Linux Replacements for Your Favorite Windows Apps

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:eXLMj.22640$vB6.4110@fe57.usenetserver.com...
>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fu015f$vm$1@aioe.org...
>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:26:04 +0200, Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you know that Open Office will not be free for much longer?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Probably not, eh..
>>>>>>> From Open Office's web site:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "and it's free
>>>>>>> Best of all, OpenOffice.org 2 can be downloaded and used entirely
>>>>>>> free of any licence fees. OpenOffice.org 2 is released under the
>>>>>>> LGPL licence. This means you may use it for any purpose - domestic,
>>>>>>> commercial, educational, public administration. You may install it
>>>>>>> on as many computers as you like. You may make copies and give them
>>>>>>> away to family, friends, students, employees - anyone you like."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> However Alias, the GLP and LGPL do not prevent someone for charging
>>>>>> for a product. Hence why the whole play on the word "free" is so
>>>>>> confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something that's L/GPL licensed does not mean it doesn't cost money.
>>>>>> It only means that you get full access to the source code and then
>>>>>> can do with it whatever you like. It does not mean that you don't
>>>>>> have to pay to get to it. Also, nothing is preventing dual licensing
>>>>>> on open office.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One prime example is cross platform library I use, Qt. It is
>>>>>> probably best known as the library used to develop KDE applications
>>>>>> and is GPL licensed. However, it is also released under a commercial
>>>>>> license for which I pay about 2,000 usd a year as that's the license
>>>>>> I need to use it for any commercial non-open source development with
>>>>>> it. Also contains a few additional features not present in the open
>>>>>> source version.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, unless I see an official statement about open office
>>>>>> starting to cost money from a reputable source I'm not going to
>>>>>> believe it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It says it's free and can be copied, shared, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Of course it's free. It isn't worth anything. Takes the user
>>>> experience back about 10 years. Who would want to pay for that?
>>>
>>> A lot of people that can't stand the bloody ribbon in MSO07.
>>>
>>> --

>>
>> I don't like the ribbon is MS07 very much. I would rather use Office
>> 2003.

>
> So you'd rather use an Office suite that was .5 of a decade old.
> Interesting!
>


I would rather use Office 2003 than OpenOffice anything. I use Office 2007
mostly. Both Office 2003 & 2007 have the macro capabilites which I use
sometimes. In OpenOffice, it's not up to par or non-existant.


> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
 
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:ftvh8m$mf1$8@aioe.org...
>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,143396/article.html
>>>
>>> Enjoy.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>
>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/

>>
>>
>> Did you read through that? Did you notice phrases like 'nearly matches',
>> 'harder to learn', 'not quite as slick', and 'requires some sleight of
>> hand'?
>>
>> Probably not, eh..

>
> What 2 software packages from different developers work exactly the same
> even in Windows only apps? None.
>
>>
>> Did you know that Open Office will not be free for much longer?
>>
>> Probably not, eh..

>
> Says who, Mike? I like to see some documentation from openoffice.org on
> that.
>
>> Do you go into Mac forums and bludgeon the people there with info on
>> open source programs you don't or never have used?
>>
>> Probably not, eh..

>
> I know that Alias owns a copy of Vista, but I didn't know he owns a copy
> of OSX.
>
> Alias posted a link to an article. Is that bludgeoning?
>
> "Probably not, eh.."
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>



Kurt

Re. Open Office, the site was down for a while for rework, and I could have
sworn that there was a mention of charging in the near future. I was a
little disappointed because I have always suggested Open Office for people
who have lost MS Office or can't afford it.

I retract the part about OO being charged for as there is absolutely no
mention on the present web site.

Re the other points I made, moving a computer user from one platform to
another should be done with care. Despite being 'free', Linux and the apps
available do not do all that Windows apps will, and one can't say that the
open source apps will be perfectly adequate UNLESS one is aware of the full
needs of the user.

Alias NEVER takes this into account, basing everything on what he personally
does/likes..

