Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users????????

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: A foolish statistic

Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed 7.10, MVPs
included. You need to get a move on.

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"Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> Ubuntu is getting new users at the expense of other strains of Linux.
>> Fedora, Red Hat and Suse are losing to it. Do not kid yourself that all
>> new Ubuntu users have dumped or intend to dump MS operating systems.
>>
>
> Yeah, the general public just loves Microsoft. I've been using Windows
> again for two days and I'm considering downloading the ISO for Gutsy
> instead of waiting for the CD because I'm jonesing for my Ubuntu.
>
> --
> Alias
>
> To email me, remove shoes

 

[Frank]

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> caver1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> heather.banger@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 20, 10:55 pm, heather.ban...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux users love to talk about how Micorsoft sabotoges the Linux
>>>>>> movement but they forget one important aspect of Linux, it is
>>>>>> FREE....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes Linux, and all of it's *wonderful* applications, is free every
>>>>>> day
>>>>>> of the week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So why are so few people using Linux?
>>>>>> People are free to choose.
>>>>>> Nobody is holding their feet to the fire.
>>>>>> So why don't they choose Linux?
>>>>>> Why are they willing to pay $200 for Windows and another $200 for
>>>>>> Office instead of using Linux and OpenOffice for free?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Think about what would happen if Sony decided to give away TVs for
>>>>>> free.
>>>>>> How long would RCA be in business?
>>>>>> A week maybe?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet Linux is free all the time and it seems nobody is taking the
>>>>>> bait.
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That, in and of itself says all that needs to be said about Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When it can't be given away for free, it must really suck.
>>>>>> And Linux does.
>>>>>> Suck that is.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <Linux is crap because it can't even be given away,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's why Dell says that there Linux sales are growing faster than
>>>> Windows sales.
>>>> caver1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And the Ubuntu newsgroup is full of newbies.
>>>
>>
>> They have our condolences!
>> Frank
>
>
> Why don't you go rescue them?

They'll return on their own soon enough.

Are you afraid of alt.os.linux.ubuntu?

I don't really understand what that means so let me try and rephrase
your question so that it makes sense to normal people.
Am I stupid enough or desperate enough or dumb enough to waste my time
trolling a linux group...not in my life time.

You
> could use your usual polite manner. I'm sure that would convince a lot
> of them to come running back home to Windows.

Just using linux for a few days will convince 99% of them to come back.
You can bet on that.
Frank

 

[Frank]

Re: A foolish statistic

Alias wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> Ubuntu is getting new users at the expense of other strains of Linux.
>> Fedora, Red Hat and Suse are losing to it. Do not kid yourself that
>> all new Ubuntu users have dumped or intend to dump MS operating systems.
>>
>
> Yeah, the general public just loves Microsoft. I've been using Windows
> again for two days and I'm considering downloading the ISO for Gutsy
> instead of waiting for the CD because I'm jonesing for my Ubuntu.
>

Great idea! While you're at it try dl'ing some brains, some manners,
some backbone and some balls!
Frank

 

[Alias]

Re: A foolish statistic

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> Considering?

Downloading the ISO *instead* of waiting for the CD.

There are a good few here who have already installed 7.10,
> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.
>

I take my time and get there quicker than some of the "can't-waits".

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[Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: A foolish statistic

Take too much longer and you might as well wait for 8.04 CDs..

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"Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message
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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> Considering?
>
> Downloading the ISO *instead* of waiting for the CD.
>
> There are a good few here who have already installed 7.10,
>> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.
>>
>
> I take my time and get there quicker than some of the "can't-waits".
>
> --
> Alias
>
> To email me, remove shoes

 

[Adam Albright]

Re: A foolish statistic

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:29:34 -0700, Frank <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote:

