Re: Ubuntu erased my whole hard drive

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Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:12:30 -0500, Ignoramus27577 wrote:
>
>> I have been a Linux user for 12 years and do not use Windows at home. So
>> I hope that this statement will make it clear that I am not a Windows
>> zealot.
>>
>> Windows is not worth using for many reasons, but that does not mean that
>> Linux is perfect.
>>
>> That said, it my firm opinion that though Linux install process has made
>> progress, it still SUCKS as far as
>>
>> - Providing 100% clear, understandable instructions and help - Giving
>> user control over partitioning using a simple language (other than
>> /dev/sde1 etc)
>> - controlling settings of grub
>
> Well what do you suggest it should use?
>
> Should my drive listing look like this?
>
> "The big black box in slot number 1 in the big case under my desk?"
> "The big black box in slot number 2 in the big case under my desk?"
> "The big black box in slot number 3 in the big case under my desk?"


That is not adequate, we need a location for "Your desk", and please
supply some more data to enable us to locate the front door, chair,
keyboard, telephone (for calling India) and power outlets, or can we use
Ubuntu without electricity?
 
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:50:54 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:bi1ch3pr73d1ia35lj214cconleh2oraeo@4ax.com...
>
>hi crazy.
>I bet the Linux crowd are glad you aren't on their side.

I see you must have completed Frank's course on how to be seen as a
Usenet moron. Just call everybody crazy and hope nobody notices how
you act.

ROTFLMAO!
 
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:54:21 +0200, Peter Köhlmann
. wrote:

>dennis@home wrote:
>
>>
>> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
>> news:13hbqqpq50pen00@news.supernews.com...
>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:14:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message

>> It may be fine for someone like me that would probably have clicked on
>> expert mode and done it manually anyway but its not much use for newbies.
>>
>
>You and "expert mode" will never match.

Dennis is just another blowhard. This newsgroup is infested with self
proclaimed Windows experts that don't know crap that get off
pretending they do.
 
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Charlie Tame wrote:
> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:25:41 -0400, caver1 wrote:
>>
>>> Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:04:28 -0700, rodolfo.garcia44 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/32522/2001738602340396146_rs.jpg
>>>> It says "Guided - Use entire disk".
>>>>
>>>> Now what particular part about "Use Entire Disk" is beyond your
>>>> comprehension?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There's also an option to use free space. caver1
>>
>> Not on that screenshot there isn't.
>>
>> I think the free space option only appears if there acutally *is* free
>> space that could be used in the first place or if there is a partition
>> that can be safely resized to make free space.
>>
>> And then, the option will also be called such and won't be called "Use
>> entire disk".
>>
>
>
> I think you are right but wasn't sure enough to say that.


I don't know about a disk with no free space.
With free space I get
Use free space
use entire disk
manual partition.
caver1
 
dennis@home wrote:
>
> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
> news:uYEggtLEIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>> If a a person has no idea what a disc is, let alone a partition, then
>> that person
>> has no business installing an OS. And if they do try without the
>> proper backups
>> and research, then they can't blame the OS no matter if it is
>> Linux,Windows or whatever.
>
> You can say that if you like but maybe you should try the real world and
> see who does get blamed for things like that.
>
> Note that I did not say the blame was entirely warranted but that makes
> no difference to the user.
> BTW calling them stupid and thick isn't going to help them think Linux
> is OK.. its just going to make them think all Linux users are like Peter
> and that will be more black marks.
>
> Lets face facts.. if you want Linux to be as successful as windows on
> the desktop you are going to have to deal with thick users. You can't
> get far unless you do.


