Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users????????

[caver1]

Re: A foolish statistic

Charlie Tame wrote:
> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed 7.10,
>>>> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives
>>> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about it.
>>
>> I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.
>>
>>> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it appeared
>>> to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes up with
>>> "File Not Found" on boot.
>>
>> Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from
>> Grub? It should show an error number on the screen.
>>
>> If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who knows
>> what...and that is then the problem.
>>
>>
>
>
> Oh good, now we are posting in both threads
>
> Well yes that could well be it, however booting with nothing except that
> IDE drive in the machine shows error 21 from Grub...
>
> Removing that drive and booting from the other drive works fine. With
> that drive in the boot says "File not found", not a grub error.
>
> If I install to the SATA drive with the IDE in place it appear to
> install correctly but then no matter what I do (Even select boot drive
> from BIOS) it is file not found.
>
> Haven't had time to get this exactly figured out


Hate to tell you this Charlie but you might get
the answer in an Ubuntu forum but not here.
caver1

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> I can see why you like alt.os groups. I pulled out of helping in the
> alt.os. windows groups. The regulars acted like pigs, and the people
> going for help were insulted as a matter of course. There are a number
> of people trying to bring this group down to the same level. Very sad.
>

You are one of those people who contribute to this.

--
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creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

 

[Charlie Tame]

Re: A foolish statistic

caver1 wrote:
> Charlie Tame wrote:
>> Stephan Rose wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed
>>>>> 7.10,
>>>>> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives
>>>> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about it.
>>>
>>> I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.
>>>
>>>> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it
>>>> appeared
>>>> to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes up with
>>>> "File Not Found" on boot.
>>>
>>> Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from
>>> Grub? It should show an error number on the screen.
>>>
>>> If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who knows
>>> what...and that is then the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Oh good, now we are posting in both threads
>>
>> Well yes that could well be it, however booting with nothing except
>> that IDE drive in the machine shows error 21 from Grub...
>>
>> Removing that drive and booting from the other drive works fine. With
>> that drive in the boot says "File not found", not a grub error.
>>
>> If I install to the SATA drive with the IDE in place it appear to
>> install correctly but then no matter what I do (Even select boot drive
>> from BIOS) it is file not found.
>>
>> Haven't had time to get this exactly figured out
>
>
> Hate to tell you this Charlie but you might get the answer in an Ubuntu
> forum but not here.
> caver1


I wasn't asking for one, just that a number seem to be installing,
trying, considering whatever and I figured my findings so far might
avoid a problem for somebody

 

[caver1]

Re: A foolish statistic

Charlie Tame wrote:
> caver1 wrote:
>> Charlie Tame wrote:
>>> Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed
>>>>>> 7.10,
>>>>>> MVPs included. You need to get a move on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives
>>>>> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.
>>>>
>>>>> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it
>>>>> appeared
>>>>> to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes up with
>>>>> "File Not Found" on boot.
>>>>
>>>> Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from
>>>> Grub? It should show an error number on the screen.
>>>>
>>>> If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who
>>>> knows what...and that is then the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh good, now we are posting in both threads
>>>
>>> Well yes that could well be it, however booting with nothing except
>>> that IDE drive in the machine shows error 21 from Grub...
>>>
>>> Removing that drive and booting from the other drive works fine. With
>>> that drive in the boot says "File not found", not a grub error.
>>>
>>> If I install to the SATA drive with the IDE in place it appear to
>>> install correctly but then no matter what I do (Even select boot
>>> drive from BIOS) it is file not found.
>>>
>>> Haven't had time to get this exactly figured out
>>
>>
>> Hate to tell you this Charlie but you might get the answer in an
>> Ubuntu forum but not here.
>> caver1
>
>
> I wasn't asking for one, just that a number seem to be installing,
> trying, considering whatever and I figured my findings so far might
> avoid a problem for somebody


I have found over the years that no matter the Os
it depends on the computer
how it is going to install. Even if they are the
same the install maybe different and
nobody knows why. And you are right.
caver1

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

I had a feeling that would bring you out of the wings..

