 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:53:14 -0700, Damian wrote:
>>
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>> "Bob Eyster" <reyster1@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>> news:#6a5awc4IHA.3396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>>>
>>>>> One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it. I
>>>>> for one do not like open source apps, at present that's all that
>>>>> seems available. I put Linux in the same boat as OS-2, there was no
>>>>> interest in it plus no one wrote apps for it.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the problem.....for some reason, many people think that just
>>>> because many Linux flavours are free (some aren't), that the only
>>>> available s/w is free OSS. This is not the case. Here's a short list
>>>> of commercial Linux apps, and a few larger players are
>>>> represented......
>>>>
>>>> AccRev Enterprise v4.5.4
>>>> Active State Komodo IDE v4.0.1
>>>> AdventNet ManageEngine PasswordManager Pro v4.8 AdventNet ManageEngine
>>>> ServiceDesk Enterprise Plus v7.0 AdventNet ManageEngine SNMP Utilities
>>>> v5.0 Anthemion DialogBlocks v4.20
>>>> Blitz Max v1.26
>>>> Studio Suite v2008
>>>> DataRescue IDA Pro Advanced v5.2
>>>> DialLogic Host Media Processing Software v3.1.SP157 Dolphin SMASH
>>>> v5.9.3
>>>> Dolphin SoC GDS v6.0.1
>>>> DTSearch Engine v7.5.7515
>>>> Fintronic SuperFinSim v9.2.9
>>>> Fledermus Pro v6.5.1c.261
>>>> FullRecall v1.3.3
>>>> Heartsome Translation Suite v6.2-10
>>>> LimeWire Pro v4.12.11
>>>> Maple
>>>> Massive Jet v3.0.0
>>>> Massive Prime v3.0.3
>>>> My Eclipse Enterprise Workbench v6.0.1 Nero Linux v3.0.2.1_x86_64
>>>> Objecteering v6.0 SP2 Enterprise Edition PerForce v2007.3
>>>> PhotoBlender_v3.0_Multilingual_Linux
>>>> Pro E Wildfire v3.0.M030
>>>> Project Engine Server and Client Enterprise Edition v2007.12 Purebasic
>>>> v4.10
>>>> RageWork v2.9
>>>> Runtime DiskExplorer v1.0
>>>> SlickEdit 2007
>>>> TimeBox v5.7.6
>>>> TrueSec Security Toolkit LiveCD v2.0
>>>> VariCAD 2007
>>>> VueScan Pro v8.4.09
>>>> Writers Cafe v1.26
>>>> Xilinx ChipScope Pro v9.2i x64
>>>> Xilinx ChipScope Pro v9.2i x86
>>>> Xilinx PlanAhead v9.2.7
>>>>
>>>> I'd also like to add RealBASIC 2007 to the list also. The 'Lite'
>>>> version is free. But no the 'Pro' version. Additionally, in the 'Pro'
>>>> version, if you stick with intrinsic functions and subs, the same
>>>> source code can be used to compile for Windows, MAC, and Linux, with
>>>> very little change.
>>>
>>>
>>> With such a tiny installed linux base, makes you wonder how long any of
>>> them will remain on the market. You can't stay in business long even if
>>> all 7 linux users buy it.
>>
>> They probably have Windows versions as well. I know SlickEdit has a
>> Windows version.
>
> So what if they have a Windows version?

Err, they can stay in business. A bit dim even for you there Rick.

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over the advocacy newsgroups.
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:38:01 +0200, Hadron wrote:

> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:53:10 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:53:14 -0700, Damian wrote:
>>>
>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>> "Bob Eyster" <reyster1@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>>> news:#6a5awc4IHA.3396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it.
>>>>>> I for one do not like open source apps, at present that's all that
>>>>>> seems available. I put Linux in the same boat as OS-2, there was no
>>>>>> interest in it plus no one wrote apps for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the problem.....for some reason, many people think that just
>>>>> because many Linux flavours are free (some aren't), that the only
>>>>> available s/w is free OSS. This is not the case. Here's a short list
>>>>> of commercial Linux apps, and a few larger players are
>>>>> represented......
>>>>>
>>>>> AccRev Enterprise v4.5.4
>>>>> Active State Komodo IDE v4.0.1
>>>>> AdventNet ManageEngine PasswordManager Pro v4.8 AdventNet
>>>>> ManageEngine ServiceDesk Enterprise Plus v7.0 AdventNet ManageEngine
>>>>> SNMP Utilities v5.0 Anthemion DialogBlocks v4.20
>>>>> Blitz Max v1.26
>>>>> Studio Suite v2008
>>>>> DataRescue IDA Pro Advanced v5.2
>>>>> DialLogic Host Media Processing Software v3.1.SP157 Dolphin SMASH
>>>>> v5.9.3
>>>>> Dolphin SoC GDS v6.0.1
>>>>> DTSearch Engine v7.5.7515
>>>>> Fintronic SuperFinSim v9.2.9
>>>>> Fledermus Pro v6.5.1c.261
>>>>> FullRecall v1.3.3
>>>>> Heartsome Translation Suite v6.2-10
>>>>> LimeWire Pro v4.12.11
>>>>> Maple
>>>>> Massive Jet v3.0.0
>>>>> Massive Prime v3.0.3
>>>>> My Eclipse Enterprise Workbench v6.0.1 Nero Linux v3.0.2.1_x86_64
>>>>> Objecteering v6.0 SP2 Enterprise Edition PerForce v2007.3
>>>>> PhotoBlender_v3.0_Multilingual_Linux
>>>>> Pro E Wildfire v3.0.M030
>>>>> Project Engine Server and Client Enterprise Edition v2007.12
>>>>> Purebasic v4.10
>>>>> RageWork v2.9
>>>>> Runtime DiskExplorer v1.0
>>>>> SlickEdit 2007
>>>>> TimeBox v5.7.6
>>>>> TrueSec Security Toolkit LiveCD v2.0
>>>>> VariCAD 2007
>>>>> VueScan Pro v8.4.09
>>>>> Writers Cafe v1.26
>>>>> Xilinx ChipScope Pro v9.2i x64
>>>>> Xilinx ChipScope Pro v9.2i x86
>>>>> Xilinx PlanAhead v9.2.7
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd also like to add RealBASIC 2007 to the list also. The 'Lite'
>>>>> version is free. But no the 'Pro' version. Additionally, in the
>>>>> 'Pro' version, if you stick with intrinsic functions and subs, the
>>>>> same source code can be used to compile for Windows, MAC, and Linux,
>>>>> with very little change.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With such a tiny installed linux base, makes you wonder how long any
>>>> of them will remain on the market. You can't stay in business long
>>>> even if all 7 linux users buy it.
>>>
>>> They probably have Windows versions as well. I know SlickEdit has a
>>> Windows version.
>>
>> So what if they have a Windows version?
>
> Err, they can stay in business. A bit dim even for you there Rick.

So, you are saying they also have a Linux version so they can stay in
business.


--
Rick
 
Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:

> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:38:01 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> Rick <none@nomail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:53:10 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:53:14 -0700, Damian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> DanS wrote:
>>>>>> "Bob Eyster" <reyster1@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>>>> news:#6a5awc4IHA.3396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it.
>>>>>>> I for one do not like open source apps, at present that's all that
>>>>>>> seems available. I put Linux in the same boat as OS-2, there was no
>>>>>>> interest in it plus no one wrote apps for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the problem.....for some reason, many people think that just
>>>>>> because many Linux flavours are free (some aren't), that the only
>>>>>> available s/w is free OSS. This is not the case. Here's a short list
>>>>>> of commercial Linux apps, and a few larger players are
>>>>>> represented......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AccRev Enterprise v4.5.4
>>>>>> Active State Komodo IDE v4.0.1
>>>>>> AdventNet ManageEngine PasswordManager Pro v4.8 AdventNet
>>>>>> ManageEngine ServiceDesk Enterprise Plus v7.0 AdventNet ManageEngine
>>>>>> SNMP Utilities v5.0 Anthemion DialogBlocks v4.20
>>>>>> Blitz Max v1.26
>>>>>> Studio Suite v2008
>>>>>> DataRescue IDA Pro Advanced v5.2
>>>>>> DialLogic Host Media Processing Software v3.1.SP157 Dolphin SMASH
>>>>>> v5.9.3
>>>>>> Dolphin SoC GDS v6.0.1
>>>>>> DTSearch Engine v7.5.7515
>>>>>> Fintronic SuperFinSim v9.2.9
>>>>>> Fledermus Pro v6.5.1c.261
>>>>>> FullRecall v1.3.3
>>>>>> Heartsome Translation Suite v6.2-10
>>>>>> LimeWire Pro v4.12.11
>>>>>> Maple
>>>>>> Massive Jet v3.0.0
>>>>>> Massive Prime v3.0.3
>>>>>> My Eclipse Enterprise Workbench v6.0.1 Nero Linux v3.0.2.1_x86_64
>>>>>> Objecteering v6.0 SP2 Enterprise Edition PerForce v2007.3
>>>>>> PhotoBlender_v3.0_Multilingual_Linux
>>>>>> Pro E Wildfire v3.0.M030
>>>>>> Project Engine Server and Client Enterprise Edition v2007.12
>>>>>> Purebasic v4.10
>>>>>> RageWork v2.9
>>>>>> Runtime DiskExplorer v1.0
>>>>>> SlickEdit 2007
>>>>>> TimeBox v5.7.6
>>>>>> TrueSec Security Toolkit LiveCD v2.0
>>>>>> VariCAD 2007
>>>>>> VueScan Pro v8.4.09
>>>>>> Writers Cafe v1.26
>>>>>> Xilinx ChipScope Pro v9.2i x64
>>>>>> Xilinx ChipScope Pro v9.2i x86
>>>>>> Xilinx PlanAhead v9.2.7
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd also like to add RealBASIC 2007 to the list also. The 'Lite'
>>>>>> version is free. But no the 'Pro' version. Additionally, in the
>>>>>> 'Pro' version, if you stick with intrinsic functions and subs, the
>>>>>> same source code can be used to compile for Windows, MAC, and Linux,
>>>>>> with very little change.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With such a tiny installed linux base, makes you wonder how long any
>>>>> of them will remain on the market. You can't stay in business long
>>>>> even if all 7 linux users buy it.
>>>>
>>>> They probably have Windows versions as well. I know SlickEdit has a
>>>> Windows version.
>>>
>>> So what if they have a Windows version?
>>
>> Err, they can stay in business. A bit dim even for you there Rick.
>
> So, you are saying they also have a Linux version so they can stay in
> business.