>Alias wrote:
>
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>
>>> Ubuntu is getting new users at the expense of other strains of Linux.
>>> Fedora, Red Hat and Suse are losing to it. Do not kid yourself that
>>> all new Ubuntu users have dumped or intend to dump MS operating systems.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, the general public just loves Microsoft. I've been using Windows
>> again for two days and I'm considering downloading the ISO for Gutsy
>> instead of waiting for the CD because I'm jonesing for my Ubuntu.
>>
>
>Great idea! While you're at it try dl'ing some brains, some manners,
>some backbone and some balls!
>Frank

Frank is a strong believer in leading by example:

1. He doesn't know when to use your from you're, makes constant
spelling and grammatical errors, yet pretends he runs a
marketing/advertising business where a better than average
grasp of good English is mandatory.

2. Frank calls everybody a drunk, liar, troll, worse.

3. Frank's manners: Says STFU, get out of here and don't come back.
Will repeat the same lies hundreds of times, accuses people
of being unethical, dishonest, in jail, criminals, crazy, etc..

4. Frank doesn't have the balls to list the name of his company
he pretends made him very wealthy, another of Frank's claims all
of which seem to be just figments of his imagination since he
always refuses to provide any proof on any of his claims.

In other words Frank is a real piece of work and never criticized by
any of his fellow fanboys. That speaks volumes who can be trusted and
who can't.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is F

I think you are missing a major point.
"most major applications used on Windows which do NOT require
searching the internet"
How is a new Linux user going to find these if they do not search, the
internet or somewhere.
In the example The computer was purchased with Linux and doubtful ALL
the Linux compatible software installed.

It is not a "straw man" as someone else suggested.
The "probably" in the other posters comments sow that unless he also
makes assumptions on what a person wanting Linux already knows.

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"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> Which unfortunately, is a realistic illustration of the complete
> incompetence of most "sales" staff at major retail outlets.
> There are usually equivalent linux versions of most major
> applications used on Windows which do NOT require searching the
> internet for, but are available direct from the distribution
> repositories and can be installed easily through a very use-friendly
> GUI.
> With a modicum of research, hardware like scanners can be purchased
> relatively easily that will work out of the box on Linux.
> Software that has no Linux equivalent (and there is not many these
> days with the exception of games) can, with not very much work, be
> run under WINE.
> I repeat, most of your post is an indictment of the incompetence and
> ignorance of most "sales" staff in major outlets, and not the real
> truth of Linux as it is today.
>
> I have to say that personally I never ask staff anything technical
> in places like PC World, because they just don't know! They are
> SALES people, not computer people.
>

 

[HeyBub]

Re: A foolish statistic

Adam Albright wrote:
>>
>> Great idea! While you're at it try dl'ing some brains, some manners,
>> some backbone and some balls!
>> Frank
>
> Frank is a strong believer in leading by example:
>
> 1. He doesn't know when to use your from you're, makes constant
> spelling and grammatical errors, yet pretends he runs a
> marketing/advertising business where a better than average
> grasp of good English is mandatory.

A good copywriter writes for the intended audience.

>
> 2. Frank calls everybody a drunk, liar, troll, worse.

He's never called ME that.

>
> 3. Frank's manners: Says STFU, get out of here and don't come back.
> Will repeat the same lies hundreds of times, accuses people
> of being unethical, dishonest, in jail, criminals, crazy, etc..

Eventually, even the biggest dullards will get the message - if it's
repeated often enough. Don't you agree?

>
> 4. Frank doesn't have the balls to list the name of his company
> he pretends made him very wealthy, another of Frank's claims all
> of which seem to be just figments of his imagination since he
> always refuses to provide any proof on any of his claims.

No need to do so. This is simply a tactic to change the terms of the debate.
Might as well insist on knowing his mother's maiden name as far as
relevancy.

>
> In other words Frank is a real piece of work and never criticized by
> any of his fellow fanboys. That speaks volumes who can be trusted and
> who can't.

Honor. Loyalty. Brotherhood. Values that count. They are everlasting. I may
not agree with everything Frank says (although you'll never hear me say so),
but he's family. It's us against the barbarians.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is F

"Insulting me rather than addressing the content..."
That fits your other post as well.