I guess I do live in a fantasy world. Never have even thought about the
real world.
Where in my posts have you ever found me insulting someone?
The biggest thing wrong in this world is that most people do not want to
take
responsibility for their own actions. That way they don't have to learn
or take care of themselves.
caver1
 
Adam Albright wrote:

>
>
>
> Dennis is just another blowhard. This newsgroup is infested with self
> proclaimed Windows experts that don't know crap that get off
> pretending they do.
>
>
Ahhh...words of wisdom from our great self-proclaimed blowhard
full-of-crap leader himself.
Hey mr full-of-sh*t...tells us all how great you are!
Frank
 
Adam Albright wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:50:54 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>news:bi1ch3pr73d1ia35lj214cconleh2oraeo@4ax.com...
>>
>>hi crazy.
>>I bet the Linux crowd are glad you aren't on their side.
>
>
> I see you must have completed Frank's course on how to be seen as a
> Usenet moron. Just call everybody crazy and hope nobody notices how
> you act.
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>

I bet you could get both of your feet in your mouth at the same time and
still manage to shove your pointy bald head up your fat hairy arse.
Frank
 
"Stephan Rose" <nospam.noway@screwspammers.com> wrote in message
news:Z6WdnZP9nbXIjovanZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@giganews.com...
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 07:27:23 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>
>> <spike1@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:aeqfu4-0re.ln1@ridcully.ntlworld.com...
>>> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.advocacy, dennis@home
>>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> didnst hastily scribble thusly:
>>>>
> 3.0,3.1,3.11,95,98,98se,nt,2000,xp,vista,soaris,fedora,unixware,ubuntu,rmx
>>>> and a few I have forgotten.
>>>> Which have you installed?
>>>
>>> Too many.
>>>
>>>> Do you doubt it?
>>>> Have you never installed windows?
>>>
>>> As I said, Too many times.
>>>
>>>>> Let's see some proof that linux didn't warn him then, shall we?
>>>
>>>
>>> Didn't think so.
>>
>> If you are so sure it does you could show the warning. The fact that I
>> can't show the warning is just evidence that it doesn't exist.
>> You really should try and get the logic correct before demanding
>> evidence.
>
> http://fosswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/
> ubuntufeistyinstallpicture-8.png
>
> Same URL tiny:
> http://tinyurl.com/2qc234

Thanks for that.. I downloaded 7.04 to see what it did but it wouldn't run
under VPC so I still haven't seen the install screens myself.

I think that anyone familiar with computers would understand those warnings.
but then they wouldn't need them anyway.
Its still not particularly clear to a computer illiterate.

Maybe something along the lines of "If you continue you will erase all your
documents and pictures and any games and programs you have on this machine.
This is not recoverable unless you have made copies of all you stuff on
separate media e.g. DVD. If you are unsure please read the documentation or
ask questions at http://.."
 
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:a6cch31qkr560o9ner9e30v1dldaimp71t@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:43:46 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>>Linux does not warn the user in plain English in any distro I have
>>installed.
>
>>It may be fine for someone like me that would probably have clicked on
>>expert mode and done it manually anyway but its not much use for newbies.
>
> There you go again... pretending you are some kind of expert and
> everybody else is a dummy. You can't stop yourself can you. LOL!

Still here crazy.
I would have thought you had made enough of a fool of yourself in the vista
groups without doing it here too.


>>> How many people can properly install Windows?
>>
>>More than Linux IME.
>
> Based on what, your reading of tea leaves? Again another fanboy simply
> mouthing his biased opinion. Damn you guys are so full of yourselves
> it gets nauseating to read any of the crap you post.
>
>>So you have to make software as idiot proof as possible if you expect
>>those
>>people to use it.
>
> Why is it your type constantly pretends you are so smart, but
> everybody else to you is some kind of idiot?

Have you noticed whom it is that thinks they are an expert here?
A hint its you.
However I expect that everyone else is like me and knows you are just crazy.