Umm, no. Are you ok?
 
caver1 wrote:
> John O. Kopf wrote:
>> SNIP
>>
>> "Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
>> Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar
>> with it."
>>
>> John Kopf
>
>
>
> I'm sorry but that was a stupid statement. How do you get familiar with
> Linux in the first place? Maybe some are born with the knowledge?
> caver1


The majority are either exposed to it in school, or working in a Unix
environment.

I have worked with a number of Unix/Linux systems one of these was QNX
(tailored for multi-tasking) - very FEW people have been exposed to QNX,
and even the Unix experts have difficulty (for example, there are no man
pages, because that would have infringed on the Unix license).

John Kopf
 
John O. Kopf wrote:
> caver1 wrote:
>> John O. Kopf wrote:
>>> SNIP
>>>
>>> "Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar
>>> with Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become
>>> familiar with it."
>>>
>>> John Kopf
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry but that was a stupid statement. How do you get familiar
>> with Linux in the first place? Maybe some are born with the knowledge?
>> caver1
>
>
> The majority are either exposed to it in school, or working in a Unix
> environment.
>
> I have worked with a number of Unix/Linux systems one of these was QNX
> (tailored for multi-tasking) - very FEW people have been exposed to QNX,
> and even the Unix experts have difficulty (for example, there are no man
> pages, because that would have infringed on the Unix license).
>
> John Kopf



When people started using windows very few had been exposed to it prior.
There are many places that you can go to get help with any OS that you want.
caver1
 
On 2008-07-10, John O. Kopf <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> caver1 wrote:
>> John O. Kopf wrote:
>>> SNIP
>>>
>>> "Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
>>> Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar
>>> with it."
>>>
>>> John Kopf
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sorry but that was a stupid statement. How do you get familiar with
>> Linux in the first place? Maybe some are born with the knowledge?
>> caver1
>
>
> The majority are either exposed to it in school, or working in a Unix
> environment.
>
> I have worked with a number of Unix/Linux systems one of these was QNX
> (tailored for multi-tasking) - very FEW people have been exposed to QNX,
> and even the Unix experts have difficulty (for example, there are no man
> pages, because that would have infringed on the Unix license).
>
Unix is not Linux.
 
Gordon wrote:

>> I have worked with a number of Unix/Linux systems one of these was QNX
>> (tailored for multi-tasking) - very FEW people have been exposed to QNX,
>> and even the Unix experts have difficulty (for example, there are no man
>> pages, because that would have infringed on the Unix license).
>>
> Unix is not Linux.
QNX did not start as a unix derivate neither.

--
Ein Optimist ist in der Regel der Zeitgenosse, der am ungenügensten
informiert ist. - John Priestley
 
Laszlo Lebrun wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
>
>>> I have worked with a number of Unix/Linux systems one of these was
>>> QNX (tailored for multi-tasking) - very FEW people have been exposed
>>> to QNX, and even the Unix experts have difficulty (for example, there
>>> are no man pages, because that would have infringed on the Unix
>>> license).
>>>
>> Unix is not Linux.

> QNX did not start as a unix derivate neither.
>

No, but QNX started as a unix look-alike. However, about 1996 ATT
started making waves, and wanted QNX to get a unix license QNX was
completely redone to still provide the same functionality, but all
programs and library functions were renamed to avoid the need to license.

Much the same was done with Linux.