I don't have a problem with Linux and Co, and I don't slag it all off as
being garbage, but I know and accept that a Windows user will lose some
features..
--
Mike Hall - MVP
How to construct a good post..
http://dts-l.com/goodpost.htm
How to use the Microsoft Product Support Newsgroups..
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?pr=newswhelp&style=toc
Mike's Window - My Blog..
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx
 
Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:ffMMj.22645$vB6.4256@fe57.usenetserver.com...
>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:eXLMj.22640$vB6.4110@fe57.usenetserver.com...
>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fu015f$vm$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:26:04 +0200, Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you know that Open Office will not be free for much longer?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Probably not, eh..
>>>>>>>> From Open Office's web site:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "and it's free
>>>>>>>> Best of all, OpenOffice.org 2 can be downloaded and used entirely
>>>>>>>> free of any licence fees. OpenOffice.org 2 is released under the
>>>>>>>> LGPL licence. This means you may use it for any purpose -
>>>>>>>> domestic, commercial, educational, public administration. You may
>>>>>>>> install it on as many computers as you like. You may make copies
>>>>>>>> and give them away to family, friends, students, employees -
>>>>>>>> anyone you like."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However Alias, the GLP and LGPL do not prevent someone for
>>>>>>> charging for a product. Hence why the whole play on the word
>>>>>>> "free" is so confusing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something that's L/GPL licensed does not mean it doesn't cost
>>>>>>> money. It only means that you get full access to the source code
>>>>>>> and then can do with it whatever you like. It does not mean that
>>>>>>> you don't have to pay to get to it. Also, nothing is preventing
>>>>>>> dual licensing on open office.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One prime example is cross platform library I use, Qt. It is
>>>>>>> probably best known as the library used to develop KDE
>>>>>>> applications and is GPL licensed. However, it is also released
>>>>>>> under a commercial license for which I pay about 2,000 usd a year
>>>>>>> as that's the license I need to use it for any commercial non-open
>>>>>>> source development with it. Also contains a few additional
>>>>>>> features not present in the open source version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, unless I see an official statement about open office
>>>>>>> starting to cost money from a reputable source I'm not going to
>>>>>>> believe it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It says it's free and can be copied, shared, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course it's free. It isn't worth anything. Takes the user
>>>>> experience back about 10 years. Who would want to pay for that?
>>>>
>>>> A lot of people that can't stand the bloody ribbon in MSO07.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>> I don't like the ribbon is MS07 very much. I would rather use Office
>>> 2003.

>>
>> So you'd rather use an Office suite that was .5 of a decade old.
>> Interesting!
>>
>>

> I would rather use Office 2003 than OpenOffice anything. I use Office
> 2007 mostly. Both Office 2003 & 2007 have the macro capabilites which I
> use sometimes. In OpenOffice, it's not up to par or non-existant.


Like what exactly?