Btw, you never did provide proof of your allegations.. just the usual 'I
don't have the time to waste' crap so often seen when people are unable to
back up what they say.. oh well..

--
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http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<none@none.not> wrote in message news:ffgt9g$mjt$1@aioe.org...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> I can see why you like alt.os groups. I pulled out of helping in the
>> alt.os. windows groups. The regulars acted like pigs, and the people
>> going for help were insulted as a matter of course. There are a number of
>> people trying to bring this group down to the same level. Very sad.
>>
>
> You are one of those people who contribute to this.
>
> --
> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
> http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html
>
> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on free
> speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
> creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
> - Maura Corbett

 

[Michael Jennings]

Re: A foolish statistic

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:36:52 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:
>
>> I see that you put "never" in quotes. I get no desktop effects in
>> VirtualBox. I think I need to install Ubuntu unvirtualized to see its
>> desktop effects.
>
> Yea you do. No virtual machines have any significant 3D Acceleration
> support at this point in time so the only way you can get effects such as
> Compiz, or in Vista's case Aero, is by actually running it on the real
> hardware.

When I tried for effects running 7.1 live off the CD, Ubuntu downloaded an
nvidia driver, and said I'd get effects after the reboot it requested. This was
no so, of course. During the virtual install, I was never asked to set a Root
password - just a user password. It won't let me be root - I can't enable
VirtualBox extensions. Since during the real install, Ubuntu Install wouldn't
recognize the Promise RAID, I stopped (unvirtualized) Install before it wrote
anything (I hope). Fedora 7 suits me better than Ubuntu 7.1, I think - none of
these drawbacks. Ubuntu stays virtualized, as does olpc:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Home

 

[Doug W.]

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is F

What in heckla does Linux have to do with this NG? Linux is not
Windows XP. Jeez.
-

"Frank" <fb@spamm.nrz> wrote in message
news:uliW19AFIHA.4228@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> dennis@home wrote:
>
>>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@gmailshoes.com> wrote in message
>> news:fffpui$m8g$1@aioe.org...
>>
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Your technical prowess seems only to extend to bandying
>>>> insults with others of your type. When anybody puts up any
>>>> decent discussion point, you either insult or become
>>>> uncharacteristically quiet. You quite clearly have shown
>>>> yourself to have no grasp of anything, and that includes
>>>> Ubuntu. Still waiting for a bug free 7.10? Wait on..
>>>>
>>>> Much as you bluster on about Ubuntu, it is by no means the
>>>> 'be all and end all' of the Linux scene, and is as all
>>>> other Linux desktops are, a niche market.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Insulting me rather than addressing the content again, eh?
>>> Why am I not surprised?
>>
>>
>> I'm surprised you saw an insult there, it was just a
>> statement of fact IMO.
>> If you thought that was an insult you should avoid using the
>> Internet as it is full of adults who may actually insult you
>> one day.
>
> That is alias's go to responds when he's caught like a deer in
> the headlights.
> He's just a know nothing, lying linux lovin loser.
> Frank

 

[Frank]

Re: A foolish statistic

Alias wrote:

> HeyBub wrote:
>
>> Adam Albright wrote:
>>
>>>> Great idea! While you're at it try dl'ing some brains, some manners,
>>>> some backbone and some balls!
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Frank is a strong believer in leading by example:
>>>
>>> 1. He doesn't know when to use your from you're, makes constant
>>> spelling and grammatical errors, yet pretends he runs a
>>> marketing/advertising business where a better than average
>>> grasp of good English is mandatory.
>>
>>
>> A good copywriter writes for the intended audience.
>>
>>> 2. Frank calls everybody a drunk, liar, troll, worse.
>>
>>
>> He's never called ME that.
>>
>>> 3. Frank's manners: Says STFU, get out of here and don't come back.
>>> Will repeat the same lies hundreds of times, accuses people
>>> of being unethical, dishonest, in jail, criminals, crazy, etc..
>>
>>
>> Eventually, even the biggest dullards will get the message - if it's
>> repeated often enough. Don't you agree?
>>
>>> 4. Frank doesn't have the balls to list the name of his company
>>> he pretends made him very wealthy, another of Frank's claims all
>>> of which seem to be just figments of his imagination since he
>>> always refuses to provide any proof on any of his claims.
>>
>>
>> No need to do so. This is simply a tactic to change the terms of the
>> debate. Might as well insist on knowing his mother's maiden name as
>> far as relevancy.
>>
>>> In other words Frank is a real piece of work and never criticized by
>>> any of his fellow fanboys. That speaks volumes who can be trusted and
>>> who can't.
>>
>>
>> Honor. Loyalty. Brotherhood. Values that count. They are everlasting.
>> I may not agree with everything Frank says (although you'll never hear
>> me say so), but he's family. It's us against the barbarians.
>>
>
> If you really believe that MS considers you a part of their "us", you
> are phenomenally naive.
>

Nah...not even close to your beliefs...or lack thereof.
Frank

 

[Gordon]

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is F

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
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>I think you are missing a major point.
> "most major applications used on Windows which do NOT require searching
> the internet"


Just shows you have not seen Linux installed - you go to Add Programs in the
"Start" menu (it's not actually called that) and there is a HUGE list of ALL
the programs that you can install from the Repositories. And when I say
huge, I mean tens of THOUSANDS.....It is VERY VERY unusual that a newbie
would need anything outside that HUGE list.....

I suggest you get a Live CD of the latest Ubuntu and just run it, purely for
your information of course...

 

[Gordon]

Re: A foolish statistic

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OCnn8S$EIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I have been playing with every version of Ubuntu available for the past
>three years. I use them in a virtual machine.
>
> I would "never" install Ubuntu (or any Linux distribution) directly on a
> computer, nor would I ever purchase a computer that has Linux on it. That
> is, unless someone has a new computer using Linux that they just have to
> get rid of (at a ridiculously cheap price), because they have found that
> what they want to install on it doesn't work.
>
> Then I would buy the computer and wipe it clean, install Windows, and
> resell the computer.

And of course you gave some very cogent REASONS for that didn't you?

PLONKER!

 

[dennis@home]

Re: A foolish statistic

"Michael Jennings" <metarhyme@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uEVjvgFFIHA.4544@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> During the virtual install, I was never asked to set a Root
> password - just a user password. It won't let me be root

Ubuntu doesn't normally let you be root.
It has a similar thing to UAC where if the application needs to run as root
it will just do so after it has prompted for your normal user password.
Its not as secure as other Linux distros but it makes it easier for the
beginer.
(It can be a bit of a drag if you have a lot of things to change so you then
cheat and hack into root and change the files by hand. Just like people
disable UAC.).

> - I can't enable
> VirtualBox extensions.

You are probably using the wrong tool to do the config but don't ask me
which one you should use as I have not tried.


> Since during the real install, Ubuntu Install wouldn't
> recognize the Promise RAID, I stopped (unvirtualized) Install before it
> wrote
> anything (I hope). Fedora 7 suits me better than Ubuntu 7.1, I think -
> none of
> these drawbacks. Ubuntu stays virtualized, as does olpc:
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Home
>

Ubuntu is a bit patchy on the drivers it includes.. it will work OK on many
machines but isn't worth the bother on others as you can install other
versions of Linux with less hassle, probably due to them being on DVD and
including more drivers.

 

[Richard Urban]

Re: A foolish statistic

I don't believe I have to give reasons for a personal conviction.

But if you must know, I do not install Linux in any other than a virtual
machine. So far **MY** feeling is that it is just not ready as a true
desktop replacement - and I am allowed to have made this personal
determination, am I not?