"...they probably also know more..."
And maybe they only know a very little.
However you are again free to ASSUME.
Different people will have different knowledge levels and it is
certain some will ask the questions you suggest are fantasies.
They are not fantasy, for some they are real and necessary for those
asking the questions.
The fact many sales people are ignorant of the product is irrelevant
since people will still ask.

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"Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message
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> Insulting me rather than addressing the content again, eh? Why am I
> not surprised?
>
> --
> Alias
>
> To email me, remove shoes

 

[Stephan Rose]

Re: A foolish statistic

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:56:50 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> Take too much longer and you might as well wait for 8.04 CDs..

Hahaha very very true! Gutsy is already yesterday's news...I've already
been running it for 2 months!

Time for 8.04 =)


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[Stephan Rose]

Re: A foolish statistic

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:36:52 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:

> I see that you put "never" in quotes. I get no desktop effects in
> VirtualBox. I think I need to install Ubuntu unvirtualized to see its
> desktop effects.

Yea you do. No virtual machines have any significant 3D Acceleration
support at this point in time so the only way you can get effects such as
Compiz, or in Vista's case Aero, is by actually running it on the real
hardware.

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[Charlie Tame]

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isF

E. Barry Bruyea wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 08:55:37 -0400, "Mike Hall - MVP"
> <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote:
>
>> Buyer goes into major retail outlet to buy a computer. Picks a model running
>> Ubuntu. Wants a printer and scanner too. Will it work? The employee is not
>> sure but probably thinks that it will be ok. Wants some software for the
>> kids and maybe something for self. Will it work? No. Employee says that the
>> internet is the only place to get software. Buyer asks if any existing
>> software from the old computer will work. Employee says 'no, probably not'.
>> Buyer picks Windows computer. Everybody is happy.
>
>
> That doesn't make MS responsible for untrained/stupid sales clerks.
> The same situation is very present in Audio/Video stores, where they
> are hired, told to wear a tie and sent out on the floor. Everywhere
> you go, this is very common. Car salesmen are no different, I went to
> a dealer yesterday to have a look at some '08 models and stood there
> aghast as some idiot told me that 'All Wheel Drive' & 'Four Wheel
> Drive' is exactly the same thing, only they are 'marketed' different.
> These days, you have to do your own research on products and that is
> one very large benefit you get from the WWW.
>
AWD and 4WD are most definitely not the same... if you have one of these...
http://translift.com.au/Liebherr_LTM1160_heavy_lift_crane_hire.html

 

[caver1]

Re: A foolish statistic

caver1 wrote:
> Ricky wrote:
>> Gee. If Dell sold 10 computers with Linux last month, and 20 computers
>> this months, that's a 100% increase in sales - which means absolutely
>> ***NOTHING***!
>>
>> Conversely, if Dell sold 42,000 computers with Vista last month and
>> 50,400 this month, that is a 20% increase.
>> If you were Dell, which would you rather sell?
>>
>>


Look at the figures on the server side. Last year
Linux had a little over 9% of total server
growth. Linux now has a little over 19% of total
server growth.
So that is percentage of total out there not just
Linux sales.
caver1

 

[Charlie Tame]

Re: A foolish statistic

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed 7.10,
> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.
>

Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives
may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about it.

I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it appeared
to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes up with
"File Not Found" on boot.

This of course may be peculiar to the machine in use. Just FYI (oops)

 

[Charlie Tame]

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isF

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
> I think you are missing a major point.
> "most major applications used on Windows which do NOT require searching
> the internet"
> How is a new Linux user going to find these if they do not search, the
> internet or somewhere.

If I may just correct what may be a misconception here the repositories
contain choices as well as system stuff, so, unlike windows update you
can go to the search box in the package installer and search for CAD and
it will list numerous things which mention CAD in their info, this is
actually like Google but with far fewer red herrings.