--
Peace!
Kurt
Former Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:ffMMj.22645$vB6.4256@fe57.usenetserver.com...
>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>>
>>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
>>>> message news:eXLMj.22640$vB6.4110@fe57.usenetserver.com...
>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:fu015f$vm$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:26:04 +0200, Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did you know that Open Office will not be free for much longer?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Probably not, eh..
>>>>>>>>> From Open Office's web site:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "and it's free
>>>>>>>>> Best of all, OpenOffice.org 2 can be downloaded and used entirely
>>>>>>>>> free of any licence fees. OpenOffice.org 2 is released under the
>>>>>>>>> LGPL licence. This means you may use it for any purpose -
>>>>>>>>> domestic, commercial, educational, public administration. You may
>>>>>>>>> install it on as many computers as you like. You may make copies
>>>>>>>>> and give them away to family, friends, students, employees -
>>>>>>>>> anyone you like."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However Alias, the GLP and LGPL do not prevent someone for
>>>>>>>> charging for a product. Hence why the whole play on the word
>>>>>>>> "free" is so confusing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Something that's L/GPL licensed does not mean it doesn't cost
>>>>>>>> money. It only means that you get full access to the source code
>>>>>>>> and then can do with it whatever you like. It does not mean that
>>>>>>>> you don't have to pay to get to it. Also, nothing is preventing
>>>>>>>> dual licensing on open office.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One prime example is cross platform library I use, Qt. It is
>>>>>>>> probably best known as the library used to develop KDE
>>>>>>>> applications and is GPL licensed. However, it is also released
>>>>>>>> under a commercial license for which I pay about 2,000 usd a year
>>>>>>>> as that's the license I need to use it for any commercial non-open
>>>>>>>> source development with it. Also contains a few additional
>>>>>>>> features not present in the open source version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, unless I see an official statement about open office
>>>>>>>> starting to cost money from a reputable source I'm not going to
>>>>>>>> believe it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It says it's free and can be copied, shared, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course it's free. It isn't worth anything. Takes the user
>>>>>> experience back about 10 years. Who would want to pay for that?
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of people that can't stand the bloody ribbon in MSO07.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> I don't like the ribbon is MS07 very much. I would rather use Office
>>>> 2003.
>>>
>>> So you'd rather use an Office suite that was .5 of a decade old.
>>> Interesting!
>>>
>>>

>> I would rather use Office 2003 than OpenOffice anything. I use Office
>> 2007 mostly. Both Office 2003 & 2007 have the macro capabilites which I
>> use sometimes. In OpenOffice, it's not up to par or non-existant.

>
> Like what exactly?
>


Go look at a book on VBA and tell me if OpenOffice supports macros

> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
 
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:52:42 -0700, Bill Yanaire wrote:

> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:gOMMj.22649$vB6.11384@fe57.usenetserver.com...
>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:ffMMj.22645$vB6.4256@fe57.usenetserver.com...
>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
>>>>> message news:eXLMj.22640$vB6.4110@fe57.usenetserver.com...
>>>>>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@removegmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:fu015f$vm$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> Stephan Rose wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:26:04 +0200, Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Did you know that Open Office will not be free for much
>>>>>>>>>>> longer?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Probably not, eh..
>>>>>>>>>> From Open Office's web site:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "and it's free
>>>>>>>>>> Best of all, OpenOffice.org 2 can be downloaded and used
>>>>>>>>>> entirely free of any licence fees. OpenOffice.org 2 is released
>>>>>>>>>> under the LGPL licence. This means you may use it for any
>>>>>>>>>> purpose - domestic, commercial, educational, public
>>>>>>>>>> administration. You may install it on as many computers as you
>>>>>>>>>> like. You may make copies and give them away to family,
>>>>>>>>>> friends, students, employees - anyone you like."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However Alias, the GLP and LGPL do not prevent someone for
>>>>>>>>> charging for a product. Hence why the whole play on the word
>>>>>>>>> "free" is so confusing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Something that's L/GPL licensed does not mean it doesn't cost
>>>>>>>>> money. It only means that you get full access to the source code
>>>>>>>>> and then can do with it whatever you like. It does not mean that
>>>>>>>>> you don't have to pay to get to it. Also, nothing is preventing
>>>>>>>>> dual licensing on open office.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One prime example is cross platform library I use, Qt. It is
>>>>>>>>> probably best known as the library used to develop KDE
>>>>>>>>> applications and is GPL licensed. However, it is also released
>>>>>>>>> under a commercial license for which I pay about 2,000 usd a
>>>>>>>>> year as that's the license I need to use it for any commercial
>>>>>>>>> non-open source development with it. Also contains a few
>>>>>>>>> additional features not present in the open source version.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, unless I see an official statement about open office
>>>>>>>>> starting to cost money from a reputable source I'm not going to
>>>>>>>>> believe it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It says it's free and can be copied, shared, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course it's free. It isn't worth anything. Takes the user
>>>>>>> experience back about 10 years. Who would want to pay for that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A lot of people that can't stand the bloody ribbon in MSO07.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like the ribbon is MS07 very much. I would rather use
>>>>> Office 2003.
>>>>
>>>> So you'd rather use an Office suite that was .5 of a decade old.
>>>> Interesting!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I would rather use Office 2003 than OpenOffice anything. I use Office
>>> 2007 mostly. Both Office 2003 & 2007 have the macro capabilites which
>>> I use sometimes. In OpenOffice, it's not up to par or non-existant.