>>
>>Do you really think the user will get the blame if an OS upgrade kills the
>>users data?
>
> Windows does the same thing when you do a clean install. I bet a lot
> of people aren't aware that's what will happen. What I always find so
> damn funny about you clowns and that's all you are in you never tire
> of ranting and raving about competing products but at the same time
> can never bring yourselves to be even a little critical of Microsoft
> when it does the same things or worse. I keep asking why, you guys
> NEVER answer.
>
>>No it will be the OS and probably rightly so if the warnings are not
>>written
>>in plain English that computer illiterates can understand.
>
> Please tell me you think Windows Vista always uses plain easy to
> follow English in it's help. I need a good laugh. Check out the double
> talk that Vista offers about UAC and file permissions for example.
>>
>>I am of the opinion that software should not be able to do harm even if
>>the
>>user hasn't read the manuals without warning them in language they should
>>understand i.e. not computer speak as most people don't understand it.
>
> There you go again. You simply can't stop suggesting you are so
> computer smart and everybody else couldn't possibly know as much as
> you do. You have any idea what a pompous windbag you always sound
> like?
>

Have you any idea how crazy you are?
 
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:54:21 +0200, Peter Köhlmann
> . wrote:
>
>>dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Rick" <none@nomail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:13hbqqpq50pen00@news.supernews.com...
>>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:14:46 +0100, dennis@home wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>
>>> It may be fine for someone like me that would probably have clicked on
>>> expert mode and done it manually anyway but its not much use for
>>> newbies.
>>>
>>
>>You and "expert mode" will never match.
>
> Dennis is just another blowhard. This newsgroup is infested with self
> proclaimed Windows experts that don't know crap that get off
> pretending they do.
>
>

Adam is just another crazy.

BTW hi Peter, I see you are still trying to insult me even though I can't
see it.
Maybe you and Adam should get together?
 
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"Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:eLvkeQNEIHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> On 10/17/2007 7:49 AM On a whim, dennis@home pounded out on the keyboard
>
>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>> news:uYEggtLEIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> If a a person has no idea what a disc is, let alone a partition, then
>>> that person
>>> has no business installing an OS. And if they do try without the proper
>>> backups
>>> and research, then they can't blame the OS no matter if it is
>>> Linux,Windows or whatever.
>>
>> You can say that if you like but maybe you should try the real world and
>> see who does get blamed for things like that.
>>
>> Note that I did not say the blame was entirely warranted but that makes
>> no difference to the user.
>> BTW calling them stupid and thick isn't going to help them think Linux is
>> OK.. its just going to make them think all Linux users are like Peter and
>> that will be more black marks.
>>
>> Lets face facts.. if you want Linux to be as successful as windows on the
>> desktop you are going to have to deal with thick users. You can't get far
>> unless you do.
>
> The FACTS are, almost ALL Windows installations are pre-installed. Those
> who have installed additional OS's learned how to do it properly, some by
> trial and error. If a system came pre-installed with Linux and a person
> tried to install Windows, the same thing could easily happen and then the
> user would be blaming Windows for their loss of data. The FACTS are that
> most people don't travel into the realm of setting up multiple OS's. I'm
> a consultant and I have 5 OS's on my system and I still don't think I
> understand fully all there is to know about it.

The facts are that if Linux is to be big on the desktop someone is going to
have to install it.
That will have to be the user AFAICS.
If you really think Dell or the other small time operators are going to make
serious in-roads into windows sales then you are going to be dissapointed.
Its this "it would be OK if it were pre installed" attitude that stops the
solution IMO, no-one wants to fix it because the problem will go away


>
> Those who haphazardly attempt it without doing the research in advance can
> expect problems. And if they don't know the basic terms used on computers
> and are attempting to install an additional OS on their system (without
> making a backup first), they may not be "idiots", but they're not very
> smart.

Welcome to the world of computing as used by the masses.
It doesn't help when computer shopper put Linux disks on the cover.
 
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:50:54 +0100, "dennis@home"
> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>news:bi1ch3pr73d1ia35lj214cconleh2oraeo@4ax.com...
>>
>>hi crazy.
>>I bet the Linux crowd are glad you aren't on their side.
>
> I see you must have completed Frank's course on how to be seen as a
> Usenet moron. Just call everybody crazy and hope nobody notices how
> you act.
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>

Do you want me to give them a run down of you behavior so that they can
judge for themselves?
OK I will.

Adam is a troll of the worst kind.
He deliberately antagonizes other posters for any reason he can find.
He will pop and accuse them of being experts and pontificating even when the
poster is asking for help.