Not entering a search is also possible, in which case you can click on
categories of software or simply browse a list of ALL.

Note I did not say that all the names make sense

 

[Alias]

Re: A foolish statistic

HeyBub wrote:
> Adam Albright wrote:
>>> Great idea! While you're at it try dl'ing some brains, some manners,
>>> some backbone and some balls!
>>> Frank
>> Frank is a strong believer in leading by example:
>>
>> 1. He doesn't know when to use your from you're, makes constant
>> spelling and grammatical errors, yet pretends he runs a
>> marketing/advertising business where a better than average
>> grasp of good English is mandatory.
>
> A good copywriter writes for the intended audience.
>
>> 2. Frank calls everybody a drunk, liar, troll, worse.
>
> He's never called ME that.
>
>> 3. Frank's manners: Says STFU, get out of here and don't come back.
>> Will repeat the same lies hundreds of times, accuses people
>> of being unethical, dishonest, in jail, criminals, crazy, etc..
>
> Eventually, even the biggest dullards will get the message - if it's
> repeated often enough. Don't you agree?
>
>> 4. Frank doesn't have the balls to list the name of his company
>> he pretends made him very wealthy, another of Frank's claims all
>> of which seem to be just figments of his imagination since he
>> always refuses to provide any proof on any of his claims.
>
> No need to do so. This is simply a tactic to change the terms of the debate.
> Might as well insist on knowing his mother's maiden name as far as
> relevancy.
>
>> In other words Frank is a real piece of work and never criticized by
>> any of his fellow fanboys. That speaks volumes who can be trusted and
>> who can't.
>
> Honor. Loyalty. Brotherhood. Values that count. They are everlasting. I may
> not agree with everything Frank says (although you'll never hear me say so),
> but he's family. It's us against the barbarians.
>
>

If you really believe that MS considers you a part of their "us", you
are phenomenally naive.

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[Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: A foolish statistic

But.. but.. but.. Señor Ubuntu hasn't even gotten off of Frustrating Fawn
yet..

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"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:56:50 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> Take too much longer and you might as well wait for 8.04 CDs..
>
> Hahaha very very true! Gutsy is already yesterday's news...I've already
> been running it for 2 months!
>
> Time for 8.04 =)
>
>
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[Stephan Rose]

Re: A foolish statistic

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed 7.10,
>> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.
>>
>>
> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives
> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about it.

I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.

>
> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it appeared
> to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes up with
> "File Not Found" on boot.

Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from Grub?
It should show an error number on the screen.

If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who knows
what...and that is then the problem.


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[Charlie Tame]

Re: A foolish statistic

Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:36:52 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:
>
>> I see that you put "never" in quotes. I get no desktop effects in
>> VirtualBox. I think I need to install Ubuntu unvirtualized to see its
>> desktop effects.
>
> Yea you do. No virtual machines have any significant 3D Acceleration
> support at this point in time so the only way you can get effects such as
> Compiz, or in Vista's case Aero, is by actually running it on the real
> hardware.
>


No controls are installed for the graphics, one has to add gnome-compiz
controls or whatever... adds a menu item under preferences...

 

[Charlie Tame]

Re: A foolish statistic

Stephan Rose wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed 7.10,
>>> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.
>>>
>>>
>> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives
>> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about it.
>
> I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.
>
>> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it appeared
>> to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes up with
>> "File Not Found" on boot.
>
> Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from Grub?
> It should show an error number on the screen.
>
> If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who knows
> what...and that is then the problem.
>
>


Oh good, now we are posting in both threads

Well yes that could well be it, however booting with nothing except that
IDE drive in the machine shows error 21 from Grub...

Removing that drive and booting from the other drive works fine. With
that drive in the boot says "File not found", not a grub error.

If I install to the SATA drive with the IDE in place it appear to
install correctly but then no matter what I do (Even select boot drive
from BIOS) it is file not found.

Haven't had time to get this exactly figured out