John Kopf
 
For the same reason why any one cares what you think. I if any

--

Bob Eyster
MS Windows Vista Home Premium



"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:ti0c741irumhqtoapl57qqb1f6j5n8drbc@4ax.com...
> Bob Eyster top posted:
>
>>One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it.
>
> Why should we care what some top poster, a Vista user yet, thinks?
>
 
Bob Eyster top posted:

>For the same reason

What is "for the same reason", top poster?

>why any one cares what you think. I if any

You see, I am not a top-poster. Top-posting is like having an "I'm an
idiot" sign hanging-around one's neck.
 
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:33:04 +0000 (UTC), DanS wrote:

> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1gnirite6jsan$.ua8x9kd3p2jl.dlg@40tude.net:
>
>> On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 15:53:14 -0700, Damian wrote:
>>
>>> DanS wrote:
>>>> "Bob Eyster" <reyster1@comcast.net> wrote in
>>>> news:#6a5awc4IHA.3396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>>>>
>>>>> One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it.
>>>>> I for one do not like open source apps, at present that's all that
>>>>> seems available. I put Linux in the same boat as OS-2, there was no
>>>>> interest in it plus no one wrote apps for it.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the problem.....for some reason, many people think that just
>>>> because many Linux flavours are free (some aren't), that the only
>>>> available s/w is free OSS. This is not the case. Here's a short list
>>>> of commercial Linux apps, and a few larger players are
>>>> represented......
>>>>
>>>> AccRev Enterprise v4.5.4
>>>> Active State Komodo IDE v4.0.1
>>>> AdventNet ManageEngine PasswordManager Pro v4.8
>>>> AdventNet ManageEngine ServiceDesk Enterprise Plus v7.0
>>>
>>>
>>> With such a tiny installed linux base, makes you wonder how long any
>>> of them will remain on the market. You can't stay in business long
>>> even if all 7 linux users buy it.
>>
>> They probably have Windows versions as well.
>> I know SlickEdit has a Windows version.
>
> Almost all listed have a windows version also. And that's a bad thing in
> your eyes ?

So they won't go out of business.......

See Loki for example.

The cheap Linux sots refused to pay for software and the company went down
the drain.

> It makes the transition easier to Linux if the same apps are available
> for Linux also.

Assuming people are interested in Linux which they are not.

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On 2008-07-11, Gordon <blubird@penguin.myplace.com> wrote:
> On 2008-07-10, John O. Kopf <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> caver1 wrote:
>>> John O. Kopf wrote:
>>>> SNIP
>>>>
>>>> "Unfortunately, Ubunto/Linux is an OS for people already familiar with
>>>> Ubunto/Linux and there are few places where one can become familiar
>>>> with it."
>>>>
>>>> John Kopf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm sorry but that was a stupid statement. How do you get familiar with
>>> Linux in the first place? Maybe some are born with the knowledge?
>>> caver1
>>
>>
>> The majority are either exposed to it in school, or working in a Unix
>> environment.
>>
>> I have worked with a number of Unix/Linux systems one of these was QNX
>> (tailored for multi-tasking) - very FEW people have been exposed to QNX,
>> and even the Unix experts have difficulty (for example, there are no man
>> pages, because that would have infringed on the Unix license).
>>
> Unix is not Linux.

Yes but it's close enough that you have to keep repeating that
mantra over and over again so people don't get confused.

Unix in general is kind of handy that way...

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On 2008-07-11, John O. Kopf <kopfj@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Laszlo Lebrun wrote:
>> Gordon wrote:
>>
>>>> I have worked with a number of Unix/Linux systems one of these was
>>>> QNX (tailored for multi-tasking) - very FEW people have been exposed
>>>> to QNX, and even the Unix experts have difficulty (for example, there
>>>> are no man pages, because that would have infringed on the Unix
>>>> license).
>>>>
>>> Unix is not Linux.
>
>> QNX did not start as a unix derivate neither.
>>
>
> No, but QNX started as a unix look-alike. However, about 1996 ATT
> started making waves, and wanted QNX to get a unix license QNX was
> completely redone to still provide the same functionality, but all
> programs and library functions were renamed to avoid the need to license.
>
> Much the same was done with Linux.

Got some examples?

This sounds like total nonsense.

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* Bob Eyster peremptorily fired off this memo:

> For the same reason why any one cares what you think. I if any
>
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>
>
> "chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ti0c741irumhqtoapl57qqb1f6j5n8drbc@4ax.com...
> > Bob Eyster top posted:
> >
> >>One reason why it's not at 1%. No one is writing major apps for it.
> >
> > Why should we care what some top poster, a Vista user yet, thinks?

Congratulations, Bob. You've managed to give your answer /before/ the
questions was even posed.

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