--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)



"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OCnn8S$EIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>I have been playing with every version of Ubuntu available for the past
>>three years. I use them in a virtual machine.
>>
>> I would "never" install Ubuntu (or any Linux distribution) directly on a
>> computer, nor would I ever purchase a computer that has Linux on it. That
>> is, unless someone has a new computer using Linux that they just have to
>> get rid of (at a ridiculously cheap price), because they have found that
>> what they want to install on it doesn't work.
>>
>> Then I would buy the computer and wipe it clean, install Windows, and
>> resell the computer.
>
> And of course you gave some very cogent REASONS for that didn't you?
>
> PLONKER!
>

 

[Gordon]

Re: A foolish statistic

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I don't believe I have to give reasons for a personal conviction.

then don't expect anyone to take your views seriously if you give no
REASON....

And I do NOT take your views seriously at all.

 

[Richard Urban]

Re: A foolish statistic

Wow! Oh GOSH! You have just ruined my day! Boo! Hoo!

--

Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)



"Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23FHG4QKFIHA.1056@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>I don't believe I have to give reasons for a personal conviction.
>
> then don't expect anyone to take your views seriously if you give no
> REASON....
>
> And I do NOT take your views seriously at all.
>

 

[Stephan Rose]

Re: A foolish statistic

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:30:11 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:44:33 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>> Considering? There are a good few here who have already installed
>>>> 7.10, MVPs included. You need to get a move on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well if you decide to try again I think I can "Confirm" that 2 drives
>>> may confuse the installer, which is pretty sad when you think about
>>> it.
>>
>> I have 3 drives and it is completely happy with it.
>>
>>> I have one IDE and 2 SATAs (only one in use at the time) and it
>>> appeared to install on the SATA and did no harm to the IDE but comes
>>> up with "File Not Found" on boot.
>>
>> Does Grub even start up? If so, what's the error code returned from
>> Grub? It should show an error number on the screen.
>>
>> If Grub doesn't start up, then your machine is booting with who knows
>> what...and that is then the problem.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Oh good, now we are posting in both threads
>
> Well yes that could well be it, however booting with nothing except that
> IDE drive in the machine shows error 21 from Grub...
>
> Removing that drive and booting from the other drive works fine. With
> that drive in the boot says "File not found", not a grub error.
>
> If I install to the SATA drive with the IDE in place it appear to
> install correctly but then no matter what I do (Even select boot drive
> from BIOS) it is file not found.
>
> Haven't had time to get this exactly figured out


So it sounds to me that your IDE drive is your drive that the system is
bootingfrom, am I correct? Since you said you installed to the SATA
drive, it appears that your master boot record is on your IDE drive.

And if you then remove the SATA drive and only keep the IDE drive, you
would get error 21. So far so good, everything makes sense.

It sounds to me, that once you have both the IDE and SATA drive in place
though that the bios absolutely wants to boot from the SATA drive no
matter what and completely ignores the master boot sector on the IDE
drive. That's at least the impression I'm getting from this.

--
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[Stephan Rose]

Re: A foolish statistic

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:02:36 -0500, Charlie Tame wrote:

> Stephan Rose wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:36:52 -0500, Michael Jennings wrote:
>>
>>> I see that you put "never" in quotes. I get no desktop effects in
>>> VirtualBox. I think I need to install Ubuntu unvirtualized to see its
>>> desktop effects.
>>
>> Yea you do. No virtual machines have any significant 3D Acceleration
>> support at this point in time so the only way you can get effects such
>> as Compiz, or in Vista's case Aero, is by actually running it on the
>> real hardware.
>>
>>
>
> No controls are installed for the graphics, one has to add gnome-compiz
> controls or whatever... adds a menu item under preferences...

Actually there is some control if you go to the Appearance menu. Under
the Visual Effects tab it has "None", "Normal", "Extra".

If one does want finer control though then yea, you do have to install
the compiz settings manager. They probably should have just included that
by default.