That OK or do you think more than a summary is needed?
 
"caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
news:OxbTJ1NEIHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>> news:uYEggtLEIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> If a a person has no idea what a disc is, let alone a partition, then
>>> that person
>>> has no business installing an OS. And if they do try without the proper
>>> backups
>>> and research, then they can't blame the OS no matter if it is
>>> Linux,Windows or whatever.
>>
>> You can say that if you like but maybe you should try the real world and
>> see who does get blamed for things like that.
>>
>> Note that I did not say the blame was entirely warranted but that makes
>> no difference to the user.
>> BTW calling them stupid and thick isn't going to help them think Linux is
>> OK.. its just going to make them think all Linux users are like Peter and
>> that will be more black marks.
>>
>> Lets face facts.. if you want Linux to be as successful as windows on the
>> desktop you are going to have to deal with thick users. You can't get far
>> unless you do.
>
>
> I guess I do live in a fantasy world. Never have even thought about the
> real world.

Well if you think the user isn't going to blame the OS then you may? -)

> Where in my posts have you ever found me insulting someone?

Sorry that was a generic thing having had experience of how friendly some
Linux advocates are.
I didn't mean to apply it to you and I should have been more clear in the
way I said it.

> The biggest thing wrong in this world is that most people do not want to
> take
> responsibility for their own actions. That way they don't have to learn or
> take care of themselves.
> caver1
 
dennis@home wrote:

>Maybe something along the lines of "If you continue you will erase all your
>documents and pictures and any games and programs... (snip)

Maybe something alongs the lines of "STFU, dennis@home, you ignorant
twat."
 
dennis@home wrote:

>Have you noticed whom it is that thinks they are an expert here?

What is "here", cretin?

>A hint its you.

Not in cola, where pretty-much everyone can see that you're an idiot
who likes to pretend that he has a clue.

>However I expect that everyone else is like me and knows you are just crazy.

Wrong again.
 
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:58:48 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>dennis@home wrote:
>
>>Have you noticed whom it is that thinks they are an expert here?
>
>What is "here", cretin?
>
>>A hint its you.
>
>Not in cola, where pretty-much everyone can see that you're an idiot
>who likes to pretend that he has a clue.
>
>>However I expect that everyone else is like me and knows you are just crazy.
>
>Wrong again.

Too funny! Dennis calls anyone that kicks his ass crazy. He's just
another pompous wannabe phony. We have more of that type in this
newsgroup on a percentage basis then any newsgroup I can remember
visiting which includes CIWAH which is the equivalent of this one for
HTML Authoring, where they have a very high number of self elected
"expert" types that spend their days pontificating and looking down
their noses on anyone not members of their little club.
 
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:30:32 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:a6cch31qkr560o9ner9e30v1dldaimp71t@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:43:46 +0100, "dennis@home"
>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Linux does not warn the user in plain English in any distro I have
>>>installed.
>>
>>>It may be fine for someone like me that would probably have clicked on
>>>expert mode and done it manually anyway but its not much use for newbies.
>>
>> There you go again... pretending you are some kind of expert and
>> everybody else is a dummy. You can't stop yourself can you. LOL!
>
>Still here crazy.
>I would have thought you had made enough of a fool of yourself in the vista
>groups without doing it here too.

More proof you don't have a clue what you're talking about. I AM
posting to the Microsoft Vista General group you babbling ninny. You
being an idiot cross posted. So without redirecting replies others are
too if they respond to your bile. Need any more help understanding how
Usenet works Mr. Computer expert?

You also seem confused. You begin saying 'Still HERE crazy' then
follow up with saying 'doing it here too' You simply don't know what
you're babbling about do you.

I sure had you pegged as a blowhard didn't I.