>>
>> Like what exactly?
>>
>>

> Go look at a book on VBA and tell me if OpenOffice supports macros
>


Well if I go to my Tools menu, it has a "Macros" section.

If I go expand Macros I get the following choices:

Record Macro
Run Macro
Organize Macros (which is further expandable)
Digital Signature
Organize Dialogs

*shrug* looks like Macro support to me. How it compares to MS Office I
can't say, never used Macros in either place.

--
Stephan
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Alias wrote:
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,143396/article.html
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Alias
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/


Here's another good link in that direction:
http://www.kmfms.com/alternatives.html

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DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101
 
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:44:37 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:ELJMj.36341$AC6.5443@fe83.usenetserver.com...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>
>>> "Alias" <iamalias@nukethisgmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ftvh8m$mf1$8@aioe.org...
>>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,143396/article.html
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ubuntu.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you read through that? Did you notice phrases like 'nearly
>>> matches', 'harder to learn', 'not quite as slick', and 'requires some
>>> sleight of hand'?
>>>
>>> Probably not, eh..

>>
>> What 2 software packages from different developers work exactly the
>> same even in Windows only apps? None.
>>
>>
>>> Did you know that Open Office will not be free for much longer?
>>>
>>> Probably not, eh..

>>
>> Says who, Mike? I like to see some documentation from openoffice.org
>> on that.
>>
>>> Do you go into Mac forums and bludgeon the people there with info on
>>> open source programs you don't or never have used?
>>>
>>> Probably not, eh..

>>
>> I know that Alias owns a copy of Vista, but I didn't know he owns a
>> copy of OSX.
>>
>> Alias posted a link to an article. Is that bludgeoning?
>>
>> "Probably not, eh.."
>>
>> --
>> Peace!
>> Kurt
>> Former Self-anointed Moderator
>> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
>> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>>
>>

>
> Kurt
>
> Re. Open Office, the site was down for a while for rework, and I could
> have sworn that there was a mention of charging in the near future. I
> was a little disappointed because I have always suggested Open Office
> for people who have lost MS Office or can't afford it.
>
> I retract the part about OO being charged for as there is absolutely no
> mention on the present web site.
>
> Re the other points I made, moving a computer user from one platform to
> another should be done with care. Despite being 'free', Linux and the
> apps available do not do all that Windows apps will, and one can't say
> that the open source apps will be perfectly adequate UNLESS one is aware
> of the full needs of the user.
>
> Alias NEVER takes this into account, basing everything on what he
> personally does/likes..
>
> I don't have a problem with Linux and Co, and I don't slag it all off as
> being garbage, but I know and accept that a Windows user will lose some
> features..


You are always going to gain / loose something going from one product to
the other. Obviously the other product is different. However a difference
does not necessarily mean a loss.

The benefits I gain from Linux when it comes to my work by far outweigh
the minor inconvenience of dual booting into windows for the occasional
gaming.

And yes, while I may not be able to run Quicken under Linux, gnucash does
*everything* I could want....so even if Quicken has a feature gnucash
doesn't have, it isn't a loss to me as I don't even need it in the first
place.

And you know when I *really* like Linux?

When I walk in the office in the morning and say hi to one of my co-
workers who is sitting pissed off and frustrated in front of his windows
machine waiting for norton to finish it's 2 hour scan of the latest virus
that infected his machine.

Or when I walk into the office and my boss' computer is completely shut
down because XP decided it's no longer genuine and all of a sudden MS
outlook (office version) decides it's no longer going to work.

--
Stephan
1986 Pontiac Fiero GT

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