Interestingly enough, when that is installed, the option "Custom" gets
added to Visual Styles which then launches the settings thing.

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[Michael Jennings]

Re: A foolish statistic

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
news:B07373EF-5A75-4175-AD99-76C20E53BF04@microsoft.com...
> "Michael Jennings" <metarhyme@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uEVjvgFFIHA.4544@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> During the virtual install, I was never asked to set a Root password
>
> Ubuntu doesn't normally let you be root.
>
>> - I can't enable VirtualBox extensions.
>> [the real install won't] recognize the Promise RAID,
>> Fedora 7 suits me better than Ubuntu 7.1, I think - none of
>> these drawbacks. Ubuntu stays virtualized, as does olpc:
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Home
>
> Ubuntu is a bit patchy on the drivers it includes.. it will work OK on many
> machines but isn't worth the bother on others as you can install other
> versions of Linux with less hassle, probably due to them being on DVD and
> including more drivers.

Promise software RAID cards are controversial - most distros (including
Ubuntu) won't accept the pseudo RAID at install, and have to be adjusted
later, in case the fix is known to work. Fedora 7 install just takes care of it.

If I insist on keeping Ubuntu virtualized, VirtualBox's extensions should try
to patch the kernel if I demand this as root. If I want desktop effects, I need
to do a real install - as by letting Ubuntu have a nice blank hard drive.

Microsoft is working on Vista's difficulties with copying files under some
circumstances, and hopefully the way UAC works as well. More distantly,
there is Windows 7. Windows XP might run better virtualized in Linux than
it does when it's controlling the computer - some user things for me to do this
winter. That might include horsing around with olpc, which has frames instead
of windows in its fc6-based Sugar GUI, designed for very limited hardware.

 

[The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly]

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX isFREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> I had a feeling that would bring you out of the wings..
>
> Btw, you never did provide proof of your allegations.. just the usual 'I
> don't have the time to waste' crap so often seen when people are unable
> to back up what they say.. oh well..
>

I offered proof in the form of other witnesses. You just refuse to
accept it. It must not fit in with your skewed perception of reality.
It doesn't really matter anyway, your problems, not mine.

--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

But the actual reference is much better.
Your unwillingness to point to the actual post where the actual facts
can be clearly seen is only a limitation of yours and says nothing
about anyone else.

It seems what you claim does not exist.
You probably forgot some detail or confused another poster since you
are unable to produce the source.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina
DiBoy'" <none@none.not> wrote in message news:ffj9i6$h16$1@aioe.org...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> I had a feeling that would bring you out of the wings..
>>
>> Btw, you never did provide proof of your allegations.. just the
>> usual 'I don't have the time to waste' crap so often seen when
>> people are unable to back up what they say.. oh well..
>>
>
> I offered proof in the form of other witnesses. You just refuse to
> accept it. It must not fit in with your skewed perception of
> reality. It doesn't really matter anyway, your problems, not mine.
>
> --
> Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
> http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html
>
> "Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
> free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of
> the creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country.
> Consumer rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
> - Maura Corbett

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Re: Linux is FREE....Where are the users??????????????? LINUX is FREE...Where are it's users???????????????????

Alias wasn't proof.. lol.. he made up the allegation in the first instance..
always ensure that your star witness is reliable before putting him/her on
the stand...

I expected better from you..

--
Mike Hall - MVP
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
Posting Productively.. http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm



"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
<none@none.not> wrote in message news:ffj9i6$h16$1@aioe.org...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> I had a feeling that would bring you out of the wings..
>>
>> Btw, you never did provide proof of your allegations.. just the usual 'I
>> don't have the time to waste' crap so often seen when people are unable
>> to back up what they say.. oh well..
>>
>
> I offered proof in the form of other witnesses. You just refuse to accept
> it. It must not fit in with your skewed perception of reality. It doesn't
> really matter anyway, your problems, not mine.
>
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>
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> rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
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