ROTFLMAO!
 
dennis@home wrote:

>
> "Terry R." <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:eLvkeQNEIHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>
>> On 10/17/2007 7:49 AM On a whim, dennis@home pounded out on the keyboard
>>
>>> "caver1" <caver@inthemud.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uYEggtLEIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>> If a a person has no idea what a disc is, let alone a partition,
>>>> then that person
>>>> has no business installing an OS. And if they do try without the
>>>> proper backups
>>>> and research, then they can't blame the OS no matter if it is
>>>> Linux,Windows or whatever.
>>>
>>>
>>> You can say that if you like but maybe you should try the real world
>>> and see who does get blamed for things like that.
>>>
>>> Note that I did not say the blame was entirely warranted but that
>>> makes no difference to the user.
>>> BTW calling them stupid and thick isn't going to help them think
>>> Linux is OK.. its just going to make them think all Linux users are
>>> like Peter and that will be more black marks.
>>>
>>> Lets face facts.. if you want Linux to be as successful as windows on
>>> the desktop you are going to have to deal with thick users. You can't
>>> get far unless you do.
>>
>>
>> The FACTS are, almost ALL Windows installations are pre-installed.
>> Those who have installed additional OS's learned how to do it
>> properly, some by trial and error. If a system came pre-installed
>> with Linux and a person tried to install Windows, the same thing could
>> easily happen and then the user would be blaming Windows for their
>> loss of data. The FACTS are that most people don't travel into the
>> realm of setting up multiple OS's. I'm a consultant and I have 5 OS's
>> on my system and I still don't think I understand fully all there is
>> to know about it.
>
>
> The facts are that if Linux is to be big on the desktop someone is going
> to have to install it.
> That will have to be the user AFAICS.
> If you really think Dell or the other small time operators are going to
> make serious in-roads into windows sales then you are going to be
> dissapointed.
> Its this "it would be OK if it were pre installed" attitude that stops
> the solution IMO, no-one wants to fix it because the problem will go away
>
>
>>
>> Those who haphazardly attempt it without doing the research in advance
>> can expect problems. And if they don't know the basic terms used on
>> computers and are attempting to install an additional OS on their
>> system (without making a backup first), they may not be "idiots", but
>> they're not very smart.
>
>
> Welcome to the world of computing as used by the masses.
> It doesn't help when computer shopper put Linux disks on the cover.

Humm, AOL did that and look how they have grown!
 
"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:rprch35321uel07hsnhqfkhbh35bpsq4gj@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:58:48 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>dennis@home wrote:
>>
>>>Have you noticed whom it is that thinks they are an expert here?
>>
>>What is "here", cretin?
>>
>>>A hint its you.
>>
>>Not in cola, where pretty-much everyone can see that you're an idiot
>>who likes to pretend that he has a clue.
>>
>>>However I expect that everyone else is like me and knows you are just
>>>crazy.
>>
>>Wrong again.
>
> Too funny! Dennis calls anyone that kicks his ass crazy. He's just
> another pompous wannabe phony. We have more of that type in this
> newsgroup on a percentage basis then any newsgroup I can remember
> visiting which includes CIWAH which is the equivalent of this one for
> HTML Authoring, where they have a very high number of self elected
> "expert" types that spend their days pontificating and looking down
> their noses on anyone not members of their little club.
>

Wrong again.
You are crazy.
chrisv is just a linux zealot who can't win an argument by logic so he has
to resort to insults.
 
On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 20:48:53 +0100, "dennis@home"
<dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:e3dch317en7ndqtb7rms2au4vdi1l0070b@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:50:54 +0100, "dennis@home"
>> <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>>news:bi1ch3pr73d1ia35lj214cconleh2oraeo@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>hi crazy.
>>>I bet the Linux crowd are glad you aren't on their side.
>>
>> I see you must have completed Frank's course on how to be seen as a
>> Usenet moron. Just call everybody crazy and hope nobody notices how
>> you act.
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!
>>
>
>Do you want me to give them a run down of you behavior so that they can
>judge for themselves?
>OK I will.
>
>Adam is a troll of the worst kind.
>He deliberately antagonizes other posters for any reason he can find.
>He will pop and accuse them of being experts and pontificating even when the
>poster is asking for help.
>
>That OK or do you think more than a summary is needed?

You're just pissed-off I exposed you as the phony you obviously are.
Better luck next time.
 
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